Pro and Con 1415

Posted 6 -3-08

Four 'blood-red' total lunar eclipses will fall on Passover and Sukkot in 2014 and 2015, the same back-to-back occurrences at the time of 1492, 1948 and 1967

by Bill Koenig
http://www.watch.org/showart.php3?idx=104119&rtn=/index.html&showsubj=1&mcat=1

...Solar eclipses of 2008, 2009 and 2010 — and their connection to the month of Av

Additionally, Mark (Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries in Puyallup, Washington) has discovered through NASA that there will be three annual solar eclipses on the 1st of Av, beginning this year and running through 2010. We know that the month of Av — and especially the 9th of Av — has been the most trying period throughout history for the Jewish people...

NASA: Total solar eclipses occur on these dates:

Aug. 1, 2008 (1st of Av)
July 22, 2009 (1st of Av)
July 11, 2010 (1st of Av)...

Chart of 2014-2015: four blood-red moons and two solar eclipses

Mark prepared the following chart that shows the years 2014 to 2015

See gorgeous pictures - "IAA: Remains of Bears Found in Galilee Stalactite Cave"

By Ezra HaLevi

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126281

Dr. Marder says that the cave includes a number of chambers – the largest measuring 60x80 meters (197x262 feet. “Inside it is a soil accumulation that contains numerous flint tools that were knapped by man and a variety of zoological remains of animals that are no longer present in our country’s landscape such as the red deer, fallow deer, buffalo and even the remains of bears.”

Tony Blair on mission to unite religions

30/05/2008 - Tony Blair has said he wants to spend the rest of his life bringing the religions of the world together....

In an interview with Time magazine, Mr Blair said faith could be “a civilising force in globalisation”, bringing different peoples together to solve the world’s problems....

In Bible numerics, 2008 links to Pentecost

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2008/bobware531.htm

Bob Ware (31 May 2008)
"New Jerusalem as a Sphere contains a cube with sides of 2701"

Bob

I found something staggering! Maybe you can extend the discovery.

The New Jerusalem is most likely a pyramid. It measures 12,000 x 12,000 x 12,000.

LORD JESUS CHRIST segments 12,000 furlongs into a golden segment (Golden Ratio)!

12000 x 0.6180339887 = 7416 = 3368 + 4048 !!!!!!!!!!!

3368 = LORD JESUS CHRIST
4048 = LORD JESUS CHRIST
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John

I wrote before that when 7416 (the sum of two different gematrias for 'LORD JESUS CHRIST' > 3368 + 4048) is the circumference of a circle then the long side of a golden rectangle within that circle is 2008.

When 12,000 is the circumference of a circle then the short side of a golden rectangle within that circle is 2008 and each side of a square within that circle is 2701.

When the area of a circle is 12,000 then each side of a triangle within that circle is 107 > the rapture number.

When the area of each one-degree segment of a circle equals 12,000 then the sum of one side of a square and the short side of a golden rectangle within that circle is: 2891. 2891 is the sum of the Greek gematrias for 'JESUS' (888) and 'CHRIST' (1480) plus their trinity reductions of 153 and 370. 2891 also equals 2003 (the last prime number in the range of 1 to 2010 > the 'Prime List') + 888. When the area of a one-degree segment of a circle is 2701 then the perimeter of a triangle within that circle is 2891.

When the sum of the three different perimeters of a: square, triangle and golden rectangle within a circle equals 12,000 then the sum of the three different arcs opposite the: triangle, square and golden long side equals 4181. 4181 is the sum of the Greek gematrias for 'LORD JESUS CHRIST' (3168) plus the prime number gematrias derived from that spelling (1013).

Bob
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Bob,
WOW!

You wrote: "When 12,000 is the circumference of a circle then the short side of a golden rectangle within that circle is 2008 and each side of a square within that circle is 2701."

While the short side is 2008, the long side is 2008+1241 (Pentecost!) !

The FIRST WORD with value 1241 in the Bible is PENTECOST! (See link)

This is AMAZING!

John (Tng)

My comment

I think New Jerusalem is a sphere, rather than a triangle. The Holy of Holies in the Temple was a cube that represented Heaven, which is a sphere. Both a sphere and a box it would exactly fit into have the same length, breadth and height measurements. Rev 21:16 says, "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."

The great divide, Pentecost

Lev. 23 15-17 says, "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. YE SHALL BRING OUT OF YOUR HABITATIONS two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the FIRSTFRUITS unto the LORD." James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be A KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures." We are barley saints, and the Tribulation saints are wheat. The barley harvest comes before Pentecost, and the wheat harvest comes after Pentecost. Mt 13:30 says, "Let both (wheat and tares) grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."

From Firstfruits (30AD) to the Pentecost Rapture (probably in 2008), "barley" saints are harvested. Whether living or dead, they will participate in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

From that Pentecost on to the Trumpets Rapture (probably in 2015), "wheat" saints will be harvested. They will participate in the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Concerning the wheat and tares in Mt. 13:30, Jesus said, "Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."

Jesus said that earthquakes shall increase

420,000 houses collapse in China aftershocks: state media

BEIJING - 5-27-2008 - Southwest China has been rocked by dozens of powerful aftershocks after an earthquake on May 12 measuring 8.0 on the Richter scale hit densely populated Sichuan province, killing at least 67,000 people.

As of noon on Monday, 182 aftershocks measuring above four on the Richter scale had been recorded in Sichuan

Tuesday's aftershocks measured 5.4 and 5.7 Note: Iceland is now having earthquakes too.

South American Presidents Agree to Form Unasur Bloc

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=abWOMOeJUK7Y By Joshua Goodman

May 23 (Bloomberg) -- South American leaders signed a treaty to create a continental bloc modeled on the European Union...

Incoming e-mail, Re: IF TRUE PENTECOST IS JUNE 8, 2008 AS MANY THINK IT TO BE- WATCH OUT!

Consider that Jerusalem, Israel (the sign of the Fig Tree) was captured on June 7, 1967 and if the 'Law of Stripes' has a full-measure of forty complete years to the minute. Then from midnight June 7, 1967 to midnight June 7, 2008 would be forty complete years to the minute. One second after midnight it would be forty-one, and the 'Law of Stripes' would be violated!

If in fact, Sunday June 8, 2008 is True Pentecost it will BEGIN at sunset (6:00 pm) on Saturday Evening the day before which just happens to be June 7. The First Watch begins at 6:00 pm, the Second Watch begins at 9:00 pm and ends at Midnight! WHAT IF HE COMES IN THE SECOND WATCH just before midnight? The 'Law of Stripes' would NOT BE VIOLATED!

Luke 12:37-38
"It will be good for those servants whose master finds them WATCHING when He comes. ---. It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, EVEN IF HE COMES IN THE SECOND or third WATCH OF THE NIGHT".

Matthew 25:6
"AT MIDNIGHT the cry rang out! Here's the Bridegroom! Come out to meet him!"

DO THESE SCRIPTURES TELL US WITHIN A THREE-HOUR PERIOD OF THE SECOND WATCH - FROM 9:00 PM TO MIDNIGHT JUNE 7, 2008 - WHEN THE BRIDEGROOM RETURNS FOR HIS BRIDE? Come Lord Jesus!

My reply

June 7, 1967 + 40 years = June 7, 2007. That is 40 full years. Anything over that is over 40 years.

2Co 11:24 says, "Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one." That was the custom, to give no more than 39 stripes.

I think true Pentecost will be Sivan 7, 5768, Tuesday, June 10, 2008, the 41st anniversary of the end of the Six-Day War of 1967.

Lev 23:15,16 shows that the day after Firstfruits is Omer number one. It says, "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering (i.e., from Firstfruits); seven sabbaths (i.e., 7 weeks) shall be complete. Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD." Pentecost means 50. It is the 50th day from Firstfruits, Nisan 16. If Nisan 16 is on Sunday, as it was in 3790 (30 AD), I think Pentecost falls on Monday, Sivan 7.

Concerning the Jubilee year, Lev 25:8 says, "And thou shalt number seven sabbaths (i.e., weeks) of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years."

When figuring the Jubilee Year, we should first figure 7 x 7 years = 49 years. Then the next year is the Jubilee Year, the 50th year.

Likewise, when figuring Pentecost, we should first figure 7 x 7 days = 49 days. Then the next day is Pentecost, which means 50.

Some people think the day in Rev. 1:10 should be translated Sunday. Tyndale's New Testament says, "I was in the sprete on a sondaye and herde behynde me a gret voyce as it had bene of a trompe."

Rev. 1:10 (KJV) says, "I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's (kuriakos, belonging to the Lord, either Jehovah's or Jesus Christ's) day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet". That is in the Preview of The Revelation of Jesus Christ, first, because the setting of this miracle play is 10 days before the Rapture (Rev. 2:10), and second, because in Rev. 1:19, John was to write about the things that were past (i.e., before the Rapture), the things that were (i.e, at the time of the Rapture, and the things that would come after the Rapture).

This day is important, because in this Preview, John was caught up to Heaven. When there, he not only saw Jesus, but he saw the 7 churches and the 7 star performers that were still in Jesus' hand. Jesus had just caught them up.

In my opinion, the ISV is wrong. It says, "I came to be in the Spirit on the Day of the Lord, when I heard a loud voice behind me like a trumpet,"

The day of the First Trump Rapture of I Thess. 4:16,17 can't be the same day as the Last Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51,52. At the first one, no one is literally made immortal. We are raised incorruptible (1 Cor. 15:42), but not yet immortal. All together and at the same time, the whole Body of Christ is made immortal at the time of the Last Trump Rapture.

I Thess. 4:16,17 says, "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I Cor. 15:51-53 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

From Joel 1:15 and 2:1-3, we can see that the Day of the Lord is the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets.

Joel 1:15; 2:1,2 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come....Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army); there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

From Rev. 6:17 and 7:14, we can see that the Second Rapture will take place on the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath.

Rev. 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The Day of Jesus Christ is the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture. Php 1:6 says, "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ". 1Cor 1:8 says, "Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Therefore, I think Rev. 1:10 is talking about the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is the Rapture, not Sunday. I will be watching on Tuesday, June 10, 2008. That Sivan 7, Pentecost, will start at 6 PM on June 9, and last till 6 PM on June 10.

In Mark 13:28-37, Jesus said, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch (Israel) is yet tender (young, 19 years old), and putteth forth leaves (i.e., in the Six-Day War), ye know that summer is near (starts June 21): So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it (i.e., the Rapture) is nigh, even at the doors (symbol of the 2 Raptures). Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and that hour knoweth (on that particular day) no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even (6 PM), or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing (3 PM), or in the morning (starts at 6 AM): Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." I'm watching. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: IF TRUE PENTECOST IS JUNE 8, 2008 AS MANY THINK IT TO BE- WATCH OUT!

ONE QUESTION:
In the first paragraph of your reply you state: "I think true Pentecost will be Sivan 7, 5768, Tuesday, June 10, 2008" and then the last sentence of the paragraph you state "I think Pentecost falls on Monday, Sivan 7."

My reply

I said, "If Nisan 16 is on Sunday, as it was in 3790 (30 AD), I think Pentecost falls on Monday, Sivan 7."

I'm sorry that I didn't make it clear. I will try again.
In 30 AD (Jewish 3790), Firstfruits, which was Resurrection Day, was Sunday, April 9. I counted off the 7 weeks "from" that day, saying Sunday to the following Sunday is 1 week, etc., until I came to the 7th week (49th day). This puts the 49th day on Sunday. Therefore, the 50th day that year was Monday, Sivan 7, May 29, 30 AD. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: ascension day

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2008/ola524-3.htm

My reply

A reply message was sitting in my Outbox, and would not go out. I just figured out why. It had From: mjagee1@earthlink.net. My only email address is mjagee@verizon.net Re: ascension day Jeremiah 5:24 says, "Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the Lord our God, that giveth rain, both the former (Tishri 1) and the latter (Nisan 1), in his (i.e., Jesus') season (i.e., 1st coming, Tishri 1; 2nd coming Nisan 1): HE RESERVETH UNTO US THE APPOINTED WEEKS OF THE HARVEST." The feast of weeks is Pentecost. Ascension Day is not a feast day, or the harvest of weeks, so I think Pentecost is the most likely day for the Rapture. There are two ends of harvest to consider. The Pre-Trib Rapture is the barley harvest, and the Pre-Wrath Rapture is the wheat harvest. Pentecost is the dividing line between the barley harvest and the wheat harvest. I think the barley harvest ends with the Pre-Trib Rapture on Pentecost. I think wheat harvest ends with the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re:

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My reply

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