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Rare first century half shekel coin found in Temple Mount dirt

By Nadav Shragai, 21/12/2008

A rare half shekel coin, first minted in 66 or 67 C.E., was discovered by 14 year-old Omri Ya'ari as volunteers sifted through mounds of dirt from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The coin is the first one found to originate from the Temple Mount....

The half shekel coin was first minted during the Great Revolt against the Romans. The face of the coin is decorated with a branch of three pomegranates and ancient Hebrew letters reading "holy Jerusalem." On the flip side, the letters say "half shekel".

The coin that was found in the sifting project, though it was well preserved, showed some damage from a fire. Experts believe it was the same fire that destroyed the Second Temple in 70 C.E. ...

Dr. Gabriel Barkay explained that "the half shekel coin was used to pay the temple taxes... The coins were apparently minted at Temple Mount itself by the Temple authorities."...

Dr. Barkay added that "this is the first time a coin minted at the Temple Mount itself has been found, and therein lies its immense importance, because similar coins have been found in the past in the Jerusalem area and in the Old City's Jewish quarter, as well as Masada, but they are extremely rare in Jerusalem."...

Incoming e-mail, Re: QUESTION RE 1998

Do you remember the year you earnestly started looking at the year 1998 as a Rapture date?

Any comments would be appreciated. God bless you and Ed

My reply

I remember. It was the day Bobby Kennedy was assassinated.

"The assassination of Robert F. Kennedy took place shortly after midnight on June 5, 1968". I had tucked away in the back of my brain that the Six-Day War was probably important. Then on the anniversary of the War, B. Kennedy was killed. It was then that everything seemed to jell in my head. I remember telling a friend of my daughter what I was thinking.

Another thing seemed an act of God. B. Kennedy was brain dead before midnight, but the Lord kept his heart beating until the date was June 5, 1968. Agape


By Marilyn Agee
I think the Greek "he apostasia" should have been translated "THE DEPARTING" in 2 Thess. 2:3 instead of "A FALLING AWAY."

It seems that the usually reliable KJV has two translation mistakes in 2Thess 2:2,3. It says, "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the DAY OF CHRIST is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come A FALLING AWAY first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition".

After the KJV was translated, several older manuscripts were found. It looks like two things in this passage have turned out to be wrong in the KJV translation. The "DAY OF CHRIST" should be the DAY OF THE LORD, and "A FALLING AWAY" should be THE DEPARTING (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture).

The Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary says, "day of Christ-THE OLDEST MANUSCRIPTS READ, 'DAY OF THE LORD.'"

A footnote in the Tischendorf New Testament says "SVA, the Day of the Lord." All three translations that are older than the KJV had "THE DAY OF THE LORD" These are the Sinaitic Codex (probably 331 AD), the Vatican Codex (middle of the 4th century), and the Alexandrine Codex (middle of the 5th century).

The ISV has "the day of the Lord" correct. It says, "not to be so quickly upset or alarmed when someone claims that we said either by some spirit, conversation, or letter that the DAY OF THE LORD has already come".

The Day of Christ is the Rapture. The departing is the Rapture. It doesn't make sense for the Rapture to not come, except the Rapture happen first. The real meaning is that the DAY OF THE LORD (which is also the Day of God's Wrath) will not come until AFTER the Pre-Trib Rapture has taken place, and also AFTER the False Prophet is revealed Mid-Trib.

Another indication that DEPARTURE is correct: Jerome's Latin Vulgate (400 AD) translated "apostasia" by "discessio," which means DEPARTURE.

The first seven English translations all rendered "he apostasia" as "departure" or "departing."

1. Wycliffe Bible (1384)
2. Tyndale Bible (1525)
3. Coverdale Bible (1535)
4. Cranmer Bible/Great Bible (1539)
5. Geneva Bible (1560)
6. Breeches Bible (1576)
7. Beza Bible (1583)

2 Thess. 2:2,3

Wycliffe had both right. He said, "that ye be not moved soon from your wit, neither be afeared [neither be aghast], neither by spirit, neither by word, neither by epistle as sent by us, as if the DAY OF THE LORD be nigh. [That] No man deceive you in any manner. For but dissension come first [For no but DEPARTING AWAY, or dissension, SHALL COME FIRST], and the man of sin be showed, the son of perdition".

Tyndale had one right. He said, "that ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, and be not troubled, neither by spirit, neither by words, nor yet by letter, which should seem to come from us, as though the DAY OF CHRIST were at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means, for the Lord cometh not, except there come A DEPARTING FIRST, and that that sinful man be opened, the son of perdition".

The Geneva Bible had one right. It said, "That ye be not suddenly mooued from your minde, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by worde, nor by letter, as it were from vs, as though THE DAY OF CHRIST were at hand. Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come A DEPARTING first, and that man of sinne be disclosed, even the sonne of perdition".
"Is the Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3?"
By Thomas Ice

I believe that there exists a strong possibility that 2nd Thessalonians 2:3 is speaking about the Rapture. What do I mean? Some pretribulationists, like myself believe that the Greek noun apostasia, usually translated “apostasy,” is a reference to the Rapture and should be translated “departure.” Thus, this passage would be saying that the day of the Lord will not come until the Rapture first takes place. If apostasia is a reference to a physical departure, then 2nd Thessalonians 2:3 supports strong evidence for pretribulationism....

THE BEST TRANSLATION OF THE WORD IS “TO DEPART.” The Apostle Paul refers here to a definite event which he calls “THE DEPARTURE,” and which will occur just before the start of the Tribulation. THIS IS THE RAPTURE of the Church. So the word has the core meaning of “departure” and it depends upon the context to determine whether it is used to mean physical departure or an abstract departure such as a departure from the faith.

Project Aimed at Protecting Ancient Babylon

January 9, 2009

In cooperation with the government of Iraq, the World Monuments Fund is launching a project aimed at protecting the ancient city of Babylon. The plan’s objective will be to promote tourism and conservation of the site where King Nebuchadnezzar II (630-562 B.C.) built his hanging gardens, one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. The U.S. State Department has already given about $700,000 for the project, and the organization is currently seeking additional funding from other sources.

The site of ancient Babylon is located about 90 kilometers south of Baghdad. It has sustained damage in recent years from Saddam Hussein’s efforts to make it a tourist attraction, from looting after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 and from being used as a military base during the Iraq War.

Babylon Is Targeted in Project of World Monuments Fund and Iraq

By Patrick Cole

Jan. 8 (Bloomberg) -- The World Monuments Fund is launching a project with Iraq to preserve the ancient city of Babylon, where King Nebuchadnezzar II (630-562 B.C.) built his hanging gardens, one of the Seven Wonders of the World.

The New York-based nonprofit group, which protects architectural and cultural sites, will work with Iraq’s State Board of Antiquities and Heritage to develop a master plan to promote conservation and tourism in the city, located about 55 miles (90 kilometers) south of Baghdad on the east bank of the Euphrates....

“Iraqi heritage belongs to all humanity,” Samir Sumaida’ie, Iraq’s ambassador to the U.S., said in a statement. “In the immense task of caring for its world heritage, Iraq welcomes help from and collaborations with the international preservation community.”...

Second Initiative

The World Monuments Fund’s project marks the second initiative this decade to aid Babylon. In October 2003, the fund partnered with the Getty Conservation Institute to set up the Iraq Cultural Heritage Conservation Initiative to help preserve museums, archeological and historical sites in Iraq.

Founded in 1965, the fund has worked to preserve about 500 historical sites in some 90 countries around the world, ranging from St. Paul’s Cathedral in London to Route 66, an east-west highway in the U.S. The fund placed the nation of Iraq on its list of 100 most endangered sites in 2006 and 2008....

Incoming e-mail, Re: A Generation Lasts Forever

In the recent changes you made to your homepage, you are expecting a Rapture between now and Pentecost 2009. The figure that you are using for a generation has grown to 48.3 years. I decided to look for the basis of a generation using some other sources. The Bible Gateway website uses several new figures I had not considered. They speak of a 38 year figure for a generation in the bible dictionary.

This does not give us the time frame we are looking for either. Where did you get 48.3 years from?

My reply

Webster's Dictionary says a generation is 33 years. I'm using Mt. 1:17. 2030 years divided by 42 = 48.33 years for one generation. Long ago, I knew of both ways of figuring it, so I wrote Hal Lindsey and asked why he used 40 years for a generation. He mentioned the 40 years the Israelites spent in the desert, so I used 40 years until it was apparent that 40 years wasn't working. Now, I can see why it should be 48.33 years.

You see, the 2300-day shortened Tribulation of Dan. 8:13,14 fit (using inclusive reckoning) from Pentecost to the Feast of Trumpets two times, 2001 to 2007 and 2009 to 2015. Both end years are Jewish Leap Years, which is necessary because there are 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between Tishri 1, the Day of God's Wrath, and the following Nisan 1, the day of the Second Advent and the first day of the Jubilee year. I picked the first one until that time passed. Now, I have to go by the latter one. I don't know of any way of figuring a generation longer than 48.33 years. Some suggest 70 years, but that is not a generation, it is the normal life span.

Thanks for the news about Deborah, and for your kindness in wanting to help her. Agape

From Five Doves site, Re: A.R. (14 Jan 2009) "SONG OF SOLOMON - Strong's def's alluding to rapture AND THANKS"

In case some of you can't locate the Strong's function on the website, it's right above the tabs near the top of the page, just to the left of "KJV". Click on "KJS" for King James Version with Strong's definitions. Here it is again:

From Five Doves site: Av 1 Total Eclipses

Hazel Parker (14 Jan 2009)

My latest issue of "Prophecy in the News" just arrived and I was again reminded of the three total eclipses scheduled for the Jewish month of Av. These will all fall on the first day of Av for three consecutive years, starting in 2008. (Jewish calendar, Av 1). As most of you know, the first eclipse occurred on our calendar date, August 1, 2008; the second will occur on July 22, 2009 and the third on July 11, 2010. "Sky & Telescope" reports that the 7-11-09 eclipse will darken major cities, densely populated countryside and a vast expanse of tropical ocean. The eclipse itself will be a monster, with totality lasting 6.6 minutes.

The July 11, 2010 eclipse will occur over Easter Island and the South Pacific. Get this, November 13, 2012 will be the date of yet another eclipse, a date very close to the infamous 12-12-2012 end of the Mayan calendar, discussed on Apocalypse Week last week on the History channel.

We are told that usually solar eclipses are dire warnings for the nations, and lunar eclipses are warnings for Israel. I want to add that the magazine editor, J.R. Church, corrected his prior reporting that all these eclipses were partial; they are instead, total. Maranatha

Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea?

'Physical evidence' of ancient Exodus prompting new look at Old Testament By Joe Kovacs, June 21, 2003

Speaking to WorldNetDaily from the isle of Gotland in the Baltic Sea, Moller, the author of "The Exodus Case," says the key in finding the correct route of the Israelites is to understand that the Hebrew reference to "yum suph" does not mean "sea of reeds" as many scholars have claimed.

Moller says it refers specifically to the Gulf of Aqaba, and while he's not formally affiliated with the Wyatts, he agrees with them that a host of other evidence can be found on the Arabian side of the water, including remains of the golden calf, pillars, altars and the even the rock the Bible says Moses split to bring forth water for the Israelites.

Regarding the items found beneath the waters, Moller believes there are remnants not only of chariots and wheels, but also human and animal skeletons.

"There was a disaster [there] a long time ago," he said. "Whatever that is, it's open to interpretation."

My reply

It is true that "There was a disaster [there] a long time ago," but it wasn't at the time of the Exodus. It was in the days of Abraham and Lot. Moses had not yet been born.

Two angels led Lot out of Sodom. Then, not only Sodom, but Gomorrah and the cities of the plain were reduced to ashes by an asteroid impact.

That was such a powerful impact that it split the Earth, creating the Great Rift Valley that stretches from Syria to Lake Nyassa in Africa. If my memory serves me right, it depressed the bedrock under the Dead Sea by 113 feet. Today, the surface of the Dead Sea is 1316 feet below mean sea level.

Incoming e-mail, Re: An interesting coincidence?

I hope this finds you well.

While I may not agree with some of your conclusions, your study is beyond reproach.

I hope you find my research of interest.

A prophetic year is 360 days.
A dispensation is 2000 years.
So a dispensation should be 360 x 2000, for a total of 720,000 days.

The most Christian nation ever blessed by God has to be the United States.
On 9/11/01, the U.S was attacked by those that follow Islam – or Satan.

If you start on 9/11/2001 as day 720,000 and count backwards, day zero is Monday, May 29th 30 A.D.

I want to say that this is the day that the Holy Spirit indwelt believers. If we call it day 50 and count backwards, day zero is Sunday, April 9th, 30 A.D.

That would be Resurrection Sunday.
I find the connection to 9/11/01 to be compelling.

It doesn’t work quite as cleanly coming at it from the other way, however. Please let me explain.

First, let me remind you how the Hebrew months begin.

“The Jewish month is based on the seeing the new moon. When two persons saw the new moon they would come to the Jewish High Court and give testimony that they had saw the moon. This did not mean that the court did not know when the moon was scheduled to appear, but rather that the sanctification of the moon had to be made according to eyewitness reports. The court would question the witnesses to ascertain that they indeed did see the moon. Afterwards, the court proclaimed that a new month had begun.

Even if the court knew by its own calculations that the new moon was scheduled to appear on a certain day, but due to weather conditions it was not seen, they did not declare the new moon until the next day when witnesses arrived. It was conceivable that the new month would be delayed a day.”

The first month of the Jewish calendar is the month of Nissan. Nisan was determined by a celestial event. The Nisan moon was the first moon that would become a full moon after the passing of the spring equinox.

If we accept Monday, March 20th, 30 A.D as the spring equinox, the first new moon is 3 days later, on Thursday, March 23.

The first sliver of moon COULD have been sighted on Friday, making that Nissan 1, and making the full moon on Friday, April 7th Nissan 15, pointing to a Thursday crucifixion. This tends to conflict with tradition however.

Sunday, April 9, 30
Saturday, April 8, 30
Friday, April 7, 30, Nissan 15 / Passover, Full moon
Thursday, April 6, 30, Nissan 14
Wednesday, April 5, 30, Nissan 13
Tuesday, April 4, 30, Nissan 12
Monday, April 3, 30, Nissan 11
Thursday, March 23, 30, New moon
Monday, March 20, 30, Spring equinox

If, on the other hand, the first sliver of moon was sighted not on Friday, but on Saturday, March 25 (due to cloud cover?) Nissan 15th falls on Saturday April 8th, keeping with tradition (and the 9/11/2001 connection). The problem with this is that the full moon was on Friday, when it would be expected on Passover.

Sunday, April 9, 30
Saturday, April 8, 30, Nissan 15 / Passover, Full moon
Friday, April 7, 30, Nissan 14
Thursday, April 6, 30, Nissan 13 ...

Thursday, March 23, 30, New moon
Monday, March 20, 30, Spring equinox

I personally believe in the miraculous. The parting of the Red Sea was God, not tidal action / wind / what ever. I also believe that the 3 hours of darkness during the crucifixion was God – not an eclipse. Having said that, a lunar eclipse can ONLY happen during a full moon. In this scenario, Friday WAS a full moon. Best regards

My reply

Thanks for all your kind words. For 80, I guess I'm doing pretty good.

Your research is definitely interesting.

> > If you start on 9/11/2001 as day 720,000 and count backwards, day zero is Monday, May 29th 30 A.D.

Wow! That was Pentecost in 30 AD, and it will be Pentecost in 2009.

> > I want to say that this is the day that the Holy Spirit indwelt believers. If we call it day 50 and count backwards, day zero is Sunday, April 9th, 30 A.D.

That would be Resurrection Sunday.

I find the connection to 9/11/01 to be compelling.

I do too.

> > The first sliver of moon COULD have been sighted on Friday, making that Nissan 1, and making the full moon on Friday, April 7th Nissan 15, pointing to a Thursday crucifixion. This tends to conflict with tradition however.

After much study, I'm convinced of the following, which agrees with your 2nd chart:

Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD, Preparation of the Passover, Crucifixion
Friday, Nisan 14, Passover
Saturday, Nisan 15, Unleavened Bread
Sunday, Nisan 16, Firstfruits, Resurrection Day

> > I personally believe in the miraculous. The parting of the Red Sea was God, not tidal action / wind / what ever. I also believe that the 3 hours of darkness during the crucifixion was God – not an eclipse. Having said that, a lunar eclipse can ONLY happen during a full moon. In this scenario, Friday WAS a full moon.

I believe in the miraculous too, and no eclipse lasts 3 hours. I don't think there was an eclipse of either kind on the day of the Crucifixion. Agape

My comments on "A New Reconstruction of Paul's Prison," by Ehud Netzer, Biblical Archaeology Review, Jan/Feb 2009

Netzer said, "Before the ANTONIA was constructed at the north-west corner of the Temple Mount, earlier Jewish rulers (the Hasmoneans) had also erected a citadel here called the Baris. HEROD REPLACED THE BARIS WITH HIS OWN PALACE/FORTRESS, not only to protect against invaders, but to control whatever was happening on the Temple Mount. HEROD NAMED THE GRAND PALACE/FORTRESS AFTER HIS PROTECTOR AND FRIEND MARC ANTONY. (Naming it for Marc Antony tells us that the Antonia was built before 31 B>C>E>, when Antony was defeated of Octavian at the Battle of Actium.)

Netzer is talking about what I call Herod's Palace, the Praetorium, Herod's judgment hall. It is at the northwest corner of the Temple Mount. Act 23:35 says, "I will hear thee, said he, when thine accusers are also come. And he commanded him to be kept in Herod's judgment hall (Praetorium)."

Praetorium (8 Occurrences in the New Testament)

Matthew 27:27 Then the governor's soldiers took Jesus into the PRAETORIUM, and gathered the whole garrison together against him. (WEB WEY ASV DBY YLT NAS RSV NIV)

Mark 15:16 The soldiers led him away within THE COURT, WHICH IS THE PRAETORIUM; and they called together THE WHOLE COHORT. (WEB KJV WEY ASV BBE DBY YLT NAS RSV NIV)

John 18:28 THEY LED JESUS THEREFORE FROM CAIAPHAS INTO THE PRAETORIUM. It was early, and they themselves didn't enter into the Praetorium, that they might not be defiled, but might eat the Passover. (WEB WEY ASV BBE DBY YLT NAS RSV)


John 19:8 More alarmed than ever, PILATE no sooner heard these words than he RE-ENTERED THE PRAETORIUM AND BEGAN TO QUESTION JESUS. (WEY)

John 19:9 He entered into the Praetorium again, and said to Jesus, "Where are you from?" But Jesus gave him no answer. (WEB ASV BBE DBY YLT NAS RSV)

Acts 23:35 I will give hearing to your cause, he said, when those who are against you have come. And he gave orders for him to be kept in HEROD'S PRAETORIUM. (BBE DBY YLT NAS RSV)

Philippians 1:13 So that it became clear through all the PRAETORIUM, and to all the rest, that I was a prisoner on account of Christ; (BBE DBY YLT)

Josephus told about Fort Antonia butting up to the corner of the temple enclosure. In Wars. V.V. 8, he said, "Now, as to THE TOWER OF ANTONIA, IT WAS SITUATED AT THE CORNER OF TWO CLOISTERS OF THE COURT OF THE TEMPLE; of that on the WEST and that on the NORTH IT (FORT ANTONIA) WAS ERECTED UPON A ROCK OF FIFTY CUBITS IN HEIGHT, AND WAS ON A GREAT PRECIPICE; it was the work of king Herod, wherein he demonstrated his natural magnanimity....THE INWARD PARTS HAD THE LARGENESS AND FORM OF A PALACE, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and BROAD SPACES FOR CAMPS; INSOMUCH THAT, BY HAVING ALL CONVENIENCES THAT CITIES WANTED, IT MIGHT SEEM TO BE COMPOSED OF SEVERAL CITIES, but by its magnificence, it seemed a palace, and as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the SOUTH-EAST CORNER was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on THE CORNER WHERE IT JOINED TO THE TWO CLOISTERS OF THE TEMPLE (i.e., THE CORNER NEAREST THE ROCK), it had passages (i.e., with steps) down to them both, through which the guard (for THERE ALWAYS LAY IN THIS TOWER A ROMAN LEGION) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people...for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple".

Since the rock that is now under the Dome of the Rock was in Fort Antonia, the Fort occupied the northern half of the Temple Mount, and the Temple occupied the southern half. Herod's palace was built at the northwest corner of Fort Antonia.

The article in BAR has a diagram labeling Herod's Palace "Antonia" and shows the Temple built over the rock. The way I see it, that can't be right. Such thinking is what seems to be hindering building the Temple. The Temple Mount faithful think the Temple was built over the rock that is now under the Dome of the Rock. They have the other things ready, but Moses and Elijah will have to set them straight on where the Temple was located. They didn't believe Tuvia Sagiv, and the didn't believe me. The Temple was between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aksa Mosque. The rock is too large to fit inside the Holy of Holies. I wonder if they plan to chip away at the rock to make it fit.

In this picture, the place where the foundation of the Temple court wall was found is marked by a green section in the trench that was dug to put in new electric wiring in the Al Aksa Mosque. I think that the wall between the Temple Court and Fort Antonia ran just south of the Dome of the Rock, where the green spot marks the foundation of that wall.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Typing mistake

Just a correction. In your proposed timeline, you said:

>> Announced Yom Kippur, Tishri 10, 5776, 9-23-2016
>> Begins Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016

I think Tishri 10, 5776 is Sept. 23 2015, not 2016. Just to let you know about this typing mistake.

Best regards, hoping that our Lord comes soon!!! Thank you so much for all your studies and explanations about the two raptures! They have been a blessing to me!

My reply

Thanks much. I fixed it.

I'm glad the emails about the two Raptures helped you. It didn't help him. He didn't even say a word about how Revelation was organized, just that he still believed in just one Rapture, a Post Trib Rapture. Somehow, his mind is locked in that position. Agape

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