Pro and Con 1467

Posted 1-24-09

In the Shadow of Saturn

Credit: Cassini Imaging Team, SSI, JPL, ESA, NASA

Far in the distance, visible on the image left just above the bright main rings, is the almost ignorable pale blue dot of Earth.


By Marilyn Agee

That is a precious promise, but when is the "last day"? Preceding that, in John 6:39-44. Jesus said, "this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should RAISE IT UP AGAIN AT THE LAST DAY. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I WILL RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY. The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the BREAD which came down from heaven. And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, EXCEPT THE FATHER WHICH HATH SENT ME DRAW HIM: AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY. "

Since Jesus mentioned that he is "THE BREAD which came down from heaven," the LAST DAY he was talking about probably refers to the 7th day of Unleavened Bread. Nisan 21 is in the SPRING, the first month of the Sacred Year set at the time of the Exodus. This fits Isaiah 18:3-6 and the Song of Solomon 2:10-14 exactly.

Isaiah 18:3-6 is not written just to the Israelites. It shouts its message to the whole world, suggesting that the FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE WILL BE IN THE SPRING.


ON THE MOUNTAINS (kingdoms, probably of the UN); AND WHEN HE BLOWETH A TRUMPET (i.e., at the First Trump Rapture, I Thess. 4:16,17), HEAR YE. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take MY REST, and I will consider (nabat, regard with pleasure, favor, and care) IN MY DWELLING PLACE (i.e., Heaven) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew IN THE HEAT OF HARVEST (the harvest season starts on Firstfruits, the 2nd day of Unleavened Bread). For AFORE THE HARVEST (i.e., of grapes), when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and TAKE AWAY (sur, cause to depart; i.e., in the Rapture) and cut down the branches (i.e., that have no fruit). They (those that are cut off; Luke 12:46) SHALL BE LEFT together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts (i.e., the Beast and False Prophet; Rev. 13) of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall WINTER upon them."

Isaiah 57:1.2 says, "THE RIGHTEOUS perisheth (abad, ESCAPES; i.e., in the Rapture), and no man layeth it to heart: and MERCIFUL MEN ARE TAKEN AWAY (asaph, taken up, i.e., in the Rapture), none considering that THE RIGHTEOUS IS TAKEN AWAY (i.e., in the Pre-Trib Rapture) FROM THE EVIL TO COME (i.e., in the Tribulation). He shall enter into peace: they shall REST IN THEIR BEDS, each one walking in his uprightness."

Psa. 149:5-9 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory (i.e., in Heaven): LET THEM SING ALOUD UPON THEIR BEDS. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; TO EXECUTE UPON THEM THE JUDGMENT WRITTEN: THIS HONOUR HAVE ALL HIS SAINTS. Praise ye the LORD."


In Song of Solomon 2:10-16, the Bride says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. For, lo, the WINTER IS PAST, the rain is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove, which comes in APRIL) is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. ARISE, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., in Christ), in THE SECRET places OF THE STAIRS (like Jacob's ladder, whose top reached Heaven), let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes. My beloved (Christ) is mine, and I (the Bride of Christ) am his".

The last day of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 21, 5769; April 15, 2009, is on Wednesday, the 4th day of the week.

Sunday, the 1st day of the week, and Wednesday, the 4th day, were in talmudic times especially good days for weddings, because the Sanhedrin met on Monday and Thursday (in case there was any contention about the bride's virginity). I remember that the Sanhedrin met on Thursday the day Jesus was crucified.

Four means dalet, door. That's perfect, "doors" (representing the 2 Raptures) were mentioned in the Parable of the Fig Tree in Mt. 24:32-34. In Rev. 3:8, Jesus said, "behold, I have set before thee (the Philadelphian church of brotherly love) AN OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name." This open door, the first of two doors, is the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Rev. 4:1-4 says, "behold, a DOOR WAS OPENED IN HEAVEN: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter (i.e., after the Pre-Trib Rapture). And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat (Christ, the first and the last, the Almighty, Rev. 1:8) was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate): and there was a rainbow (i.e., 7 rings) round about the throne (Saturn), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate). And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel, including John) sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

Mt 25:10 says, "And while they (the foolish virgins) went to buy, the bridegroom (Christ) came; and they that were ready (the wise virgins, the Bride of Christ, with extra oil of the Holy Spirit in their vessels, i.e., bodies) went in with him to the MARRIAGE: and the DOOR was shut."

Huge gas reserves discovered off Haifa

By SHARON WROBEL, Jan 18, 2009

A historic natural gas reservoir found offshore from Haifa is poised to meet Israel's natural gas demand for about 15 years and reduce the country's dependence on gas imports from Egypt and offshore from Gaza....

Has the Antichrist been revealed, or the 70th Week of Daniel begun?

By Marilyn Agee

From his post on the Five Doves site on Nov. 14, 2008, Ron Reese was certain of two things, that Obama is the Antichrist, and that the 70th week of Daniel began Oct. 29, 2008.

I don't think Obama is the Antichrist, but the 70th week of Daniel may have already begun, not on Ron's date, which is not a feast day, but on the 8th day of Tabernacles, Oct. 21, 2008 (Tishri 22, 5769). Ron was thinking of the unshortened 70th week of Daniel. I am using the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14. They start and end on Feast days. Both the start and end dates are different from Ron's. I think the 2300 days run from next Pentecost, May 29, 2009, to the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015.

I have had questions running through my head ever since I read Ron's post. How can he be so certain? Who is he calling the Antichrist, the 1st beast of Rev. 13, or the 2nd? Can either beast be revealed before the Rapture takes place? What act reveals him?

Today, when I reread what Ron wrote, I have other questions. Could Sept. 23, 2015, the Day of Atonement, be the Second Coming of Christ, as he thinks? Do the Sabbatical cycle and the Jubilee cycle end then?

I was astonished when I read this. Ron said, "Forget about a 7-year peace treaty involving Israel. Forget about a mandatory Rapture before the Final 7 Years begins. Forget about a mandatory 7-year tribulation. I had to forget about these concepts, also, because I had always taught them, and preached about them myself. The above evidence is so OVERWHELMING that it trumps these pre-conceived ideas that most of us have had, and it does NOT go contrary to Scripture.

"It should not take a supernatual revelation to see what God has done. It just takes a little re-alignment of our pre-conceived ideas, even if we THOUGHT they were totally Scriptural. "

I can't forget. To me, everything has to jibe with Scripture. I'm very skeptical at this point.

Here is more of Ron's post.
Ron Reese (14 Nov 2008)

> > This day, Oct. 29, 2008, was seen in advance by many prophetic scholars as the day the 70th Week of Daniel should begin, because it was 2520 days (or 7 Jewish years) before Feast of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, which has so MANY things pointing to it as THE DAY OF THE LITERAL 2ND COMING OF CHRIST. Among those time markers are the end of a Sabbatical cycle and the end of a Jubilee cycle. What an AMAZING "COINCIDENCE" that on this VERY SAME DAY that was supposed to start the 70th week of Daniel, we have a confirming of a covenant with millions and millions of people (the many), by the probable Antichrist.

(This paragraph is from Ron's post of Nov. 6)

(Back to Ron's post of Nov. 14)
> > God was identifying the confirming of the covenant, the identity of the Antichrist, and the day of the start of the 70th week of Daniel, all in the circumstances of ONE particular event, which has always been THE ONE EVENT WHICH WOULD START THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL, THE FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 9:27. It all happened in one day, THE EXACT SAME DAY that it was supposed to happen, which was 2520 days before THE END OF THE SABBATICAL CYCLE AND THE END OF THE JUBILEE CYCLE. This date is Sept. 23, 2015, Feast of Atonement, when Christ is supposed to return.

> > The lunar eclipses and solar eclipses point to THIS SAME DAY. THE ENDING OF A SABBATICAL CYCLE AND THE END OF A JUBILEE CYCLE POINT TO THIS SAME DAY. Israel re-captured Jerusalem on June 6-7, 1967, the starting point for the END OF DAYS. Counting from June 6-7, 1967, EXACTLY, and let me repeat EXACTLY, ONE JEWISH JUBILEE CYCLE LATER (7 x 7 X 360 days= 17,650 days), AGAIN POINT TO THIS SAME DAY, of Sept. 23, 2015, the Feast of Atonement. So LET ME REPEAT THAT THE ECLIPSES, THE SABBATICAL CYCLE, THE JUBILEE CYCLE, AND THE TOTALLY AMAZING CALCULATION OF THE 17,650 DAY COUNTDOWN FROM THE DAY THAT ISRAEL CAPTURED JERUSALEM ALL CULMINATE ON THE EXACT SAME DAY, SEPT. 23, 2015!!!

> > Those of you who are saying that Obama is not the Antichrist, or who are saying that nothing significant happened 2520 days (7 Jewish years) before this AWESOME COUNTDOWN DATE OF SEPT. 23, 2015, are in reality saying that everything I have just presented to you IS ALL JUST COINCIDENCE!!! The odds of all this evidence that GOD HAS GIVEN US being just coincidence is astronomical. It is incalcuable. It would be totally beyond human comprehension. But yet the majority of you STILL chalk it ALL up to coincidence. It is time to remove your blinders, Doves. IT HAS HAPPENED!

> > Can't you see what God has done for us, Doves? It is as plain as the nose on your face. Please re-read the preceding 3 paragraphs prayerfully, if you still do not believe that the 70th week of Daniel has begun, or that Obama is the Antichrist. You are going against astronomical odds that ALL OF THE ABOVE fits together lik a glove so perfectly. The natural mind may not be able to comprehend it. But certainly, your spirit SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISCERN IT....

> > "I boldly and loudly proclaim unto you, that I remain 100% convinced that OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST AND THE 7OTH WEEK OF DANIEL BEGAN ON OCT. 29, 2008 AND WILL CONCLUDE ON SEPT. 23, 2008!!! (he meant Sept. 23, 2015) Maranatha! Ron Reese,
My comments:

I ask myself 2 questions.

(1) Could the unshortened 70th week of Daniel have begun Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2008? That was Tishri 30, 5769, not a feast day.

(2) Could the 70th week end on the Day of Atonement. Sept. 23, 2015 (Tishri 10, 5776)?

To me, such an important segment of time would seem more likely if it began and ended on feast days. Ron's segment ends on a feast day, but is the Day of Atonement the right feast?

According to Joel 1:15 and 2:1-3, the Day of the Lord that is also THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH IS ON THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS. Rather than the Second Advent being on the last day of the 70th week of Daniel, I think he will return on Nisan 1, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Year 7 months after the Day of God's Wrath.

Of the assembly in Heaven on the Day of God's Wrath, Heb. 12:22-24 says, "ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY (i.e., a festal assembly) and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant". I think this General Assembly will be on the Feast of Trumpets that ends the 2300-day shortened Tribulation.

Joel 1:14,15 and 2:1-3 says, "Sanctify ye a fast (i.e., prepare for the Day of Atonement; it is 10 days future, and is when the coming Jubilee Year is announced), call a solemn assembly (i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets), gather the elders (i.e., that were caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture; Rev. 4:1-4; I Thess. 4:16,17) and all the inhabitants of the land (i.e., the Pre-Wrath Rapture; I Cor. 15:51,52) into the house of the LORD your God (i.e., in Heaven), and cry unto the LORD, Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME."

The Day of the Lord is the Day of God's Wrath, which is the Feast of Trumpets. It is the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, and the day the Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky.

Mt 24:29 also tells us about the gathering to the General Assembly in Heaven. Mt. 24:29-31 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then (i.e., on the Day of God's Wrath; Rev. 6:16,17) shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." These elect were caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

This is not the day of the Second Advent. It is the day the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IS SEEN IN THE SKY. They see him sitting on his throne. Rev. 6:16,17 says, "And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

There are 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." The day when Christ will be glorified will be the day of the Second Advent, which will be 7 months after the Day of God's Wrath. That shows that the last year will be a leap year with the 13th month, Adar II.

The year 5776 (2014/2015) will be a leap year. I think the Day of God's Wrath will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). The Jubilee year should be announced on the Day of Atonement (Sept. 23, 2015). It would start on the following Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016), the day of the Second Advent. That day will be the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Year, a fitting time for the return of Christ.

I think the shortened 70th week could have started Oct. 21, 2008 (the 8th day of Tabernacles) and will end Sept. 14, 2015 (The Feast of Trumpets and Day of God's Wrath). The 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14 would then run from Pentecost, May 29, 2009, to Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015, using Jewish inclusive reckoning. I think the Rapture will happen before next Pentecost, maybe on Nisan 21, 5769 (April 15, 2009), the LAST DAY of Unleavened Bread.

John 6:39-41 says, "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the LAST DAY. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY. The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the BREAD which came down from heaven." The LAST DAY Jesus is talking about here is Nisan 21, the last day of Unleavened Bread. That now seems to be the day of the First Trump Rapture.

Nisan 21 is also the day the walls of Jericho fell and the people ascended straight up to the city. The Israelites circled around the city 7 times, suggesting Saturn's 7 rings. Jericho means his moon or his month. Nisan is Christ's month. He was crucified and resurrected in Nisan. He was resurrected on Nisan 16, the Feast of Firstfruits, the 2nd day of Unleavened Bread. It looks like we will be caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture on Nisan 21, the 7th and LAST DAY of Unleavened Bread.


I don't think he is either beast of Rev. 13. That chapter starts out, "I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (the great red dragon) rise up out of the sea (HOLY SEA, THE PAPACY, 'The waters which thou sawest, WHERE THE WHORE SITTETH, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues'; Rev. 17:15), having seven heads (1. Babel, 2. Babylon, 3. Media-Persia, 4. Greece, 5. Roman Empire, 6. Roman Ecclesiastical Empire, 7. False Prophet, leader over Babylon III) and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads (i.e., all 7, from Nimrod to the False Prophet) the NAME OF BLASPHEMY (PONTIFEX MAXIMUS). And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (Greece, Dan. 7), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (Media-Persia), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon): and the dragon (Satan) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." Obama is not the Pontifex Maximus, the Pope is.

At the beginning of the Tribulation, Rev. 6:1,2 says, "I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow (toxon, plain fabric, the sign of a religious leader, a vicar, a man of the cloth); and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." Obama is not a man of the cloth, but one of the Pope's titles is the Vicar of Christ.

In God's Gospel in the Stars, the great king Cepheus is holding aloft a fistful of fabric to show that he is a religious leader. He stands for Christ the king. When the First- trump Rapture takes place, the Bride of Christ will join him in the sky. Cassiopia depicts the Bride of Christ in the Gospel in the stars.

After the Day of God's Wrath has come, but before Babylon III has been obliterated, the Last-trump Rapture will take place. Referring to that, Rev. 18:4 says, "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Rev 17:9,10 says, "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (kingdoms), on which the woman (i.e., the Mystery Religion of Babylon) sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen (kings of Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Imperial Rome), and one is (the Pope, leader of Ecclesiastical Rome), and the other (the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" (1040 days, the last part of the shortened 2300-day Tribulation). The first part is the 1260 days that Moses and Elijah prophesy (Rev. 11:3).

Three eclipses found by Mark Biltz fall on Av 1, Aug. 1, 2008, July 22, 2009, and July 11, 2010. They probably bracket the Rapture. Hopefully, it will be April 15, 2009 (Nisan 21, 5769), the LAST DAY of Unleavened Bread, the anniversary of the fall of Jericho.

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