Pro and Con 1468

Posted 1-25-09

"I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth" (Gen. 9:13).

Britain to Host G-20 Summit in APRIL

By Sonja Pace, London, 26 Nov 08
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-11/2008-11-26-voa39.cfm

Gordon Brown..."It will be held in London on April 2. It will deal with the major questions of the economic actions that are necessary...Obama expects to come".

Incoming e-mail, Re: THE REASON WHY WE HAVE BEEN 'WRONG IN THE PAST' TO WATCH FOR A FALL OR WINTER RAPTURE

Scripture tells us that the rapture will occur in the 'season of the year' that the 'fields of grain are ripe for harvest' in Israel. That season is late-spring which is the 'fifty-day (50) season' from First-Fruits thru Pentecost. 'Ascension Day' happens ten days (10) before Pentecost.

John 4:34-37
"now he harvests the crop for eternal life"
"open your eyes"
"look at the fields"
"they are ripe for harvest"
"now the reaper draws his wages"

How much more plainly can it be stated?

Just as you have told us, Come Lord Jesus!
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Previous Message: THE EVIDENCE KEEPS PILING UP !

The number forty-two (42) indicates the 'appearing of the Lord'. This year 5769/2009 is exactly forty-two (42) years since the year 5727/1967 which was the re-taking ownership of Jerusalem in the Six-Day War. Also, there are exactly seven (7) years left in which the tribulation can occur before the next 'Jubilee Year' in 5776/2016. ( ie. 1967 + 42 = 2009 + 7 = 2016 ) It fits like a jig-saw puzzle! Heads up! Come Lord Jesus!

My reply

At first, I thought of Ascension Day (Iyar 25, 5769; May 19, 2009) as likely too, but in the winter, the grain in the fields was already ripe for harvest. The Rapture might be before that.

In John 4:35, Jesus said, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white (barley) already to harvest." The beginning of barley harvest is Firstfruits, Nisan 16 (April 10, 2009). Four months (Adar, Shevat,Teveth and Kislev) before that was Kislev 16. (Dec. 13, 2008. The window of opportunity could be open between Dec. 13, 2008 and Pentecost, May 29, 2009. Wow. The former is my birthday, the latter our daughter's.

I looked up the Orthodox Easter In 2009, in case it might tie in. It will be April 19. The Holy Fire is due at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem on the preceding day.

The Israelites took Jericho on Nisan 21, which will be Saturday, April 15, 2009, a day of Holy Convocation on the 7th day of Unleavened Bread. That might be significant.

Three people saw a miraculous 21. David, in Florida, saw a glistening white 21 in a blue cloud, IN HIS LIVINGROOM. Why? Could we go to New Jerusalem on the day the Israelites ascended up to Jericho? Joshua 6:5 says, "And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, AND THE PEOPLE SHALL ASCEND UP EVERY MAN STRAIGHT BEFORE HIM."

In John 6:39, Jesus said, "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the LAST DAY." Nisan 21 (April 15, 2009) is the LAST DAY OF UNLEAVENED BREAD. That just might be the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture.

> > The number forty-two (42) indicates the 'appearing of the Lord'.

Do you have a reference on that? Agape

My afterthoughts:

De. 11:14 says, "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain and the latter rain". The former rain comes on Tishri 1, and the latter rain comes on Nisan 1.

In Hosea 6:1-3, Israel is speaking. "Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days (2000 years) will he revive us: in the third day (i.e., in the 3rd millennium) he will raise us up (fulfilled in 1948), and we shall live in his sight. Then (i.e., after 1948) shall we KNOW, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." Jesus was born as the former rain on Tishri 1, and will return as the latter rain on Nisan 1.

James 5:7 says, "Be patient therefore, brethren (believers), unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early (proimos, autumn) and latter (opsimos, vernal, spring) rain."

The latter rain coming on Nisan 1 makes Nisan 21 (7 + 7 + 7), the LAST DAY (7th day) of Unleavened Bread, sound like a good bet for the Pre-Trib Rapture. The Pre-Wrath Rapture will come on the Feast of Trumpets that is the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:17; 7:14).

Incoming e-mail, Re: more than one rapture

Can this be true?

I read your article on line. I agree with much of it because I had a dream several years back that showed me there was more than one rapture. I saw that to get in the first one I had to overcome the flesh. It was very difficult to get in on the second one.

Do you attend a Charasmatic church? Can you tell me how you came to believe this? I have only heard the more than one rapture theory once and only briefly.

My reply

I'm a Baptist, but have gone to several non-denominational churches.

I found out about the two Raptures by reading the Bible. It seems clear to me. The first group out of every nation is seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:8-10. They can all sing the NEW SONG. It says of the saints "they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth." They are in Heaven when Jesus is given the 7-sealed Title Deed to the Earth, before the first seal is broken in Rev. 6. These are caught up at the FIRST TRUMP OF GOD.

The second group is raptured after the Day of God's Wrath has come Rev. 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Then Rev. 7:9,14 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands..These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Among these are 144,000 Israelites.

Afterward, in Rev. 8, the 7 angels are given the 7 trumpets of judgment.

The 144,000 are seen again in Heaven in Rev. 14:3-5 too. It says, "And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

Notice that the others caught up in the 2nd Rapture cannot sing the new song, just the 144,000. Therefore, those that cannot sing the new song are a different group from those singing the NEW SONG in Rev. 5:9.

It is the same way in I Thess. 4:16,17 and I Cor. 15:51,52. There are differences. The first group to be raptured become incorruptible at that time, but not actually immortal. 1Cor 15:42 says of "the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption".

Of the First-trump Rapture, I Thess. 4:16-18 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Those caught up in the First Trump Rapture will escape the things that will come to pass during the Tribulation.

Why? "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (lit., patient endurance), I also will keep thee from (ek, out of) the hour of temptation (lit., trial), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." (Rev. 3:10).

At the 2nd Rapture, the whole body of saints becomes immortal at the same time, AT THE LAST TRUMP OF GOD. 1Cor 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE (including Paul, one of the 24 elders of Rev. 4:4) shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Psa 40:1-3 says, "He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings (plural). And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

The type: Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly (as in Heb. 12:23), and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (plural, i.e., both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (i.e., the 12 patriarchs, elders), shall gather themselves unto thee." The 24 elders, 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles, are seen sitting on their thrones in Heaven right after the FIRST TRUMP RAPTURE (Rev. 4:4).

Heb 12:22-24 takes place in Heaven after the 2nd Rapture. It says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY (lit., festal assembly, i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets) and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant".

Both trumpets will blow on that day, In Mt 24:31, the FIRST-TRUMP-RAPTURE GROUP ALREADY IN HEAVEN IS GATHERED to the General Assembly. It says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." Mark 13:27 adds the information about the LAST-TRUMP-RAPTURE GROUP BEING GATHERED FROM THE EARTH. It says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN.

To me, there are two groups, two trumps and two Raptures. The first is for the Bride of Christ, the wise virgins who have enough oil of the Holy Spirit in their "vessels" (bodies). Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Inquiry about rapture?

Hello miss, I am writing to you since I am very anxious over something, namely you once predicted that the world would come to an end in 10-june-2000, what happened? Did it perhaps happen but we did not notice it? Or has the date been changed? Sincerely

My reply

I'm a Mrs. Ed and I, and our son, finally celebrated our son David's birthday (which was last April), my 80th birthday (Dec.), Christmas and our 62nd wedding anniversary (Jan. 13) yesterday by going out to eat at Sizzler. We hadn't been there since Ed's birthday last March. It gets harder all the time to do that, so it was a rare treat. Our money having been spent on Property Taxes in December, we spent Christmas in bed watching TV for the first time in our lives, and promised ourselves we would celebrate Christmas in January. We finally did that yesterday by going out to eat at our favorite place.

I never predict anything. I am not a prophet, just someone who has studied the Bible as hard as I can go for the last 48 years, all the while trying to understand when the Pre-Trib Rapture would take place. The clues are in the Bible somewhere. In Mark 13:23, Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS." It just isn['t easy to understand. Dan. 12:10 says, "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND." I'm trying hard to be one of the wise that shall understand, and one of the wise virgins that will be caught up to the Lord in the first Rapture.

In Mt 25:1-13, "Jesus said, Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were WISE, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."

Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (i.e., the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers." Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (the Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Psa 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (i.e., the grave), out of the miry clay (i.e., body of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (3rd Heaven), and established my goings (at the Rapture). And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

After the first Rapture, the saints out of every tongue and nation will sing the "new song." Rev. 5:8,9 says, "...saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation".

In Psalm 149:1-9, we see the saints in Heaven singing the NEW SONG. It says, "Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG, and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD."

I am obeying Jesus' command to watch. I am studying and watching. Since "10-june-2000" was Pentecost, I would have hoped for the Pre-Trib Rapture, not the end of the world (as we know it). There is a huge difference. At the Rapture, the wise-virgin believers will be caught up to the 3rd heaven as Paul was.

In 2Cor 12:2-5, Paul said, "I knew a man in Christ (Paul himself, but he didn't want to boast) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to THE THIRD HEAVEN. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up (Greek, harpazo) into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities."

As near as I can tell, the asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 will impact Earth on the Feast of Trumpets (Sept. 14, 2015). That is one generation (48.33 years, Mt. 1:17) after the Six-Day War of 1967 (the Sign of the End of the Age, Mt. 24:32-34).

The 2300-day shortened Tribulation would then start on Pentecost, May 29, 2009. If that is correct, the Rapture will precede it, maybe on Ascension Day, May 19, 2009, or at the latest, on Pentecost. We could be living out our last 5 months on Earth now.

There are two Raptures, a first "trump of God" Rapture and a "last trump" of God Rapture as the Day of God's Wrath begins. They are probably a little less than 7 years apart (2009 and 2015) bbecause the Tribulation is to be shortened.

In Mt 24:22, the Lord said, "And except those days should be SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Maybe the asteroid will come in at an oblique angle rather then hit the Earth head on, as it might do if it orbited one more time. It only takes a .7-mile-diameter asteroid to obliterate Earth if hit head-on. A glancing blow is serious enough. There will be a worldwide earthquake. Every wall will fall. That will be the day the towers fall.

Isa 30:25 says, "And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, WHEN THE TOWERS FALL." The globe will be turned upside down. The seas will wash the land with giant tsunamis.

Isa 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof." We don't want to be on Earth that day. 2Ki 21:13 says, "I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it UPSIDE DOWN."

I Thess. 4:16,17 tells us about the First-Trump Rapture.

It says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I Cor. 15:51-53 tell us about the Last-Trump Rapture.

It says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

What does a non-Christian have to do to be caught up to the third heaven (II Cor. 12:2) in the First Trump Rapture?

Rom 10:9.10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

What does a believer have to do? confess to God any sins committed after we accepted Christ as our own personal saviour. All sins would then be brought under the blood of Christ. I John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Tit 2:13 says, "Looking for that BLESSED HOPE, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ".

Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Mt 24:42 says, "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." Agape

Re: Inquiry about rapture?

Thanks so very much for your reply.

Oohh, I am all excited having received a letter from you I find it so interesting, but I am a little curious and very worried also.

I noticed you at one point write that you hope to be "one of the wise virgins that will be caught up to the Lord in the first Rapture." But how is that going to happen? I mean, the first thing you wrote was that "I'm a Mrs. Ed and I, and our son, finally celebrated our son David's birthday." How could you be a wirgin if you have a son?

Finally, I cannot help to wonder since I for sure are not one of the wise and I cannot hope to even grasp it, but you mention that you try to understand, and that you have done so for the last 48 years and that you still do not understand. Wouldn't that sort of indicate that you are not one of the wise either or am I all wrong? Do you mean that you want to be the first, ever, to understand?

But also I wonder about the asteroids? you say they are going to hit our planet in (Sept. 14, 2015) but that is in about 6 years from now. If so, how can we live our last 5 months on earth now as you say later? "the Rapture will precede it, maybe on Ascension Day, May 19, 2009, or at the latest, on Pentecost. We could be living out our last 5 months on Earth now." Wouldnt that like talk against itself? If we all die now, how can we all die later? We die twice? First we die, get ressurected and then die again? What would be the point of that? What would our lord desire of us for sucha a thing to occur?I do not understand?

Also, one last thing. They actually in the old bible use the name or term "Tsunami" in it?

I look forward to your answer, I love things like this and I know the lord watches over us and cares for us. Halleleja! Sincerely

My reply

> > How could you be a wirgin if you have a son?

"Two shall be one flesh". Eph 5:32 says, "For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and THEY TWO SHALL BE ONE FLESH. THIS IS A GREAT MYSTERY: BUT I SPEAK CONCERNING CHRIST AND THE CHURCH".

Believers (male and female) are called virgins, because we are the Bride of Christ.

All believers are classed as virgins in the parable of the ten virgins (Mt. 25:1f). That is probably because we are classed as sinless when we accept Christ as our own personal Saviour. After that, when we sin, we have to confess it to God to return to our position as a wise virgin. A sinless believer is classed as a wise virgin.

Eph 5:23-32 explains, "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a GLORIOUS CHURCH, NOT HAVING SPOT, OR WRINKLE, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, EVEN AS THE LORD THE CHURCH: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and THEY TWO SHALL BE ONE FLESH. THIS IS A GREAT MYSTERY: BUT I SPEAK CONCERNING CHRIST AND THE CHURCH."

The entire 144,000 Israelites are classed as virgins in Rev. 14:2-5. It says, "And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. THESE ARE THEY WHICH FOLLOW THE LAMB whithersoever he goeth. These were REDEEMED from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: FOR THEY ARE WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God."

> > you mention that you try to understand, and that you have done so for the last 48 years and that you still do not understand. Wouldn't that sort of indicate that you are not one of the wise either or am I all wrong? Do you mean that you want to be the first, ever, to understand?

I don't care if I am the first, I just want to be in that group that will understand when the Rapture will take place. Up to now, no one has been right about that. There is a large company of us trying our best to figure it out.

Along the way, we soak up God's teachings in the Bible. Before I read what anyone taught, I read the KJV Bible all the way through. After that, I spent 7 years reading books in the Seminary Collection at BIOLA College, La Mirada, CA. At another time in my life, I read 17 different Bible versions, one right after the other, just about every word except maybe the begats. I was too anxious to find out what else it said to wade through those word for word time after time.

> > Wouldnt that like talk against itself? If we all die now, how can we all die later? We die twice? First we die, get ressurected and then die again? What would be the point of that? What would our lord desire of us for sucha a thing to occur?I do not understand?

Two deaths are possible for unbelievers for Rev 2:11 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the SECOND DEATH." For believers, only one death is possible.

Here are other verses that mention the 2nd death. Rev 20:6 says, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Rev 20:14 says, "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the SECOND DEATH ."

Rev 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in THE LAKE WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH."

We are body, soul and spirit. At the first death, we lose our body. At the second death, none Christians will lose their soul. I haven't found any place in the Bible that says that spirits die.

> > They actually in the old bible use the name or term "Tsunami" in it?

No. That word has been adopted from Japanese. Here is what it says in Luke 21:25,26: "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; THE SEA AND THE WAVES ROARING. Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken."

Believers will escape all that. Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

There are two Raptures, one before the Tribulation and one on the Day of God's Wrath, just before the asteroids hit Earth. The wise virgins will be caught up in the first Rapture. The foolish virgins will be caught up with the 144,000 Israelites and the other Tribulation saints just before the Wrath of God hits Earth.

> > I love things like this and I know the lord watches over us and cares for us. Halleleja!

I'm thankful for that. Agape

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