Pro and Con 1439

Posted 10-10-08

I posted my "NEW TIMELINE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE TRIBULATION TO THE SECOND ADVENT" giving the dates of end time events at the top of my Home Page.http://prophecycorner.com/agee/index.html

Everything fell into place when I used Jewish Inclusive Reckoning with the large blocks of time in Daniel and Revelation. Most turned out to be the exact number of days between two Feast Days. Therefore, I expect the Pre-Trib Rapture Oct. 21, 2008 (the 8th day of Tabernacles), and the Pre-Wrath Rapture Sept. 14, 2015 (the Feast of Trumpets). The first is on Tuesday, the third day of the week. That is significant. Jesus was resurrected on the third day, and I expect a resurrection on the third day, Tuesday, Oct. 21, 2008.

The Time Periods of Daniel

By Pastor F. M. Riley
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/The%20Time%20Periods%20of%20Daniel.doc
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E---220----+----------1040-----------+---------------1260------------------+--30--+----45----+ =2595
_ +-------------------------------------- 2,520 days------------------------------+ Daniel 9:27
----------------+-----------------------2,300 days-----------------------------+ Daniel 8:13-14

My reply

Thanks so much for sharing your studies. Two heads are often better than one, and Dan. 12:12 tells us that the wise shall understand, so I kept on trying to figure out the dates for the timeline.

Thanks so much for your chart. It supplied the last puzzle piece for me. I had put the 1260 days in the first half of the Shortened Tribulation and the 1040 days in the last half. You have it right. I hope another thing I found out will help us both.

I had to apply Jewish Inclusive Reckoning when figuring out the dates these blocks of time start and stop on. For instance, the Six-Day War started on June 5 and ran through June 10. We would call that a 5-day war, but to the Jews, because it is a block of time, it is the Six-Day War. The first date is counted as day number 1. To get time and date on the Internet to add days correctly for me, I subtracted one day from each of the blocks of time. That, and your help, caused everything to fall into place. Each of the main blocks start and stop on significant days.

> > In view of current information I would suggest the possibility that the 220 day period begins on October 20, 2008 and ends on May 28, 2009, this latter date being the eve of Pentecost, 2009.

I can refine that a bit now. Using Inclusive Reckoning, I found that the beginning date for the 220-day block is the 8th day of Tabernacles, October 21, 2008. I believe that is the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture. I think Moses and Elijah will come at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture, build the Temple and prophesy during the 220 days and the 1040 days (1260 days total). Sacrificing will be done during the 1040 block. The ending date of the 220-day block is May 29, 2009, Sivan 6, 5769, Pentecost. At Mid-Trib, April 2, 2012, the Temple will be desecrated and sacrificing will stop. Moses and Elijah will be killed, resurrected after 3.5 days, and ascend to Heaven.

May 29, 2009 is the start date for both the 1040-day block and the 2300-day block. The 1040-day block ends Mid-Trib on April 2, 2012, Nisan 10, 5772. The 2300-day block ends on 9-14-2015, Tishri 1, 5776, the Feast of Trumpets, the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. In Heaven, it is Coronation Day, the Marriage of the Lamb, and the Judgment Seat of Christ. On Earth, it is the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath.

The Jubilee Year should be announced on the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5776, 9-23-2015.

Adding 30 days to the timeline brings us to 10-14-2015, Cheshvan 1, 5776.

Adding 45 days brings us to 11-28-2015, Shabbat, Kislev 16, 5776.

Adding 130 days brings us to April-9-2016, Nisan 1, 5776, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Year. I think this is the day of the return of Christ. April 9 is the anniversary of His Resurrection (i.e., return) in 30 AD.

I thought these blocks of time were estimated time, but they turn out to fit their slots exactly. Wow! Agape

Some Scripture types that tie in with the third day

JESUS WILL DRINK NEW WINE WITH THE BRIDE OF CHRIST WHEN SHE IS CALLED TO THE MARRIAGE ON TUESDAY, THE THIRD DAY OF THE WEEK

John 2:1-11 says, "And the THIRD DAY there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee (circle, i.e., the heavenly sphere); and the mother of Jesus was there: And both JESUS WAS CALLED, AND HIS DISCIPLES, TO THE MARRIAGE. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it. When the ruler of the feast had tasted THE WATER THAT WAS MADE WINE, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him."

Mark 10:34 says, "they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and THE THIRD DAY HE SHALL RISE AGAIN."

Luke 24:46, "Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to RISE FROM THE DEAD THE THIRD DAY".

Luke 24:7 says, "The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and THE THIRD DAY RISE AGAIN."

Luke 13:32 says, "Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and THE THIRD DAY I SHALL BE PERFECTED."

2 Kings 20:8 says, "Hezekiah said unto Isaiah, WHAT SHALL BE THE SIGN THAT THE LORD WILL HEAL ME, AND THAT I SHALL GO UP INTO THE HOUSE OF THE LORD THE THIRD DAY?"

2 Kings 20:5 says, "Turn again, and tell Hezekiah the captain of my people, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will heal thee: on the THIRD DAY THOU SHALT GO UP UNTO THE HOUSE OF THE LORD. "

The Roots of Evil in Jerusalem

http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=817
Jerry Golden

"The same families who own and control the Federal Reserve and other major financial institutions have their eyes set on the Temple Mount, and the Holy City of Jerusalem. Just as Scriptures say, the man who will be revealed as the anti-Christ will sit in that place, before the appearance of the Jewish Messiah Yeshua HaMashiach, and many will receive him as their messiah. Just actually how that will come about remains to be seen, but one thing I am convinced of is that Holy men of God will not be the ones to rebuild the Temple, it will be the Illuminati. For God would not send men to that place to perform blood sacrifices. His Son's blood was the perfect sacrifice; there is no need to shed the blood of dumb animals any longer. Yeshua did a perfect work, and it was finished"

Incoming e-mail, Re: Moon under Virgo and possible new scenarios for 2008

Could you please enlighten me about the sky configuration on Yom Kippur this year (Oct. 10) and also on the last day of Tabernacles (Oct. 20 and 21)? Is there going to be another positioning of Moon under Virgo on any of these days?

I ask you because I noticed the following situations:

a) Between Yom Kippur 2008 and the last day of the feast of Tabernacles in 2015 there are exactly 2550 days.

Someone at Five Doves said that between Oct. 20 and the Feast of Trumpets in 2015 there are 2520 days. And it’s interesting because the day that the two Witnesses are killed appear to coincide with the Passover period.

As both coincidences are very interesting, and as I still consider the possibility of the first Rapture to happen in 2008, I would like to get to know your opinion before we decide to abandon our hope for 2008 and move to Pentecost 2009.

I sincerely think that we have very little time left (let’s use it to win the lost for Christ) and that we will soon meet in glory.

Kindest regards and thanks much for all your diligent work. Agape

My reply

As for the time we have left, the window of opportunity seems to be between now and Pentecost. I think the Rapture will take place between now and then, because the shortened Tribulation would start next Pentecost. I don't see how we could go beyond that. From that point, there seems to be no way to push the beginning of the Tribulation farther into the future than Pentecost. Why? because the end of the Tribulation seems to be locked into place, both by the Jewish Leap Year and the announcement of the Jubilee Year on the Day of Atonement following the Feast of Trumpets that begins that final year.

There are 7 months between the Day of God's wrath (Eze. 38:18-20) and the Second Advent. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." He will be glorified at the Second Advent.

> > please enlighten me about the sky configuration on Yom Kippur this year (Oct. 10) and also on the last day of Tabernacles (Oct. 20 and 21)? Is there going to be another positioning of Moon under Virgo on any of these days?

Setting it for Jerusalem, I checked at: http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Yoursky The Moon is not under Virgo's feet at sunset on Oct. 3, 9 (Tishri 10), 14 (Tishri 15), 20 or 21.

According to Rev. 12:1-5, Virgo has to be clothed with the Sun. As I understand it, the Sun is in Virgo during Tishri only. It moves around the 12 zodiac signs once a year. Virgo is the first sign of the year, Leo the last. Those signs tell the story of Jesus, from his virgin birth to his being the King of kings. The heavens have been telling that story each year ever since Seth and Enoch drew the gospel in the stars as the Lord inspired them.

> > Between Yom Kippur 2008 and the last day of the feast of Tabernacles in 2015 there are exactly 2550 days

Yom Kippur, Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5769, is Oct. 9, 2008. Using the time and date calculator at: http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html I added 2550 days and got Oct.3, 2015, Tishri 20, 5776. That is the 6th day of Tabernacles.

> > Someone at Five Doves said that between Oct. 20 and the Feast of Trumpets in 2015 there are 2520 days. And it’s interesting because the day that the two Witnesses are killed appear to coincide with the Passover period.

The end date checks out to be true. The 2520 days are 7 x 360 days or 2 x 1260 days.

"From date: Monday, October 20, 2008

"Added 2520 days

"Resulting date: Monday, September 14, 2015"

Sept 14, 2015 is Tishri 1, 5776, the Feast of Trumpets. I think that will be the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture and the Day of God's Wrath.

"From date: Monday, October 20, 2008

"Added 1260 days

"Resulting date: Monday, April 2, 2012" (Nisan 10, 5772)"

Nisan 10 is the date the lambs are chosen. Passover is Nisan 14, so it is in Passion Week.

As for possible Rapture dates, I was too tired last night to finish this reply or think about other possible dates. Today, I think Dec. 24, 2008 should be considered. We have time before the shortened Tribulation begins, probably until next Pentecost. The Rapture should take place during this span of time.

The Rapture will be as the days of Noah. He and his family went into the Ark and the Lord closed the door on Cheshvan 17. It began to rain that same day. It rained 40 days and 40 nights. Then the Ark floated free of the ground. Counted by inclusive reckoning, that would be Kislev 27 (Dec. 24, 2008). Wow, that's my parents wedding anniversary, and the third day of Hanukkah, the Feast of Lights. That is when the oil of one day lasted 8 days, and eight means new beginning. The Rapture will be a new beginning for us.

The wise virgins have oil in their vessels with their lamps. Is there a tie-in with the Festivalt of Lights? We are the temple of the Holy Spirit, and Hanukkah commemorated the rededication of the altar at the Temple.

The Festival of Lights was not set up in Lev. 23. Since those 7 feasts were for Israel, there is a chance that the Festival of Lights, set up much later, relates to the Church.

Thanks for your hard work. Agape

My comments on "Israel destroys Damascus, then Russia invades"

By Bill Salus, Sept 29, 08
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=76484

> > the Bible makes quite clear that in a distinctly separate Psalm 83 episode Damascus, the capital of Syria, soon ceases to be a city, and subsequently shortly thereafter Russia and Iran advance against Israel

I think the Gog and Magog war is on the last day of this age. It is when the Lord will step in and fight for Israel. I think Damascus will cease to be a city when the Wrath of God hits Earth. The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will hit the Mediterranean Sea. There will be a tsunami. Only 1/6th of Gog's forces will be left to flee to Siberia, and Damascus will cease to be a city.

IT WILL BE JESUS' LONG DAY, OF WHICH JOSHUA'S LONG DAY WAS A TYPE.

Joshua 10:10-14 says, "the LORD discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon (meaning hill city, modern ‘el-Jib’, 5 miles from Jerusalem), and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron (house of hollowness), and smote them to Azekah (dug over), and unto Makkedah (place of shepherds). And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES (i.e., asteroids) FROM HEAVEN UPON THEM UNTO AZEKAH, AND THEY DIED: THEY WERE MORE WHICH DIED WITH HAILSTONES THAN THEY WHOM THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL SLEW WITH THE SWORD. Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, SUN, STAND THOU STILL UPON GIBEON; AND THOU, MOON, IN THE VALLEY OF AJALON. AND THE SUN STOOD STILL, AND THE MOON STAYED, UNTIL THE PEOPLE HAD AVENGED THEMSELVES UPON THEIR ENEMIES. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for THE LORD FOUGHT FOR ISRAEL."

Zech 14:1-3 says, "Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD (i.e., the great and terrible Day of God's Wrath) cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I WILL GATHER ALL NATIONS AGAINST JERUSALEM TO BATTLE; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. THEN SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH, AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE NATIONS, AS WHEN HE FOUGHT IN THE DAY OF BATTLE."

Because of the angle of approach, the asteroid impacts (Rev. 8:8-11), one in the Mediterranean Sea, the other at Babylon, will turn this globe upside down. Isa 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

> > the destruction of Damascus followed by the Ezekiel invasion sets the stage for the final tribulation period

I think the Tribulation starts at the Pre-Trib Rapture, and that the Ezekiel 38 war brings on the wrath of God at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

> > The destruction of Damascus will be such a powerful world event that Isaiah was instructed to boldly and succinctly state, the burden against Damascus. "Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, And it will be a ruinous heap." (Isaiah 17:1, NKJV) Isaiah further announces that the fortified cities of Syria will be forfeited into Israeli sovereignty. (Isaiah 17:9) This suggests that the dooming of Damascus and conquest of Syria results from of an Israeli Defense Forces campaign.

I don't think so. It involves all nations, and the setting is the Day of God's Wrath. Let's read all of Isa 17. It says, "The burden of Damascus. Behold, DAMASCUS IS TAKEN AWAY FROM BEING A CITY, and it shall be a ruinous heap. The cities of Aroer are forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid. THE FORTRESS ALSO SHALL CEASE FROM EPHRAIM, AND THE KINGDOM FROM DAMASCUS, AND THE REMNANT OF SYRIA: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the LORD of hosts. And in that day it shall come to pass, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean. And it shall be as when the harvestman gathereth the corn, and reapeth the ears with his arm; and it shall be as he that gathereth ears in the valley of Rephaim. Yet gleaning grapes shall be left in it, as the shaking of an olive tree, two or three berries in the top of the uppermost bough, four or five in the outmost fruitful branches thereof, saith the LORD God of Israel. At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel (i.e., they will look up at the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky and see Him sitting on his throne). And he shall not look to the altars, the work of his hands, neither shall respect that which his fingers have made, either the groves, or the images. In that day shall his strong cities be as a forsaken bough, and an uppermost branch, which they left because of the children of Israel: and THERE SHALL BE DESOLATION. Because thou hast forgotten the God of thy salvation, and hast not been mindful of the rock of thy strength, therefore shalt thou plant pleasant plants, and shalt set it with strange slips: In the day shalt thou make thy plant to grow, and in the morning shalt thou make thy seed to flourish: but the harvest shall be a heap IN THE DAY OF GRIEF AND OF DESPERATE SORROW. WOE TO THE MULTITUDE OF MANY PEOPLE, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; AND TO THE RUSHING OF MATIONS (plural), that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters! THE NATIONS SHALL RUSH like the rushing of many waters: BUT GOD SHALL REBUKE THEM, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind. And BEHOLD AT EVENINGTIDE TROUBLE; AND BEFORE THE MORNING HE IS NOT. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us."

> > Amos declares that the capitol building of Syria will go up in smoke, and that the nation as a whole, will go into captivity. (Amos 1:3-5) Jeremiah concurs and furthermore declares the Syrian military will be decisively defeated, and in addition many young men will die in the blood-stained streets of Damascus. (Jeremiah 49:23-27)

Let's see what Amos 1:3-8 says. Verses 6-8 show what will happen along the seacoast when the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea. That happens at the same time that Damascus ceases to be a city.

Amos 1:3-8 says, "THUS SAITH THE LORD; FOR THREE TRANSGRESSIONS OF DAMASCUS, AND FOR FOUR, I WILL NOT TURN AWAY THE PUNISHMENT THEREOF; because they have threshed Gilead with threshing instruments of iron: But I will send a fire into the house of Hazael, which shall devour the palaces of Benhadad. I will break also the bar of Damascus, and cut off the inhabitant from the plain of Aven, and him that holdeth the sceptre from the house of Eden: and the people of Syria shall go into captivity unto Kir, saith the LORD. THUS SAITH THE LORD; FOR THREE TRANSGRESSIONS OF GAZA, AND FOR FOUR, I WILL NOT TURN AWAY THE PUNISHMENT THEREOF; because they carried away captive the whole captivity, to deliver them up to Edom: But I will send a fire on the wall of Gaza, which shall devour the palaces thereof: And I will cut off the inhabitant from Ashdod, and him that holdeth the sceptre from Ashkelon, and I will turn mine hand against Ekron: and the remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord GOD."

Zeph. 2:1-5 also tells about the seacoast on the Day of God's Wrath. It says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel, fulfilled in 1948); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER COME UPON YOU. SEEK YE THE LORD, ALL YE MEEK OF THE EARTH, WHICH HAVE WROUGHT HIS JUDGMENT; SEEK RIGHTEOUSNESS, SEEK MEEKNESS: IT MAY BE YE SHALL BE HID (i.e., be caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture) IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. WOE UNTO THE INHABITANTS OF THE SEA COAST".

Jer 49:11 says, "Leave thy fatherless children, I will preserve them alive". All children will be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath.

"THERE IS SORROW ON THE SEA; IT CANNOT BE QUIET"

Jeremiah 49:23-27 says, "Concerning Damascus. Hamath is confounded, and Arpad: for they have heard evil tidings: they are fainthearted; THERE IS SORROW ON THE SEA; IT CANNOT BE QUIET (i.e., because the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the sea). Damascus is waxed feeble, and turneth herself to flee, and fear hath seized on her: anguish and sorrows have taken her, as a woman in travail. HOW IS THE CITY OF PRAISE NOT LEFT, the city of my joy! Therefore her young men shall fall in her streets, and all the men of war shall be cut off in that day, saith the LORD of hosts. And I will kindle a fire in the wall of Damascus, and it shall consume the palaces of Benhadad."

> > Israel is about to blast Damascus to smithereens!

Not Israel, but the asteroid that will hit the Mediterranean Sea. Rev. 8:8,9 says, "the second angel sounded, and as it were A GREAT MOUNTAIN BURNING WITH FIRE WAS CAST INTO THE SEA: AND THE THIRD PART OF THE SEA BECAME BLOOD; AND THE THIRD PART OF THE CREATURES WHICH WERE IN THE SEA, AND HAD LIFE, DIED; AND THE THIRD PART OF THE SHIPS WERE DESTROYED." Eventually, every living soul died in the sea. Rev 16:3 says, "And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and EVERY LIVING SOUL DIED IN THE SEA."

Damascus will not the only city taken away from being a city. Babylon will be destroyed by another asteroid at the same time. Rev. 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

> > The writing is indeed on the wall, on the recent headlines and in the holy scripture, that the Psalm 83 Arab – Israeli war is about to occur, and the byproduct of that conflict will find Damascus entirely eradicated

The Lord will fight for Israel. Psa. 83:2-4 says, "Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance."

Posted on Five Doves site

Samson Mwawasi (24 Sep 2008)
"TO MARILYN AGEE!"

PRAISE THE LORD!

Hi Marilyn! Thank you so much for your Bible study and views. I will again sit down and study slowly by slowly on what both of you have given me. I will study your article and that one from Pastor Riley. Thank you so much and may God bless you!
May God renew your strength Marilyn!
And as Kelly Herman says, I LOVE THE LEARNING PROCESS! HALLELUJAH!
Keep looking up Precious Marilyn, and soon we shall know the truth! God bless you! GIVING JESUS ALL THE GLORY!
Maranatha!

Incoming e-mail

I have heard there is a prophecy about Bush remaining in office until the economy is stable. Do you know anything about this? Also, that Biden is going to bow out due to health issues sometime around 5 Oct, after the debates and that Hillary Clinton will be on the ticket with Obama. Marilyn, I believe you are right about a Rapture in our future very soon. I watch for that. Thanks again for your website. It is needed now more than ever.

My reply

I have heard of these, but they may be propeganda. Today's financial news was interesting. If I remember right, oil was up $25 a barrel, most ever in one day. Dow was down 450 points. Are these signs that we are about ten days from the Rapture? We don't have long to find out. Agape

Financial Crisis: So much for tirades against American greed

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard says it is ironic that European banks have turned out to be deeper in debt than their US counterparts.
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, 02 Oct 08
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/3118994/Financial-Crisis-So-much-for-tirades-against-American-greed.html

...By Monday, Mr Steinbrück was having to orchestrate Germany's biggest bank bail-out, putting together a €35 billion loan package to save Hypo Real Estate. By then Europe was "staring into the abyss," he admitted. Belgium faced worse. It had to nationalise Fortis (with Dutch help), a 300-year-old bastion of Flemish finance, followed a day later by a bail-out for Dexia (with French help).

Within hours they were all trumped by Dublin. The Irish government issued a blanket guarantee of the deposits and debts of its six largest lenders in the most radical bank bail-out since the Scandinavian rescues in the early 1990s. Then France upped the ante with a €300 billion pan-European lifeboat for the banks. The drama has exposed Europe's dark secret for all to see. EU banks took on even more debt leverage than their US counterparts...

We now know that it was French finance minister Christine Lagarde who begged Mr Paulson to save the US insurer AIG last week. AIG had written $300 billion in credit protection for European banks, admitting that it was for "regulatory capital relief rather than risk mitigation". In other words, it was underpinning a disguised extension of credit leverage. Its collapse would have set off a lending crunch across Europe as banking capital sank below water level.

It turns out that European regulators have allowed even greater use of "off-books" chicanery than the Americans. Mr Paulson may have saved Europe.

My comments

Is the whole world sliding into the 7-year Tribulation?

On 9-19-08, the Dow ended the day at -777. That seems like a lot of 7s, God's number of completion and perfection. Tonight, the Moon will be under Virgo's feet, a Biblical sign. Rev. 12:1-5 says, "
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France seeks €300bn rescue fund for Europe
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/article4864032.ece

Incoming e-mail

Ahmadinejad accepts Israel's right to existThe Iranian president has said he would accept a two-state solution if the Palestinians agree. So where are the headlines? Peter Tatchell guardian.co.uk, Monday September 29 2008

...Ahmadinejad was asked: "If the Palestinian leaders agree to a two-state solution, could Iran live with an Israeli state?"

This was his astonishing reply:

If they [the Palestinians] want to keep the Zionists, they can stay ... Whatever the people decide, we will respect it. I mean, it's very much in correspondence with our proposal to allow Palestinian people to decide through free referendums

Incoming e-mail, Re: Palestinians accept Olmert peace offer

Oct 02, 08 Israel Today Staff

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76859 article saved on desktop
happened Wed. Oct 1, second day of Rosh Hashannah
had picture of Rice, Abbas and Olmert in one account I saw

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