Pro and Con 1425

Posted 7-28-08

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November of 1917 saw the Balfour Declaration (issued by the British), and this began large scale Jewish immigration into Palestine. Precisely 30 years later to the very month, in November of 1947 the U.N. issued its Mandate for Palestine, which called for the formation of a Jewish State. Had it not been for Israel becoming a nation in May of 1948, the 1947 U.N. Mandate for Palestine would have long been forgotten on the timeline. Once again we go exactly 30 years into the future to November of 1977, and Anwar Sadat of Egypt made his historic trip to Jerusalem (beginning the peace process as we know it today). The September, 1978 Camp David Accords "confirmed" this Nov. '77 trip to Jerusalem as being very important on the timeline. Now lets go yet again precisely 30 years into the future to November of 2007--Mr. Bush convenes the "Annapolis Conference" with 50 participants (nearly one third of the planet). AND MR. BUSH PLEDGES TO COMPLETE THE MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS BY THE TIME HE LEAVES OFFICE!

Now, lets go back a moment. 30 years of Jewish immigration into Palestine ('17 to '47), then 30 years of Israel at war with its neighbors with no peace process going on ('47 to '77), and finally 30 years of a peace process. Why all of these 30 year periods? "30 years" appears in the Bible in several locations. Jesus was 30 when he began his ministry, David was 30 years old when he became king (II Samuel 5:4), and in Numbers Chapter 4 the Jewish people were numbered from the age of 30 (20) upward to 50. I have always believed that 30 is kind of "coming of age" for service....

Now, here is the exciting part! November of 1947 would have been lost from the timeline had it not been for events in 1948 (Israel became a nation), and November of 1977 would have been lost from the timeline also had it not been for events in 1978 (Camp David Accords). If the Most High continues this pattern, then for the Annapolis Summit of November of 2007 not to be lost from the timeline, SOMETHING HUGE WILL HAPPEN IN 2008! Since there was 30 years of immigration into Palestine, then 30 years of Israel at war with her neighbors with no peace process, and then 30 years of a peace process, what is next? Why, "peace", of course. But hold on a second. A FALSE peace provided by the soon arriving Antichrist as dictated by the Daniel 9:27 covenant! Seven years after this coming FALSE peace Jesus will arrive at the Second Coming providing the TRUE peace for the Middle East and the world.

Whew! If you are reading this and have never accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior (and there are a few of my e-mail friends who have not done so), I would suggest that you do so. Jesus happens to be Israel's long-rejected Messiah. The term "Christ" simply means Messiah. That is why in the Bible we read "Christ Jesus", which actually means "Messiah Jesus". I am Jewish and I accepted Jesus nearly 29 years ago as my Lord and Savior because He is the ONLY WAY to salvation and eternal life for all of planet Earth! The Bible is very clear about that! Moslem, Jewish, Hindu, Methodist, Catholic? The ONLY WAY to God is through Christ. There is no other way....

If God intends to continue the "30-30-30" pattern, then 2008 is ENORMOUS on the timeline! And I mean HUMONGOUS! So what does all this mean? In 2003-4 the European Union devised the European Neighborhood Policy, which was furthered by French President Sarkozy's recent convening of the "Mediterranian Union". The E.U. has come up with a plan to bring all of the Middle East nations (including Israel and the Palestinians) under their wings so to speak to stabilize the Middle East and bring peace and security to the region. The Bible tells us that right after the Rapture, the Antichrist will arrive on the scene and take political control of a "Revived Roman Empire" (the European Union is its forerunner). The Antichrist will then make a "covenant with the many" which will include Israel for a period of 7 years (Dan. 9:27). This "peace" that the Antichrist provides will be a FALSE peace. This 7 year period we call the "Tribulation Period", and it ends with the Second Coming of Christ, with Jesus bringing the TRUE peace.

IF GOD IS INTENDING TO CONFIRM THE ANNAPOLIS SUMMIT OF NOVEMBER OF 2007 WITH THE DANIEL 9:27 FALSE PEACE COVENANT IN 2008, THEN THE RAPTURE IS VERY NEAR! The coming Middle East false peace is made by the Antichrist (and NOT Mr. Bush, Tony Blair, etc.), but the Antichrist cannot come forward on the world stage until the Rapture happens first!...the Rapture "releases" the Antichrist into the world, and he assumes his position as political head of the Revived Roman Empire (E.U.) and makes the false peace treaty with Israel and "the many".

I will now give you my best guess of what MIGHT happen very soon IF GOD INTENDS TO CONFIRM THE ANNAPOLIS SUMMIT OF NOVEMBER OF 2007 WITH EVENTS IN 2008. The Rapture many places in scripture is said to happen in conjunction with "sudden destruction". As believers are going up into the air (literally!) to meet Jesus in the Rapture (those left in the world will be deceived and claim that mankind has made contact with extraterrestrials), there will be an event of "sudden destruction" happening almost at the same time down on the earth. I personally believe that a MAJOR EVENT WITH IRAN could very likely be the "sudden destruction" that happens in association with the Rapture. The Antichrist would then appear on the world scene, and would pull the whole mess together, gain the trust of the nations, and then finally provide the Middle East peace that the nations so crave. Israel, of course, would be totally deceived by the Antichrist, and mistakenly receive him as their long waited for Messiah. Then the 7-year Tribulation Period begins, and ends with the glorious Second Coming of Christ.

So, what is happening on the world stage right now? Mr. Tony Blair & Mr. Bush are pledging to achieve a final Israeli-Palestinian comprehensive peace BEFORE Mr. Bush leaves office. There is a lot of "sable rattling" between the U.S./ Israel and Iran going on. The European Union is working on a plan to bring Israel and many nations under their wings to provide Middle East peace. The European Union has a "rotating" weak presidency. They have never had a "President" like we in the U.S. have. They do not know it in the E.U, but they are actually in a holding pattern waiting for the arrival of the Antichrist!

Well now we wait! Today is July 26, 2008.

Neil Lipken
Jewish Christian, and DELIGHTED to have Jesus (Israel's true Messiah) as my Lord and Savior --I wish the same to all of you, my e-mail friends!

P.S. Do not put your trust in man's humanistic religions. They are a total waste of time! PUT YOUR TRUST IN JESUS AND HIM ALONE--AND GET OUT YOUR BIBLE AND READ IT!!!!!

My reply to Neil Lipken (nlipken@gmail.com)

Thanks so much for recognizing this repeating pattern of 30 years. Let's put our heads together and see if more will come clear.

> > The Rapture many places in scripture is said to happen in conjunction with "sudden destruction". As believers are going up into the air (literally!) to meet Jesus in the Rapture (those left in the world will be deceived and claim that mankind has made contact with extraterrestrials), there will be an event of "sudden destruction" happening almost at the same time down on the earth. I personally believe that a MAJOR EVENT WITH IRAN could very likely be the "sudden destruction" that happens in association with the Rapture.

Where in Scripture is sudden destruction associated with the Pre-Trib Rapture? The second Rapture, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, will take place at the "last trump" (I Cor. 15:51,52) on the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:17; 7:9,14), but that doesn't apply to the first-trump Rapture of I Thess. 4:13-18.

1 Thess 5:3 says, "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." The Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place on the Day of God's Wrath.

Of the time when Sarah was 90 and Abraham 100, Gen. 18:10 says, "I WILL CERTAINLY RETURN UNTO THEE ACCORDING TO THE TIME OF LIFE; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son." Is any thing too hard for the LORD? AT THE TIME APPOINTED I WILL RETURN UNTO THEE, ACCORDING TO THE TIME OF LIFE, and Sarah shall have a son." Gen 18:14 says, "Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son."

1917 + 90 years = 2007. 1917 + 100 years = 2017. I think the Pre-Trib Rapture and the 7-year Tribulation will take place between 2007 and 2017. The 2300 days will probably run from May 29, 2009 (Sivan 6, 5769, Pentecost) to April 9, 2016 (Nisan 1, 5776, first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year).

I think the Tribulation will begin Sivan 6, 5769 (May 29, 2009), and the Second Advent will take place 2300 days later (Dan. 8:13,14) on Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016).

There are 7 months between Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of God's Wrath, and Nisan 1, 5776, THE first day of the Regnal and Sacred year, because it is a Leap Year. I think Messiah Jesus will return on Nisan 1, 5776 (Saturday, April 9, 2016).

Eze. 39:12,13 says, "SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD."

I think the 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1, 5776 and the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1, lock in the year of Christ's return - 5776. Nisan 1 is 6 months shy of Tishri 1, 5777.

Thus the Pre-Trib Rapture could take place on Av 10, 5768 (August 11, 2008), the day the Temple sanctuaries burned and the day the 12 spies returned to Moses with grapes, pomegranates and figs.

Jer 52:12,13 says, "Now in the fifth month, in the TENTH DAY of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, And burned the house of the LORD, and the king's house; and all the houses of Jerusalem, and all the houses of the great men, burned he with fire".

Incoming e-mail, Re: regarding heavens=planets

Georgia Kelly (19 July 2008)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/georgiak719.htm

Am I understanding you to believe that the first and second heavens are planets? I thought the following:

First Heaven= atmosphere just above the earth (firmament)
Second Heaven= where Satan and his host are allowed to dwell
Third Heaven=Paradise (where Paul was caught up)

Is there any scripture at all that tells specifically where these heavens are? If you wrote it in your post, I may have overlooked it.

Thanks. God Bless!

My reply

I believe that there are three heavens, and that they are the planets (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter, and (3) Saturn.

Paul was caught up to the third heaven. 2Co 12:2-4 says, "I knew a man in Christ (i.e., Paul himself, he didn't want to brag) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that HE WAS CAUGHT UP INTO PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." This probably shows us how the Rapture will seem. The same word for caught up, harpazo, is used for the Rapture in I Thess. 4:16,17.

Paradise is where Jesus took the thief on the cross the day of the Crucifixion. In Luke 23:43, "Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day (Thursday) shalt thou be with me in PARADISE." Jesus took Paradise and its contents to the third heaven after his resurrection on Sunday. Rev 2:7 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of THE TREE OF LIFE, which is in the midst of the PARADISE OF GOD."

This heavenly PARADISE OF GOD is where "the throne of God and of the Lamb" is located.

Rev 22:1-5 says, "he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there THE TREE OF LIFE, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him (i.e., Jesus, both God and Christ): And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be NO NIGHT THERE; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

Rev 22:14 says, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to THE TREE OF LIFE, and may enter in through the gates into the city" (New Jerusalem).

Ezekiel's vision in chapter 1 shows us where THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB is located. Eze 1:1 says, "Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month (Tamuz 5), as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that THE HEAVENS WERE OPENED, AND I SAW VISIONS OF GOD."

In that chapter, the only place where Ezekiel could have seen "visions of God" is in verse 26, where it describes the throne of Jesus, the God/man. It says, "above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars) was the likeness of A THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a MAN (Jesus Christ) above upon it."

Sapphire is Jesus' birthstone, because he was born on the Feast of Trumpets in September. As a birthstone, sapphire means heaven.

Webster's Collegiate Dictionary says the sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the sanskrit sani (Saturn) and priya (dear). The "sapphire" planet is Saturn. The rest of Eze. 1 describes Saturn and its ring system.

Eze. 1:27-28 says, "I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (the 7 bright rings). As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD". Heaven has a halo.

Eze 1:15 shows that Earth is one of the 4 lively flying things. It says, "Now as I beheld the living (lively) creatures, behold ONE WHEEL (ORBIT) UPON THE EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces" (i.e., the spherical Earth faces all four directions). The four faces were on the flags put at the four compass points when Israel camped in the desert.

In Ant. III. VI. 7, Josephus said of the lampstand in the Temple, it "spread itself into as many branches as there are planets, including the sun among them." In Wars. V. V. 5, he said, "Now the seven lamps signified the seven planets." These are the naked-eye planets, (1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter, and (7) Saturn. From Earth, the three heavens would be Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

Rev 4:3 says of the throne in Heaven, "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone (i.e., the first and the last stones in the breastplate, because Jesus is both the first and the last, Isa. 44:6, Rev. 1:): and THERE WAS A RAINBOW ROUND ABOUT THE THRONE, IN SIGHT LIKE UNTO AN EMERALD" (Judah's stone, because Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah).

Rev 1:17,18 says, "And when I (John) saw him (Jesus), I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." Agape

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Samson Mwawasi (22 July 2008)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/samsonm722-1.htm

PRAISE BE TO GOD WHO SITS IN THE HIGHEST!

Thank you our Lovely Marilyn Agee for your post dated 18th July 2008.

But i am a bit confused about what you wrote. "Therefore the first heaven is Mars, the second heaven is Jupiter, and the third heaven is Saturn, where Paradise and Jesus's sapphire throne are located."

Did you mean the throne of Jesus and Paradise are located at planet Saturn? I have no dear of what you meant.

I believe Heaven is not in any of these planets. Please enlighten me on this Sister, otherwise i enjoy all your posts and they bless me alot.

May God bless you.

For my correction as far as Revelation 21 is concerned after the millenium reign there might be no sea because the old former Heavens and earth would have passed away.

GIVING JESUS ALL THE GLORY AND LIFTING HIM EVEN HIGHER! Shalom!

My reply

> > But i am a bit confused about what you wrote. "Therefore the first heaven is Mars, the second heaven is Jupiter, and the third heaven is Saturn, where Paradise and Jesus's sapphire throne are located."
> > Did you mean the throne of Jesus and Paradise are located at planet Saturn? I have no dear of what you meant.

Yes. that's what I meant. I am not surprised that you are confused. For many years, every time I thought of Saturn when I read certain Bible verses, I said to myself, "Nah, that can't be."

However, when writing my book on The Revelation of Jesus Christ, it finally became clear to me that those verses did indeed indicate Saturn.

In Rev 4:2,3, John (one of the 24 elders) said, "immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (Christ, both God and man) sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (1st stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in breastplate, i.e., Jesus is both the first and the last, as he said in Rev. 1:8 and Isa. 44:6): and THERE WAS A RAINBOW ROUND ABOUT THE THRONE, IN SIGHT LIKE UNTO AN EMERALD (Judah's stone in the breastplate; Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah)."

What planet has a rainbow around it? Saturn. Heaven has a halo. It is made up of ice crystals just like a rainbow too.

In John 14:2-4, Jesus said, "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know."

If Jesus is on Saturn, we will be on Saturn.

In Eze. 1:1, he said, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." The only place in that chapter that speaks of God is verse 26. It describes the throne of Jesus, who is both God and man.

Eze. 1:26 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness (i.e., symbol) of the throne was the likeness (symbol) as the appearance of a man (Jesus, both God and man) above upon it."

I looked up the word sapphire in my Webster's Collegiate Dictionary. It said that sapphire meant dear to the planet Saturn. It was from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. Therefore, the sapphire is a symbol of heaven, and Jesus' throne is there. I whispered to myself, "So it is true" as goosebumps spread over my whole body.

Since Jesus is on Saturn, we will be on Saturn.

Continuing in Eze 1, verses 27 and 28 say, "And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn has amber on it), as the appearance of fire round about within it (it gives off more heat than it receives from the Sun), from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and IT HAD BRIGHTNESS ROUND ABOUT (That brightness around Saturn is its ring system). As the appearance of the bow (rainbow) that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness (symbol) of the glory of the LORD" (i.e., a halo).

There are 7 rings around Saturn. Zech. 3:9,10 (LXX) says, "as for the stone (i.e., planet) which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes (orbs, circles, rings).

Jesus' birthstone is the sapphire, because he was born in September. As a birthstone, sapphire means heaven.

Of Mt. Sinai (probably also derived from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn), Ex. 24:9,10 says, "Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And THEY SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL (i.e., the preincarnate Christ): AND THERE WAS UNDER HIS FEET AS IT WERE A PAVED WORK OF A SAPPHIRE STONE, and as it were (i.e., as if it were) the body of heaven (HEAVENLY BODY) in his (or its) clearness."

Jesus is both God and man, both the LORD of the Old Testament and the Lord of the New Testament. Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), AND I am the last (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer); and beside me there is no God."

We can be certain that the preincarnate Christ was the God that came down upon Mt. Sinai. In Isa 48:16-18, the preincarnate Christ says, "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD (1. the Father), and his Spirit (2. the Holy Spirit), hath sent me (3. the preincarnate Christ). Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer (YHWH of hosts), the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea".

All ten of the original planets are represented by precious stones in Eze. 28:13. It says, "Thou (Satan) hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering (surroundings), the sardius (1. Mercury), topaz (2. Venus), and the diamond (3. Earth), the beryl (4. Mars), the onyx (5. Rahab, Satan's original planet), and the jasper (6. Jupiter), the sapphire (7. Saturn), the emerald (8. Uranus), and the carbuncle (9. Neptune), and gold" (10. Pluto). Thou (Satan) art the anointed cherub that covereth (guards, Gen. 3:24); and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (Saturn); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire" (i.e., on Rahab, Satan's planet (number 5 out of 10) that split apart and formed our Asteroud Belt).

Satan now lives on the asteroid called Wormwood (Rev. 8:10,11). Gen. 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims (planets that rise in the east), and a flaming sword (the asteroid Wormwood) which turned every way (rotates and orbits), to keep (i.e., guard) the way of (or to) the tree of life." The tree of life represents Christ, who is on his throne on Saturn.

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Jesus, Isa. 53:1,2); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab (Satan's original planet), and wounded the dragon (Satan)?" This refers to the end of the Tribulation, when the asteroid Wormwood will destroy Babylon, Iraq. As Satan was wounded when his planet Rahab split apart, the idol shepherd, the Satan-possessed False Prophet will be wounded when the asteroid Wormwood destroys Babylon.

Zech. 11:17 says, "Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword (Sword of the Lord, i.e., the 'flaming sword' of Gen. 3:24, the asteroid Wormwood) shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."

Jer 12:12,13 says, "the SWORD OF THE LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace. They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns: they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce ANGER OF THE LORD."

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (the asteroid Wormwood)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee (the asteroid) away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. HE WILL SURELY VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL INTO A LARGE COUNTRY (Iraq, not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

> > For my correction as far as Revelation 21 is concerned after the millenium reign there might be no sea because the old former Heavens and earth would have passed away.

Tons of sediment pour into the oceans every year. Maybe the basins will need to be dug out again. Agape

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