Pro and Con 1442

Posted 10-24-08

"THE MOST IMPORTANT DAY OF THE FEAST"

Denis Hart (20 Oct 2008)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/denish1020.htm

John 7:37 NOW ON THE FINAL AND MOST IMPORTANT DAY OF THE FEAST [of Tabernacles], Jesus stood, and He cried in a loud voice, If any man is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink! 38 He who believes in Me as the Scripture has said, From his innermost being shall flow [continuously] springs and rivers of living water. 39 He was speaking here of the Spirit, Whom those who believed in Him were afterward to receive. For the [Holy] Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified

My comment

WHY IS THE 8TH DAY OF TABERNACLES THE MOST IMPORTANT DAY OF THE FEAST? Did the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 start on the 8th day of Tabernacles?

Incoming e-mail, Re: new moon

http://www.almanac.com/astronomy/moon/calendar/index.php

My reply

Thanks for the Moon positions you sent. I had never seen those before.

Below is YourSky over Jerusalem on October 2, 2008. The Moon is under Virgo's feet. It wasn't under her feet on Sept. 30 or Oct. 1. Agape

http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Yoursky

Incoming e-mail, Re: rapture date! rsvp

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/tedp1020.htm

My reply

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/tedp1020.htm
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/tedp1013.htm
> > discussing the soon coming possible October 29, 2008 Rapture
> > on 9/28/2015 (2hr 49m) there is a total eclipse of the moon

That's true. I'll list the eclipses, for I think God arranged these as signs. The Blood Moons show us the general time, 2014/2015. The 4th Solar Eclipse will be on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015), the Day of God's Wrath, the date from which all the rest are counted.

THE FOUR TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSES, ALL BLOOD MOONS

2014 Apr 15 Total (Nisan 16, 5774) FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS
2014 Oct 8 Total (Tishri 15, 5775) FEAST OF TABERNACLES
2015 Apr 4 Total (Nisan 15, 5775) FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD
2015 Sept 28 Total (Tishri 15, 5776) FEAST OF TABERNACLES

THE FOUR SOLAR ECLIPSES, ALL ON THE 29TH

Apr 29, 2014 Total: (Nisan 29, 5774)
Oct 23, 2014 Partial: (Tishri 29, 5775)
Mar 20, 2015 Total: (Adar 29, 5775), EVE OF NISAN 1, FIRST DAY OF SACRED YR
Sept 13, 2015, Partial: (AFTER 6 PM, SO IT WILL ACTUALLY BE ON FEAST OF TRUMPETS, WHICH WILL BE TISHRI 1, 5776, WHEN I EXPECT THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH

> > now we are almost to the time of two times 42 months from 9/23/2015, Yom Kippur, or 2520 days, which brings us to 10/29/2008

That's true, but why would the Rapture happen on Tishri 30?

I subtracted 2520 days (less 1 for Inclusive Reckoning) from the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015, and got Oct. 21, 2008, the 8th day of Tabernacles. I think we entered the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 on Oct. 21, 2008. Adding 220 days brings us to Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5769 (May 29, 2009). Since this will be 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) before Sept 14, 2015 (using Inclusive Reckoning), I think it has a good chance of being right. I have tried to drop this framework into another slot somewhere without any luck.

I'm convinced that the Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath, has to be on Trumpets. Joel 1:15; 2:1,2 says, "Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as a DESTRUCTION from the Almighty shall it come....Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army, Eze. 38:18-20); THERE HATH NOT BEEN EVER THE LIKE, NEITHER SHALL BE ANY MORE AFTER IT". That day is unique. It is the day all 7 trumpet judgments in Revelation hit Earth. It is the "consummation" of Dan. 9:27.

Does it have to be Sept. 14, 2015 (Tishri 1, 5776)? Can it be any other Feast of Trumpets? Let's see. I think that year has to be a Jewish Leap Year, because there are 7 Jewish months between the worldwide earthquake of Eze. 38:20 and the Second Advent. Eze 39:12,13 says, "And SEVEN MONTHS (between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1) shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." He will be glorified at the Second Advent on Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal, Sacred, and JUBILEE YEAR. The 7 months would be Tishri, Cheshvan, Kislev, Teveth, Shevat, Adar I, and Adar II, the 13th month added in a Jewish Leap Year.

> > Bonnie Gaunt in August 2006 published a study showing that 2015 is a jubilee year.

> > > http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2006/Jubilee.pdf
> > > Sept 17, 1917 - Sept 7, 1918 - 50th Jubilee
> > > Sept 15, 1966 - Oct 5, 1967 - 51st Jubilee
> > > Sept 14, 2015 - Oct 3, 2016 - 52nd Jubilee

The next Leap Year will be 5779 (2018/2019). 1967 + 48 (a generation, Mt. 1:17) = 2015. I don't think we can go beyond that generation for the Pre-Wrath Rapture, and it is on the Feast of Trumpets just before God's Wrath hits Earth. I think that locks in Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015).

If the Pre-Wrath Rapture is in 5776, the Pre-Trib Rapture would be 7 years before that, in 5769. It started Tishri 1, Sept. 30, 2008. The chart below shows the divisions of the 70th week of Daniel. 220 + 1040 + 1260 = 2520 days. It also shows the 2300-day shortened Tribulation. It looks like the Pre-Trib Rapture has to take place by Pentecost, the end of the 220 days. We are not to enter into that Tribulation.

Luke 21:25, 28, 36 says, "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring...And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh....Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE (ekpheugo, flee out; i.e., be Raptured from) ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." The biggest sign was when the String of Pearls hit Jupiter. No man had ever seen anything like that before.

Concerning the 70th week of Daniel, Dan. 9:27 says, "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (of years): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation (kalah, destruction, full, utter end), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

That will probably happen on 9-14-2015 (Tishri 1, 5776).

Rev 3:10 says to the Philadelphian Church, before whom is the open door, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from (ek, out of) the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

> > One analogy of the two advents of the second coming of Jesus is that the first advent, the Rapture would occur on Rosh Hoshana, Tishri 1, and the second advent would occur on the date, 9 days later Tishri 10 or Yom Kippur

I think Jesus will return on Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal, Sacred and Jubilee Year. Nisan 1 is when all the other Israelite kings were inaugurated. That will probably be Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016). According to Eze. 39:12,13, it would be 7 months after the Day of God's Wrath.

If we entered the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 on Oct. 21, 2008, and if the Pre-Trib Rapture has to take place during the 220-day span of time, which it looks like to me, the Rapture can't be far away.

I keep thinking about Mt. 24:37-44. Jesus said, "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark (on Cheshvan 17), And knew not until the flood came (on the same day, Cheshvan 17, which is Saturday, Nov. 15, 2008), and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then (tote, at the same time; i.e., on Cheshvan 17) shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR (hora; it doesn't say DAY AND HOUR) your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR as ye think not the Son of man cometh."

We are not told what hour Noah entered the Ark, but we are told the date. Gen. 7:11-13 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month (Cheshvan), the seventeenth day of the month, THE SAME DAY were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. IN THE SELFSAME DAY entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark".

If we follow the type closely, we will be caught up on Cheshvan 17 (November 15, 2008). It seems significant that that day will be Shabbat. Will we go to Shabbatai on Shabbat? I hope so. 1967 + 48 (Mt. 1:17) = 2015. I think the second Rapture will be on Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept 14, 2015). The Pre-Trib Rapture would be 7 years before that, in 2008 (or 5769). It looks like we're finally getting there.

It also seems significant that President Bush has scheduled a meeting of the top financial leaders of the world in Washington, DC on November 15.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/business/news/article_1438768.php/UNs_special_economist_pushes_for_broadened_global_finance_summit_
"Saying US markets have lost some legitimacy as the world pace setter, the head of a new UN panel on the world financial crisis called for a broadened global finance summit after the G-20 leaders meet in Washington in mid November to resolve the economic meltdown.

"'The hope is that it will begin a process, set the agenda and it needs to be a multilateral approach in which the voices of all the countries are heard,' said Joseph Stiglitz, winner of the Nobel Prize for Economics in 2001."

We must stay ready and keep watching. Maybe we know the day but not the hour. Agape

U.S. willing to discuss financial governance: EU

By Doug Palmer
http://www.reuters.com/article/euDealsNews/idUSTRE49G5K720081017
Fri Oct 17, 2008

The United States has indicated its willingness, for the first time, to discuss creating an international governance structure for financial markets, a top European Union official said on Friday.

"My impression is there's a growing willingness on both sides to discuss seriously the reasons for the crisis and the instruments (for) how we can prevent it from happening again," EU Industry Commissioner Guenter Verheugen told reporters after two days of talks with Bush administration officials

WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS "RUN," RUN.

We can see the Tribulation approaching. A world system for buying and selling seems close now. I think of Rev. 13:16-18. It says, "And he (i.e., the False Prophet) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And THAT NO MAN MIGHT BUY OR SELL, SAVE HE THAT HAD THE MARK, OR THE NAME OF THE BEAST, OR THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

Rev 16:1,2 says, "And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of THE WRATH OF GOD upon the earth. And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore UPON THE MEN WHICH HAD THE MARK OF THE BEAST, and upon them which worshipped his image."

Rev 19:20 says, "And the beast was taken, and with him THE FALSE PROPHET THAT WROUGHT MIRACLES BEFORE HIM, WITH WHICH HE DECEIVED THEM THAT HAD RECEIVED THE MARK OF THE BEAST, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

2Th 2:1-12 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren (believers), by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and BY OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM (i.e., at the Rapture), That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (major MSS say 'day of the LORD) is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, DEPARTURE) FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (Mid-Trib). Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let (Old English for hindereth will hinder), until he be taken out of the way. And then (i.e., after the Pre--Trib Rapture) shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS."

Mt 24:15,16-27 says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) THEN (MID-TRIB) LET THEM WHICH BE IN JUDAEA FLEE INTO THE MOUNTAINS. (When the Bible says "FLEE," RUN.)

"Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

Rev 12:14-17 says, "And to the woman (i.e., Messianic Jews) were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness (eremos, desert), into her place (PETRA), where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (3.5 YEARS), from the face of the serpent (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet). And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with THE REMNANT OF HER SEED, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST."

DO WE KNOW THE DAY?

SCRIPTURE'S PLAY BETWEEN THE WISE AND EVIL SERVANT AND THE OPEN OR SHUT DOOR

Mt. 24:32-51 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7); When his branch (scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (young, no more than 19), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, Sinai and West Bank in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5, summer started June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the DOORS (symbol of the 2 Raptures). Verily I say unto you, This generation (i.e., born in 1967) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled (1967 + 48 [Mt. 1:17) = 2015, i.e., the 2nd Rapture). Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But OF THAT DAY AND HOUR KNOWETH (present tense, no man knew on that day) NO MAN, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But AS THE DAYS OF NOE were (Noah went into the Ark, the Lord shut him in, and the rain came on Cheshvan 17) SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE (Cheshvan 17 is Nov. 15, 2008). For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE (i.e., at the time of the Rapture). Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. WATCH therefore: for ye know not what HOUR (hora, it doesn't say day and hour, just hour, THEN DO WE KNOW THE DAY?) your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and WISE SERVANT, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that EVIL SERVANT shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of THAT SERVANT shall come in a DAY when he looketh not for him, and in an HOUR that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the foolish one) will come in a DAY when he looketh not for him, and at an HOUR when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (i.e., the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Mt 25:1-10 says, Then (i.e., at the time of the Rapture, when the foolish will be cut off) shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom (Christ) came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and THE DOOR WAS SHUT."

In Rev 3:8, Jesus said to the Philadelphian church, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee AN OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name."

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, A DOOR WAS OPENED IN HEAVEN: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER".

Rev 3:13-22 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I COUNSEL THEE TO BUY OF ME GOLD TRIED IN THE FIRE, THAT THOU MAYEST BE RICH; AND WHITE RAIMENT, THAT THOU MAYEST BE CLOTHED, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

We are living in strange times. The Dow is up and down. Lawsuits demand Obama produce a valid birth certificate showing that he was born in this country, and look at the following excerpts. Is this possible?

AN EXAMINATION OF OBAMA’S USE OF HIDDEN HYPNOSIS TECHNIQUES IN HIS SPEECHES

http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosis_techniques_in_His_Speeches.pdf

First, notice how voting for Obama is made absolutely compulsory with the words “have to” – precisely as a hypnotic command. He is not asking for our vote – he is telling us how we will vote.

Notice the language “light shining down”, and “it will light upon you” a description of some supernatural (subconscious) force. This statement by Obama leaves no doubt that he is using hypnosis – which a mysterious force shining down and causing you to say to yourself obviously is. It leaves no doubt that his mindset is on completely non-logical, but rather mystical/supernatural (subconscious) forces will be compelling people to vote for him. Why would a politician who logically convinces voters ever joke about something like this? What purpose would there possibly be for any politician ever saying that a mysterious force will guide you and you will “have to” vote for me? This is potentially his worst slip up....

EXPOSING OBAMA’S DECEPTION MAY BE THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT DEMOCRACY...

Occasionally an interesting concept can be caught, for instance this tidbit: At one point when Obama talks about “parting of the sea”, his corresponding hand gesture is not one of the sea parting with his palms turning upward, but of pushing apart downward the water palms down, as if he were himself g-d parting the water. Perhaps accidental, or perhaps an intentional small part of some larger themes and concepts discussed below, connected to the reason why people like Nancy Pelosi make some strange comments, e.g. referring to Obama as “sent by g-d”, and other people refer to Obama as the Messiah. The frightening part is, if Obama is doing this intentionally, he either wants to send the subconscious message that he is the messiah, or he actually believes that he is....

Barack Obama: Democratic candidate, Feb 5, 2008, remarks on Super Tuesday 58% hypnotic language. Complete mastery of the language, including highly abstract pacing and leading language for creating emotion and motivation. In addition to the language patterns, he is fantastic at going higher up in level of abstraction beyond details, while still managing to sound relevant. He uses Ericksonian-style language patterns, including presuppositions and nominalizations extensively.

This is only a sample of 500 words from a single speech, but as you can see, Obama tops the crowd using nearly 60% hypnotic language patterns. In my opinion, this is purposeful language, likely written by a very skilled speech writer — perhaps someone trained in Neuro-Linguistic Programming or Hypnosis.. Another website also provides similar commentary.163...

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