Pro and Con 1451

Posted 11-20-08

Both of these patterns are seen in Saturn's strange auroras at the north pole

Saturn's hexagon

Saturn's aurora

...The previously recorded (2007 April 3), also-strange hexagon cloud patterns are visible in red below the aurora. These Saturnian aurora can cover the entire pole, while auroras around Earth and Jupiter are typically confined by magnetic fields to rings surrounding the magnetic poles. More normal auroral rings had been previously imaged around Saturn. The recently imaged strange auroras above Saturn's north pole can change their global patterns significantly in only a few minutes. The large and variable nature of these auroras indicate that charged particles streaming in from the Sun are experiencing some type of magnetism above Saturn that was previously unexpected.

Jehoash Tablet

Jehoash Inscription: Five Scholars Claim Authentic,_tb090705049-784039.JPG&imgrefurl=

Nov 14, 08...Two types of patina cover the tablet: a thin layer of black to orange iron-oxide-rich layer, a product of micro-biogenic processes, and a light beige patina that contains feldspars, carbonate, iron oxide, subangular quartz grains, carbon ash particles and gold globules (1 to 4 micrometers [1 micrometer = 0.001 millimeter] in diameter). The patina covers the rock surface as well as the engraved lettering grooves and blankets and thus post-dates the incised inscription as well as a crack that runs across the stone and several of the engraved letters. Radiocarbon analyses of the carbon particles in the patina yield a calibrated radiocarbon age of 2340 to 2150 Cal BP. The presence of microcolonial fungi and associated pitting in the patina indicates slow growth over many years. The occurrence of pure gold globules is evidence of a thermal event in close proximity to the tablet (above 1000 degrees Celsius). This study supports the antiquity of the patina, which in turn, strengthens the contention that the inscription is authentic.

Secret 'peace talks' exposed

Israel, Palestinians still attempting major pact before January
By Aaron Klein, Nov 20, 08

Incoming e-mail, Re: article on rfid chip

I found this article while looking for some verification on the RFID chip. God bless you.
here's the beginning of the article:
Israeli Citizens to Receive RFID Chips in the Hand?

By now, perhaps many of you may have already received an email from Aviad Cohen telling you that Israel has recently passed a law that is going to soon make it mandatory that all Israelis must receive an RFID chip implant in their hand. Aviad was merely passing along to you some alleged information that was initially published on Friday November 14, 2008 in the Israeli Hebrew edition Newspaper Maariv in their End of the Week Review of stories (Sof Shavua).

I met with Aviad personally to discuss the matter that he presented to the public and to also have a physical look at the article in the paper. Also, Dina studied it. The gist of the 5 page article, as it appears in the Hebrew edition of the paper is this: the story is in fact about a new regulation that is going to require that RFID chips be carried by Israelis; however, the chip will be put into our Israeli National ID, NOT IMPLANTED INTO THE HAND. Aviad misunderstood the information in the article and he feels very bad about circulating his original story and deeply apologizes for creating such a stir. It was an innocent oversight on his part and he wants everyone to know that he will try to be more careful the next time.

Incoming e-mail, Re: "7 years"

We know from Daniel 9:27 that the exact midpoint of the 70th week will be displayed by the abomination. It is also "marked" by the 7th trumpet...

How long after the 7th vial before the second coming? Jesus said, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." So how long is immediately? Perhaps a week or two. I doubt if it would be a month.

My reply

> > We know from Daniel 9:27 that the exact midpoint of the 70th week will be displayed by the abomination. It is also "marked" by the 7th trumpet

You are right about the abomination of desolation being at the middle of the 70th week of Daniel 9:27. However, I don't see how the 7th trumpet can mark the middle of the Tribulation. It obviously marks the end.

To me, all 7 trumpets sound on one day, the Day of God's Wrath, the end of the shortened Tribulation, probably on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015).
That day, they are to sound an alarm on the trumpets. Joel 2:1 says, "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and SOUND AN ALARM in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand".

Jer 49:2 says, "Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will cause AN ALARM OF WAR to be heard in Rabbah of the Ammonites; and it shall be a desolate heap, and her daughters shall be burned with fire: then shall Israel be heir unto them that were his heirs, saith the LORD."

Nu. 10:9 says, "And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall BLOW AN ALARM WITH THE TRUMPETS; and ye shall be remembered before the LORD your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies."

Nu. 10:7 says, "But when the congregation (qahal, assembly, i.e., Heb. 12:23) is to be gathered together, ye shall blow, but ye shall not sound an alarm." The Pre-Wrath Rapture is the "last trump" of I Cor. 15:51,52. This last trump is not an alarm, but the alarm follows the 2nd Rapture.

Blood Moons, Total Lunar Eclipses, are considered a bad sign for Israel. God has arranged for there to be 4 Blood Moons in the unusual Lunar tetrad of 2014 and 2015. I think these mark the end of this age.

2014, Apr 15 (5774, Nisan 15) the Feast of Unleavened Bread
2014, Oct 08 (5775, Tishri 14) the Eve of Tabernacles
2015, Apr 04 (5775, Nisan 15) the Feast of Unleavened Bread
2015, Sept 28 (5776, Tishri 15) the Feast of Tabernacles

There also is a Solar tetrad. The last eclipse of this tetrad will be on our Sept. 13, 2015. However, it is after 6 PM. Therefore, it will be on the Jewish Tishri 1, 5776, the Feast of Trumpets that seems to be the very Day of God's Wrath. This is the day when the Sun will be darkened and the Moon will not give her light, so the correlation is good.

In Rev. 6:17, the Day of God's Wrath has come. In Rev. 7:14, we see the Tribulation saints in Heaven. In Rev. 8, there is silence while the Judge (Christ) is seated at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Only after that, are the 7 trumpets given to the 7 angels.

The 7 trumpets come out of the 7th seal, and the 7 vials come out of the 7th trumpet. If you held 7 short fat tubes in your hands, and drew around them on paper, you would probably end up with 6 tubes in a circle with a 7th tube in the center. Draw another circle surrounding them all, and you have a circle clock. Number them 1-6 around the circle. Those represent the 6 seals. Remember that the center circle is number 7, but draw another smaller circle clock inside number 7. Those are the 7 trumpets. Inside the 7th-trumpet circle in the center draw another circle clock. Those are the vials.

Now, thinking about the circle-clock organization, it is easy to remember that the 7 trumpets come out of the 7th seal, and the vials come out of the 7th trumpet.

> > How long after the 7th vial before the second coming? Jesus said, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." So how long is immediately? Perhaps a week or two. I doubt if it would be a month.

I don't know how long between the 7th vial and the Second Coming.

Rev 16:17-21 says, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

However, there are 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." He will be glorified at the Second Advent.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Check out Was the Aksa Mosque built over the remains of a Byzantine church?

Was the Aksa Mosque built over the remains of a Byzantine church? | Israel |
Jerusalem Post

Marilyn, this article is very interesting. It states that Mr. Hamilton found remains of a mikveh under the Aksa Mosque. If the Aksa Mosque was built over the site of the Second Temple, how could a mikveh be there? My understanding is that the Jews had to immerse themselves in a mikveh before setting foot on Temple grounds.

Watching and listening for the shout of our Lord Jesus Christ. Love

My reply

Thanks much for sending this to me. I'm very interested in things found on the Temple Mount.

I think the Temple was located between Al Aksa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock. There was a mikvah underground for the use of the High Priest. He had to immerse himself in it before going into the Holy of Holies on the Day of Atonement. It had to be filled with spring water, and that came in via the aqueduct which entered the Temple Mount north of the Wailing Wall and slanted south to the Great Sea Cistern (the largest cistern on the Temple Mount).

I don't know if the mikvah under the Aksa Mosque was part of the Temple area though.

If you go to this Hebrew web site: (which I can't read), you will find excellent pictures of the Byzantine floor, cisterns, even the recently found foundation of the perimeter wall of the Temple court. Kaufman, who thinks the Temple was north of the Dome of the Rock, and Ritmeyer, who thinks it was over the Dome of the Rock, were mentioned. Tuvia Sagiv was not mentioned, and he is the one who I think correctly placed the Temple between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aksa Mosque.

Below are some other insteresting sites.
..."the Wakf's construction and repair work carried out between 1938 and 1942, Hamilton excavated under the mosque's piers, and documented all his work related to the mosque in The Structural History of the Aqsa Mosque. "Hamilton also uncovered the Byzantine mosaic floor and beneath it a mikva (ritual bath) from the Second Temple period, which he pointedly did not include in the publication about the mosque, but instead photographed and labeled in a file about the mosque, archeologist Zachi Zweig said on Sunday.

"Zweig uncovered the photographs in the British archeological archives that are kept at the Antiquities Authority in Jerusalem."

"The earthquake of 748 severely damaged the mosque which was subsequently rebuilt by the Abbasid caliphs al-Mansur (759) and al-Mahdi (775). The mosque of al-Mahdi had a raised central aisle leading to the mihrab in front of which he built a wooden dome; either side of the central aisle were seven side-aisles. An earthquake of 1033 destroyed the mosque and it was once again rebuilt by the Fatimid caliph al-Zahir in 1035."
Aqsa Mosque:;ISL;pa;Mon01;3;en

Date of the monument...AD 685–715

Built in the Umayyad period; renovated in the Abbasid, Fatimid, Ayyubid, Mamluk and Ottoman periods...

The first stages of construction of the Aqsa Mosque are associated with the Caliph 'Umar bin al-Khattab ...AD 634–44...

Nothing tangible remains of the original mosque, known as the Masjid al-'Umari, since it was renovated at the beginning of...AD 685...

During the Crusader period the Aqsa Mosque was converted into a church. A large recess was added in the eastern side, corresponding to the layout of churches facing the east. The recess remains to this day.
Was the Aksa Mosque built over the remains of a Byzantine church?By ETGAR LEFKOVITSJerusalem Post Nov 16, 2008

"We were very surprised by the discovery of such a mosaic on the Temple Mount," Talgam said, noting that it contradicted the testimony of pilgrims who described the site as deserted in the Byzantine period and was also unlikely to have been part of the earliest mosque at the site, in the Early Islamic period, since that structure was made of wood. "The simple mosaic pictured does not give us a hint that it was certainly part of a church but it very well could have been part of a hostel or some other nondescript structure," she said. Since the establishment of the state, no archeological excavations have been held on the Temple Mount, in keeping with religious sensitivities of both Muslims and Jews. "It is hard to establish with certainty that this was indeed the site of a church, but without a doubt it served as a public building and was likely either a church or a monastery," Barkay said. He called the discovery of the photographs in the British archives both a "sensational" and "important" find. "This changes the whole history of the Temple Mount during the Byzantine period as we knew it," he said.
New Information from Various Temple Mount Digs from the Last Decade
Zachi Zweig

...Among the finds retrieved from these photographs there are: A Byzantine mosaic floor under the Umayyad level of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, A Second Temple period ritual bath (Miqveh) at the eastern most entrance to the present mosque, two large cisterns under the Double Passage, a rock-cut passage with a descending staircase under the Double Passage, a lintel with a (Hebrew\Aramic?) inscription at the entrance of the rock-cut passage, and various architectural remains seen in the depth of the pits excavated under the mosque piers.

Under the Israeli control upon the Temple Mount a few large scale digs took place which revealed substantial finds. Among them are: A pre-Herodian massive wall near the northeastern corner of the raised platform (1970), ancient floor levels under the dome of the chain (1975), small walls located at the edge of the banks of the fosse north-west to the raised platform (1979), a huge substructure that connects the double passage with the passage of the triple gate (1977-2001), An Early Islamic – Medieval vaulted structure north of the eastern most vault of the Solomon’s Stables (1999), remnants of an ancient wall near the north edge of the raised platform (2007), ancient fills (probably from the Second Temple period) north and east to the raised platform (2007), REMNANTS OF A WALL LOCATED EAST OF THE RAISED PLATFORM AND SOUTH OF THE EASTERN STAIRCASE (2007), a cluster of First Temple period finds near the south eastern corner of the raised platform (2007), fragments of Umayyad pavement east to the Al-Aqsa mosque (2007), and many finds found out of context and could help to better understand the history of the Temple Mount. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Marilyn question

I so long for the Lords return for us. It is selfish I know because I was laid off from work and yet know that there are still souls to be won.

I keep thinking of something. There is only one book in the entire Bible that is solely devoted to a wedding. In the Song of Solomon I think there are the most clear cut clues to the first rapture. I wanted the rapture to be at Rosh Hashanah and again at the date of Noah's flood. I was selfish perhaps. The more I consider it, I think it won't be until Spring like the Song of Solomon shows. I very much hope I am wrong. I hope He comes for us much sooner. Yet, I see that there is only one book that is entirely devoted to the choosing, wooing, and wedding of the bride.

Lets all keep looking up.

My reply

> > I so long for the Lords return for us.

We do too.

I wonder about the Song of Solomon too, especially 2:10-14. That is so obviously spring. Winter is over and gone. The migrating turtledoves are in Israel from April to October.

That passage is why I thought the Rapture would be on Pentecost. However, it seems that the Rapture has to tie in with the days of Noah.

Song 3:11 is easier. It says, "Go forth, O ye daughters of Zion (the 144,000 Israelites of Rev. 7), and behold king Solomon (son of David, type of Christ) with the crown wherewith his mother crowned him in the day of his espousals (chathunnah, marriage), and in the day of the gladness of his heart."

I think this is talking about Tishri 1, 5776, the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015. This will be a day like no other - ever. It will be Jesus' Coronation Day, the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Marriage of the Lamb in Heaven. On Earth, it will be the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the Day of the Lord and the Day of God's Wrath. Agape

My reply to a post on Five Doves site, Re: Lee Rand (14 Nov 2008) "Psalm 83 -When?"

> > Gog/Magog war. Any thoughts on when it will occur or has it? I think it's the next war in the middle east

It has to be at the end of the 2300-day shortened Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14). Eze. 38:18-22 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8-10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL TO THE GROUND."

This is the day the towers fall. Isa 30:25 says, "And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall." The first asteroid, the one in Rev. 8:8, will hit the Mediterranean Sea. There will be tsunamis.

The 2nd asteroid, Wormwood, Satan's home, will destroy Babylon. The Earth will be turned upside down. Imagine what would happen to the seas. Isa 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

Let's see, what does Psa 83:1-18 say? "Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and LET US CUT THEM OFF FROM BEING A NATION; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah. DO UNTO THEM AS UNTO THE MIDIANITES; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison: Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth. Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna: Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession. O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind. As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire; So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD. Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." Joshua 10:11-14 is a good type of what will happen when the 2 Asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 impact Earth. Joshua's Long Day was the forerunner of Jesus' Long Day.

Joshua 10:11-14 says, "And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN UPON THEM UNTO AZEKAH, AND THEY DIED: THEY WERE MORE WHICH DIED WITH HAILSTONES THAN THEY WHOM THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL SLEW WITH THE SWORD. Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, SUN, STAND THOU STILL UPON GIBEON, AND THOU, MOON, IN THE VALLEY OF AJALON. AND THE SUN STOOD STILL, AND THE MOON STAYED, UNTIL THE PEOPLE HAD AVENGED THEMSELVES UPON THEIR ENEMIES. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel."

Jesus, from the Greek, is Joshua from the Hebrew. Jesus' Long Day will be as it was on Joshua's Long Day. On both long days, the Lord fights for Israel. ZecH. 14:1-3 says, "Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I WILL GATHER ALL NATIONS (the UN?) AGAINST JERUSALEM TO BATTLE; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle."

The Lord will throw down 2 large asteroids (Rev. 8:8-11), plus many 100 lb. rocks and a flurry of small rocks released when a binary asteroid breaks apart at the Roche Limit. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Cheshvan 17 Question

I think you and I have something in common Marilyn.

I think we both want to Raptured very badly. I know that is certainly true for me.

I know people who want to argue that the Rapture will not occur until either the middle or the end of the Tribulation, and I am ALWAYS looking to prove them wrong. Their biggest argument is the Olivet Discourse but I contend that Jesus was addressing Israel and not the church. Never-the-less, I am consumed with watching for His return. One thing that everyone seems to have in common is that this new sabbatical cycle is certainly Daniel's Seventieth Week.

My reply

> > I think we both want to Raptured very badly.

That's right. I will be 80 Dec. 13. Ed is 83, and can barely walk. He's almost house bound, but not quite. He can still make it to see the Doctor if we start an hour early, or out to eat if it isn't too far. We are ready.

> > Their biggest argument is the Olivet Discourse but I contend that Jesus was addressing Israel and not the church.

The Olivet Discourse proves that there are two groups to be raptured.

At the end of the Tribulation, the angels gather two groups to the general assembly in Heaven. Of the group already in Heaven, Mt. 24:31 says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER." Here, it doesn't mention anyone being caught up from Earth. These were caught up previously in the Pre-Trib Rapture. We sure have to read it carefully.

Mark 13:27 includes saints from both Heaven and Earth. The latter are the Tribulation saints caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

I am now waiting for the Rapture on Christmas Eve, as you have probably seen on my Home Page. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God"

Thanks for the update. It is much appreciated.

I relate very well to your messages of salvation for one simple fact. The great effort you go to, to seek out those wonderful little gems of truth in the Lords word that we often just read over and miss. I am reminded in that regards to what the Lord said to the Sadducees, the so called experts of those days, when they tried to trap Him with trick questions about heaven and marriage in Math. 22:29. He answered “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God”. That is so often the case today too, with all sorts of “experts” and some of your critics, who do not go to that effort in knowing the scriptures adequately, but criticise and self righteously have a lot to shout about, keeping their followers from the truth.

We have another example of fine detail here from you, possibly relating Dan 5:28 which says, “Thy kingdom is divided". to and referring to the case of Peres and the present political turmoil in the divided state of Israel. People just do not realise how much detail and facts God has provided in His word for us to find if we but make the effort. The closer we get to the moment the more amazing details and treasure we will find.

The wise virgins we are told slept while they waited for the bridegroom to appear. They were vigilant though, excitedly anticipating His arrival every second and making sure their lamps did not go out. We have to do the same.

So I am encouraged each time another possible day of the promised “blessed hope” of the prophets passes by, knowing that I am that much closer to the realisation of that blessed hope than before and that my lamp will still be shining brightly with enthusiasm, overcoming the encroaching darkness of this time. I become all the richer in my quest for the truth in the process. Maranatha, Kindest regards

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. We are steadfastly "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13). "And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us" (Rom 5:5). Agape

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