Pro and Con 1412

Posted 5-19-08


Astronomy Picture of the Day: Retrograde loop of Mars

Information about Blood Moons from Koenig's website

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2008/randy58.htm

'Blood-red' moons occurred on back-to-back years on the first day of both Passover and Sukkot seven times in 2000 years, with the eighth coming in 2014 and 2015....Three of these lunar occurrences were connected to 1492 (the Spanish Inquisition), 1948 (statehood for Israel and the War of Independence), and 1967 (the Six-Day War) ó some of the most significant times in Jewish history...The significance of February 21, 2008's 'blood-red' moon .... The Temple Mount's 'blood-red' moon connection....The total solar eclipses of 2008, 2009 and 2010 fall on the 1st of Av....The Month of Av: Disaster and consolation....21 days of mourning: 17 Tammuz to 9th of Av....The 9th of Avís history....The dates of the 9th of Av from 2008-2015....A chart of the 2014 and 2015 four 'blood-red' moons and two solar eclipses.. "

My comments

Sometimes we all rush to print before getting the story straight. I used fourmilab's calendar converter until I found out that it was giving me Hebrew dates that were advanced by one day, because the preset time of day was after 6 PM when the Jewish date changed. Now, I'm using Hebrew Date Converter (http://www.hebcal.com/converter/), and these dates agree with my printed Hebrew Calendar.

I set out to check certain dates mentioned on Koenig's site, then looked up some others to be sure I had them right.

1492 Apr 12 N (Penumbral)
1492 May 12 Nb (Penumbral)
1492 Oct 05 N (Penumbral)

I assumed that those were not Total, but also found this on NASA's site: "Total penumbral eclipses are lunar eclipses in which the entire Moon passes through the penumbra but misses the umbral shadow". None of these can be Blood Moons.

When I checked, the 4 total Blood Moon Lunar Eclipses FOLLOWED 1492 (when Columbus sailed the ocean blue). They were in 1493 and 1494, but seem significant for the Hebrew dates run NISAN, TISHRI, NISAN, TISHRI. Nisan is the 1st month of the Regnal and Sacred Year. Tishri is the 1st month of the Civil Year.

1493 Apr 02 T (TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE) (NISAN 6, 5253) not a feast day
1493 Sep 25 T (TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE) (TISHRI 5, 5254) not a feast day
1494 Mar 22 T (TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE) (NISAN 6, 5254) not a feast day
1494 Sep 15 T (TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE) (TISHRI 6, 5255) not a feast day

RECHECKING SIGNIFICANT DATES

Israel became a nation May 14, 1948 (Iyar 5, 5708). The following eclipses seem to emphasize it.

1948 Apr 23 P (not a Blood Moon, but look at the date) (NISAN 14, 5708) PASSOVER
1948 Oct 18 N (not a Blood Moon, but look at the date) (TISHRI 15, 5709) TABERNACLES
1949 Apr 13 T- (TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE) (NISAN 14, 5709) PASSOVER
1949 Oct 07 T (TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE) (TISHRI 14, 5710) EVE OF TABERNACLES
1950 Apr 02 T (TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE) (NISAN 15, 5710) FEAST OF UNL BREAD
1950 Sep 26 T (TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE) (TISHRI 15, 5711) TABERNACLES

A run like that seems significant, because it doesn't happen often. Also, on Jan 23, 1950 (Shevat 5, 5710), the KNESSET DECLARED JERUSALEM THE CAPITAL OF ISRAEL.

1967, YEAR OF THE SIX-DAY WAR, has two Blood Moons, and is followed by two more in 1968. These dates not only run NISAN, TISHRI, NISAN, TISHRI, they are on or very near feast days. That's got to be significant.

1967 Apr 24 T (TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE) (NISAN 14, 5727) PASSOVER
1967 Oct 18 T (TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE) (TISHRI 14, 5728) EVE OF TABERNACLES
1968 Apr 13 T (TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE) (NISAN 15, 5728) FEAST OF UNL BREAD
1968 Oct 06 T (TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE) (TISHRI 14, 5729) EVE OF TABERNACLES


THE REST OF THE LUNAR ECLIPSE TETRADS THIS CENTURY

2032 Apr 25 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Iyar 14, 5792) not a feast day
2032 Oct 18 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Cheshvan 13, 5793) not a feast day
2033 Apr 14 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (NISAN 15, 5793) FEAST OF UNL BREAD
2033 Oct 8 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (TISHRI 15, 5794) FEAST OF TABERNACLES

2043 Mar 25 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Veadar, 13, 5803) not a feast day
2043 Sep 19 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Elul 14, 5803) not a feast day
2044 Mar 13 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Adar I, 14, 5804) not a feast day
2044 Sep 7 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Elul 15, 5804) not a feast day

2050 May 06 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Iyar 14, 5810) not a feast day
2050 Oct 30 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Cheshvan 14, 5811) not a feast day
2051 Apr 26 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Iyar 14, 5811) not a feast day
2051 Oct 19 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Cheshvan 13, 5812) not a feast day

2061 Apr 04 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (NISAN 14, 5821) FEAST OF PASSOVER
2061 Sep 29 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (TISHRI 15, 5822) FEAST OF TABERNACLES
2062 Mar 25 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Adar II, 13, 5822) not a feast day
2062 Sep 18 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Elul 13, 5822) not a feast day

2072 Mar 04 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Adar I, 14, 5832) not a feast day
2072 Aug 28 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Elul 14, 5832) not a feast day
2073 Feb 22 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Adar I, 15, 5833) not a feast day
2073 Aug 17 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Av 14, 5833) not a feast day

2090 Mar 15 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Veadar 13, 5850) not a feast day
2090 Sep 08 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Elul 13, 5850) not a feast day
2091 Mar 05 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Adar I, 15, 5851) not a feast day
2091 Aug 29 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (Elul 15, 5851) not a feast day

Therefore, JR Church is right when he says that what happens in 2014 and 2015 (4 successive Blood Moons on Feast days) does not happen again the rest of this century.

Lunar Tetrads 1 AD to 1000 AD

Someone said there weren't any prophetic Tetrads on Feast days from AD 1 to the 20th century. I don't believe that. I started with AD 1 and checked to 1000 AD. The first one I found was in 162/163 AD, and there were two more.

162 AD Apr 17 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (NISAN 15, 3922) FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD
162 AD Oct 11 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (TISHRI 15, 3923) FEAST OF TABERNACLES
163 AD Apr 6 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (NISAN 16, 3923) FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS
163 AD Sep 30 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (TISHRI 16, 3924) 2ND DAY OF TABERNACLES

842 Mar 30 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE NISAN 11, 4602, 3 DAYS BEFORE PASSOVER
842 Sep 23 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE TISHRI 11, 4603, 1 DAY AFTER DAY OF ATONEMENT
843 Mar 19 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE NISAN 10, 4603, 4 DAYS BEFORE PASSOVER
843 Sep 12 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE TISHRI 10, 4604, DAY OF ATONEMENT

860 Apr 09 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE NISAN 11, 4620, 3 DAYS BEFORE PASSOVER
860 Oct 03 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE TISHRI 11, 4621, 1 DAY AFTER DAY OF ATONEMENT
861 Mar 30 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE NISAN 11, 4621, 3 DAYS BEFORE PASSOVER
861 Sep 22 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE TISHRI 10, 4622, DAY OF ATONEMENT
The tetrad in 2014 and 2015 has the best chance of being prophetic.

2014 Apr 15 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (NISAN 15, 5774) FEAST OF UNL BREAD
2014 Oct 08 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (TISHRI 14, 5775) EVE OF TABERNACLES
2015 Apr 04 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (NISAN 15, 5775) FEAST OF UNL BREAD
2015 Sep 28 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (TISHRI 15, 5776) TABERNACLES

JR Church mentioned these four Total Lunar Eclipses and two Total Solar Eclipses in 2014 and 2015. There were also two partial eclipses, one of which fits Scripture with such accuracy, it is astonishing. It demonstrates his omniscience and omnipotence and the absolute accuracy of Scripture.

THE FOUR SOLAR ECLIPSES, ALL ON THE 29TH

Apr 29, 2014 Total: (Nisan 29, 5774)
Oct 23, 2014 Partial: (Tishri 29, 5775)
Mar 20, 2015 Total: (Adar 29, 5775)
EVE OF NISAN 1, FIRST DAY OF SACRED YR
Sept 13, 2015 Partial: (Elul 29, 5776) EVE OF FEAST OF TRUMPETS, WHICH WILL BE TISHRI 1, 5776, MY EXPECTED DAY OF GOD'S WRATH

HOW THESE ECLIPSES FIT SCRIPTURE

Joel 2:31 says, "The SUN shall be turned into darkness (the total Solar Eclipse of March 29, 2015 and the partial Solar Eclipse of September 13, 2015), and the MOON into blood (April 4, 2015), BEFORE the great and terrible day of the LORD come" (i.e., on Tishri 1, 5776, September 14, 2015).

Acts 2:20 says, "The SUN shall be turned into darkness (the total Solar Eclipse of March 29, 2015 and the partial Solar Eclipse of September 13, 2015), and the MOON into blood (Apr 4, 2015), BEFORE that great and notable DAY OF THE LORD come" (i.e., on Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015).

Eze 32:7 says, "when I shall put thee out (i.e., on Tishri 1, 5776, September 14, 2015), I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I WILL COVER THE SUN WITH A CLOUD, AND THE MOON SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT" (i.e., the new Crescent Moon will not be seen, because of the clouds).

On the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 will impact Earth. The mountain burning with fire will strike the Mediterranean Sea. The "aster" will obliterate Babylon. The smoke from the impacts will blank out the Sun and the new Crescent Moon of Tishri 1. The New Moon will be dark, as usual, for the two preceding days, Elul 28 and 29.

Mark 13:24 says, "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light". Mt 24:29 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken".

The beginning of the Tribulation will probably be on Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5769 (Friday, May 29, 2009). That is 2300 days before Tishri 1, 5776. It looks like the shortened Tribulation will end on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept 14, 2015), the Day of God's Wrath that will hit Earth on the Day of the Lord, the first day of the Millennium.

Rev 6:12 tells us about that Day of God's Wrath. It says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood" (i.e., from the smoke of the asteroid impacts). The last verse of that chapter says, "For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Probably no one, that will be the day of the worldwide earthquake when every wall will fall. Eze. 38:18-20 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (lit., face, they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."

Incoming e-mail, Re: Monday

I read all your text with attention and I concluded that the reason for our different interpretations is that you read "Sabbath" in Lev 23 as the first day of the festival of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15, a locked date). I read it as the weekly Sabbath (a floating date) within the week of Unleavend Bread. "The English word 'Sabbath' is translated from the Hebrew word 'shabbat', which specifically refers to the seventh day of the week. This is very important to understand, because nowhere in the scriptures is an annual festival ever referred to by the word 'shabbat' by itself, because the weekly Sabbath and the annual festivals are distinctly different types of celebrations.
With the knowledge of the difference in vocabulary between the weekly Sabbath and the annual festivals, there can be no confusion as to which day is being spoken of as the day from which to calculate Pentecost. However, the Pharisees interpreted the word 'shabbat' in Leviticus 23:11 as referring to the first day of Unleavened Bread."

Only if Passover itself falls on a Saturday, then the first day of Unleavened Bread (in this case, a Sunday) coincides with the day of the lift offering (firstfruits). That's what happened in the specific year Jesus died.

That year, Passover was Nisan 14 (Friday), the first day of Unleavened Bread was Nisan 15 (a weekly Sabbath) and the first Sunday after Passover, within the week of Unleavened Bread, was Nisan 16. So, in that specific year, the Feast of Weeks by inclusive reckoning (50 days taking Nisan 16, Sunday, as Day # 1 of the counting of the Omer) was Sivan 6th. But that was only valid for that year, as the day of the lift offering floats if the "sabbath" of Lev 23 only refers to the weekly Sabbath and not to the Festival Sabbath.

The original language of verse 11 clearly defines the day of the Wave Sheaf offering as the day after the weekly Sabbath.
The original language is very specific and clearly defines the day which is to be used to begin the counting process as the weekly Sabbath.
If God had intended to refer to the first day of Unleavened Bread in any of above scriptures, he would not have used the word 'shabbat', which can only refer to the weekly Sabbath; he would have used the word 'shabbaton'. Nowhere in scripture are the first or the last day of Unleavened Bread called a 'shabbat' or a 'shabbaton'; they are always referred to as feast days or sacred assemblies (holy convocations).
Now there is something I had never read before in all my studies about this subject and I would love to share that with you. The source is http://www.bibleresearch.org/observancebook5/b5w56.html . I found this to be an excellent piece of text.

The topic called "The Problem" is intriguing. I thought about copying and pasting it it here but I prefer to leave there for you to check it if you like. It's extremely interesting! (about God not allowing the most important prophetic event of all time to occur on the wrong day, because the Pharisees and the Sadducees had different interpretations!)

About the inclusive reckoning for the counting of 50 days (taking Sunday as Day One, not Day Zero), let me point out that that would follow the same criterium of John 20:26. In that passage, they say "eight days from that day". They are referring to another Sunday from the referente day (Sunday). Today we would simply say "seven days from now", because the first day in this counting counts as day one, not day zero.

In my humble opinion, that would also apply to the counting of the 50 days. The first day is Day 1, not Day zero. I think Pentecost is a Sunday, the Lord's Day!

Be it Sunday (June 8) or Monday (June 8), Glory to God! What matters most is that it's probably going to be this year!

Thank you so much for your time and patience. Please apologize me if I have gone too far in this discussion.

If you don't agree, that's perfectly okay. We can debate that in Heaven after the date that God chooses! I hope that is Sunday not for me to be right, but for that GLORIOUS day to be SOONER!!!!!! Agape

My reply

...On that web site you mentioned, it said,
> > Q. Why is Pentecost on June 12 in 2005, instead of on June 19? The latter date appears to be seven weeks from the Days of Unleavened Bread, and the earlier date seems to be a week too early.

> > A. The instruction for counting Pentecost is found in Leviticus 23:15-16. It tells us to count 50 days from the day after the Sabbath (the Sunday) that falls during the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

That isn't all the information verse 15 gives us. It says, "And ye shall count unto you FROM THE MORROW after the sabbath, FROM THE DAY THAT YE BROUGHT THE SHEAF OF THE WAVE OFFERING." The wave sheaf offering that starts the countdown to the wave offering of Pentecost is on the Feast of Firstfruits. Firstfruits is on the morrow after the Feast of Unleavened Bread. All the feasts are sabbaths, no matter which day of the week they fall on.

Lev 23:16 says, "Even unto the MORROW (the 50th day) after the seventh sabbath (7TH WEEK, i.e., the morrow after 49 days) shall ye number FIFTY DAYS; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD."

Lev 23:24 says, "In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a SABBATH (not necessarily Saturday), a memorial of blowing of TRUMPETS (ON TISHRI 1), an holy convocation."

Lev 23:27 says, "Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a Day of Atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you".

Lev 23:31,32 says, "Ye shall do no manner of work: it (the Day of Atonement) shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. It (THE DAY OF ATONEMENT, ON TISHRI 10, MORE THAN 7 DAYS AFTER TRUMPETS) SHALL BE UNTO YOU A SABBATH of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: IN THE NINTH DAY OF THE MONTH AT EVEN, FROM EVEN UNTO EVEN, SHALL YE CELEBRATE YOUR SABBATH."

> > Normally, the task of counting is straightforward. However, when the Days of Unleavened Bread begin on the first day of the week and end on the weekly Sabbath, the Sabbath and the day after it do not both fall during the festival. There are conceivably two ways to count Pentecost in this circumstanceóbegin counting from the first Holy Day, or, begin counting from the day after the last Holy Day.

To me, there is only one way to count it. Lev. 23:15 says, "ye shall count unto you FROM THE MORROW after the sabbath (i.e., FROM FIRSTFRUITS), FROM THE DAY THAT YE BROUGHT THE SHEAF OF THE WAVE OFFERING." To me, there is no way around that.

> > Which way is correct? Thankfully, there is a scriptural example that answers this question. In the year described in Joshua 5, the Unleavened Bread festival began on the first day of the week, just as it does in 2005. In verses 11 and 12, we find that the Israelites ate of the spring harvest on the day after the Passover, something they could not do until the wave-sheaf offering had been made (Leviticus 23:9-14).

Joshua 5:10-12, the Israelites ate the "OLD CORN OF THE LAND" (i.e., stored grain from the previous year's crop) on Nisan 15, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, not newly harvested Abib barley that they would have had to winnow. That could not be eaten until after Firstfruits on Nisan 16.

Jos 5:10-12 says, "And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho. And THEY DID EAT OF THE OLD CORN OF THE LAND ON THE MORROW(FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, NISAN 15) AFTER THE PASSOVER (NISAN 14), unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day. And the manna ceased on the morrow (FIRSTFRUITS, Nisan 16) after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year." They could then eat of the new crop, because it was after Firstfruits.

> > The wave sheaf, an offering taken from the spring crop before harvesting was allowed to begin, was offered on the same day from which Pentecost was to be counted (Leviticus 23:15).

Yes. Pentecost was to be counted from Firstfruits, not from the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

> > The only way for the scene described in Joshua 5:11-12 to take place was that the wave sheaf was offered on the first Holy Day of Unleavened Bread, allowing the Israelites to begin eating the spring crop immediately. It also meant that Pentecost fell seven weeks from that day.

Not to me. They ate the old crop on the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and waved the sheaf of Abib barley on the next day, Firstfruits. Pentecost was counted from the day they waved the sheaf before the Lord.

> > This example shows us how to calculate Pentecost in a year when the Feast of Unleavened Bread begins on the first day of the week and ends on the weekly Sabbath, as it does in 2005...That is why we know that Pentecost falls on June 12 in 2005.

> > This is not a new teaching, but continues the teaching of the Church for the last three decades, which was confirmed by a thorough study commissioned by the Council of Elders that resulted in the study paper, "Pentecost and Its Observance." This paper was sent to all elders in September 1997

To me, what they have been teaching for all those years is misleading. In Joshua 5:10-12, the Israelites ate the "OLD CORN OF THE LAND" (i.e., stored grain from the previous year's crop) on Nisan 15, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, not newly harvested Abib barley that they would have had to winnow. That could not be eaten until after Firstfruits on Nisan 16. There is nothing I know of in the Bible that would indicate that they ever kept Firstfruits on the Feast of Unleavened Bread. It was the next day.

> > This year (2005) there is an additional controversy concerning the date for Pentecost. Some have suggested that the United Church of God will be keeping the festival a week too early by beginning the count on the wrong day.
> > Passover for this year falls on the Sabbath, April 23, and is observed Friday evening, April 22. The First Day of Unleavened Bread will be observed on Sunday, April 24. Pentecost will be observed 50 days later on Sunday, June 12.

> > In order to arrive at the date of June 12, YOU MUST BEGIN THE 50-DAY COUNT ON THE FIRST SUNDAY AFTER PASSOVER, WHICH WILL ALSO BE THE FIRST DAY OF UNLEAVENED BREAD. Some question whether this is the proper method for counting the 50 days. It has been suggested by some that we should wait until the following Sunday to begin the count. THIS WOULD PLACE THE WAVE SHEAF COMPLETELY OUTSIDE THE DAYS OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, and it would produce a June 19 Pentecost instead of the June 12 date

What throws them off is their assumption that the 50-day countdown to Pentecost has to start on a Sunday, even if it that Sunday is the Feast of Unleavened Bread. I don't know of any such stipulation.

Normally, Passover is Nisan 14, Unleavened Bread is Nisan 15. Firstfruits, when the Abib barley sheaf is waved, is Nisan 16. The 7 days of Unleavened Bread run Nisan 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21.

Nisan 14, 5765 (Sat, Apr 23, 2005) Passover
Nisan 15, 5765 (Sun, Apr 24, 2005) 1st day of Unleavened Bread
Nisan 16, 5765 (Mon, Apr 25, 2005) Firstfruits and 2nd day of Unl Bread
Nisan 17, 5765 (Tue, Apr 26, 2005) 3rd day of Unleavened Bread
Nisan 18, 5765 (Wed, Apr 27, 2005) 4th day of Unleavened Bread
Nisan 19, 5765 (Thur, Apr 28, 2005) 5th day of Unleavened Bread
Nisan 20, 5765 (Fri, Apr 29, 2005) 6th day of Unleavened Bread
Nisan 21, 5765 (Sat, Apr 30, 2005) 7th day of Unleavened Bread

In the Old Testament, both feasts and the 7th day Sabbath are called SABBATHS (shabba^th, a sabbath, a day of atonement, a sabbath year, WEEK, or produce in a sabbath year; [Brown-Driver-Briggs], from shabath, to repose, rest; [Strong's], AND CONVOCATIONS, (miqra, something called out, that is, a public meeting, the act, the persons, or the place; also a rehearsal: - assembly, calling, convocation, reading; ye shall do no work therein: it is THE SABBATH of the LORD in all your dwellings [Strong's]).

In the New Testament, Col 2:16,17 says, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday (heorteĮ, festival, feast, holyday), or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days (sabbaton, of Hebrew origin; the Sabbath, that is, Shabbath, or day of weekly repose from secular avocations; also the observance or institution itself; by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths...sabbath day, WEEK [Strong's]) (1, the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work; 1a, the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week; 1b, a single sabbath, sabbath day; 2 SEVEN DAYS, A WEEK [Thayer]), Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

Josephus shows that Firstfruits was kept on Nisan 16. He said, "The feast of unleavened bread succeeds that of the Passover, and falls on the fifteenth day of the month, and continues seven days...But ON THE SECOND DAY OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, WHICH IS THE SIXTEENTH DAY OF THE MONTH, THEY FIRST PARTAKE OF THE FRUITS OF THE EARTH, for before that day they do not touch them" (Ant. III. X. 5).

To me, the 50-day countdown to Pentecost started on the morrow after the firstfruits were waved before the Lord, i.e., on Nisan 17.

Lev. 23:4-16 (LXX) says, "These are the feasts unto the Lord, holy convocations, which ye shall call in their seasons. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, between the evenings times is the Lord's passover. And on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast of unleavened bread to the Lord; seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread....When ye shall enter into the land which I gave you, and reap the harvest of it, then shall ye bring a sheaf, the first fruits of your harvest, to the priest; and he shall lift up the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you. On the morrow (i.e., Nisan 16) of the first day (Nisan 15) the priest shall lift it up....And ye shall number to yourselves from the day after (which will be Nisan 17) the sabbath (Nisan 16, Firstfruits), from the day on which ye shall offer the sheaf of the heave-offering (i.e., from Firstfruits, Nisan 16), seven full weels: until the morrow after the last week ye shall number fifty days, and shall bring a new meat-offering to the Lord" (i.e., on Pentecost).

Thus, I count Nisan 17 as day number one. This year, Nisan 16 is on Monday, so from that Monday to the next Monday is one week. The 7th Monday is Sivan 6. That is the 49th day of the omer. I figure Pentecost will be Tuesday, Sivan 7, June 10, 2008. This is running time, not figured inclusively.

A block of time should be figured inclusively. For instance, I think the 2300 days for the shortened Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14) start on Pentecost, 2009. That 2300 days is a block of time and has to be figured inclusively.

However, in case I figure wrong, I will be watching for the Rapture from Saturday, May 31, 2008, Ascension Day, onward until it happens, whenever it is. Also, I will not be offended if you disagree with me. Each person should get as much information on it as possible, then make up their own mind.

You said,
> > About the inclusive reckoning for the counting of 50 days (taking Sunday as Day One, not Day Zero), let me point out that that would follow the same criterium of John 20:26. In that passage, they say "eight days from that day". They are referring to another Sunday from the referente day (Sunday). Today we would simply say "seven days from now", because the first day in this counting counts as day one, not day zero."

It doesn't say the eighth day is Sunday, and they count a week, which is 7 days of running time, as being Sunday to Sunday, or Wednesday to Wednesday, etc. If it is a week FROM Wednesday, that first Wednesday is not counted again, since it was the 7th day of the previous week. Agape

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