Pro and Con 1407

Posted 4-26-08

Sundogs

Sundogs typically, but not exclusively, appear when the sun is low, e.g. at sunrise and sunset, and the atmosphere is filled with ice crystal forming cirrus clouds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

A SIGN
Look at the 2nd part of this video taken in Fargo, ND, on Jan. 9, 2008, during a storm and see what looks like Christ on the cross

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f0f_1192735272

Incoming e-mail, Re: Question

I enjoy reading your articles, and this latest one, "The Day to Watch" is great. (posted April 15) All things are happening at once.

Question: The start of Nisan 21 will be ~ 6:00 p.m.* April 26, running till ~ 6:00 pm* Sunday, April 27, in ISRAEL. Wouldn't you think we'd have to synchronize our watches, so to speak, and subtract hours as you move westward? I live on the Pacific coast, and I am 10 hours behind Israel. So, 6:00 p.m. Saturday, April 26 (the beginning of Nisan 21), in Israel, will be 8:00 a.m. Saturday, April 26.

I don't know where or when REIGNdown USA will be. (Sorry, I'm out of touch!) If it's on the east coast, I think Nisan 21 would begin 7 hours before Israel's time, making it 11:00 a.m. when Nisan 21 begins.

*I don't know exactly when they compute the end of a day and the beginning of the next, in Judaiism; is it always 6:00 pm on the clock? Or is it the ACTUAL time (the "twinkling of an eye") when day turns into night, which varies all year long.

What do you think about this? YSIC

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

I'm going by 6 PM since the Jews have been doing that for a long time.

As for when to watch REIGNdown USA prayer meeting, I am in the Pacific Time Zone too. I will have to watch Saturday at 3 PM. I'll be watching channel 217 on Dish Network. For times in other time zones, go to: http://www.reigndownusa.com/

They have some information on what channel to watch too.

"Louisiana Governor Declares 4.26.08 ReignDown USA Day". Agape

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

To: Jean Stepnoski (17 Apr 2008) "Master of the Sabbath: A Reply for Marilyn Agee"

> > Our Master informed us in one of His teachings that He is Master of the Sabbath. Which Sabbath did He mean? For Him there was only one choice of day, it was the day 7 of each week.

I agree, Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath which is Saturday, the 7th day of the week. Mt. 28:1 is very clear. In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week".

However, I think the Resurrection changed the day the apostles and disciples gathered together to Sunday, the first day of the week. In Acts 20:7, Luke said, "And upon the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." In 1Cor. 16:2, Paul said, "Upon the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come."

> > The apostle John is credited by many as the writer of the book of Revelation. It is dated to about the year 95. Was he a member of the seed of Isaac... > > He was a practicing Hebrew. Was the Sabbath day 7 or day 1 for him? It was day 7. The day of the Master or Lord for him had to be only day 7.

John was of the seed of Isaac. He wrote 5 books of the Bible. In them, he called Saturday the Sabbath. If Saturday had been meant, and it was up to him, I think he would have automatically said the Sabbath.

However, the Lord Jesus Christ was the director and produced the script of this miracle play, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ." He cast John as narrator, actor and scribe. When Jesus gave his monologue to the seven churches, it was as if he dictated what John wrote. At other times, he showed John what was happening and what John wrote about it was God-breathed. It was exactly what the Lord meant for him to say.

Jesus gave the title and setting in Rev. 1:1-3. He said, "THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must SHORTLY (within 10 days, Rev. 2:10) come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel (i.e., the Angel of the LORD) unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time (the Pre-Trib Rapture) is at hand" (written as if it is 10 days future, and we could be within that 10-day period now).

Jesus announced who he was at the end of John's Introduction of the miracle play (Rev. 1:4-8). In verse 8, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning (LORD of the Old Testament) and the ending (Lord of the New Testament), saith the Lord, which IS (at the time of the Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), the Almighty."

Our movie producers start off with a Preview. Jesus did the same. The Preview of the Rapture starts in 1:9. It takes place in 4:1.

Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation (the 10 days of Rev. 2:10), and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was (i.e., prior to his Rapture) in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal, i.e., he was mortal and became in the Spirit), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (Sunday, day of the Lord's resurrection), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a TRUMPET (it's the First Trump Rapture, and Christ is), Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last", as in the Introduction.

Re: the 10 days. The setting for this dramatic production seems to be ten days before the Pre-Trib Rapture. Rev. 2:10,11 says, "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation TEN DAYS (not 7 years as those left behind face): be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a CROWN of life. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". We will receive crowns at the Rapture (Rev. 4:1), as John did when he was crowned and seated with the other 23 elders in Rev. 4:4. The elders are the 12 apostles and the 12 patriarchs of Israel. They are like our Representatives in the national government. They represent all the saints.

In effect, Jesus stood on the pinnacle of the Rapture and looked both backward and forward to show John what happens. In Rev 1:19, Jesus told John to, "Write the things which thou hast seen (before the Rapture, i.e., the churches), and the things which are (at the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the Rapture of Rev. 4:1).

> > The ending of Nisan 21 for Israel will be at sundown on 4-26.

That is true on the present Hebrew Calendar. However, it will be at 6 PM on the 28th on the Karaite Calendar. They go by the New Crescent Moon and Abib barley as in 30 AD. One or both calendars can be off by a day or two. I looked up the time of the New Moon (dark Moon), added 2 days for the phase, and got Sunday, April 27. This is how it is figured for 5 BC and 30 AD.

Let's not be too dogmatic. Let's watch for the events of Nisan 21, Saturday, and Sunday, and Monday, if necessary, and see what the Lord has planned for those days. There is the chance that God set the time of the REIGNdown USA prayer meeting at the beginning of the day of the Rapture, not at the end of it. If the Rapture took place prior to the start of the ceremony, it wouldn't take place. Since it would be a great witness to the world to see the Rapture take place on TV and computers as well as to see people going up around them, God may intend it to bring in a great harvest of souls. Somehow, a great multitude that no one can number will be caught up in the "last trump" (I Cor. 15:51,52) Pre-Wrath Rapture (Rev. 7:9,14) of the Tribulation saints.

Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Incoming e-mail, Re: Another interesting link

Here is another interesting link.

http://www.bible.ca/7-sunday-pentecost.htm

The Jews have a fixed day for Pentecost (Sivan 6), counting 50 days from Nisan 16 which they consider the Day of Firsfruits because Nisan 16 follows the High Sabbath that the first day of Unleavened Bread (UB) actually is.

The problem is that when the Lord said, in Lev 23:10-11, that they should wave the sheaf before the Lord on the morrow after the Sabbath, it's difficult to know if the Lord was referring only to the regular Sabbath (Saturday) or the High Sabbatt could be considered too.

10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: 11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

Up to this point, Nisan 16 would be OK because Nisan 15 really is a High Sabbath, always.

But if we look at the passage that talks about setting the date of Pentecost, we can see that the Sabbath that the Lord was referring to was the regular Sabbath, Saturday, the seventh day of the week. This is how the Sadducees understood the method of setting the Day of Firsftfruits. The Pharisees, however, interpreted that the Sabbath mentioned in Lev 23:11 could be the first day of UB regardless of it being a Saturday or not.

When we look at the passage that the Lord says how to set the Pentecost date, we see the following in verses 15 and 16:

15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

If the morrow after the sabbath could apply to ANY Sabbath (even High Sabbaths that were not Saturdays), and not only to the seventh day of the week (regular Sabbaths), how could seven sabbaths be completed (seven full weeks plus one day) if the High Sabbaths were to be included in this sum?

That's why I think that the present method of counting the Day of Firstfruits and Pentecost, following the Pharisees' tradition, may be incorrect.

If only the regular Sabbaths (Saturdays) after the first day of Passover are considered, the Biblical Day of Firstfruits and Pentecost would ALWAYS fall on a SUNDAY, the Lord's day. This year, it would be equivalent to Nisan 22, because the first day of UB (Nisan 15) was on a Sunday. The next regular Sabbath after that date is Nisan 21, and the morrow after Nisan 21 is Nisan 22. Next year, 5769, it's going to fall on Nisan 18, which is April 12th, 2009.

Unfortunately, both the Church and the Jews ceased to calculate the Day of Firsfruits (and therefore the Day of Pentecost) according to Bible method (considering only the regular Sabbaths) and we might be watching the wrong dates, especially when we refer to Pentecost as always being Sivan 6, which doesn't always fall on a Sunday in their present tradition.

I found that link very interesting. Agape

My reply

Have you found any references to back up their statement that the Sadducees set the feast days at the Temple in 30 AD instead of the Pharisees?

I have been going by Josephus, a Pharisee. He was talking about the custom at the Temple in the first century when In Ant. III. X. 5, he said, "CONSIDERING THE FESTIVALS; AND HOW EACH DAY OF SUCH FESTIVAL IS TO BE OBSERVED...In the month of...Nisan...On the fourteenth day of the lunar month...the Passover; and so do we celebrate this passover in companies, leaving nothing of what we sacrifice till the day following (i.e., Nisan 15)...on the second day of unleavened bread, which is the SIXTEENTH DAY OF THE MONTH, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day they do not touch them."

This puts Passover on Nisan 14 (which is correct according to Lev. 23:4,5), the first day of Unleavened Bread on Nisan 15 and Firstfruits on Nisan 16, no matter which day of the week it fell on. I think God pre-planned Nisan 16 to fall on Sunday in 30 AD.

> > The problem is that when the Lord said, in Lev 23:10-11, that they should wave the sheaf before the Lord on the morrow after the Sabbath, it's difficult to know if the Lord was referring only to the regular Sabbath (Saturday) or the High Sabbatt could be considered too.

I take it to mean Nisan 16, the day after Nisan 15, an annual Sabbath. Nisan 14, Passover, was the high day. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Firsfruits criteria

Here is a reference about the Sadducess being part of the elite of that time. http://www.chiefrabbi.org/thoughts/emor5766.pdf

One paragraph says:
From this starting point we can begin to speculate what Shavuot might have meant for the Sadducees. The late Louis Finkelstein argued that they were landowners and farmers. In general, they were wealthier than the Pharisees, and more closely attached to the State and its institutions: the Temple and the political elite. They were as near as Judaism came to a governing class.

Regardless of more references about the Sadducees, please allow me to explain once more the conclusion I had after reading Lev 23, that sets Pentecost date.

15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete [my comment: please note that the verse doesn't say seven weeks. It says seven sabbaths].
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

If the word Sabbath of the term "morrow after sabbath" included ANY Sabbath (weekly AND festive), and not only Saturdays (weekly, regular Sabbaths), seven complete Sabbaths after the Sabbath would never be completed. In verse 16, the Lord, in His precision, explains that the morrow after the "seven Sabbaths" are equivalent to "50 days". He didn't want us to be in doubt about which Sabbaths should be considered in this specific calculation. So the Sabbaths to be counted in this case must only include weekly Sabbaths.

We must remember that if the High Sabbaths were to be considered (and not only the weekly Sabbaths), then the period between the morrow after the Sabbath after Passover WOULD NEVER reach 50 days (or 7 complete weeks plus 1 day), because the week of Unleavened Bread itself has 3 Sabbaths: the first day (a High Sabbath), the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) and the last day (a High Sabbath). Therefore, that counting would always be finished in a period of LESS than 50 days.

I think that's why God included the term "fifty days" in verse16, to make clear that the only way that this calculation is correct is when only the regular weekly Sabbaths (Saturdays) are counted. The non-Saturday Sabbaths must be disconsidered for the calculation of Pentecost, otherwise we have LESS than 50 days. God wasn't dubious.

By ANALOGY, for the counting of the Day of Firsfruits (verses 10-11), which Sabbath should we take into account? I think we should use the SAME CRITERIA of verses 15-16 (only take into account the morrow after the weekly Sabbath (Saturday), which is always a Sunday). Both passages are in the same chapter of Leviticus and there isn't any reason for us to think that there should be a criteria for verses 15-16 and another criteria for verses 10-11. I think in both cases the rule is the same: only the weekly Sabbaths are to be considered for the calculation of these specific dates.

Here is another reference I found:

"At the time of Christ the Sadducees celebrated the Waving always on the Sunday after Passover, whereas the Pharisees did so on the day following Passover. Modern Hebrews follow the Pharisees, but the Perpetual Hebrew Calendar employs the Sadducees tradition. See Pratt, John P., "Exodus" op. cit., Section 3.1.4.

The point is: if there is to happen a double fulfillment of the Day of Firsfruits (for example, the ressurection of the dead) and for the dates calculated from that day (Ascension and Pentecost), then it is very important that we use the Biblical method for that day. I think it's not a matter of choosing the Pharisees criteria or the Sadducess criteria, but God's criteria. We should be conscious about the correct dates, so that we can watch and be AWARE of the possible days that important prophetic events can take place.
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Jonas sign may be correctly fulfilled because of the Jewish inclusive reckoning (they consider "today" as day 1, "tomorrow"as day 2. Nowadays we consider today as day zero when counting days).

Sorry for taking so much of your time.

Anyway I still think that Firtfruits and Pentecost are moveable feasts.

http://www.levitt.com/essays/pentecost.html (very good link)

"The normal Saturday meaning of the Sabbath in this passage was the view of the Sadducees. They were the priestly party and had control of the Temple, where the feasts were focused until the Temple was destroyed. The view of the Sadducees appears to be supported by the Septuagint, which was the translation from Hebrew to Greek by Jewish scholars in Egypt around 180 BC."
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"All the other Mosaic feasts are given specific dates, such as Nisan 14, Tishri 1, Tishri 10, and so forth. If the Lord intended for First Fruits and Pentecost always to fall on Nisan 16 and Sivan 6, why did He not so specify as He did with the other feasts? Why go through the elaborate process of counting the seven Sabbaths, unless it was clear that these two feasts were moveable, and would fall on different days of the month each year? It seems that the emphasis in these two feasts is that they would always fall on the same day of the week (Sunday) every year, rather than on the same numerical day of the month."
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"We have no proof, but suggest that the change came some time after the resurrection of Christ and before the destruction of the Temple. Think of the impact the Jewish believers must have had as they described the Lordís resurrection on the Sunday of Passover week at First Fruits and the coming of the Spirit seven Sundays later on Pentecost. The leaders must have been hard pressed to explain away the relevance of the feasts and their fulfillment in the Messiah. The solution they came up with was to obfuscate the calendar in such a way as to make the connection less clear between the feasts and their fulfillment in Christ and the Holy Spirit. The strategy apparently worked because most Jewish people today see no connection whatever between the Feasts and the Messiah.

My reply

http://www.chiefrabbi.org/thoughts/emor5766.pdf "as long as the New Moon was determined on the basis of eyewitness testimony (i.e. until the fourth century of the Common Era), Shavuot could have no fixed date. In the Jewish calendar a month can be long (30 days) or short (29). If Nisan and Iyar were both long months, Shavuot would fall on 5 Sivan. If both were short, it would fall on 7 Sivan. And if one were long and the other short, it would fall on 6 Sivan. Unlike other festivals, Shavuot is (or was) a moveable feast."

Thanks for the URLs. I was glad to find out when they stopped going by the visual sighting of the crescent Moon. However, they are wrong in thinking Nisan and Iyar could have 29 or 30 days. When searching for the birthday of Jesus, I studied the Hebrew Calendar enough to be able to construct it for a few BC years. I learned that Nisan always has 30 days, Iyar 29. The time from Passover to Trumpets is constant.

http://www.levitt.com/essays/pentecost.html
"We believe that Thursday was Nisan 14, the day the Passover lambs were sacrificed. Jesus ate the traditional Passover and died on Friday, Nisan 15, and arose from the dead on Sunday, Nisan 17. This would mean Pentecost fell that year on Sivan 7."

I believe that Thursday was Nisan 13, Friday was Nisan 14, Saturday was Nisan 15, and Sunday was Nisan 16. Friday was the high day, an annual sabbath, Passover. Saturday was the weekly Sabbath, also the Feast of Unleavened Bread, an annual Sabbath, and Sunday was Firstfruits, an annual Sabbath..

> > If the word Sabbath of the term "morrow after sabbath" included ANY Sabbath (weekly AND festive), and not only Saturdays (weekly, regular Sabbaths), seven complete Sabbaths after the Sabbath would never be completed. In verse 16, the Lord, in His precision, explains that the morrow after the "seven Sabbaths" are equivalent to "50 days". He didn't want us to be in doubt about which Sabbaths should be considered in this specific calculation. So the Sabbaths to be counted in this case must only include weekly Sabbaths.

We can count a week from any day of the week. Wednesday to Wednesday is one week. I studied about the date of Pentecost one morning and decided that Pentecost was on Sivan 7. That afternoon was when I drove into the end of the inner bow of a huge double rainbow. I'm so glad Ed was with me. That was a never-to-be-forgotten experience, like a fairyland. It was raining lightly. The streaks of rain looked like 4" streaks of assorted colors. I thought that might mean that Sivan 7 was correct. However, the 2300 days between Pentecost and Trumpets six+ years later have to be figured using Sivan 6, even using Jewish inclusive reckoning. That seems right, for it is a block of time. That's when they used inclusive reckoning.

Only blocks of time were figured inclusively. Running time was counted as if the Monday after Firstfruits Sunday was day number one. As someone told me when I was trying to figure this out, if they used inclusive reckoning for running time, each week would be shorter by one day. That wouldn't work.

When talking about the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, "Lev 23:32 says, "It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath." All feasts are Sabbaths, no matter what day of the month they fall on.

"Figuring Pentecost. Since Firstfruits was a Sabbath, I count the 50 days from that Sunday Sabbath. That puts Pentecost on Monday." Agape

Her reply, Re: 2300 days from Sunday Pentecost

Knowing that there must be 2300 from the beginning of tribulation (probably Pentecost) until the end of the shortened tribulation, I tried to calculate the number of dates using the Sunday Pentecost, i.e., the method used in the Scriptures (Lev 23), considering Sabbaths only as weekly Sabbaths (as I have explained in detail in some previous messages).

I also considered that the counting of 2300 days in inclusive reckoning is equivalent to 2299 days in our counting (when "today" is counted as day "zero" and not day "one").

I came to the following conclusions (all the Sunday Pentecost below are the Sadducee method, that is, the morrow after seven Saturdays after the Sunday following Nisan 15, first Passover Day).:

Subtracting 2299 days from Tishri 2, 5776 (if the crescent moon is only sighted on the second day of Trumpets, no one knows the day and hour), (Sept 15, 2015), we have May 30, 2009. Pentecost Sunday is May 31, 2009. This seems to be an acceptable difference (1 day), because the month of Nisan in 2015 (using the abib barley method of the Karaites) could begin with a one day difference. 5776 is a Leap Year, a very strong candidate, and also in June 5768 (the year preceding the start of the tribulation) 41 years would be completed since Israel grew leaves and 48.33 years would fall exactly on Trumpets day in 5776.

Subtracting 2299 days from Tishri 1, 5777, (Oct 3, 2016), we have June 18, 2010. Pentecost Sunday is May 23, 2010, too many days away. 5777 isn't a Leap Year. (--> Discarded)

Subtracting 2299 days from Tishri 1, 5778, (Sept 21, 2017), we have June 6, 2011. Pentecost Sunday is June 12, 2011, too many days away. 5778 isn't a Leap Year. (--> Discarded)

Subtracting 2299 days from Tishri 2, 5779, (Sept. 11, 2018), we have May 25, 2012. Pentecost Sunday is May 27, 2012. 5779 is a Leap Year. (A small difference that could be compensated by Nisan starting with a two day difference [Biblical method of wathing the abib barley]. Possible, but beginning of tribulation too distant from 41 incomplete years from1967).

Subtracting 2299 days from Tishri 2, 5782 (Sept 8, 2021), we have May 24, 2015. Pentecost Sunday falls on the same day, May 24, 2015. 5782 is a Leap Year, a possible candidate, but beginning of tribulation would be too distant from 41 incomplete years from1967.

It's interesting to note that when the Biblical method of counting 7 Saturdays (weekly Sabbaths, not High Sabbaths) from the Sunday that follows the first day of Passover (Nisan 15), then the number of days from this Sunday Pentecost thru the first day of Trumpets 6 years later does not always equal 2300 days, like it happens when Sivan 6 is used as a fixed day for Pentecost (Pharisee's method, now used in the modern Hebrew calendar).

Conclusion: using the Sunday Pentecost method, we continue to have Tishri 5776 (first of second day) as the strongest candidate for being the end the of Shortened Tribulation (Day of Trumpets, 2015), and therefore Pentecost 2009 (May 31, Sunday) as the beginning of that period. All other options become EVEN LESS PROBABLE than they already were. Agape

My reply

> > 48.33 years would fall exactly on Trumpets day in 5776.

That agrees with my date, Tishri 1, 5776. I have it as Sept 14, 2015, Gregorian. 5776 is a Leap Year. Thus there are 7 months between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1, the day of the Second Advent (Eze. 39:12,13).

> > when the Biblical method of counting 7 Saturdays (weekly Sabbaths, not High Sabbaths) from the Sunday that follows the first day of Passover (Nisan 15), then the number of days from this Sunday Pentecost thru the first day of Trumpets 6 years later does not always equal 2300 days, like it happens when Sivan 6 is used as a fixed day for Pentecost (Pharisee's method, now used in the modern Hebrew calendar).

Using the present Hebrew Calendar, the total days in a year are not constant. Even our Gregorian calendar has leap years. Using the Hebrew Calendar, the days from Passover to Trumpets are stable, but not the rest of the year. The total number of days in a year are not always the same. There are 353, 354, 355, 383, 384, and 385-day years.

> > if the crescent moon is only sighted on the second day of Trumpets

When the crescent moon was sighted within about 45 minutes after sunset, that new day that had just started was declared Tishri 1, the first day of every year. I don't think the day of the sighting was ever declared Tishri 2. However, the calender now has some delays added purely for convenience sake.

In the past, after figuring the calendar year so many years, they learned how to figure it mathematically to compare with sighting the Crescent Moon. They knew just when the Crescent Moon should appear. In case of extensive bad weather, they could go by their math. They just kept that secret for a long time.

> > no one knows the day and hour

I keep wondering about that statement every time I see it. I wouldn't be surprised if someone made it up in modern times. I think the priests used their math more than anyone else knew. To figure the present year's calendar, they figured when the FOLLOWING NYD (Tishri 1) should be. They were good astronomers too.

Then, they fit in whatever fitted, the 353, 354, or 345-day regular years, or the 383, 384, or 385-day leap years. They checked on their figures by observing the Crescent Moon. Just keeping a record over a few centuries would give them a good idea of the pattern of years. They would soon recognize the 19-year cycle. Then, what had been would probably be in the future. That way, they knew what to expect.

Once they figured out when the NYD of the following year would be, they just counted back a certain number of days and said that was Passover. That set Nisan 1.

> > Pentecost Sunday is May 31, 2009

I have a feeling that it will be May 29, 2009. It was May 29 in 30 AD, and things happened to Israel as examples. 1 Cor. 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples (tupos, a die as struck, a model, a pattern): and they are written for our admonition (nouthesia, calling attention to), upon whom the ends of the world (aion, age) are come."

Personally, I have another reason for sticking to May 29. We had two children. Our son was born on April 6, the date of the Crucifixion in 30 AD. Our daughter was born on May 29, the date of Pentecost in 30 AD. I tried so hard to have our son born a week earlier, on Ed's birthday, that I dug post holes and put up a fence around our front yard. It didn't work. He was to be born on April 6, no matter what I wanted. We had planned to name him Brian, but when I looked at this almost 10 lb baby, he didn't look like a Brian. I looked at Ed and said, "How about David." He agreed, just like that. We hadn't once thought of David during the whole 9 months. It just flew into my brain at that moment. Since Christ is the son of David, and our David was born on April 6, date of the Crucifixion, the name turned out to be well-chosen. It was years later that I found out the date of the Crucifixion. I couldn't have any more children, either. I lost the next one right away and was told that because I had RH negative blood, I shouldn't have any more.

> > 48.33 years would fall exactly on Trumpets day in 5776.

I think that will be the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath, Sept 14, 2015.

> > Conclusion: using the Sunday Pentecost method, we continue to have Tishri 5776 (first of second day) as the strongest candidate for being the end the of Shortened Tribulation (Day of Trumpets, 2015),

I agree. Though our ways of figuring that out differ, our conclusion is the same. One thing that helped me was finding out that there are 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between that Tishri 1 (day of Gog's army attack on Israel, Eze. 38:18-20) and the following Nisan 1, the date of the Second Advent. That final year had to be a leap year. That also eliminates several years from consideration. Once you have one date, the rest falls into place easily. Agape

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