Pro and Con 1421

Posted 7-12-08

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site, Re: Bruce Warner (1 July 2008) "WHERE IN SCRIPTURE DOES IT SAY ?"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/july.htm

> > Where in Scripture does it say that the rapture MUST OCCUR BEFORE the seven-year tribulation begins ? Could it be that the rapture may occur AFTER the seven-year tribulation begins, and "after we have suffered a little while"? Could the pre-trib rapture really be better described as an early-trib rapture?

No. The 1st Rapture is Pre-Trib. It takes place when the first trump sounds (I Thess. 4:16). The 2nd Rapture is Pre-Wrath. It takes place when the "last trump" sounds (I Cor. 15:51,52).

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ" is written as if it is 10 days before the Rapture (Rev. 2:10). It is at hand in both the first and last chapters (1:3 and 22:10). Rev. 1:19 said for John to "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the Rapture).

Watch the progression. In chapters 2 and 3, John wrote down Jesus' monologue to the churches as viewed 10 days before the Rapture.

Rev 4:1 is the Pre-Trib Rapture. It says, "a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter (i.e., after the Pre-Trib Rapture).

In Heaven, John was seated on his throne with the other 23 elders, i.e., the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles that were caught up at the same time John was.

Rev 4:2-4,6 says, "And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (1st stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last in the breastplate) (i.e., Christ, the first and the last, LORD of the Old Testament and Lord of the New Testament): and there was a rainbow round about the throne (i.e., Heaven, Saturn, has a halo of 7 rings), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone, i.e., Jesus is Lion of the tribe of Judah). And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (lit., thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold....And before the throne there was a sea of glass (i.e., ice) like unto crystal" (Saturn's rings are made up of ice crystals).

Since Jesus, the God/man is seated on his throne, to depict his taking the Seven-sealed Title Deed of the Earth, a symbolic lamb is used.

After this, we see the saints in Heaven. Rev. 5:8-10 says, "...saints. And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."

Rev 5:12,13 pictures thousands of angels "Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne (Jesus as God), and unto the Lamb (Jesus as man, the Saviour) for ever and ever." The first Rapture is history.

As the next chapter begins, the Tribulation begins. Rev. 6:1,2 says, "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he (the 1st beast of Rev. 13) that sat on him had a bow (lit., simple cloth, i.e., he is a religious leader, a man of the cloth, probably the Tribulation Pope); and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

At the end of the shortened Tribulation, the 2nd Rapture will take place. It is the Pre-Wrath Rapture. In Rev. 6:15-17, the Day of God's Wrath has arrived. It says, "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him (Christ, as God) that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb (Christ as the Saviour): For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

Before the wrath of God hits Earth, the Tribulation saints are caught up to Heaven. Rev. 7:9,14-17 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, A GREAT MULTITUDE, which no man could number, OF ALL NATIONS, AND KINDREDS, AND PEOPLE, AND TONGUES, stood before the throne (Jesus as God), and before the Lamb (Jesus as man and Saviour), clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands...And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

After the Pre-Wrath Rapture has removed all believers, and all children, from the Earth, there is silence on Earth and in Heaven as Jesus is seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ. After that, the 7 trumpets are given to the 7 angels and the Wrath of God falls on unbelievers left on Earth.

Hab 2:20 says, "But the LORD (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer; Isa. 44:6) is in his holy temple: let all the EARTH KEEP SILENCE before him."

Rev 8:1,2 says, "when he had opened the seventh seal, there was SILENCE IN HEAVEN about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

After that, the asteroid as large as a mountain will hit the Mediterranean Sea, and the asteroid called an aster (star) named Wormwood will obliterate Babylon, Iraq (Rev. 8:8-10).

Of the Day of God's Wrath, Jer 50:35-40 says, "A sword is upon the Chaldeans, saith the LORD, and upon the inhabitants of BABYLON, and upon her princes, and upon her wise men. A sword is upon the liars; and they shall dote: a sword is upon her mighty men; and they shall be dismayed. A sword is upon their horses, and upon their chariots, and upon all the mingled people that are in the midst of her; and they shall become as women: a sword is upon her treasures; and they shall be robbed. A drought is upon her waters; and they shall be dried up: for it is the land of graven images, and they are mad upon their idols. Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation. As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein."

Of the Day of God's Wrath, the first day of the Millennium, Rev. 11:15-19 says, "the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of OUR LORD (YHWH King of Israel), AND OF HIS CHRIST (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer; Isa. 44:6); and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (on the 1st day of the Millennium), and wast (at the First Advent), and art to come (at the Second Advent 7 months future; Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, AND THE TIME OF THE DEAD, THAT THEY SHOULD BE JUDGED (i.e., at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD UNTO THY SERVANTS THE PROPHETS, AND TO THE SAINTS, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament (i.e., with the two stone tablets in it): and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake (a worldwide earthquake; Eze. 38:20), and great hail." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Opinion on article

I am interested to know your opinion on this article:
WWW.escapeallthesethings.Com/2015-blood-eclipses.htm

What do you make out of what this man is saying in regard to the blood moons, the Jewish calendar, and wormwood? Thanks

My reply

Tim Mc Hyde wrote:
"Hopefully you can see by now that what at first sounded like a sensational or fantastic claim is quite reasonable—once you know about the prophetic biblical calendar and feast days. With this information you can identify and predict:

the day Wormwood/Planet X will arrive
the day the Abomination of Desolation happens
the day the Great Tribulation starts and ends
the day of the Rapture (as discussed above)
the day the Wrath or Judgment of God falls
the day Jesus' Millenial Reign Begins"

Right away, I see three things on which I cannot agree with him.
1. He uses a prophetic 30-day month and 360-day year.
2. He thinks a Planet X will come and disrupt things on Earth.
3. He doesn't believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture.

To me, there will be both a Pre-Trib Rapture and a Pre-Wrath Rapture. There is no "Planet X" coming. Instead, 2 pieces of the asteroid Wormwood are coming (Rev. 8:8-11). The 30-day month and 360-day year are estimated time, not literal time.

We still use a 30-day month and a 360-day year today to estimate things like interest on a loan. That doesn't mean that we will not have any 28, 29 or 31-day months until that loan comes due. It doesn't even mean that we won't pay interest figured on the exact number of days. It is simply a quick estimate. I think it was used the same way in the Bible. The 1260 days or 40 months means 3.5 years.

Each of those years on the Jewish Lunar/Solar Calendar can have 353, 354, or 355 days, or 383, 384, or 385 days if it is a leap year with a 13th month.. Leap years happen 7 times in each 19-year cycle, on years 0, 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, and 17. This year, 5768, is a Sabbatic Year (it divides by 7 evenly) and a Leap Year. The 13th month is called Adar II or Veadar.

Rev. 11:2,3 says, "the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days." 42 x 30 = 1260 days. This is the estimated first half of the Tribulation.

Rev 12:6 says, "the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."This is the last half of the Tribulation. 1260 + 1260 = 2520 days for the whole estimated 7-year Tribulation. However, the last half, the Great Tribulation, is to be shortened.

Daniel 8:13,14 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (i.e., 1st half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (mid Tribulation), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? (last half of the Tribulation) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." These 2300 days seem to be literal days. 2520 - 2300 = 220 days, the number of days the Great Tribulation is to be shortened. 220 divided by 30 = 7.33 months. That is approximate time.

The time from the Day of God's Wrath (Tishri 1) to the Second Advent (Nisan 1) is 7 months, showing us that that final year has to be a Jewish Leap Year with the 13th month. 5776 (2015/2016) is a Leap Year.

I think the 2300-day Tribulation will run from Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5769 (Friday, May 29, 2009) to the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Monday, Sept. 14, 2015), counted by Jewish Inclusive Reckoning, because it is a block of days, not running time.

After the Gog and Magog War is stopped by two asteroid impacts (Rev. 8:8-11) on the 2300th day of the Tribulation, Eze 39:12,13 says, "SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD." I think those 7 months will run from the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, in 5776, to the following Nisan 1, 5776, the Second Advent, in a Jewish Leap Year. Nisan 1 will be the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year, Regnal because Jesus is King of kings, and Sacred because he is Lord of lords.

Every 7th year is a Sabbatic Year. This year, 5768, is a Sabbatic Year, and the end of a 19-year cycle. 5775 begins the new 19-year cycle.

See why estimated time is used? Exact calendar calculations are not simple. Estimated time can get us approximately where we need to go without getting us bogged down in the many details.

> > the escape plan for God's people is not a pretrib rapture since the rapture will be after the Great Tribulation according to the plain words of Jesus and a literal interpretation of the Bible

> > Where the Great Tribulation and Rapture is found in the seals, trumpets and bowls

There are 2 Raptures. Rev. 4:1 is the Pre-Trib Rapture. John and the rest of the 24 elders caught up that day sit on 24 thrones in Heaven in Rev. 4:4. The 24 elders are the 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel. The rest of the wise-virgin Pre-Trib saints are seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:8-10. It says, "...saints. And THEY SUNG A NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; And hast made us (i.e., in the past) unto our God kings and priests: and we shall (i.e., in the future) reign on (epi, on or over) the earth." The Pre-Trib saints are in Heaven when Jesus is given the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth. The breaking of the first seal is after the Pre-Trib Rapture.

After the Pre-Trib saints are safely in Heaven, the Tribulation starts as the first seal is broken in Rev. 6.

In Rev 6:17 we are told that "THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev. 7:9,14-16 tells us about the Pre-Wrath-Rapture saints. It says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, OF ALL NATIONS, AND KINDREDS, AND PEOPLE, AND TONGUES, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands...These are they which CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple".

After the Tribulation saints are safely in Heaven, the 7 trumpet judgments start in Rev. 8. Taking the Scripture literally, the wise-virgin saints are in Heaven before the Tribulation starts, and the foolish-virgin saints are in Heaven before the Wrath of God is poured out on Earth. All saints will be in Heaven receiving their rewards as God's wrath is poured out on unbelievers left on Earth (Rev. 11:15f).

Rev 14:3-5 tells us about the Tribulation saints. It says, "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

The wise virgins caught up in the First-Trump Rapture sing the NEW SONG. Only the 144,000 Israelites sing the NEW SONG when caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture. The foolish virgins do not get to sing the NEW SONG AT ALL.

Why? because they are not wearing white garments. Jesus warned them. Rev. 3:16-19 says, "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold (symbol of deity, i.e., the Holy Spirit) tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

To me, some of Tim Mc Hyde's claims are quite unreasonable. > > Blood Moons of Jesus Return in 2015? Biltz Theory Debunked
> > Will Jesus return in 2015...or will the Tribulation start this Fall? Can NASA’s eclipse tables help us find out? Pastor Mark Biltz has speculated that solar and blood moon eclipses in 2015 could fulfill end time milestones of Bible prophecy. Discover the prophecy breakthrough that invalidates his theory from someone who had the same idea five years earlier. Plus find out how Revelation says our year will drop to only 360 days after the prophesied eclipses happen.

I don't believe him. The Blood Moons on Passover and the Feast of Trumpets seem like very good signs, markers, that we should take into consideration.

In Luke 21:25-28, Jesus said, "there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." I am looking up. Sandwiched between them is the day I expect the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

2014 Apr 15 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (NISAN 15, 5774) FEAST OF UNL BREAD
2014 Oct 08 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (TISHRI 14, 5775) EVE OF TABERNACLES
2015 Apr 04 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (NISAN 15, 5775) FEAST OF UNL BREAD
2015 Sep 28 TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE (TISHRI 15, 5776) TABERNACLES

BELOW ARE FOUR TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSES, BLOOD MOONS, THAT HAPPEN ON FEAST DAYS IN 2014 AND 2015. To me, these are SIGNS I do not want to miss. SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN THEM ARE FOUR SOLAR ECLIPSES, ALL ON THE 29TH

2014 Apr 15 Total Lunar Eclipse, BLOOD MOON (Nisan 16, 5774) FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS

2014 Apr 29 TotaL SOLAR ECLIPSE (Nisan 29, 5774)

2014 Oct 8 Total Lunar Eclipse, BLOOD MOON (Tishri 15, 5775) FEAST OF TABERNACLES

2014 Oct 23 Partial SOLAR ECLIPSE (Tishri 29, 5775)

2015 Mar 20 Total SOLAR ECLIPSE (Adar 29, 5775), EVE OF NISAN 1, FIRST DAY OF SACRED YR

2015 Apr 4 Total Lunar Eclipse, BLOOD MOON (Nisan 15, 5775) FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD

2015 Sept 14 (Tishri 1, 5776), the FEAST OF TRUMPETS, probably the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture and the Day of God's Wrath

2015 Sept 13 Partial SOLAR ECLIPSE (Elul 29, 5776) EVE OF TRUMPETS (which will be 2015, SEPT 14; TISHRI 1, 5776) WHEN I EXPECT THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH

2015 Sep 28 Total Lunar Eclipse, BLOOD MOON (Tishri 15, 5776) FEAST OF TABERNACLES

Those signs are too good to miss. The Partial SOLAR ECLIPSE of Sept 13, 2015 aligns with the breaking of the 6th seal, when there is more going on than just the partial Solar Eclipse.

Rev. 6:12-17 says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and THE SUN BECAME BLACK AS SACKCLOTH OF HAIR, AND THE MOON BECAME AS BLOOD (on Tishri 1, only the new crescent Moon would be seen anyway; And the stars (asters, meteorites, small pieces of the asteroid Wormwood released when it breaks into 2 large pieces; Rev. 8:8-11) of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne (they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

In Gen 1:14, "God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and LET THEM BE FOR SIGNS, AND FOR SEASONS, and for days, and years". What better season to mark by these signs than the Day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, which is also the Day of God's Wrath and the day the Lord will fight for Israel?

Jesus was tempted 40 days, then he made water wine at the marriage at Cana (which means possession). We are the Bride of Christ. Maybe we will be raptured after the 40-day period that the spies spent in the Promised Land. That will be the Day of Provocation, when the spies returned to Moses with a large bunch of grapes after searching out the Promised Land. That day is Av 10 (August 11, 2008), the day two Temples went up in smoke, according to Jeremiah and Josephus.

From Song of Solomon 2:13, we know that at the time of the first Rapture, "The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away."

Two bunches of grapes represent the two Raptures in Song of Solomon 7:6-12, It says, "How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights! This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes (two clusters represent 2 Raptures). I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples; And the roof of thy mouth like THE BEST WINE (like Jesus made for the marriage at Cana) for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak (i.e., in the Resurrection). I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me. Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages. Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine flourish, whether the tender grape appear, and the pomegranates bud forth: there will I give thee my loves." The spies also took pomegranates back to Moses. That is the season when they are available.

At the Last Supper, Jesus said, "I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom" (Mt 26:29). Grape juice will be available on Av 10, the day the spies brought the huge bunch of grapes back to Moses. I hope Av 10 (August 11, 2008) marks the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture. We will know soon.

Jesus was tempted 40 days in the desert. Then he made the water wine at the marriage at Cana. That may have been on Av 10 to correlate with the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture on Av 10. We don't have long to see. We have already passed Sivan 30 (July 3, 2008), the time of firstripe grapes. We may now be on our final 40-day countdown. Subtracting the 7 years of the Tribulation from 2015 is 2008. The time seems right.

Rev. 17:12-14 shows the PRE-TRIB SAINTS with Jesus right after the Rapture. It says, "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, WHICH HAVE RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET (therefore the Tribulation has not begun, see Rev 13:1,2, where the 10 kings are crowned as the Tribulation begins); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

Rev. 11:1,2 shows that the Temple is there as the Tribulation begins. The time between Av 10, 5768 (Aug. 11, 2008) and the beginning of the Tribulation on Pentecost, May 29, 2009 (Sivan 6, 5769) is probably for building the Temple. I think it will be built between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. Water is available. The Al Kas fountain is there, also the Great Sea, the largest cistern in the cascading waterworks system of the Temple area. The aquaduct goes to that area too. The outer court will be tread underfoot by the Muslims going from the Dome of the Rock to the Al Aqsa Mosque. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re:

Thank you, Marilyn, for your quick response! I agree with you and I pray we will be leaving this planet soon! Thanks for clearing things up for me!!

Incoming e-mail, Re: Rapture

This Av 9-10 is seven Biblical years from Rosh Hashanah 2001 (September 18, 2001) and also 4000 days from the death of Princess Diana.

The years were Biblical years in Joseph’s time. Could the seven bad years commence with the completion of these seven Biblical years?

Numbers 14:24 states that Caleb fully followed the Lord. He is the only one so mentioned in the Bible. This was noted on AV 9-10. Could the Pentecost fully come of Acts 2:1 have any relation to AV 9-10?

My reply

> > Could the seven bad years commence with the completion of these seven Biblical years?

Yes, but it seems to me that there will be some time between the Pre-Trib Rapture and the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation. Here are my reasons.

The setting of Rev. 17 is right after the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place. Rev 17:10 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen (i.e., kings of the Tower of Babel [Babylon I], Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, and Imperial Rome), and ONE IS (the Pope, the leader of Ecclesiastic Rome), and the other (the False Prophet, leader of Babylon III) is NOT YET COME; and when he cometh (Mid-Trib), he must continue a short space" (the shortened Great Tribulation, the last half of the 7 years).

Rev. 17:12-14 says, "And the ten horns (10 kings that will be crowned as the Tribulation begins; Rev. 13:1,2) which thou sawest are ten kings, WHICH HAVE RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb (Jesus Christ) shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY (i.e., the wise virgins) THAT ARE WITH HIM ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

The setting of Rev 11:1-3 is just before the beginning of the Tribulation. It says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure (present tense) the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without THE TEMPLE leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall (future tense) they tread under foot forty and two months (the first half of the Tribulation). And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

The Temple is there; it can be measured. I think it will be built between the Pre-Trib Rapture and the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation. I'm hoping for the Rapture Av 10 (Aug 11, 2008) and the beginning of the Tribulation next Pentecost, Sivan 7, 5769 (May 29, 2009).

> > Numbers 14:24 states that Caleb fully followed the Lord. He is the only one so mentioned in the Bible. This was noted on AV 9-10.

Both Joshua and Caleb got to go into the Promised Land. Joshua is a type of Jesus (whose name from the Hebrew is Joshua), and Caleb (whose name means dog) followed Joshua like a faithful dog follows his owner.

> > Could the Pentecost fully come of Acts 2:1 have any relation to AV 9-10?

Not that I know of. Pentecost fully come may refer to Sivan 7. The 50-day countdown starts on the morrow after Firstfruits. That places the 50th day on Sivan 7. Agape

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