Pro and Con 1432

Posted 9-15-08

The Anthe Arc around Saturn

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/
What created this unusual partial ring around Saturn? Discovered last year, the arc was captured in clear detail only two months ago by the Saturn-orbiting Cassini spacecraft. Since the arc occupies the same orbit as the small moon Anthe, a leading hypothesis holds that the arc was created by, and is replenished by, meteor impacts on Anthe. Similar arcs have been previously discovered, including an arc associated with the small Saturnian moon Methone, one arc related to Saturn's G ring, and several arcs orbiting Neptune. Pictured above, Anthe, only two kilometers across, is seen as the bright point near the top of the Anthe arc....

Gamma-Ray Burst Aimed Directly at Earth

Sept 10, 2008 - A massive gamma-ray burst detected last March, believed to be the brightest ever seen, turns out to have been aimed directly at the Earth. A narrow jet that drove material toward us at 99.99995 of the speed of light is revealed in the data, itself wrapped within a somewhat slower and wider jet....

It seems that to see a very bright GRB the narrow jet has to be pointing precisely at the Earth....

GRB 080319B seized the attention of the world when it became clear that the burst was actually bright enough to be visible to the unaided eye, cresting at a magnitude of 5.3...

Interesting comment by Alex Filippenko (UC Berkeley) in a just arrived news release... If the supernova that produced this GRB were located 6000 light years from us, the event would have appeared as bright as the Sun. Filippenko calls it “…the most powerful event ever seen in human existence.”

MY THOUGHTS AFTER FINDING OUT THAT THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE IS IN JOEL 2:31,32

By Marilyn Agee

Joel 2:31,32 says, "THE SUN SHALL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS, AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE (i.e., at the sixth seal) THE GREAT AND THE TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD COME. And...whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be DELIVERED (malat, ESCAPE, LEAP OUT; i.e., BE RAPTURED): for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance (peleytah, ESCAPE), as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call."

This started me looking up meanings of words in other verses about the great and terrible Day of the Lord and the Moon turning to blood. The Blood Moon before the Day of God's Wrath will probably be on April 4, 2015, the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

THE FOUR TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSES, BLOOD MOONS, ON FEAST DAYS

2014 Apr 15 Total (Nisan 16, 5774) FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS
2014 Oct 8 Total (Tishri 15, 5775) FEAST OF TABERNACLES
2015 APR 4 TOTAL (NISAN 15, 5775) FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD
2015 Sep 28 Total (Tishri 15, 5776) FEAST OF TABERNACLES

THE FOUR SOLAR ECLIPSES, ALL ON THE 29TH

Apr 29, 2014 Total (Nisan 29, 5774)
Oct 23, 2014 Partial (Tishri 29, 5775)
Mar 20, 2015 Total (Adar 29, 5775), EVE OF NISAN 1, FIRST DAY OF SACRED YR
Sept 13, 2015, Partial: 6:55 PM (AFTER 6 PM, SO IT WILL ACTUALLY BE ON THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS, WHICH WILL BE TISHRI 1, 5776, WHEN I EXPECT THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH.

The date Sept. 13 has been emphasized by Hurricane Ike hitting Texas on Sept. 13, 2008.

Acts 2:19-21 says, "I WILL SHEW WONDERS IN HEAVEN ABOVE, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: THE SUN SHALL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS (probably Sept. 13, 2015), AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD (probably Apr 4, 2015, the Feast of Unleavened Bread), BEFORE THAT GREAT AND NOTABLE DAY OF THE LORD COME (probably on Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015): And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be SAVED (sozo, saved, DELIVERED, RESCUED, i.e., RAPTURED)."

Eze 32:7 is probably a type. It says, "when I shall put thee ('Pharaoh and all his multitude') out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I WILL COVER THE SUN WITH A CLOUD, AND THE MOON SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT."

This leads me to think that the Sun, Moon and stars are obscured with a cloud before 6 PM comes on Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). That fits Rev. 6:12-17. It says, "I beheld when he had opened the SIXTH SEAL, and, lo, there was a great earthquake (worldwide, Eze. 38:20); and THE SUN BECAME BLACK AS SACKCLOTH OF HAIR, AND THE MOON BECAME AS BLOOD; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne (i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky), and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

Micah 7:1,2 suggests that the Pre-Trib Rapture is at the time of the vintage, when there are clusters of grapes to eat. It says, "Woe is me! for I am as (symbolic language) when they have gathered the summer fruits (including grapes), as the grapegleanings of the vintage: THERE IS NO CLUSTER TO EAT: my soul desired the firstripe fruit. THE GOOD (chasiyd, kind, religiously pious, saintly, godly, good, holy, merciful) MAN IS PERISHED (ABAD, ESCAPED, VANISHED, before, formerly, i.e., has already been RAPTURED) OUT OF THE EARTH: and there is none upright among men".

Job 11:20 says, "But the eyes of THE WICKED shall fail, and THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE".

If the Day of God's Wrath is Tishri 1, 5776 (Monday, Sept. 14, 2015), the 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation (Dan 8:13,14) would start Sivan 6, 5769 (Friday, May 29, 2009) Pentecost.

Mt 24:28-31 says, "For wheresoever the carcase (body, i.e., Body of Christ) is (in Heaven), there will the eagles (high-flying Tribulation saints) be gathered together (i.e., in the Pre-Wrath Rapture). Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the SUN BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And THEN (tote, at the same time) SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and then (tote, at the same time) shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." These are the saints that were taken to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

The Sign of the Son of Man is not the Second Advent when Jesus' feet will touch down on the Mt. of Olives. That is 7 months after the great and terrible Day of the Lord (Eze. 39:12,13).

Mark 13:24-27 says, "in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN SHALL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory (i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky). And then (tote, at the same time) shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (i.e., in the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (those previously caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

Isa 13:4-6, 9-13,19,20 says, "The burden of Babylon...The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations (Gog's army) gathered together: the LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6) mustereth the host of the BATTLE. THEY COME FROM A FAR COUNTRY, FROM THE END OF HEAVEN, EVEN THE LORD, AND THE WEAPONS (i.e., asteroids) OF HIS INDIGNATION, to destroy the whole land. Howl ye; for the DAY OF THE LORD IS AT HAND; IT SHALL COME AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY. Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, cruel both with WRATH and fierce ANGER, to lay the land desolate: and HE SHALL DESTROY THE SINNERS THEREOF OUT OF IT. FOR THE STARS OF HEAVEN AND THE CONSTELLATIONS THEREOF SHALL NOT GIVE THEIR LIGHT: THE SUN SHALL BE DARKENED IN HIS GOING FORTH, AND THE MOON SHALL NOT CAUSE HER LIGHT TO SHINE. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I WILL SHAKE THE HEAVENS, AND THE EARTH SHALL REMOVE OUT OF HER PLACE, IN THE WRATH OF THE LORD OF HOSTS, and in the day of his fierce anger.... And BABYLON, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. IT SHALL NEVER BE INHABITED".

Jer 46:10 says, "For this is THE DAY OF THE LORD GOD OF HOSTS, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country BY THE RIVER EUPHRATES."

Zeph 1:13-2:5 says, "they shall plant vineyards, but not drink the wine thereof. The GREAT DAY OF THE LORD IS NEAR, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. THAT DAY IS A DAY OF WRATH, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, A DAY OF DARKNESS AND GLOOMINESS, A DAY OF CLOUDS AND THICK DARKNESS, A DAY OF THE TRUMPET AND ALARM against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in THE DAY OF THE LORD'S WRATH; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land. Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER COME UPON YOU. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: IT MAY BE YE SHALL BE HID IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast". That is because the star (aster, star or asteroid) of Rev. 8:10,11 will hit the Mediterranean Sea.

This deliverance is the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It will take place as the Day of the Lord arrives. At that time, the Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky.

Mark 13:27 says, "And then (tote, at the same time) shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Tribulation saints) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN (the Bride of Christ).

Isa 40:31 says, "they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; THEY SHALL MOUNT UP WITH WINGS AS EAGLES; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

Incoming e-mail, Re: video of Mark Biltz

video of Mark Biltz teaching about the solar and lunar activities in 2014 and 2015. In this video, he says that he believes that the Second Coming will be on Yom Kippur 2015.

His notes: http://www.elshaddaiministries.us/video/eclipsevideo.html

...When Messiah comes, He also will “assemble” the people:

Mr 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

He will have the plans to rebuild the Temple:

Zec 6:12,13a And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD;

It will be at Sukkot (i.e., Tabernacles):

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zec 14:16-19 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles....

Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

(There will be a total solar eclipse and a total lunar eclipse before the great and terrible day of the Lord.) (A watch vs a warning...

49 prophetic years x 360 days = 17,640 days.

So let’s count from June 7th 1967 forward, to the day, 17,640 days and see where it takes us!...
Puts you on Sep 23rd 2015
Which is YOM KIPPUR!!

My comments

I think the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1.

I don't know how to get 49 years for a generation. However, in Mt. 1:17, I get 48.33. That's close.

I think we have to go by the Sun and Moon in fixing the length of years as in Gen. 1:14.

The 360 days seems to be for estimating time in the Bible, just like we estimate a month as 30 days, and 12 x 30 = 360 days in an estimated year. That doesn't make an actual year 360 days.

Hosea 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, AS THE LATTER AND FORMER RAIN UNTO THE EARTH."

The former rain comes on Tishri 1. The latter rain comes on Nisan 1. Jesus was born on Tishri 1. Therefore, I expect him to return on Nisan 1. That is the first day in the Regnal and Sacred Year, Regnal because he is King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of lords.

Joel 2:23 says, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and HE WILL CAUSE TO COME DOWN FOR YOU THE RAIN, THE FORMER RAIN, AND THE LATTER RAIN IN THE FIRST MONTH." The two first months are Tishri and Nisan. When a month is used without a day number, we are to assume that it is the first day of the month, because chodesh means both new Moon and month, and the new Moon is the first of the month.

De. 11:14 says, "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain and the latter rain".

Eze 29:17,21 says, "in the first month, in the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came...In that day (i.e., Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Jesus) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (i.e., the Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Incoming e-mail, Re: Amazing prophecy

I have read your posting of the prophecy, after I read it, I am 100% believing it. Tks anyway, it is very convincing. However about the time of rapture, kind of mixed up but better be prepared since I and my family don't want to be left behind. So please pray for me and my family too so that we are together can be removed away ... (raptured in the first rapture) Syallom

My reply

I'm not a prophet. I'm just trying to understand what Scripture means. It is possible. Dan. 12:10 says, "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."

Many don't understand that there is a second Rapture on the Day of the Lord. Dan. 11:45-12:3 says, "he (the False Prophet) shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas (between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea) in the glorious holy mountain (maybe where Fort Antonia was in the northern half of the Temple mount); yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. And at that time (the end of the Great Tribulation) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (the Day of God's wrath, the great and terrible Day of the Lord), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people (the 144,000 Israelites of Rev. 7:1-8) shall be delivered (malat?, escape, leap out, i.e., in the Pre-Wrath Rapture), every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake".

After we have accepted Christ, how do we make ourselves ready so we will be like the wise virgins that go with the Lord at the first Rapture, before the Tribulation begins? We use 1 John 1:9. It says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

When we first accept Christ, all previous sins are wiped off the slate. After that, we should confess all new sins to God so he can cleanse us from all unrighteousness. That includes things we may not realize were sins. If the Holy Spirit brings something to mind, we should confess it right then.

That is how we prepare ourselves to be caught up in the first Rapture, before the Tribulation begins. Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Sabbath?

Your Trumpet Theology sure sounds good to me. You and I have agreed many years now. Never have I considered your understanding to be false hope. Rather, your works has given to us a stronger hope that His promise is closer than we think. Thirty days and Watching. Agape

New Moon has been Sighted! - by Michael Rood, Sept 2, 2008 The sixth new moon of the Biblical Year was sighted in Israel just after sundown, Monday, September 2, 2008. It was 3.89% illuminated 7.64 degrees above the horizon at 5 minutes after sunset.... the Feast of Trumpets 2008 on the Biblically correct date which will occur at sundown, October 1st

My reply

Thanks. That new-Moon news shows that Tishri 1 could be Oct. 2 this year. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Rapture Article

I read your rapture article on the web and was quite impressed with the calculations leading to the possiblity of the rapture occurring in 2008. The Word of God however, seems to indicate that the catching away will happen at the opening of the Sixth Seal after the worldwide famine, and a 1/4 of the population are destroyed.

It also appears that the red moons and solar eclipses will occur in 2015 on the Jewish feast days, so I personally thought that would be the ideal time for the rapture to take place, since it is also a Sabbatical year.

What am I missing? Any help on the thought processes would be appreciated. Sincerely

My reply

> > What am I missing?

There are two Raptures. In Luke 21:36, Jesus said, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." He showed us that we can escape the terrible Tribulation, but we must be accounted worthy. That ties in with the wise virgins in Mt. 25. Only those that took extra oil (symbol of the Holy Spirit) in their vessels (i.e., bodies) went with the Bridegroom (Jesus) when he came for them.

This Rapture is at the first trump (I Thess. 4:16,17). There is a first trump and a last trump. The first trump will sound before the Tribulation. The last trump will sound at the beginning of the Day of God's wrath (Rev. 6:17; 7:14). The first is for the Bride of Christ. The last is for the Tribulation saints. No believer can be left behind to suffer through the Day of God's Wrath. I Cor. 15:51,52 tells us of the "last trump" Rapture. At that time, the whole Body of Christ will become immortal, be changed in the twinkling of an eye.

Nu. 10:1-4 is the type. It says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly (i.e., the general assembly in Heaven; Heb. 12:23), and for the journeying (massa, DEPARTURE, i.e., the Raptures) of the camps (i.e., there are two groups). And when they shall blow with them (both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (i.e., the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles, the 24 elders that are caught up in the 1st Rapture; Rev. 4:1-4), shall gather themselves unto thee."

Of the time of the first Rapture, Rev. 4:1-4 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (Jesus, both man and God) sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is both the first and the last): and there was a rainbow (Saturn's rings) round about the throne (Saturn), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone, because Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold." Along with John, the other 23 elders were caught up to Heaven when the first trump sounded in Rev. 4:1.

Of the time of the second Rapture, Heb 12:22,23 says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect."

Mt 24:30-31 says, "And then (i.e., at the end of the Great Tribulation) shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." The first Rapture group is called to the general assembly from one end of Heaven to the other.

Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN." Here we can see that the first Rapture group is already in Heaven, but the second Rapture group, the Tribulation saints, must be called up from Earth to the general assembly in Heaven on the Day of God's wrath. Only unbelievers will be left on Earth to receive God's wrath.

I agree that the second Rapture seems to be on Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). There will be a partial Solar eclipse at that time. Since it will be after 6 PM, it will be on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets. That's perfect. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Rapture Article

Thank you for your input into the two Rapture scenario. I believe based on scripture that you are on the right track. I also believe the first Rapture is fast approaching. I too had Sept. 14, 2015 written down as a day of the Lord, I'm believing June 7th or 8th of this year, may be the timing of the first Rapture.

It appears you believe as I do that the great harlot (Mystery Babylon) is the Vatican, and it will be completely destroyed in one hour, when the wrath of God is poured out.

God Bless you, and I hope to meet you soon in the air.

My reply

I think a Pope may be the first beast of Rev. 13. The harlot church seems to be what is left of that church after the first Rapture takes place. Rev 2:21,22 says, "And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds."

Babylon in Iraq is the 7th head of the Great Red Dragon of Rev. 17. It is targeted for complete destruction on the Day of God's Wrath.

Vatican City will be burned before that. Rev 17:16-18 says of that time, "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth." Agape

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