Pro and Con 1430

Posted 8-29-08

This astronomy picture of the day looks like a face in a coffee mug

Incoming e-mail, Re: Pro and Con 1429 "Neuter Gender"?

I was wondering if you could help me with something. In your...Pro and Con 1429, You say that the gender for the word child is neuter gender. I did not know that, and went to look for myself. Refering to Rev. 12:5, you said that the man child mentioned was in a neuter gender, qualifying it to be The Bride of Christ, and NOT Christ Himself in that passage of Scripture...... I would LOVE for this to be true!!

(neuter gender, i.e., the Body of Christ),

I always took the man child as being Christ Himself because I use the NKJV Bible and in this translation the the word Child has the "C" in CAPS, meaning God/Jesus. So after I just read your post I went to my e-Sword to check this out, and sure enough, in the NKJV Bible the "C" is in CAPS for the word Child.

BUT, when I did a prallel comparison with the KJV against the NKJV, the KJV does not have the "c" in caps, but small. BUT, when I hover over the word child all it says in e-Sword is G5207 hwee-os' Apparently a primary word; a "son" (sometimes of animals) used very widely of immediate, remote, or figurative kinship: -child, foal, son. Thats all it gives me in e-Sword.

Nothing of the gender really to speak of.

So then I went to Blue Letter Bible Lexicon and for G5207, they say under the part of "speech section" that the word is Masculine Noun. Here is the link... http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G5207&cscs=Rom

I would LOVE for your interpretation to be correct, because it would make all the sense in the world for the Pre-Wrath Rapture to tie into this area of scripture. But I just can not seem to see what you have found. Please help me to understand. Looking forward to seeing you in the sky on Oct. 1st !! Thank you

My reply

I must change that to say, "why is this word for "man" not masculine gender?"

It is the word "man" that is neuter, not child, and that seems strange. Why would the word "man" not be masculine gender? The quote below describes it better than I did.
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Why Revelation 12 Also Portrays The Pre-Tribulation Rapture
By Frank Caw
http://www.frankcaw.com/Manchild-Christians.html

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron.” According to Strong’s Hebrew-Greek Dictionary, the word “man” is based on the Greek word “arrhen” or “arsen,” and is translated in the King James Version as “male” or “man.” Likewise, the word “child” is derived from the Greek word “huios,” and again, according to Strong’s Hebrew-Greek Dictionary, it is “apparently a primary word; a son (sometimes of animals), used very widely of immediate, remote or figuratively, kinship... and translated by KJV as child, foal, son.”

Generally, when two nouns are written side by side as in this case, they are written in the same gender so as to maintain harmony and consistency. However, in this particular verse, THE ACTUAL LITERAL FORM OF THE GREEK WORD "ARSEN" IS IN THE NEUTER GENDER, NOT MASCULINE. If the masculine gender had been intended, then the masculine variation of the root word “arsen” would have been employed, i.e., “arsena.” So, in other words, we have the neuter “arsen” linked beside the masculine “huios.” As further proof that the Greek text intended for the word “man” to be in the neuter gender in this instance, the word “man” in verse 13, further down in this same passage, reverts back to its masculine form, “arsena.”

Therefore, we must conclude God wanted to reveal that the manchild is a son (born in a mere moment) with the spiritual strength and maturity and wisdom of an adult man, fully capable of doing his (their) assigned tasks while God finalizes the redemption of earth through the apocalyptic events about to unfold. Yet, the usual masculinity of the word “man” was deliberately downplayed and de-emphasized in verse 5 by using its neuter form. Accordingly, the manchild is not a man or even a group of men and women, but rather, a large group of individuals who are all members of one body, the true church of God, and who are perfected by God to be like Christ. (Eph. 4:13).

Sometimes people will quote the following passage as proof that the manchild represents Jesus (born out of the nation or woman, Israel):

Isaiah 66:7
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. (KJV)

Although scholars generally agree this passage refers to Jesus being born from Israel, please note one huge discrepancy between this passage and Revelation 12:5. In this passage, the manchild (Jesus) is born first, then — and only then — does the woman (Israel) travail with pain (which was Israel’s destruction, by the Romans in 70 A.D., for rejecting Jesus as Messiah). In stark contrast, however, the sunclad woman in Revelation 12 first travails with pain to be delivered (the final great apostasy which will take place before the Rapture), and then only after the travailing, does she finally give birth to the manchild (the Raptured church). Obviously, the manchild portrayed in Revelation 12 does not represent or symbolize an historical fulfillment; it is the Rapture!

Thus, the “manchild” represents Christians who will be “caught up” (I Thess. 4:16-17) (Rev. 12:5) at the time of the Rapture.
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This man child seems to represent the entire Body of Christ. Jesus is the head. The saints of the two Raptures are like the two legs, one born a bit before the other.

1. Jesus took those that came out of their graves after his resurrection to Heaven on Firstfruits and returned to Earth.
2. Jesus ascended to Heaven 40 days later.
3. The wise virgins will be caught up to Heaven before the Tribulation.
4. The Tribulation saints will be caught up to Heaven just before God's Wrath falls on Earth. Agape

Incoming e-mail, FWD: Re: DANIEL'S 70 WEEK TIME-LINE from 5 Doves site

Ola Ilori (16 Aug 2008) "DANIEL'S 70 WEEK TIME-LINE"

In scripture we read,
"Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your city..." (Dan 9:24)

"...That from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks..." (Dan 9:25)

The seventy weeks are 490 years which are split into sixty-two weeks (434 years), seven weeks (49 years) and one week (7 years).

The Command to restore and build Jerusalem is a Divine Command issued by the Lord from Heaven. Two commands were to be issued. One preceding the 434 years and the other preceding the 49 years. Once these commands were issued, Jerusalem would be restored to the Jewish people at some point within the respective time-frames. Not long after that the Messiah would be revealed in, His Glorified Body, as the Messiah the Prince.

I believe the Command of the 434 years was issued in 400 BC we then count down to the birth of Christ.

Year 1 ------------400 BC
Year 2 399 BC
Year 3 398 BC

Year 400 1 BC
Year 401 1 AD This is the year the Lord was conceived.
Year 402 2 AD This is the year the Lord was born.
Year 408 8 AD This is the Year the Lord was 7 years old. the
first 49 year count to locate the 1st Jubilee started this year.

Year 434 34 AD This is the year the Lord was cut off
according to Dan.9:26. He was 33 years old.
He rose from the dead on Nisan 16 in a Glorified
Body. This is when He appeared to His disciples
as Messiah the Prince. This fulfils Daniels sixty two week prophecy.

The seven week part of Daniels prophecy is the 40th cycle preceding the 40th Jubilee year.

In 8 AD the Lord was 7 years old. We add 49 years and we arrive at 57 AD. This is the 1st seven week cycle. Followed by the 1st Jubilee in 58 AD.

Jerusalem was destroyed by the people of the prince to come (Dan.9:26) in 70 AD. Which means another Command had to be issued in order to restore Jerusalem to the Jewish people before the Messiah the Prince would appear again to save all those who believe in Him.

58 + 49 +1 = 108 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 2
108 + 49 +1 = 158 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 3
158 + 49 +1 = 208 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 4
208 + 49 +1 = 258 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 5
258 + 49 +1 = 308 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 6
308 + 49 +1 = 358 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 7
358 + 49 +1 = 408 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 8
408 + 49 +1 = 458 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 9
458 + 49 +1 = 508 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 10
508 + 49 +1 = 558 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 11
558 + 49 +1 = 608 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 12
608 + 49 +1 = 658 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 13
658 + 49 +1 = 708 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 14
708 + 49 +1 = 758 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 15
758 + 49 +1 = 808 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 16
808 + 49 +1 = 858 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 17
858 + 49 +1 = 908 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 18
908 + 49 +1 = 958 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 19
958 + 49 +1 = 1008 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 20
1008 + 49 +1 = 1058 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 21
1058 + 49 +1 = 1108 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 22
1108 + 49 +1 = 1158 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 23
1158 + 49 +1 = 1208 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 24
1208 + 49 +1 = 1258 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 25

1258 + 49 +1 = 1308 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 26
1308 + 49 +1 = 1358 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 27
1358 + 49 +1 = 1408 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 28
1408 + 49 +1 = 1458 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 29

1458 + 49 +1 = 1508 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 30
1508 + 49 +1 = 1558 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 31
1558 + 49 +1 = 1608 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 32
1608 + 49 +1 = 1658 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 33
1658 + 49 +1 = 1708 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 34
1708 + 49 +1 = 1758 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 35
1758 + 49 +1 = 1808 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 36
1808 + 49 +1 = 1858 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 37
1858 + 49 +1 = 1908 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 38
1908 + 49 +1 = 1958 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 39

1958 + 49(Daniels seven weeks) +1 = 2008 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 40

In 1958, I believe another command was issued from Heaven for Jerusalem to to be restored to the Jewish people. This actually took place in June 1967.

In April, this year, Daniels seven weeks has been fulfilled. We are now in the 40th Jubilee year.

The Trumpet for the Jubilee will be sound from Heaven on the 9th (10 Tishri) of October 2008. We should expect a great outpouring of the Spirit from this Date.

I believe the rapture will occur on the Last Great Day of the Feast of Tabernacles. This will be on the 21st (22nd Tishri) of October 2008. On this Day, I believe,

"...the Lord (Messiah the Prince) Himself will descend from Heaven with a shout...the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the cloud to meet the Lord (Messiah the Prince) in the air..." (Thess.4:16,17)

In scripture, FOT is also called the Feast of In-gathering. For we read,
"And you shall observe...the Feast of In-gathering at the year's end." (Exod.34:22)

The Last Great Day of the Feast of Tabernacles will mark the end of the Jubilee Year and the Beginning of Daniel's one week (7 years).

Daniel's Final week will end on the 5th (22nd of Tishri) of October 2008. This is the Day all those who have been beheaded for their faith in Christ, during the last 42 months of Daniel's final week, will be raised from the dead.

This completes Daniel's 70 week (490 years) timeline.

Lets continue to watch.

My reply

> > I believe the Command of the 434 years was issued in 400 BC we then count down to the birth of Christ....

I believe the beginning of the 483 years of Dan. 9:24-26 was in 457 BC. Cyrus gave the initial command, but the work was delayed by those who did not want Jerusalem rebuilt. The final command was that of Artaxerxes, in 457 BC. After that, the work was completed. The 483 years ended in 27 AD, the Sabbatic Year that preceded the Jubilee Year 28 AD.

On the Day of Atonement in 27 AD, Jesus stood up in the Synagogue in Nazareth and read Isa. 61.1,2. He announced the Jubilee Year, 28 AD.

Luke 4:16-21 says, "he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at LIBERTY them that are bruised, TO PREACH THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, THIS DAY IS THIS SCRIPTURE FULFILLED IN YOUR EARS."

The ISV says, "and to ANNOUNCE the year of the Lord's favor." The word kerusso ("announce") means to be a herald, to officiate as a herald, or to proclaim after the manner of a herald.

> > Year 402 2 AD This is the year the Lord was born....

After much study, I think Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 3757 (Sept. 4, BC 5), before Herod died in BC 4 after a lunar eclipse on March 13, BC 4, but before Passover.. Herod began building the Temple in 19/20 BC. The Temple had been under construction for 46 years in 27 AD, the year of the first Passover of Jesus' ministry. That cannot be stretched out to end in 33 or 34 AD, as some say.

> > Year 434 - 34 AD This is the year the Lord was cut off according to Dan.9:26. He was 33 years old.

I think Jesus was crucified on Thursday, April 6, 30 AD, when he was 33.5 years old.

> > the 1st Jubilee in 58 AD

27 AD was the 49th year of the 49-year Jubilee cycle. 28 AD was a Jubilee Year. 27 AD + 49 = 76 AD. The next year, 77 AD would have been a Jubilee.

> > 1908 + 49 +1 = 1958 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 39

> > 1958 + 49(Daniels seven weeks) +1 = 2008 AD. JUBILEE YEAR 40

1938 would have been the 49th year of the Jubilee cycle. The next one was 1987. The Jubilee years were 1939 and 1988.

> > I believe the rapture will occur on the Last Great Day of the Feast of Tabernacles. This will be on the 21st (22nd Tishri) of October 2008.

I think the Feast of Trumpets just may be the date of the Pre-Trib Rapture. The man child in Rev. 12 is very unusual. The word "man" is neuter gender. The word "child" is masculine. Therefore, it looks like the "man child" represents the whole Body of Christ. Jesus, the head of the Body of Christ was born on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets. Therefore, I think both the Pre-Trib Rapture and the Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place on the Feast of Trumpets.

> > The Last Great Day of the Feast of Tabernacles will mark the end of the Jubilee Year and the Beginning of Daniel's one week (7 years).

I think the Jubilee Year was announced on the Day of Atonement and actually started the following Nisan 1.

> > Daniel's Final week will end on the 5th (22nd of Tishri) of October 2008. This is the Day all those who have been beheaded for their faith in Christ, during the last 42 months of Daniel's final week, will be raised from the dead.

He might have meant that the final week will begin on Tishri 22 in this year. 2008 + 7 = 2015. We are not yet in the Tribulation, which is the 70th week of Daniel. It will probably begin next Pentecost and run 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) to the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, in 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). Rev. 6:17 says, "the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" The Pre-Wrath Rapture of Rev. 7 takes place on this day before the wrath of God hits the unbelievers left behind on Earth.

A partial solar eclipse will take place on Sept 13, 2015 (AFTER 6 PM, SO IT WILL BE ON THAT FEAST OF TRUMPETS (TISHRI 1, 5776) WHEN I EXPECT THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH. This day will complete Daniel's 70 weeks.

> > Lets continue to watch.

Amen. Jesus commanded us to watch. Agape

Re: Lewis Brackett (19 Aug 2008), posted on Five Doves site

> > the Gog-Magog war is the 2nd seal

How can that war be 2nd seal? It takes place on the Day of God's Wrath. That's the seventh seal.

Eze. 38:18-20 says, "it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY SHALL COME UP IN MY FACE. For in my jealousy and IN THE FIRE OF MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day (Day of God's Wrath) there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel (the mountain-sized asteroid of Rev. 8:6 hits the Mediterranean Sea); So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, AND ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man; Mt. 24:30), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground."

Rev 6:17 says of that day, "For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 8:1-11 says, "And when he had opened the SEVENTH SEAL, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And the angel took the censer, and filled it with FIRE of the altar, and CAST IT INTO THE EARTH: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an EARTHQUAKE. And the second angel sounded, and as it were A GREAT MOUNTAIN BURNING WITH FIRE WAS CAST INTO THE SEA: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and THERE FELL A GREAT STAR (aster) FROM HEAVEN, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And THE NAME OF THE STAR IS CALLED WORMWOOD: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

Isa 22:5 says, "For it is A DAY OF TROUBLE, and of treading down, and of perplexity by the Lord GOD of hosts in the valley of vision, breaking down the walls, and of crying to the mountains."

That asteroid called Wormwood is where Satan lives. Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) THAT HEWETH HIM OUT A SEPULCHRE ON HIGH, AND THAT GRAVETH AN HABITATION FOR HIMSELF IN A ROCK? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. HE WILL SURELY VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down." Agape

My reply to a couple of posts on the Five Doves site Re: day of the Rapture

Re: Diane
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2008/dianeg819-1.htm

> > "I expect the next 3 FALL feasts - Rosh Hashanah, Atonement (Yom Kippur), and Tabernacles, will be fulfilled by Jesus when He returns at the end of the Tribulation. The INGATHERING could be on Rosh Hashanah 2015 when the angels gather the ELECT from the 4 corners of the world. (This is NOT the church.)

I think both the Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath Raptures will be on the Feast of Trumpets. I think the second Rapture will be on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). The wise virgins will be caught up in the first Rapture. The foolish virgins will be caught up with the Tribulation saints in the second Rapture.

We need to have our lamps burning brightly so we can be seen. Luke 13:23-28 says, "Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I KNOW YOU NOT WHENCE YE ARE: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I KNOW YOU NOT WHENCE YE ARE, DEPART FROM ME, ALL YE WORKERS OF INIQUITY. THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out."

Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the foolish one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (the Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH."

1Cor. 15:47 says, "The first man (Adam) is of the earth, earthy: the second man (Jesus) is the Lord from heaven."

I have come to the conclusion that the day in which God rested after creating the first man, Adam, and the birth of Jesus, the "second man," were on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets. The Moon was under the feet of Virgo on both of those days. Pictures of the sky showing that are on my home page: http://prophecycorner.com/agee/index.html

Rev 12:1-5 says, "there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered....and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."

The word "man" is neuter gender. The word "child" is masculine. That is so strange. Why would "man" not be masculine? I think it is because it is talking about more than Jesus. It is talking about the whole Body of Christ, of which Jesus is the head. It looks like the head was born into this world on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, and both legs of the Body of Christ will be born into a new world on Tishri 1. Both Jesus and the saints will rule with a rod of iron. Rev 19:15 says of Jesus, "out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron". Rev 2:26,27 says of the saints, "he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron".

> > So, if you can follow me here, would this be a foreshadowing of the Rosh Hashanah in 2015? Exodus 23:16 says "Celebrate the Feast of Ingathering at the end of the year, when you gather in your crops from the field.

> > Maybe we might consider the HARVEST of the wheat? And when does that occur? Does somebody know? I don't know, but it can't be ON Rosh Hashanah, because no work is allowed on a feast day.

The wheat harvest starts on Pentecost and continues in the summer. I think the harvest we are most concerned with now is the grape harvest. Tishri 1 is the vintage. Remember that in Mt 26:29, Jesus said, "But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."

> > I hope I'm not confusing the issue here, I guess what I'm saying is, don't be "disappointed" (heh, heh) if Jesus comes for us SOONER than Rosh Hashanah, this year."

I won't mind. The sooner the better. What we must do is get ready. The 40 days of Teshuvah that run from Elul 1 (Sept. 1) emphasize to the Jews that this is a season of reflection and repentance prior to the Day of atonement.

Re: Mark Copfer (22 Aug 2008)
"Re: Exact timing of Rosh Hashanah"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2008/markc822-2.htm

> > I am afraid Diane, that you do not fully understand the Timing Rules of Prophecy. There is no way that this theory of yours works, due to the fact that the Wedding of the Messiah to his Church is on Rosh Hashanah, and the actual wedding takes place during the bridal week, which is the tribulation week down on earth.

I think the second Rapture and the Marriage of the Lamb will take place on one day, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). The 144,000 will be added to the Bride of Christ. All the saints of the first Rapture will sing the "NEW SONG" (Rev. 5:9). In addition, the 144,000 caught up in the second Rapture sing the new song. It looks like the foolish virgins left behind the first time swon't get to sing that song.

Rev. 14:3-5 says, "And they (the 144,000) sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth (Rev. 7). These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

> > The "Open Door" of the Rapture in Matt 25, and Rev 3, & Rev 4:1 is a symbol of the Feast of Trumpets. [Ezek 46:1] "Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days; but on the sabbath day it shall be opened and ON THE DAY OF THE NEW MOON IT SHALL BE OPENED."

Thanks much for this reference. It looks like the day of the new Moon will be October 1st. The new crescent Moon won't be under Virgo's feet on Sept. 30. See the sky pictures on my home page: http://prophecycorner.com/agee/index.html

> > We are told that the new moon and the Feasts of the Lord are a shadow of things to come in Col 2:16,17. Since the Feast of Trumpets is the only Feast of the Lord that falls on a new moon, we should take particular note.

I agree.

> > The Feast of Trumpets is also known as the coronation of the Messiah, when he will start reigning as king, thus the beginning of the "Day of the Lord", which includes the Tribulation.

I think the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015) will be the Day of the Rapture of the Tribulation saints, the Coronation of Christ, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Day of God's Wrath, and the great and terrible Day of the Lord. Agape

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