Pro and Con 1443

Posted 10-30-08

AURORA FORECAST: A solar wind stream is heading for Earth and it could spark a geomagnetic storm when it arrives on Oct. 28th. Sky watchers around the Arctic Circle should be alert for auroras.

FLASHBACK: One year ago today, on Oct. 24, 2007, Comet 17P/Holmes shocked astronomers when it suddenly exploded, brightening a million-fold to naked-eye visibility. Within three days of the blast, the comet was bigger than Jupiter, and within three weeks it was larger than the sun itself. Spanish photographers Vicent Peris and José Luis Lamadrid recorded this view on Nov. 1, 2007, using little more than a 7-inch telescope

My reply to a post on Five Doves site

Re: GabriDon (28 Oct 2008)
"Is it this year ?"
from Neil Lipken

> > 30 years of Jewish immigration into Palestine ('17 to '47), then 30 years of Israel at war with its neighbors with no peace process going on ('47 to '77), and finally 30 years of a peace process. Why all of these 30 year periods?


> > the Antichrist ( Covenant, Daniel 9:27 ) cannot come forward on the world stage until the Rapture happens first !... Hmmm, the summit is on Nov.27, could we still be on a Rapture watch, well I would like to think so,

> > Is it this year?

I do think we're going to get out of here this year. Do I have a date? Yes! I expect it on Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 15, 2008). Here is the beginning of my post at the top of my home page.






Obama an Early Student of Man Who Dedicated Book on Community Organizing to Satan

By Kathleen Gilbert

Incoming e-mail, Re: day (not hour)

Good work on the latest post Marilyn and just to build on what you have said....

looking at a previous 'rapture' , of Elijah, Kings 2:3 "Do you know that the Lord will take away your master from over you TODAY?"

i.e. they new the day - just not exactly what time!

My reply

Thanks. I've read somewhere, not in Scripture, maybe in the Book of Enoch, that Enoch knew the day too. Agape

Paulson Panics As UK, Germany Find Own Solution

By F. William Engdahl, 10-20-8

...That Lehman Bros. bankruptcy on September 15, was the 'shock heard round the world,' which precipitated a global crisis in banking confidence resulting in the present situation. Whether Paulson and friends calculated the collapse would provide the basis to demand a US-crafted solution to the crisis remains unclear. What is clear, one of the chosen 'winners' in the present US banking reorganization, JP Morgan Chase, played a nasty role in the final push of Lehman Bros. into insolvency the Friday prior to Lehman's Monday declaration of insolvency. JP Morgan Chase had 'mysteriously' withheld a $19 billion transfer that Friday which would have averted the collapse of Lehman Bros. It was an eerie echo of the nasty role played in 1931 by the House of Morgan in relation, then, to the German and European banking crisis.

My reply to a post on Five Doves site, Re: "rapture this year"

From: Peggy McIlveene (25 Oct 2008)

> > the Lord took Noe and his family to safety, then 7 days later, the flood began

I used to think that too, but Gen 7:11-13 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month (Cheshvan), the seventeenth day of the month, THE SAME DAY were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. IN THE SELFSAME DAY (Cheshvan 17) entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark".

> > We hang in there, Tracy, simply because we have no viable alternative. The Lord isn’t tied down to a specific day He can send His Son, so it may happen at just any time… as in the Days of Noe & Lot

Maybe we will enter Heaven on that "selfsame day", Cheshvan 17. The Pre-Trib Rapture is as the days of Noah. He entered the Ark on Cheshvan 17. The Pre-Wrath Rapture is as the days of Lot. I think that will be on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015.

> > the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. (Luke 17:27-30)...

Jesus will be revealed when men see the sign of the Son of man on the Feast of Trumpets.

> > "Hurry, escape there, for I cannot do anything until you arrive there." Therefore the name of the town was called Zoar. (Genesis 19:22) > > So we WILL be removed to safety before judgment is passed.

I agree. I think the Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015. Before God's wrath is poured out on Earth that day, the Tribulation saints will be taken to Heaven. God will wipe away their tears.

That date will be preceded by 7 eclipses, 4 blood Moons and 3 Solar eclipses. Then that very day will be marked by a Solar eclipse.


2014 Apr 15 Total (Nisan 16, 5774) FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS
2014 Oct 8 Total (Tishri 15, 5775) FEAST OF TABERNACLES
2015 Apr 4 Total (Nisan 15, 5775) FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD
2015 Sep 28 Total (Tishri 15, 5776) FEAST OF TABERNACLES


Apr 29, 2014 Total: (Nisan 29, 5774)
Oct 23, 2014 Partial: (Tishri 29, 5775)
Mar 20, 2015 Total: (Adar 29, 5775), EVE OF NISAN 1, FIRST DAY OF SACRED YR

According to Luke 21:25-28, there are to be signs in the Sun, Moon and stars when the Rapture is near. On Sept. 29, 2008, the Eve of Trumpets, there was a gigantic Sun flare as big as several Earths. It followed a long quiet period when there were practically no Sun spots. I did see one just before that. It was odd because it was squarish, looking much like a window.

Subtracting 2520 days (1260 + 1260 or 7 x 360) from Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015) was Tishri 22, 5769 (Oct. 21, 2008) the 8th day of Tabernacles. I think we entered the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 then. That may be the significance of the number 21 that 3 people have seen, David D, Valerie S, and John Tng. David saw a brilliant white 21 in a blue cloud in his living room. That's something to remember.

Preceding that date, we had three blood Moon eclipses (SIGNS), March 3, 2007, Aug. 28, 2007, and Feb 21, 2008. No blood Moons are coming next year, but there will be a total Solar eclipse July 22, 2009. I expect the Pre-Trib Rapture within a 220-day period beginning Oct. 21, 2008, the 8th day of Tabernacles, and ending May 29, 2009 (Sivan 6, 5769) Pentecost.

The 2520 days of the 70th week of Daniel are divided into 220 days, 1040 days, and 1260 days. The last two are the 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14). Thus, there are 220 days + 1040 days in the first half of the 70th week of Daniel. I think the 220 days began on Oct. 21, 2008, and will end on May 29, 2009 (Sivan 6, 5769) Pentecost. I think the Pre-Trib Rapture will take place between these dates.

The first chance that seems obvious is Cheshvan 17, the day Noah entered the Ark and the Lord closed the door. You quoted from Luke 17. The "days of the Son of man" are the 2 Raptures.

In Luke 17:22-37, Jesus said, "The days will come (i.e., the 2 Days of the Son of Man, the 2 Raptures), when ye shall desire to see ONE OF THE DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN (the 1st Rapture), and ye shall not see it (i.e., get left behind the first time). And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day (the Day of the Lord that is also the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture). But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOE, so shall it be also in THE DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK (Cheshvan 17), and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom (probably on the Feast of Trumpets) it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed (i.e., when they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky). In that day (the Day of the Lord), he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that NIGHT there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body (i.e., the Body of Christ) is (i.e., in Heaven), thither will the eagles (the high flying Tribulation saints) be gathered together."

Mark 13:32-37 says, "But of that DAY AND that HOUR knoweth (present tense, i.e., at that time, no man knew) no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the TIME (kairos, set time, a definite fixed time) is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye KNOW NOT when the master of the house COMETH, AT EVEN, OR AT MIDNIGHT, OR AT THE COCKCROWING, OR IN THE MORNING: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

Jesus didn't say that the porter did not know the day he was returning, just the hour.

In Mt 24:34-42 (KJV), Jesus said, "Verily (amen) I say unto you, This generation (i.e., born in 1967) shall not pass (1967 + 48 = 2015), till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that DAY (hemera) AND HOUR (hora) knoweth (present tense, i.e., at that time no man knew) no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. BUT AS THE DAYS OF NOE WERE (he went into the Ark on Cheshvan 17), SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE (i.e., on Cheshvan 17). For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK (Cheshvan 17), And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. THEN (tote, AT THE SAME TIME, i.e., on Cheshvan 17) shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken (paralambano, taken with), and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR (hora) your Lord doth come."

Jesus said "DAY AND HOUR" in verse 36, but only "HOUR" in verse 42. Does that mean that he gave us the DAY in between those two verses? If so, it looks like the Pre-Trib Rapture could take place Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 15, 2008). I'll be watching that day.

President Bush has scheduled a G20 meeting of the world's financial leaders in Washington, DC, on November 15, 2008 (Cheshvan 17). The G20 is a group of 20 developing nations established on Aug. 20, 2003. The UN is supposed to be scheduling another similar meeting to include more nations. This meeting scheduled by Pres. Bush is on top of the meetings in Brazil. The official G20 web site ( says, "Brazil is honored to host the Group of Twenty Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors Meetings in 2008. The G-20 is an important forum to promote dialogue between advanced and emerging countries on key issues regarding economic growth and stability of the financial system".

The day of that extra meeting, Cheshvan 17, the day Noah entered the Ark, just might be the day of the Rapture. That day is Saturday (from Saturn's day in the devil's pagan counterfeit religion), known to the Jews as Shabbat, the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week. Will we go to Saturn, Shabbatai (the 7th planet), on Shabbat (the 7th day)? We just might.

Josephus, a Pharisee priest, indicated that the lamps on the Temple lampstand stood for the planets, with the Sun among them. In Ant. III. VI. 7, he said that the lampstand "spread itself into as many branches as there are planets, including the sun among them." From west to east, the lamps represented (1) the Sun (the western lamp that was to be kept burning), (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter and (7) Saturn, the eastern lamp.

In II Cor. 12:2-4, Paul was caught up to the "third heaven", but he didn't want to boast. He said, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up (harpazo, as in I Thess. 4:16, i.e., raptured) to the third heaven ([1] Mars, [2] Jupiter and [3] Saturn). And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into PARADISE (formerly in the Earth, but now in Heaven), and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities." Jesus took the contents of PARADISE to Heaven on Resurrection Day. He could not be touched until he returned later that same day.

We are to be caught up to the place where Jesus' throne is located. In Eze. 1:1, 26-28, Ezekiel saw visions of God, and of a man (Jesus, both God and man) sitting on a sapphire throne in the heavens.

The blue sapphire is September's birthstone (and Jesus' birthstone). Sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. Mt. Sinai also represented Heaven, and the Lord's feet were on a platform of sapphire at Mt. Sinai. Ex. 24:10 says, "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his (or its) clearness."

Around the throne in Ezekiel's vision were 7 rings like a rainbow (i.e., rings of 7 colors, the spectrum, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet). Heaven, Saturn, has a halo made up of 7 rings. Agape

When they leave out God, they can't figure out how the Earth was formed
The Sun represented a critical missing piece of this isotopic puzzle. Cosmochemists assume that whatever atoms populate the solar wind must be representative of what's in the Sun itself and therefore a sample of the raw mix from which the planets formed. So would the Sun's oxygen ratios match those of Earth or of the ancient meteorites? The very framework of planetary formation hung in the balance.

At the 39th annual Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston, Texas, Kevin McKeegan (UCLA) announced that the Sun has proportionately far more oxygen-16, relative to oxygen-17 and -18, than is present in terrestrial seawater. There's a serious mismatch. Instead, the solar ratios follow the same trend seen in primitive meteorites.

Suddenly, Earth is the odd planet out. “We had little idea what the Sun's ratios should be,” McKeegan told me after his presentation. Now, he says, there's “no plausible model” to make Earth with the oxygen ratios it exhibits. “It's always been a challenge to supply Earth with the water it has. And now we're wondering how it got the rocks it has.”

Incoming e-mail, Re: Thank you for your work

Thanks, Marilyn. I’m excited by your discovery. I’ll be watching for the Lord on Cheshvan 17. Your brother...

My reply

Thanks. Among other things, I've been trying to find this out for 48 years, studying as hard as I can go, and can hardly believe I missed something so obvious. I read at least 17 versions of the Bible, practically every word except the begats, and have never let up studying it. I think I have 12 Bibles on eSword right now. How could I miss something I should have seen by the second time around? I knew that Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things" in Mark 13:23. I knew it was there and couldn't find it.

Then, I found out how the 7th week of Daniel 9:27 and the 2300-day shortened Tribulation both end in a photo finish on the Feast of Trumpets in 2015. I tried every way I could think of to drop that into another slot in time. Nothing worked. So, I thought it seemed reasonable to think the Raptures would be at the beginning and end of the 70th week of Daniel. Nope on the first one. I thought, well there's Cheshvan 17, Hannukah and Pentecost. Of course, Pentecost looked attractive. Song of Solomon 2:10-14 and Isa. 18 sound like it could be in the spring, and our daughter's birthday will be on Pentecost in 2009, as it was in 30 AD. I'm led to pay attention to that since our son was born on Crucifixion Day in 30 AD.

Next thing, I reread the Olivet Discourse in Mt. 24 while answering an email. This time, it hit me in a flash. He didn't say that no one would know the day or hour in verse 42, just that we did not know the hour. That meant that in between verses 36 and 42, he told us the day. How utterly simple, and so easy it was hard to find. Agape

My reply to a post on Five Doves site

Re: Jerry Grenough (28 Oct 2007)
"Barack Obama - Mideast Peace"

> > Next there is the matter of the second Abomination which causes Desolation (AOD), which Jesus indicated would be the clear signal of who the AC will be. Recall in Revelation 2:13 that the provincial city of Pergamum is called the “seat, or throne, of Satan.” That phrase seems odd there, almost a non sequiter. But perhaps God was providing an acid test of the AC for us.

> > Hitler gave a series of mesmerizing speeches to the assembled masses. It was a coming out party of a sort, where the world realized this was no ordinary politician. He seemed imbued with an almost hypnotic ability to say nothing in particular, but in a way which enraptured the youth. And he did it while speaking from a replica of Berlin’s most famous ancient museum piece: The Temple of Pergamum, aka The Temple of Zeus, aka The Throne of Satan.

> > So did BHO (Obama) visit the Museum of the Temple of Pergamum in Berlin while he was there? Presumably he did. As his hosts showed off their city, surly they must have taken him to their famous museum. Did he see it? If so, did he receive any spiritual signals, or any power, or any anointing from the Throne of Satan, like perhaps Hitler and Antiochus before him? We do not know.

> > So, curiously, Obama chose to deliver his rousing political coming-out speech to the assembled, mostly youthful, masses from a replica of the Throne of Satan, just like Hitler had done many decades ago.

Thanks for your interesting information. I didn't know Obama spoke in Berlin, or about the Pergamon Museum, which I found out about in my search on the Internet. I often find interesting things on the way to looking up something else. This was one of those times. I thought you might be interested in what turned up.

First, on youTube, I listened to Obama's entire speech.
He spoke to over 200,000 people in Tiergarten, a large central park in the heart of Berlin.
Barack Obama Hosts German Campaign Stop For World Presidency--UPDATED July 23, 2008 / 12:14 am • By Dr. Melissa Clouthier

The Guardian reports this: "The centrepiece of the European leg of Obama’s visit will be his Berlin speech. Liberal and conservative politicians in Germany expressed consternation that Obama plans to address the crowds from beneath the golden angel statue which graces Berlin’s Siegessäule, a landmark which Hitler moved to its present location as part of his bid to transform Berlin into the world capital Germania.

“For him [Hitler] it was the symbol of German supremacy and victory against Denmark, Austria and France,” Rainer Brüdele of the liberal FDP party told the Bild am Sonntag. “It makes me wonder if Barack Obama was correctly advised in using the victory column as the location to talk on his vision for global cooperation.”

I found out that the altar from Pergamos was rebuilt inside of the Pergamon Museum in Berlin.

"In the 1880's, about 100 years ago, a German archaeologist working in the city of Pergamum removed that throne, that Satanic seat, from the hillside and took it to Europe. Today it is visible yet in the Pergamum Museum in...East Berlin".
"The Pergamon Museum (German: Pergamonmuseum) is among the museums on Museum Island in Berlin. The site was designed by Alfred Messel and Ludwig Hoffmann and was built from 1910 to 1930. The Pergamon houses original-sized, reconstructed monumental buildings such as the Pergamon Altar, the Market Gate of Miletus, and the Ishtar Gate, all consisting of parts transported from the original excavation sites".
"Museum Island (German: Museumsinsel) in Berlin, Germany is the name of the northern half of the Spreeinsel, an island in the Spree river in the centre of the city...

"The final museum of the complex was constructed in 1930, it was the Pergamon Museum, . The museum contains multiple reconstructed immense and historically significant buildings such as the Pergamon Altar and the Ishtar Gate of Babylon. In 1999, the museum complex was added to the UNESCO list of World Heritage Sites
"The "Giants" depicted on the outer parts of the throne. Note the snake like tail."

"Pergamon. The temple was dedicated to the greek god Zeus. The Pergamon Altar was shipped out of the Ottoman Empire from the original excavation site by the German archeological team lead by Carl Humann, and reconstructed in the Pergamon Museum in Berlin in the 19th century, where it can be seen alongside other monumental structures such as the Ishtar Gate from Babylon"

My question is, does this represent Satan's throne? Shouldn't that be in Rome instead of Berlin?

I remembered that Pergamos was willed to Rome by Attalus III in 133 BC, so I searched for more information on that. What I found ties in with Rev 13:1, It says, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy." The name of blasphemy is Pontifex Maximus. It was first used by Nimrod at the Tower of Babel, and has been used by the leaders of the empires of Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece and Rome.
"In the late fourth century (382 AD), after the Eastern emperor Theodosius established Greco-Roman Christianity as the official religion of the empire, the Western Emperor Gratian renounced the title of Pontifex Maximus (he was the also last of the emperors to hold that title). Almost immediately afterwards, the bishops of Rome took the term and have used it ever since.

"Since “Pontifex Maximus” was a pagan title signifying the greatest (maximus) bridge-builder (pontifex) between mortals and the gods, it seems that when the Roman bishops started to refer to themselves this way that it was clear to the faithful of the true Church that this could only be done by one who so exalted himself like the “man of sin” the Apostle Paul had warned about (see 2 Thessalonians 2".

"After the death of Belshazzar in 539 B.C., the Persian Emperor Cyrus conquered Babylon and forced the Babylonian princes to flee to Pergamum. They continued their reign there as priest-kings of Babylonian paganism. In 133 B.C., Attalus III, the last Babylonian King to rule in Pergamum, willed his dominions to the Roman Caesar, and the kingdom of Pergamum merged with the Roman Empire along with Satan-Nimrod’s throne and the title “Pontifex Maximus.”...

"Thus, the Roman emperors, like the preceding Babylonian emperors, now served as priests of Babylonian paganism, and bore the title Pontifex Maximus.

"For centuries, Pergamum remained the site of Nimrod’s throne. With the appearance of Christianity, Babylonian paganism threatened the early Christian church of Pergamum as related in the Revelation given by Jesus to His Apostle John, who referred to Pergamum as the seat of Satan’s throne which is Nimrod’s throne...

"In 376 A.D., Gratian became the first Roman emperor to refuse the idolatrous title of Pontifex Maximus. He presented the Babylonian Throne, or Satan-Nimrod’s Throne to the bishop of Rome.

"By this time, the Roman bishops had advanced in political power, and in 378 A.D., Bishop Damasus was elected Pontifex Maximus, becoming the official pagan Babylonian priest seated on Satan’s throne in Rome. As such, the bishop converted the pagan Babylonian temples of Rome into Trinitarian Christian churches and introduced the worship of Nimrod, Semiramis and the god-incarnate son (i.e., Tammuz) under the respective titles of “god the father,” “god the son” and “god the holy spirit.” All the pomp and ceremony that existed in ancient Babylon was now practiced as Roman Trinitarian Christianity.

"Before the Babylonian conversion into Trinitarian Christianity, the early Christians were a small cult surrounded by numerous Babylonian pagan temples. Historians, however, relate the amazing “overnight” conversion of Romans to Trinitarian Christianity, which coincided to a remarkable and unprecedented disappearance of paganism. In actuality, the Roman pagans did not convert to Trinitarian Christianity; but rather, Bishop Damasus exercised his authority as head of Babylonian paganism in Rome, and replaced all the Christian elders with pagan priests and continued the practice of the pagan Babylonian Mystery religion under the name of Trinitarian Christianity. Henceforth, all the bishops of Rome have donned the robes of Nimrod along with the title of Pontifex Maximus."

This ties in with Rev 17:5, 10-14. Referring to the time of the Rapture, it says, "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH...And there are seven kings: five are fallen (the leaders of the Tower of Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece and Imperial Rome), and one is (Ecclesiastical Rome), and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not (i.e., Satan), even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition (the False Prophet). And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they (i.e., those just caught up in the Rapture) that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Get ready, the Rapture is near. Agape

My reply to a post on Five Doves

Bruce Warner (30 Oct 2008)
"TO: Marilyn Agee RE: Mark 13:23"

> > Dear Marilyn,
> > GOOD ONE!!!!! How could we ALL have missed that one???

I knew it was there, and it only took me 48 years to figure it all out. Agape

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