Pro and Con 1472

Posted 2-18-09

Rare photo of the ‘end’ of the rainbow, seen in Southern Califirnia

http://sciencedude.freedomblogging.com/2009/02/08/rare-photo-of-the-end-of-the-rainbow
February 8th, 2009, 11:27 am - by Gary Robbins, science writer-editor

"We received several storm photographs from readers Saturday, including one that depicted something that’s very, very rarely seen, especially in Southern California — the end of the rainbow. A reader, who has finally been identified as Jason Erdkamp of Lake Forest, took this photo while traveling north on the 241 Tollroad in northeast Orange County."

My comments

The 241 is a toll road, so I haven't traveled it, but its northern end takes off of our much travelled 91 FWY between Riverside and Yorba Linda, where we used to live. Orange County is south of Los Angeles county. When I said that I drove into the end of the rainbow at Day St. and Allesandro in Moreno Valley, I got an email saying that no one has ever been in the end of the rainbow. This picture should convince anyone that it can happen. The one Ed and I were in was spread out over a larger area than this. We drove in it for awhile, and saw the light rain streaked with color bounce off of the cars in front of us..

Incoming e-mail, Re: Unseen "dark" comets could pose a deadly threat to earth, astronomers have warned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/scienceandtechnology/science/space/4592130/Unseen-dark-comets-could-pose-deadly-threat-to-earth.html
By Kate Devlin
Last Updated: 4:08PM GMT 12 Feb 2009
'Dark' comets happen when the water on their surface has evaporated, causing them to reflect less light Photo: GETTY
The comets, of which there could be thousands, are not currently monitored by observatories and space agencies.

My reply

Thanks much. It's possible, but Wormwood, an asteroid from Satan's planet Rehab, fits very well. The cherubim (4 terrestrial planets) and flaming sword were placed to the east of Eden in Gen. 3:24.

PS: This kind of orbit makes a comet seem more likely.

Clandestine comets found in main asteroid belt
Kimm Groshong, 23 March 2006
http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn8887

April's birthstone

April's Birthstone, the diamond, meaning love, eternity and strength, is perfect for the Birth of the Bride of Christ into a new world.

Also, in Eze 28:13, the Earth is represented by the diamond, and Saturn by the sapphire. It says, "Thou (Satan) hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering (surroundings), the sardius (Mercury), topaz (Venus), and the diamond (Earth), the beryl (Mars), the onyx (Rahab, now our Asteroid Belt), and the jasper (Jupiter), the sapphire (Saturn), the emerald (Uranus), and the carbuncle (Neptune), and gold (Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created."

Incoming e-mail, Re: New Picture of the Heavens

Today's Astronomy picture of the Day is below. Could you explain in detail the difference between the science of astronomy , astrology and the book; The Gospel Written in the Stars please?

Even after ten years of reading your Pros & Cons, I can't plot a picture of the heavens.

Could you please use the APOD picture below to outline it?

Astronomy Picture of the Day, Feb 12, 09
Zodiacal Light Vs. Milky Way

My reply

I can't plot everything on that picture, but I can refer you to some books that picture the zodiac, according to astronomy, not astrology.

Astronomy is a study of things in the heavens, such as the Sun, planets, moons, comets, asteroids, etc.

Astrology is forbidden in the Bible. Astrology claims divination by the positions of the sun, moon and planets. It reflects Satan's way of twisting the truth, hoping to mask the truth and make it ineffective. Their charts are even off the true, because of the precession of the equinoxes, the precession of Earth's axis of rotation. Thuban, a star in the constellation Draco (i.e., Satan, the dragon), was the pole star in 3000 BC, but Polaris is the pole star now.

God created and named the constellations and stars to tell us the Gospel Story. Psalm 147:4 says, "He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names."

Isaiah 40:26 says, "Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth."

On this website, I have 3 files on God's picture book, "THE WAY," written in the stars. http://prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com/stars.html

For more information on this, and good pictures, you can read "The Witness of the Stars" by E.W. Bullinger, Joseph Seiss' "A Gospel in the Stars", "The Zodiac Conspiracy", by F. Chris Patrick, or Kerrod's Star Guide. Each month has its Zodiac picture, star maps and information about the stars in the Star Guide.

The Zodiac pictured in Kerrod's "Star Guide," p. 30, was in an ancient astronomy book. It has an interesting feature that looks like an elliptical race track, but has 7000 years marked off in 500-year increments around the track. I can read "Christ" and "Post Christ" among the words on it. I take it that all that is depicted will take place over a 7000-year period.

You can go to YourSky (http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Yoursky) to see how the constellations of the zodiac are all lined up along the ecliptic, that line that circles the globe near the center. Right now, Saturn is still in LEO (see below). The Gospel story starts with Virgo and the birth of her son, Jesus, the seed of the woman. When you find a picture of Virgo, she is holding some wheat. That suggests seed. It ends with LEO, which portrays Christ as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.

Below is the "Your Sky" diagram for April 15, 2009. Saturn, which I think is Heaven, is in LEO, which stands for Christ as the Lion of the tribe of Judah. That's perfect for the time of the Rapture. Regulus, a star in LEO, is the king star. Both Regulus and Saturn are on the ecliptic. All of the planets are on the ecliptic, which actually is a band instead of a line. The circle drawn from E to W is the equator. The line Saturn is rolling along is the ecliptic. LEO is the last sign in the Zodiac. To see the other planets, change the time. They are all lined up on the other side on April 15, 2009.

Leo

His reply

Wow thank you

Incoming e-mail, Re: Web site down

Thanks, dear Marilyn. We were very upset and like lost sheep when we found out that the old web site was not useable.

Nice to have you back again

My comment

Lord, please bless the man that made my new site possible. In Jesus' name, Amen.

The Saros cycle, One Wheel of Time

Wikipedia: "The Saros cycle is an eclipse cycle with a period of about 18 years 11 days 8 hours (approximately 6585? days) that can be used to predict eclipses of the Sun and Moon. One cycle after an eclipse, the Sun, Earth, and Moon return to approximately the same relative geometry, and a nearly identical eclipse will occur west of the original location....

"However, if one waits three Saros cycles, the local time of day of an eclipse will be nearly the same. This period of three Saros cycles (54 years 1 month, or almost 19756 full days), is known as a Triple Saros or exeligmos (Greek: 'turn of the wheel')."

My comment

In spite of the Saros Cycle, Eclipse Tetrads on Feast Days are rare.

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site, Re: Rene: barley harvest

> > the Barley is SOFT and only has to be tossed into the air to separate it from the chaff - as Perry described. So, I was thinking - this is a non-stressful "separation" - could this harvest which occurs at PASSOVER point to our rapture (of the main body of Christ) at Passover???

They seem to flank the date of the Pre-Trib Rapture, if it is to take place on April 15, Nisan 21, 5769.

> > The wheat is much harder (more stubborn perhaps?) Are these the ones who rejected the gospel and get LEFT BEHIND? Wheat must be THRESHED to separate it from the chaff. Is this a picture of the tribulation saints? Wheat is harvested during Pentecost! Perry pointed out that the device used in wheat harvest was even called the "Tribulum," from which we get our word "Tribulation."

Thanks for the reminder. If we are the barley harvest, which I think we are, because we are the first harvest, the Rapture should be sometime between Firstfruits and Pentecost, when the wheat harvest begins. That leaves us two choices, Nisan 21 (April 15, 2009) the LAST DAY of Unleavened Bread, and Ascension Day (May 19, 2009).

Song 2:10-17 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. For, lo, the winter is past (spring starts March 21), the rain (the latter rain of Nisan 1) is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds ('of birds' is not there in the Hebrew, this could be the saints singing the NEW SONG after the 1st Rapture) is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove, which comes in April) is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places (this word is not there in the Hebrew) of the stairs (i.e., THE SECRET OF THE STAIRS), let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes. My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies. Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains (plural, i.e., 2 Raptures) of Bether" (separation).

The Pre-Wrath Rapture is on the Feast of Trumpets, so "THE SECRET OF THE STAIRS" applies to the Pre-Trib Rapture in the spring, between Nisan 1 and Pentecost. The Secret of the Stairs is like Jacob's ladder. One end was on Earth, the other in Heaven. Gen 28:12 says, "he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it."

Isa 18:3-6 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (probably the UN flag) on the mountains (kingdoms); and when he bloweth a trumpet (i.e., the first trumpet of God, I Thess. 4:16), hear ye. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider (see) in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For AFORE THE HARVEST, when the bud is perfect, and THE SOUR GRAPE IS RIPENING IN THE FLOWER, he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches.They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them."

Hosea 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning (i.e., as when he comes as the Sun of Righteousness, Mal. 4:2,3); and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter (i.e., Second Advent on Nisan 1) and former rain (i.e., First Advent on Tishri 1) unto the earth."

Mal 4:2,3 says, "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day (i.e., the Second Advent on Nisan 1) that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts."

The first grapes ripen around June 1st. Therefore, the First Trump Rapture should be after Nisan 1, and before June 1st, i.e., on April 15 or May 19, 2009.

In John 6:40, Jesus said, "this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY."

So the resurrection of the dead in Christ will be on the LAST DAY. That applies to the 7th day of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 21, 5769, April 15, 2009. What other spring day is called the LAST DAY?

To me, when "THE SOUR GRAPE IS RIPENING IN THE FLOWER," and when the turtledove is in Israel, makes the 7th day of Unleavened Bread, April 15, 2009, sound like the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture. What do you think? Agape

A post on the Five Doves site

Oliver Thomas (11 Feb 2009)

> > "Which end of the Tribulation gets shortened, the beginning or the end?"

When Pastor Riley said that the first section of the Tribulation was 1040 days, and the second part was 1260 days, it sounded right. However, with some thought, I reasize that the first section has to be 1260 days, because Moses and Elijah prophesy 1260 days.

Therefore, I think the 2300-day Shortened Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14) is divided into 1260 days, and after that come the 1040 days. It is the last half of the Tribulation that is to be shortened or no man would be saved. Mt. 24:15 speaks of Mid-Trib. Then the shortening follows. Mt 24:22 says, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Agape

A post on Five Dove's site

Dow Jones 10-02-2009 closes at 7888.88 points!!

I can't say much more but WOW, could it be more obvious?

The biblical number 888 = Jesus..

I'm pretty sure this is the beginning of a new push backwords for the economic system..
Could this be the 7-day warning being followed by the rapture around the 17th of February?
If we look at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2009/tonye210-6.htm this may very well be possible..

Jesus please come soon.. ! Martijn

My reply

A friend called to tell me this news. I think it is a sign, just as the 777.68 was a sign on the last day of 5768. Both 7 and 8 are numbers applied to Jesus. Seven is the number of completion and perfection. Both of these seem to show that everything is right on schedule.

I'm no prophet, but I think the LAST DAY, when Jesus will resurrect the dead in Christ, should be the LAST DAY of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 21, 5769 (April 15, 2009). That would be during the barley harvest that starts on Firstfruits and runs until Pentecost, when the wheat harvest begins.

In John 6:40, Jesus said, "this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY."

John 7:37 says, "IN THE LAST DAY, THAT GREAT DAY OF THE FEAST, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Who are the virgins

...I don't think the church is the virgins. I think the church is the bride. You can't be the virgins (who wait for the bridegroom in order to attend the bride) and also be the bride.

I think that the characters in various new testament marriage accounts are a) the friends of the bridegroom who are the likes of John the Baptist, as is described in scripture, b)Jesus Christ who is the groom, c) the Bride who is the church, and d) the virgins who are attendants of the bride, and relate to the Jews in the tribulation, some of whom will be ready and some of whom won't be ready.

Born again believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. It does not fit the type of a believer not to have enough oil in the lamp (Holy Spirit) as this makes it look as though you can be a true born again believer and not have the Holy Spirit. Once you are born again, you cannot be unborn, as Jesus is praying for us contantly 'because the ever liveth to make intercession for us'. Love

My reply

I think the 10 virgins are the church, and the wise virgins are the Bride of Christ that will be ready when Christ comes. The lamps of all 10 were lit to start with. They all had the oil of the Holy Spirit. To me, that means that they were all saved. However, the lamps of the foolish virgins were sputtering, threatening to go out. Mt. 25:8 (LITV) says, "And the foolish said to the wise, Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are GOING OUT."

In Rev 2:21,22, Jesus said of the church in Thyatira, "I gave her space to REPENT of her fornication (joining, i.e., in the World Church); and SHE REPENTED NOT. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery (join) with her INTO GREAT TRIBULATION, EXCEPT THEY REPENT of their deeds."

It seems to me that repenting and confession are the big differences between the wise and foolish virgins. I John 9:1 says "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." At that point, they would be filled with the Holy Spirit. 1Th 5:19 says, "Quench not the Spirit." Unconfessed sin committed after we accept Christ would be quenching the Holy Spirit. Confessing it would allow us to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

In John 13:8,10, Jesus told Peter, "If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me....He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean".

Using I John 1:9 is how we can allow Christ to wash our feet.

> > the virgins who are attendants of the bride, and relate to the Jews in the tribulation, some of whom will be ready and some of whom won't be ready.

I think Christ only comes for his bride once, at the Pre-Trib Rapture, and all that group sing the NEW SONG (Rev. 5:9). Any unrepentant Laodicean that lives through the Tribulation will be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture, but he won't be able to sing the NEW SONG. Only the 144,000 Israelites can do that.

Rev 14:3-5 says, "And they (the 144,000 Israelites) sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: FOR THEY ARE WITHOUT FAULT BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD."

I believe that Jesus will not let one believer slip through his fingers. That's why there are two Raptures. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: More Pearls from the Enoch Article

J. R. Church has certainly stepped up his ministry, maybe he won't pass away from cancer before the Rapture takes him home to be with the Lord this Spring just like his hero Enoch.

"But to the just he will give peace, and will protect the chosen, and mercy will abide over them, and they will all be God’s, and will be prosperous and blessed, and the light of God will shine for them.

"And behold, he comes with myriads of the holy to pass judgment upon them, and will destroy the impious, and will call to account all flesh for everything the sinners and the impious have done and committed against him" (Enoch 1:1-9)

In this passage, we are told that Enoch’s eyes were divinely "opened," so that a heavenly vision appeared before him. This opening of his eyes seems to be a reference to a spiritual experience, not unlike what Daniel saw in his night visions, or Ezekiel saw on the plains of Shinar, or what John saw in the Book of Revelation. God "opened" his eyes in a fashion similar to Stephen, who declared to the religious council, "I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God" (Acts 7:56).

Enoch saw a vision of what will occur at the end of the sixth millennium. He said that the vision was not for his generation, but for the "far-off generations, which are to come." In light of current events, that could be our generation.

Furthermore, Enoch was attended by angels, who showed him this vision of the Second Coming of Christ, whom he called "the Holy and Great One, who will come from his abode" — that is, from heaven. He referred to Christ as "the God of the world." And, indeed, He is — and will be revealed as such when He appears in power and great glory, bringing the saints with Him.

During this vision, Enoch discussed the "chosen" (whom I consider to be the Jewish people), who, according to Enoch, will be gathered in the wilderness, at the ancient mountain where the Law was first given — Mount Sinai. Enoch tells us that Christ will descend to the mountain, just as he had done on that first Pentecost, when Moses and the Chosen People heard a great trumpet, saw a mountain on fire, and received the Ten Commandments from the voice of God. Enoch may be suggesting here that the remnant fleeing Jerusalem after the abomination of desolation, will go to Sinai, rather than Petra, for safety.

He tells us that the "watchers" will tremble. Daniel used this term to refer to angels, and since Enoch tells the story of a group of 200 fallen angels who descended to earth and corrupted the human race, we may suppose that they are the subject of this term in the Book of Enoch. They will be aware of God’s final judgment and will tremble at their dismal prospects.

Enoch said that our planet will experience global earthquakes, leveling mountains and spewing flames or molten lava that will look like melting wax. He said that the earth would be submerged, not in water as in the days of Noah, but in fire. He said that "the earth will be destroyed, and there will be a judgment upon everything." In the book of Revelation, John describes the destruction of Mystery Babylon: "She shall be utterly burned with fire" (Rev. 18:8).

Afterward, Christ will appear with the saints to save the Jews, as described by John in the Book of Revelation:

"And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

"And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God" (Rev. 19:14,15).

The scene set forth in this first chapter clearly refers to the close of the Tribulation Period. Why should Enoch open his book with the final chapter first? Because this is the most exciting event of all time, and the primary theme of all prophecy. Without telling us up front that this book is about that glorious event, many would pass it by as an ancient fairy tale concocted around some nocturnal campfire. It is certain that what we are about to read in this book is quite imaginative, and could be misconstrued as fiction, when, in fact, it is all true.

My reply

> > Enoch may be suggesting here that the remnant fleeing Jerusalem after the abomination of desolation, will go to Sinai, rather than Petra, for safety.

The Israelites never left the desert the whole way from Egypt to Mt. Sinai in the desert of Sin. Num 33:11 says, "And they removed from the Red sea, and encamped in the wilderness (midbar, desert) of Sin." That seems like a less-likely spot for them to hole up in for the last half of the Tribulation.

The Book of Enoch is not Scripture. It is thought to have been written c. 200 - 100 BC. Therefore, we have to compare anything it says with Scripture.

Rev. 12:14-16 says, "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, INTO HER PLACE, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a FLOOD after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."

When it rains, Petra will flood unless steps are taken to divert the water. Therefore, I think Petra is a good choice. I searched for "Floods at Petra" on Google. The first two things were just what I was looking for. I have seen pictures of Petra's waterworks.
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"Watershed Management: A Tool For Flood Mitigation In The Petra Area" Presnted by: Dr. Abdin Salih, UNESCO Tehran Office
http://www.gwadi.org/shortcourses/RW-Petra-05a.pdf

Petra is located about 260 km south of Amman, between the Dead Sea and Aqaba

Petra was carved in sandstone canyons by the Nabatean Arabs over 2,400 years ago and is sometimes called the rosy rock city

A major tourist attraction -- the jewels of Jordan

Floods pose a serious threat to the tourism activities in Petra as well as to Petra monuments themselves

To alleviate the impact of floods on tourist activities in Petra, flood mitigation measures are investigated including afforestation, terracing, construction of check and storage dams

Most of these measures were widely used by the Nabatean of Petra about 2400 years ago."
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"Petra: An Eroding Ancient City"
Naomi Lubick
http://www.geotimes.org/june04/feature_petra.html

The Nabataeans prevented floods from destroying the city through a damming system that diverted water from the wadi. They also lined the Siq — a gorge or narrow chasm that leads from the outside desert to the entrance of the old city and one of Petra’s largest monuments, known as the Treasury — with water channels. This system of channels and dams controlled water flow and erosion, and provided irrigation water to the settlement.

In addition to archeological investigations, satellite imagery is revealing just how sophisticated the Nabataeans were “in terms of sculpting the ground and the rock face to facilitate the natural flow of rainwater. That’s the way they could keep erosion minimized,” Markoe says. “It’s the breakdown of that system over the past centuries that is contributing to the environmental hazard.” Sand deposits and rocks carried by flash flooding now bury the courtyard and steps that once led up to the imposing facade of the Treasury, Markoe says — piled more than 20 feet thick, “dramatic evidence of how quickly flash flooding can devastate the site,” he says. ---
> > It is certain that what we are about to read in this book is quite imaginative, and could be misconstrued as fiction, when, in fact, it is all true.

There is some truth in the Book of Enoch, but it is not all true. Therefore, we have to compare what it says with Scripture. For instance, the Book of Enoch says that the angels built the Ark. The Bible says that Noah built the Ark. The Book of Enoch is thought to have been written c. 200 - 100 BC. It has in it things Enoch, Lamech and Noah were supposed to have said. The only safe thing is to compare it with Scripture. Agape

FLOODING IN PETRA

http://www.gwadi.org/shortcourses/RW-Petra-05a.pdf

In 1963 flood, the dam at the entrance of the Siq was filled up with sediment and consequently flood water overtopped the dam and entered the Siq instead of being diverted through the tunnel of Wadi Al-Mudhlim.

Eye witnesses stated that the flood water depth was about 10 m in some areas of the Siq passage. Despite the great emergency efforts by different authorities in Jordan, it was not possible to rescue all the tourists trapped in the Siq, twenty lost their lives due to that flood event.

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