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Posted 12-21-08p>

Prayer request: Deborah, S. California, well qualified CPA, lost her job, place to live, etc. desperately needs help. If anyone in SOCAL needs a CPA, or anything else she could do, please let me know. I have her email address. She goes to the library to get her email.

Astronomy Picture of the day: "Solstice at Newgrange" (Ireland)

Credit: Photograph by Cyril Byrne - courtesy of The Irish Times

(Dec. 21's) solstice marks the southernmost point of the Sun's annual motion through planet Earth's sky and the astronomical beginning of winter in the north....Newgrange dates to 5,000 years ago, much older than Stonehenge, but also with accurate alignments to the solstice Sun. In this view from within the burial mound's inner chamber, the first rays of the solstice sunrise are passing through a box constructed above the entrance and shine down an 18 meter long tunnel to illuminate the floor at the foot of a decorated stone. The actual stone itself would have been directly illuminated by the solstice Sun 5,000 years ago. The long time exposure also captures the ghostly figure of a more modern astronomer in motion.

Two Christmas stars

By Ken Tapping, Dec 16, 2008

THE LATEST DISCOVERY ABOUT STONEHENGE in England is that this great stone circle was PROBABLY NOT BUILT TO RECOGNIZE SUNRISE ON THE SUMMER SOLSTICE. This idea grew from the observation that when standing at the centre of the circle, on the summer solstice one would see the sun rise over what is now called the Heel Stone. Now it seems that THE WINTER SOLSTICE WAS THE IMPORTANT ONE. The Heel Stone was part of a pair, only one of a line of pairs marking a processional way. On the winter solstice, thousands of years ago, priests would lead a procession along that route, seeing the stone circle ahead of them against the blaze of the SETTING SUN....

This year we will have two “Christmas Stars”. In the Southwest after sunset you will see two brilliant starlike objects. One is bright, the other amazingly bright. Actually these are not stars; they are the planets Jupiter and Venus. If you watch them for a while you will see the big difference between how planets look in the sky and how stars do; stars twinkle, whereas planets don’t....

Saturn rises around midnight. The Moon will reach Last Quarter on the 19th.

Ken Tapping is an astronomer with the National Research Council’s Herzberg Institute of Astrophysics, and is based at the Dominion Radio Astrophysical Observatory, Penticton, BC.


Stonehenge is a perfect marker for both Solstices - the midwinter SUNSET can be seen between the uprights, the largest trilithon, and SUNRISE dawns over the magnificent Heel Stone in Summer

Incoming e-mail, Re: prophecy

I just wanted to thank you for your emails. I know you are a busy lady. Please dont ever give up seeking prophecy information. It encourages me. I read something interesting today. The article was talking about the end of the tribulation and the return of christ being in 2018, seventy years after Israel became a nation. The article said that if there are ten years from the rapture till the end then Dec 22 would be a likely date for the rapture. The article reminded everyone that dec 22nd would begin in Israel at sun down on the 21st. It further said regarding est in the U.S. that it would begin at 11am on the 21st. I just found that interesting since you mentioned this date as the next possibility. I already told you that Mary conceived Jesus on that date also.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

I think you are right that Kislev 24 is the date of Jesus' conception. Haggai 2:18,19 makes it clear. It says, "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the FOUNDATION of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. Is the seed (Jesus, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn? (i.e., is Mary pregnant?) yea (YES), as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you."

1Cor 3:11 says, "For other FOUNDATION can no man lay than that is laid, WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST."

> > The article was talking about the end of the tribulation and the return of christ being in 2018, seventy years after Israel became a nation. The article said that if there are ten years from the rapture till the end then Dec 22 would be a likely date for the rapture.

In the Parable of the Fig Tree in Mt.24:32-34, Jesus said, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, as in 1957), and putteth forth leaves (Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, West Bank), ye know that summer is nigh (the Six Day War started June 5; summer started June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the Rapture) is near, even at the doors (symbol of the Rapture in Rev. 3:8). Verily I say unto you, This GENERATION shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

Mt. 1:17 tells us that a GENERATION is 48.33 years. 1967 + 48.33 = 2015 plus 4 months (June, July, Aug., Sept.).

The Feast of Trumpets, which seems to be the Day of God's Wrath is Sept. 14, 2015.

Subtracting 2300 days for the shortened Tribulation of Dan. 8:13,14 (figured by inclusive reckoning because 2300 is a block of time) is May 29, 2009, Pentecost. That seems to be the latest date the Pre-Trib Rapture could take place. Can you see any way that it could be later than that?

< < The article was talking about the end of the tribulation and the return of christ being in 2018, seventy years after Israel became a nation.

Israel didn't grow leaves until she was 19 years old in 1967, and a generation is not 70 years. That is the life-span.

There are 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

For there to be 7 months between the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1 and the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1, that year has to be a Jewish Leap Year with the 13th month. 5776 (2015/2016) is a leap year.

Nisan 1 is the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year, Regnal because Jesus is King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of lords. I think he will be inaugurated on the same day all the other Hebrew kings were inaugurated. What is to be has already been.

For me, the 48.33-year generation and the Jewish Leap Year lock in 5776 (2015/2016) as the last year of the Tribulation. Agape

Danish Arctic research dates Ice Age

The result of a Danish ice drilling project has become the international standard for the termination of the last glacial period. It ended precisely 11,711 years ago....

Kilometres of ice

IT TOOK SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS TO WARM UP THE EARTH and melt the kilometre thick ice caps that covered large parts of the northern hemisphere during the last glacial period and as a result the transition from Ice Age to the current period has lacked a clearly defined point in time.

The answer has now been found in the NordGrip drilling project in Greenland.

“Our new, extremely detailed data from the examination of the ice cores shows that in the transition from the ice age to our current warm, interglacial period the climate shift is so sudden that it is as if a button was pressed”, explains ice core researcher Jørgen Peder Steffensen, Centre for Ice and Climate at NBI at the University of Copenhagen....

My reply to incoming mail, Re: Rapture/Kislev 24

My comments are interspersed and marked ***.

I agree - the 'shaking of the heavens' could be an electromagnetic pulse effect which occurs as a result of the mega-abduction of the believers by Jesus.

***Isa 2:19 says, "And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth." This takes place when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 impact Earth on the Day of God's Wrath.
***Heb 12:25,26 says, "See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."

Kislev 24 is Creation Day (1st day of 8th feast) and Tevet 1 is the 8th day (8th day of Creation Count/Jesus' Conception because +280 gestation is Succoth.

***The Jews think Adam was created on Tishri 1. I think God rested on Tishri 1. The calendar year started on Tishri 1, and continued that way until the Exodus, when Nisan became the first month of the year. I think Kislev 24 is the date of Jesus' conception.

***Haggai 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and UPWARD (maal, above, overhead, exceedingly), from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the FOUNDATION of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. Is the seed (Jesus, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn? (i.e., is Mary pregnant?) yea (YES), as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you."

***1Co 3:11 says, "For other FOUNDATION can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

If Signing is Thursday, Dec. 18 ('08), then +3 is Kislev 24, Sunday - probable Rapture. Dec. 18, Thurs. + 2520 is Thurs, Kislev 1, 2015 +30 days mourning is Tevet 1 Jesus into Temple.
Also, Signing, Dec. 18 + 1260 (a.c. 'keeps covenant' with Israel) + 1260 more is Kislev 1, the Return (Nov. 20, 2015). Signing could also be on Dec. 21 because the mid-trib can be an overlap of 3 days. Elijah & Moses' ministry is 1260 (from Rapture day to a.c.'s 'resurrection' day) and the Petra protec. of the remnant spans from a.c.'s death to Jesus' Return. Thus there is an overlap.

***Today is Dec. 19. I think the 2300-day shortened Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14) will start next Pentecost, May 29, 2009. Moses and Elijah should prophesy from May 29, 2009 to Nov. 8/9, 2012, when the shortened 1040-day shortened Great Tribulation should begin. The 2300 days, figured by inclusive reckoning because it is a block of time, run from Pentecost (May 29, 2009) to Trumpets (Sept. 14, 2015). That Feast of Trumpets seems to be the Day of God's Wrath.

***Just before the 7 trumpets are given to the 7 angels, the second Rapture, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, should take place.

Kislev 1, 2015 is 2300 days past Sat. Av 11 (first Sabbath after Av 9) as well - a likely day for the Jews to take 'revenge' on the worst, Satanic fast day on their calendar and begin Temple Worship.

Tevet 1 is Jesus' Conception Day (the real Christmas) and that is when the Milennium actually begins (30 days after His Return) as He enters the Temple to Reconsecrate it.

***I think Jesus' Conception was on Kislev 24 (Eve of Hanukkah), according to Haggai 2:18,19, and that he was born on the following Tishri 1 (Feast of Trumpets).

God only counts in whole numbers in relation to age. Thus, when Jesus was born, He turned ONE and the count began; so that first year was NOT COUNTED.

***The Jews counted the first year. The baby was said to be one year old the whole first year of his life.

Also, the 7-yr trib is NOT COUNTED (Satan's yrs).

***The 70th week of Daniel 9:27 is counted. It is the 7-year Tribulation before the last half is shortened.

Also the 3 1/2-yr ministry of Jesus is NOT COUNTED (4 yrs - since the count had to extend to Rosh/Yom of his Crucifixion yr) because the Trinity was on earth and the potential for resurrections, healings and salvation was infinite - i.e. Millennial condition.

***I think the ministry of Jesus IS COUNTED. There is no scripture that backs up not counting any days. The Tribulation days are counted.

***Lev. 26:27,28 says, "And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins."

***A "time" is a year. Rev 12:6 and 14 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days....And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time (one year), and times (2 years), and half a time (half a year, completing 3.5 years, before being shortened), from the face of the serpent."

Also 2 yrs are NOT COUNTED from Creation to the ONE year of the first of the 120 Jubilees as per God's promise of 6,000 yrs for man (since the count was begun again after the Fall of man). I.e. our calendar is 2 yrs ahead of the real year.

***You seem to have run into some false information. I worked many years on Bible Chronology. I know very well that the age of Adam was 130 when Seth was born. There was no gap whatsoever. The Bible doesn't lie, and it gives us the necessary information to reconstruct the entire Old Testament timeline from Adam to Christ. There are no gaps in it.

***Gen 5:1-5 says, "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

***The Jubilee was not set up until after the Exodus. The Jubilee cycle was a 49-year cycle, not a 50-year cycle. The 50th year is also the first year of the next cycle. Thus the Jubilee cycle stayed aligned with the Sabbatic cycle. The 49th year was always a Sabbatic Year, as was the 7th, 14th, 21st, 28th, 35th and 42nd.

***Neither is there a gap in the time of Jesus' ministry. Here is a chart of the time from when Herod began to build the Temple to the Crucifixion. The Temple construction was in its 46th year at the first Passover of Jesus' ministry. There are no gaps whatsoever in this timeline.

***20 BC, Temple construction started
19 BC, 1st yr of Temple const.
18 BC, 2nd yr of Temple const.
17 BC, 3rd yr of Temple const.
16 BC, 4th yr of Temple const.
15 BC, 5th yr of Temple const.
14 BC, 6th yr of Temple const.
13 BC, 7th yr of Temple const.
12 BC, 8th yr of Temple const.
11 BC, 9th yr of Temple const.
10 BC, 10th yr of Temple const.
9 BC, 11th yr of Temple const.
8 BC, 12th yr of Temple const.
7 BC, 13th yr of Temple const.
6 BC, 14th yr of Temple const.
5 BC, 15th yr of Temple const. Jesus born Tishri 1, 3756
4 BC, 16th yr of Temple const. Jesus 1 on Tishri 1, 3757
3 BC, 17th yr of Temple const. Jesus 2 on Tishri 1, 3758
2 BC, 18th yr of Temple const. Jesus 3 on Tishri 1, 3759, Sabbatic Yr.
1 BC, 19th yr of Temple const. Jesus 4 on Tishri 1, 3760
1 AD, 20th yr of Temple const. Jesus 5 on Tishri 1, 3761
2 AD, 21st yr of Temple const. Jesus 6 on Tishri 1, 3762
3 AD, 22nd yr of Temple const. Jesus 7 on Tishri 1, 3763
4 AD, 23rd yr of Temple const. Jesus 8 on Tishri 1, 3764
5 AD, 24th yr of Temple const. Jesus 9 on Tishri 1, 3765
6 AD, 25th yr of Temple const. Jesus 10 on Tishri 1, 3766, Sabbatic Yr.
7 AD, 26th yr of Temple const. Jesus 11 on Tishri 1, 3767
8 AD, 27th yr of Temple const. Jesus 12 on Tishri 1, 3768
9 AD, 28th yr of Temple const. Jesus 13 on Tishri 1, 3769
10 AD, 29th yr of Temple const. Jesus 14 on Tishri 1, 3770
11 AD, 30th yr of Temple const. Jesus 15 on Tishri 1, 3771
12 AD, 31th yr of Temple const. Jesus 16 on Tishri 1, 3772, Tiberius, 1st year Co-Rex
13 AD, 32st yr of Temple const. Jesus 17 on Tishri 1, 3773, Sabbatic Yr, Tiberius, 2nd yr
14 AD, 33nd yr of Temple const. Jesus 18 on Tishri 1, 3774, Tiberius, Sole-Rex, 3rd yr
15 AD, 34rd yr of Temple const. Jesus 19 on Tishri 1, 3775, Tiberius, 4th yr
16 AD, 35th yr of Temple const. Jesus 20 on Tishri 1, 3776, Tiberius, 5th yr
17 AD, 36th yr of Temple const. Jesus 21 on Tishri 1, 3777, Tiberius, 6th yr
18 AD, 37th yr of Temple const. Jesus 22 on Tishri 1, 3778, Tiberius, 7th yr
19 AD, 38th yr of Temple const. Jesus 23 on Tishri 1, 3779, Tiberius, 8th yr
20 AD, 39th yr of Temple const. Jesus 24 on Tishri 1, 3780, Sabbatic Yr, Tiberius, 9th yr
21 AD, 40th yr of Temple const. Jesus 25 on Tishri 1, 3781, Tiberius, 10th yr
22 AD, 41st yr of Temple const. Jesus 26 on Tishri 1, 3782, Tiberius, 11th yr
23 AD, 42nd yr of Temple const. Jesus 27 on Tishri 1, 3783, Tiberius, 12th yr
24 AD, 43rd yr of Temple const. Jesus 28 on Tishri 1, 3784, Tiberius, 13th yr
25 AD, 44th yr of Temple const. Jesus 29 on Tishri 1, 3785, Tiberius, 14th yr
26 AD, 45th yr of Temple const. Jesus 30 on Tishri 1, 3786, Baptized, Tiberius, 15th yr
27 AD, 46th yr of Temple const, 1st Passover, Jesus 31 on Tishri 1, 3787, Sabbatic Yr (Jesus read Isa, 61:1,2a, announcing the coming Jubilee on the Day of Atonement, near his birthday)
28 AD, Jubilee Year started Nisan 1, 2nd Passover, Jesus 32 on Tishri 1, 3788
29 AD, 3rd Passover, Jesus 33 on Tishri 1, 3789
30 AD, Eve of 4th Passover, Jesus 33.5 when crucified on Nisan 13, 3790

Note that the first year for Adam was perfect, then the FALL at Succoth w/ immediate covering for sin (Tabernacling), then the Kislev 24 Creation Count began again with the Gen. 6:3 promise of the 120 Jubilees, BUT the count had to begin on a ONE yr.

***I think Adam was cast out of the Garden of Eden 40 years after his creation. See my Old Testament Bible Chronology: ***40 AH = 4004/3 BC = -243 Jewish. Adam expelled from the Garden of Eden. Beginning of the first 1000-year Day, the 2000-year Age of Gentiles, and the 1616-year Dispensation of Conscience.

So, 7 + 4 + 2 + 1 = 14 years, and Tevet 1, 2015 (Jesus into Temple with Jewish Remnant from Petra - Isaiah 63) minus the 14 yrs is 2001 (6001), exactly when the Milennium should start.

***I think the Millennium will start on the Day of the Lord that is also the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the shortened Tribulation, Sept. 14, 2015 (Tishri 1, 5776), the Feast of Trumpets.

***The 2300-day shortened Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14), figured by inclusive reckoning because it is a block of time, would start next Pentecost, May 29, 2009.

The bridegrooms 'absence' of 2 yrs ('2 days') is exact, as well - but it's too much to outline here.

2008 is:
90 full yrs from Allenby
90 yrs from Balfour
2520 yrs fr completion Temple 517-518 B.C.
400 yrs 1607 (America)
60 yrs Israel, 1948
40 full yrs 1967 (last Biblical Generation)

***Allenby took Jerusalem on Kislev 24, the Eve of Hanukkah, Dec. 9, 1917. He walked into Jerusalem on foot on Dec. 11.
***1917 + 90 = 2007
400 + 1607 = 2007
40 + 1967 = 2007

+Rampant homosexuality/abortions (incurring God's greatest wrath), plan for pre-'48, '67 borders, plan to divide Jerusalem, etc.

I cannot foresee considering the Kislev 24 of 2009, thus something huge must occur THIS Kislev 24, as far as I can surmise.

***I hope you are right about something huge happening this Kislev 24 (Dec. 21, 2008). It is 91 years from the Kislev 24 in 1917, when Allenby took Jerusalem.

I was glad to read your outline of the possibility of the Kislev 24, '08 Rapture - since it coincides with my scenario. God always works in patterns and ALL the patterns are complete PLUS everything that happened in relation to Jesus (Birth, circum, Nis 10, Nis 17, Pentecost, Creation, Count beginning) was on a SUNDAY and Kislev 24, 2008 is a SUNDAY.

Take care and we'll see!


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