Pro and Con 1447

Posted 11-13-08

Incoming e-mail, Re: Mysterious glowing aurora over Saturn confounds scientists

I hope you have seen this!

By Daily Mail Reporter, 13th November 2008

...The blueish-green glow was found over the ringed planet's north polar region just like Earth's northern lights....

'We've never seen an aurora like this elsewhere,' said Tom Stallard, a scientist working with Cassini data at the University of Leicester.

'This aurora covers an enormous area across the pole. Our current ideas on what forms Saturn's aurora predict that this region should be empty, so finding such a bright aurora here is a fantastic surprise.'

My reply

Thinking like you, several made sure I saw this one, and I do appreciate every one. I wouldn't want to miss it.

The article talks about the blue-green glow, but what about the red? It's all mysterious.

You might enjoy these. In the first, look how tiny the Earth looks from Saturn.



Rev 4:6 says, "And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal".


Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."


Our Galaxy's Central Molecular Zone

Credit: A. Ginsburg (U. Colorado - Boulder) et al., BGPS Team, GLIMPSE II Team
The central region of our Milky Way known as the Central Molecular Zone. While much of the extended emission is due to dense gas laced with molecules, also seen are emission nebulas lit up by massive young stars, glowing supernova remnants, and the curving Galactic Center Radio Arc in's esthetic beauty won first prize this year in the AUI/NRAO Image Contest

Incoming e-mail, Re: Rapture

With reference to your texts in the site I am sending the following comments (already sent to others e-mails found in the site).

I begin asking you to excuse my poor English.

I read part of the site:

A mistake is made when the rapture is supposed to happen before the tribulation. According to the Bible, the rapture will happen in the last day, the day of the end of the world, after the resurrection of the deads that are saved and not before or within the tribulation.

Before the end of the world in the last day, God should install on the earth the kingdom we ask in Our Father prayer: Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. The kingdom of God is incompatible with de kingdom of the man. So, before installing his kingdom on the earth, God should destroy the kingdom of the man, or destroy all what has been built by the man. In the destruction made by God, great part of human beings will die. The survivals will undergo the tribulation, because they will have to survive without the help of the houses, the energies and the equipment built by man that have been destroyed by God. After the tribulation, God will install his kingdom on the earth: Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

After the new heavens and new earth, in the last day, will come the end of the world: John 6:54 Who so eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. The rapture will happen, in the last day, after the resurrection of the persons that have been saved.
In the last day, which will not last more then twelve hours otherwise it will not be a day, will happen the following phenomena:

1. The return of Jesus in glory ( 1Thessalonians 4,13-17)

2. The resurrection of the deads saved (1Thessalonians 4,13-17).

3. The resurrection of the person on earth without undergoing the physical dead (1Corinthians 15,51-54).

4. The rapture of the two groups resurrected – items 2 and 3 above – (1Thessalonians 4,13-17).

5. The fall of fire send by God to destroy the vegetal and animal lives (2 Peter 3,10-12).

6. The resurrection of the damneds (john 5,27-29).

7. The final judgment (Mathew 19,27-28 + Mathew 25.31-46).

1. Thessalonians 4,13-17
1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

2. 1Corinthians 15,51-54

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

3. 2Peter,3,10-12
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2 Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

4. John 5,27-29
John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

5. Mathew 19,27-28
Matthew 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

6. Mathew 25,31-46
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Matthew 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Matthew 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Matthew 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Matthew 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Matthew 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

1. The rapture will last only the time needed to exterminate the vegetal e animal lives. Immediately after, the group will return to earth for the judgment.

2. “ the least of these my brethren”. These concerned brethren are not the poors. The least brethren of Jesus are the ones who consecrated their lives to preach the gospel. In the last judgment, the humanity will be divided into tree groups: a) the brethren of Jesus around him; b) the saved (the sheep) in his right hand; c) the damned (the goats) in his left.

If something will happen between Set 29 and Oct.1/ 2008 it will not have to do with the rapture which is a phenomenon related to the end of the world in the last day.

My reply

> > A mistake is made when the rapture is supposed to happen before the tribulation. According to the Bible, the rapture will happen in the last day, the day of the end of the world, after the resurrection of the deads that are saved and not before or within the tribulation.

I don't think the Pre-Trib Rapture is a mistake. In Luke 21:36, Jesus himself said, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

The word translated ESCAPE is the Greek "ekpheugo." In Thayer's Greek Definitions, it means "1) to flee out of, flee away 1a) to seek safety in flight 1b) to escape. To me, that means that the Bride of Christ, the ones accounted worthy to escape ALL these things, will escape in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

I Thess. 4:13-18 is the first-trump Rapture. I Cor. 15:51-54 is the "last trump" Rapture.

There will be resurrections from the dead at both Raptures. I Thess. 4:16,17 tells us about the resurrection at the first Rapture. Dan. 12:1,2 tells us about the resurrection at the last Rapture. It says, "And at that time (when the False Prophet shall come to his end, Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

Luke 21:25-28 says, "And there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring (as in a hurricane's storm surge or as in a tsunami caused by an earthquake in the sea bottom); Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

We saw Jupiter hit by 21 pieces of a comet that split apart. The first hit was on Av 9, the day Solomon's and Herod's temples were set on fire. We have had a great hurricane named Katrina flood the city of New Orleans, USA. We have had great tsunamis in the Indian Ocean area. If I remember right, 200,000 people died in that disaster. That got the attention of the whole world.

Blood Moons, total Lunar eclipses, are seen as bed news for Israel. There was a blood Moon July 16, 2000, while Clinton, Barak and Arafat were attending the Middle East Summit at Camp David, USA.

There were 2 blood Moons last year, Mar 3 and Aug 28. This year, we had a blood Moon Feb 21 and a total Solar Eclipse Aug. 1.

Just lately, we had an extremely large CME, coronal mass ejection, from the Sun. It was larger than several Earths.

The amazing Comet Holmes suddenly exploded on Oct. 24, 2007, brightening a million-fold. In three days it was bigger than Jupiter. In three weeks it was bigger than the Sun. It was the 3rd comet since 1995 to cross in or very near the variable star Algol, the star called Rosh Satan, the head of Satan, by the Hebrews and the Demon Star by the Arabs, supposed to be the most malevolent star in the heavens. Algol, also called the eye of Satan by many, is in the Medusa's head severed by Perseus. Like the 3rd strike and you're out, Comet Holmes crossed Algol near January 23rd, 2008. The comets Hale-Bopp and Hyakutake crossed Algol a year apart, April 11th, 1996 and April 11th, 1997. Their paths formed a nearly perfect cross.

The GRB 080319B of March 19, 2008 in Bootes, meaning "He Comes," was the brightest object ever detected. The 2nd of 5 that day, that terrific optical flash from halfway across the universe not only shattered the record for the most distant object that could be seen with the naked eye but also set a new record for the most GRBs seen in one day.

Gamma Ray Burst GRB 080408 in Gemini April 8, 2008. The two figures in Gemini represent Christ, the Bridegroom and his Bride.

On Sept. 30, 2008, a spectacular burning fireball was seen over the Oklahoma panhandle. That was the Feast of Trumpets and the day the Dow ended at -777. Surely these were signs.

I think we are living in the 70th week of Daniel 9:27. It looks like it started Oct. 21, 2008, but we will be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture before the 2300-day shortened Tribulation begins, probably on next Pentecost, May 29, 2009.

In Mt. 24:37, Jesus said, "as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Noah entered the Ark on Cheshvan 17, which is Nov. 15 in 2008. I'm hoping for the Pre-Trib Rapture at that time.

> > The rapture will last only the time needed to exterminate the vegetal e animal lives. Immediately after, the group will return to earth for the judgment.

The Judgment Seat of Christ will take place in Heaven at the same time that the asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 hit Earth.

Rev 11:15-19 says, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." Agape

Peres: Arab peace plan - a serious opening for real progress


The proposal, initiated by Saudi Arabia in 2002 and ratified by Arab foreign ministers last year in Damascus, offers pan-Arab recognition of Israel in exchange for Israel's withdrawal from Arab lands captured in 1967.

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