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VENTURA HOT SPOT PUZZLES EXPERTS

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/la-me-hotground5-2008aug05,0,6090312.story

A two-acre patch of land north of Fillmore (CA) heated up to 800 degrees Friday, and firefighters and geologists are unsure why. By Joanna Lin, LA Times Staff Writer, Aug 5, 08

Ventura Hot Spot

A patch of land in Ventura County’s Los Padres Forest where the ground heated up to 812 degrees Friday continues to puzzle firefighters and geologists after a month and a half of monitoring.

My reply re: the faintness of Tuvia Sagiv's drawing

The diagram I posted was the only one I had at the time. I found the images below today. I'll post the first one instead of what I had.

Sagiv Architects, 27 Elkachi St, Ramat Aviv Gimel, Tel Aviv, Israel Phone (3) - 6437066, Fax: (3) - 6437067, Email: sagiv1@barak-online.net

Incoming e-mail, Re: This coming Monday

This coming Monday, the tenth day of the month of Av, marks three years on the Hebrew calendar since the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza....Kindest regards

My reply

Thanks. Av 10 was the deadline set by the governments for all Jews to leave their homes in these areas.

The correlation is good.
Aug 15, 2005 was Monday, Av 10.
Aug 11, 2008 is Monday, Av 10.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Av
10 Av - (2005) - Expulsion from Gaza

8,500 Jewish residents were forcefully removed from their homes in 25 towns and settlements in the Gaza Strip (including 16 settlements in the "Gush Katif" belt) and Northern Shomron in the summer of 2005, as part of the Israeli government's, Disengagement Plan.
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Song of Sol. 2:10-15 (LXX) says, "My kinsman (redeemer, i.e., Christ) answers, and says to me, RISE UP, COME ('COME UP HITHER' in Rev. 4:1), my companion (the Bride of Christ), my fair one, my dove. For, behold, the winter is past, the rain (the latter rain of Nisan) is gone, it has departed. The flowers are seen in the land; THE TIME OF PRUNING (the grape vines) HAS ARRIVED; the voice of the turtle-dove (Christ) has been heard in our land. The fig-tree (Israel) has put forth its young figs, the vines put forth the TENDER GRAPE, they yield a smell: ARISE, COME, my companion, my fair one, my dove; yea, COME. Thou art my dove, in the shelter of the rock (in Christ), near the wall: shew me thy face, and cause me to hear thy voice; for thy voice is sweet, and thy countenance is beautiful. Take us the little foxes that spoil the vines: for OUR VINES PUT FORTH TENDER GRAPES."

Israel grew leaves in the Six-Day War (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golen Heights and West Bank. Jeremiah said "and the leaf shall fade. That might indicate what happened to Gaza.

Jer 8:13,20 says, "I will surely consume them, saith the LORD: THERE SHALL BE NO GRAPES ON THE VINE (the good fruit has been raptured, the bad cut off and left for the beasts of Rev. 13 to summer and winter on, Isa. 18:6), NOR FIGS ON THE FIG TREE (Israel has no fruit at this time), AND THE LEAF (Gaza Strip, grown in the Six-Day War) SHALL FADE...THE HARVEST (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) IS PAST, THE SUMMER IS ENDED, AND WE ARE NOT SAVED." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/jeans716-1.htm

Your thought Miss Marilyn, if you please.

My reply

> > The number 8 is associated with new beginnings and/or departure.

> > The theme of these 3 lead up to 8-8 and Av 9 this year.

> > This Av 9 concludes the 21 day period of mourning leading up to it. The first day and the last day are traditional days of fasting. Did not the Master say that when the groom is away you will fast but when he returns you will not fast? Is this a clue for the timing of the return of the groom for His bride?

It just may be. I think the Jews fast on Av 9, but not Av 10.

As for signs, on Av 1, we had a Total Solar Eclipse. There will be another on Av 1 in 2009, and another on Av 1 in 2010. That gets my attention.

The Olympics in China start on 8-8-8, a number that is associated with Jesus. Then, we have the fast of Tisha B' Av (Av 9) on Aug. 10, 2008.

The next day, Aug 11, 2008, is Av 10, the day Jeremiah said Solomon's Temple was burned.

Jer 52:12,13 says, "Now in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, And burned the house of the LORD, and the king's house; and all the houses of Jerusalem, and all the houses of the great men, burned he with fire".

That isn't all. Av 10 is the day the spies returned from spying out the Promised Land. They brought one huge bunch of grapes slung on a pole carried on the shoulders of 2 men, plus pomegranates and figs. All these are ripening at that time. The main grape harvest starts Tu B' Av (Av 15), the happy day when girls dressed in white dresses and danced in the vineyard while boys came to choose their wives.

Isa. 18:3-5 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (flag) on the mountains (kingdoms); and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye (that's the Pre-Trib Rapture). For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider (lit., see) in my dwelling place (i.e., Heaven) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For afore (on Av 10?) the harvest (Av 15), when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall both cut off the sprigs (with fruit, i.e., the wise virgins) with pruning hooks, and TAKE AWAY (at the Rapture) and cut down the branches (that have no fruit, i.e., the foolish virgins). They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them." Av 10 is in the summer.

Then there's the tale told by three comets. On April 11, 1996, Hyakutake crossed the star Algol (the eye of Medusa that represents Satan) in the Medusa head in the Constellation Perseus. On April 11, 1997, Hale-Bopp crossed Algol too. Their paths were at right angles to each other, so they formed a cross.

On Oct. 24, 2007, the comet Holmes exploded and grew in size larger than the Sun. As if that wasn't enough of a sign, it also crossed the star Algol on Jan. 22, 2008.

Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Rev. 17:14 shows that at the Rapture, "they that are with him (the Lord) are called, and chosen, and faithful."

After the man without a wedding garment is tossed outside the door in Mt 22, verse 14 says, "For many are called, but few are chosen." We must be called, and chosen, and faithful. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re:

THANK YOU, Miss Marilyn. We love you and Bless You & Ed til that time

Incoming e-mail, Re:

Whoever is right or wrong on the subject of the date of the crucifixion, I simply have to admire the time and effort you are prepared to spend on carefully answering everybody. We are truly blessed to have you.

My reply

Thanks much for those kind words.

Incoming e-mail

The third heaven/Saturn?

My reply

That's the way it looks to me. See what you think. Ex. 24:10 says, "they saw the God of Israel (the Pre-incarnate Christ): and there was UNDER HIS FEET as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone, and as it were (symbolic language, i.e., as if it were) THE BODY OF HEAVEN" (i.e., the heavenly body).

In Eze. 1:1, Ezekiel was shown the heavens, and God. He wrote, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." In all the rest of the chapter, the only place the vision was of God was when Jesus, the man/God was seen on the sapphire throne in verse 26. It says, "above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars) was THE LIKENESS OF A THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus, the God/man) above upon it."

Josephus, a Pharisee priest, showed that the lampstand in the Temple represented (1) the Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter and (7) Saturn. No wonder the western lamp, representing the Sun, was to be kept burning all the time. In Ant. III. VI. 7, Josephus said, "the shaft elevated itself on high from a single base, and spread itself into as many branches as there are planets (i.e., naked-eye planets), including the sun among them...and these branches carried seven lamps, one by one, in imitation of the number of the planets." In Wars. V. V. 5, he said, "The candlestick...Now the seven lamps signified the seven planets."

One of the 4 terrestrial planets is the Earth. Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (4 lively things that fly in concentric circles, wheels within wheels, as they smoothly orbit in all four directions without turning any sharp corners), behold one wheel (orbit) upon the EARTH". Therefore, Earth is one of the lively flying things. We don't feel like the Earth is moving so fast, but it revolves around the Sun at about 18.5 miles a second.

The word sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit sani (Saturn) and priya (dear). Today, our September birthstone is the sapphire, and its meaning is heaven. It is fitting that the sapphire is Jesus' birth stone, because he was born in September. No wonder his throne is sapphire in Eze. 1:26.

In 2Co 12:2, Paul said, "I knew a man (Paul himself, but he didn't want to seem to brag) in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN." From Earth, the 3rd heaven is Saturn, i.e., (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter and (3) Saturn, as shown on the lampstand in the Temple.

Saturn is the 7th of the 10 original planets God flung from his fingers, 5 on the left and 5 on the right. Rahab (number 5) was originally Satan's planet. It was split into pieces in ancient days, maybe because of Satan's sin. Satan's planet is now our Asteroid Belt. Satan now lives on the asteroid called Wormwood in Rev. 8:11. It is obviously a piece of the planet Rahab.

Eze 28:12-14 says, "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus (meaning rock, i.e., Satan, king of the rock Rahab), and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou (Satan) hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering (i.e., surroundings), the sardius (1. Mercury, topaz (2. Venus), and the diamond (3. Earth), the beryl (4. Mars), the onyx (5. Rahab), and the jasper (6. Jupiter), the sapphire (7. Saturn), the emerald (8. Uranus), and the carbuncle (9. Neptune), and gold (10. Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth (guards the way to Heaven, as in Gen. 3:24); and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst (i.e., middle) of the stones of fire." The 5th planet, Rahab, was Satan's planet.

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O ARM OF THE LORD (i.e., Jesus Christ); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab (Satan's planet), and wounded the dragon (Satan)?"

Isa 53:1-5 says of Jesus, the arm of the LORD, "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the ARM OF THE LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

Gen 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims (i.e., planets), and a flaming sword (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood) which turned every way (i.e., it tumbles as it rotates and orbits), to keep the way of (or to) the tree of life" (which is now in Heaven, Saturn).

Rev 2:7 says "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of THE TREE OF LIFE, WHICH IS IN THE MIDST OF THE PARADISE OF GOD."

Rev 22:2 says, "In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there THE TREE OF LIFE, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." Rev 22:14 says, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to THE TREE OF LIFE, and may enter in through the gates into the city." This city of God is New Jerusalem.

Rev 3:12 says, "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is NEW JERUSALEM, which cometh down out of heaven (i.e., Saturn) from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

Isa 22:16-19 is plain now. It says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (Babylon), as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood) Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. HE WILL SURELY VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (into Babylon, in Iraq, not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

It looks like the asteroid Wormwood will split into two large pieces, the mountain hitting the Mediterranean Sea, the star obliterating Babylon. Rev. 8:8-11 says, "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood (meaning bitter); and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." Agape

Her reply

Thanks.

Incoming e-mail, Re: chronology

To fully understand the thrust of our chronolgy work you have to carefully study the long charts on spreadsheet excel 52.5 KB.

Ptolemy's cannon inflated the later 5 kings of Persia by 79 years who reigned not consecutively but contemporianeously and pushed those 79 inflated years past creation. see the top line and the long chart under q and r. In this line, Nebuchadnezzor besieged Jerusalem at 597, 586 and 582. In this period Nehemiah and Mordecia were taken captive and went to Bablyon for 70 years. At the 20th year of artaxeres longimanus 1 this is 445BC on the Ptolemaic line, Nehemiah were given letters to repair the walls in 52 days. This was not the original decree of Cyrus and at the 32nd year of Artaxeres the walls of the city are built and dedicated by Nehemiah and Ezra and he visits Artaxeres in Babylon which is 411 DC on the Ptolemaic line. This makes Nehemiah and Mordecia and approximantely 170 years of age and Queen Esther who marries King Ahasuerus of the book of Esther and who really is Darius Hytaspes (and the Artaxerex of the book of Ezra chapter 4 who carried synonymous names) here Esther is approximanetly 130 years of age. All these inflated ages happens because of the 79 years inflated by Ptolemys cannon.

On the long chart you then come down to the true BC dates on the S and R line, were Cyrus decree date begins at 457 and Nebuchadnezzors sieges takes place at 597 586 and 582BC on the Ptolemaic line but on the true BC line this takes place 79 years later from Creation and become at 518 BC, 507 BC and 503 BC and the 20th year of Artaxeres where Nehimiah received letters to repair the walls in 52 days is Darius Hytaspes the Artaxeres of Ezra 7 and Ezra 4 and is located at 423true BC dates and is not the Artaxeres longimanus of the Ptolemaic date. The original decree given to Cyrus to build the temple and city at 457 BC was only a difference of 34 years to 423BC and not 91 years at 445BC on the 20th year of Artaxeres longimanus 1st on the ptolemaic line Through this line all the ages of Nehemiah and Mordecia come to their true age. Please see the first pages 1 and 2 on the PDF file which must be downloaded and be joined into an A3 chart and aligned this chart with the true dates, 457 Cyrus decree to 411 were 82 events perfectly fulfill in the 7 weeks 49 years and are totally desorted to 128 years on the Ptolemaic line of inflated years.

You quote Luke 4:16—21 as the end of the 483 years at Jesus's death at the atonment, but versus 18 of Luke 4, this is the begginging of Jesus ministry. Where he preaches the good news and relases the captives from the prison of sin and it is not the atonement which comes 3 and ˝ years later at the midst of the last week of Daniel 9 AD 30. Please also check or excel chart 19.5 KB. Both Anstey and Mauro bring Cyrus to 3589 plus 483 which is 4071 and to Jesus's death is 4075. I dont know how you arrive at 3787 AH to AD 27, I think you will have to carefully read all our work before you reach a full conclusion to our work.

Thanking you sincerely, Boris Dobra

My reply

> > I dont know how you arrive at 3787 AH to AD 27

I didn't say "3787 AH." I said "The year 27 AD was the Hebrew 3787." Maybe that is what you meant. Here it is in context.

"(Update 1-10-08 - 457 BC was a Sabbatic Year and the beginning of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9. The 483 years ended with the Sabbatic Year of 27 AD. To me, 27 AD is locked in by Jesus reading Isa. 61:1,2 in 27 AD. On the Day of Atonement, he was announcing the Jubilee that would start the following Nisan 1, in 28 AD (Luke 4:16--21). The year 27 AD was the Hebrew 3787. It divides evenly by 7. )

"457 BC, beginning of 483 years of Dan 9:24-26:

"(Update 1-10-08 - Cyrus gave the initial command, but the work was delayed by those who did not want Jerusalem rebuilt. The final command was that of Artaxerxes, in 457 BC. Then the work was completed. The 483 years ended in 27 AD.)"

I rechecked the date at http://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=25&gm=3&gy=27&g2h=Compute+Hebrew+Date&hd=26&hm=Adar2&hy=3787

It said that March 25, 27 AD was Nisan 1, 3787 on the Hebrew Calendar. The calendar programs extrapolate the modern Hebrew Calendar backwards, so they may miss by a few days, but the years are correct.

> > You quote Luke 4:16—21 as the end of the 483 years at Jesus's death at the atonment, but versus 18 of Luke 4, this is the begginging of Jesus ministry. Where he preaches the good news and relases the captives from the prison of sin and it is not the atonement which comes 3 and ˝ years later at the midst of the last week of Daniel 9 AD 30.

I think the 483 years ended with the Sabbatic Year of 27 AD. That was the beginning of Jesus' ministry. His death was in 30 AD.

I said, "(Update 1-10-08 - 457 BC was a Sabbatic Year and the beginning of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9. The 483 years ended with the Sabbatic Year of 27 AD. To me, 27 AD is locked in by Jesus reading Isa. 61:1,2 in 27 AD. On the Day of Atonement, he was announcing the Jubilee that would start the following Nisan 1, in 28 AD (Luke 4:16--21). The year 27 AD was the Hebrew 3787. It divides evenly by 7. )

Luke 4:16-21 (KJV) says of the beginning of Jesus' ministry, "he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: El Hassan Bin Talal

Are you aware of this man Prince El Hassan Bin Talal? He is the 42nd direct descendant from Mohammed and can also trace his lineage back to Ishmael. He is likely to be the one who steps into the Iraq/Iran problem at some stage to solve it as he can be accepted by both sides Shia and Sunni. He is currently crown prince of Jordan (not King)

He is a Hashemite. They claim the Dome as theirs. His brother King Hussein was the one who had the roof re-done in gold.

42 is the scriptural number for 'oppression of Israel'. The account of the children in Kings who taunted Elisha and they were mauled by a bear.

Lastly. The gospels record the lineage of the Lord Jesus. They are recorded as three lots of fourteen generations from Abraham, right through to the Messiah. Three times fourteen is forty two.

Satan always has his thumbprint on things and his deceptions often mirror the truth only upside down.

Watch this man. He is also president of the Club of Rome., and runs an organisation which is trying to bring the Jewish, Islam and Christian religious organisations together.

You may well know all this stuff already. It's all factual anyway.

My reply

Thanks. I hadn't given this man much thought.

> > The gospels record the lineage of the Lord Jesus. They are recorded as three lots of fourteen generations from Abraham, right through to the Messiah. Three times fourteen is forty two.

2030 yrs. divided by 42 = 48.33 yrs.
June 5, 1967 + 48.33 = 2015.33
June 5 was Iyar 26, 5727. The extra months are Sivan, Tamuz, Av and Elul.

I think that marks the time of the second Rapture on Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept 14, 2015). 2015 - 7 = 2008. The Rapture seems close, maybe Av 10 (Aug. 11, 2008). Agape

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