Pro and Con 148, Uploaded 7-8-98

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Amen to Caps Man. Re: P/C 147
I say Amen to the person who wrote to Mr. CAPS to keep on going...I for one look forward to his prophecies, and when its in ALL CAPS I know it is from him.  GOD BLESS YOU Mr. Capps and you too Marilyn, there are those out there who love you and hunger for the meat of the word!   You just "let go and let GOD!"

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Have you heard about the law that was passed in October '96 to become effective 10/1/2000? It requires States to digitize all drivers; licenses with biometric info such as fingerprints, retina scans, DNA prints, voice prints, etc. for example).This was SUPPOSED to be for identifying illegal immigrants. To facilitate this law, Clinton recently signed an Executive Order 12083 allowing the federal govt, to force anything it wants on the states. I know we won't be on earth to see this take effect, but how it fits into implementing the mark of the beast. I am so sorry for those who refuse to believe that Christ's return is very near. Thank you for all you have written to wake so many up.

My reply

I had not heard, but it figures, doesn't it. We have been told of what is coming, so see the day drawing near. It is not going to be a fun time.

We are living in the times when evil is coming to a head, Christ is at the door, and when it opens, we must be ready, for He comes quickly. The lesson taught by the door began with Cain. Gen. 4:7 says, "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted: and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door." A bloodless offering of the fruit of his own works was of no value, for without shedding of blood is no remission of sin. We have to accept the true door, Christ, to make it through Heaven's door. His was the only sacrifice that counts for he was the only one without sin.

We long to be taken up as Noah in the Ark and rest "upon the mountains of Ararat (lit., holy ground, i.e., Heaven)" (Gen. 8:4).

Some people think the Rapture could be on the Feast of Trumpets. I think the Pre-Wrath Rapture will be on the Feast of Trumpets, but if the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9 applies, that would knock 5758 out of the four-year countdown to the Tribulation (5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761; our 2001).

Also, Jesus says to the church under persecution, "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty (because they can't take the mark of the beast)...the devil shall cast SOME OF YOU (not all) into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation TEN DAYS" (Rev. 2:9,10). The word translated days means a period of time, season, day, year, time, the meaning to be determined by the context. It could indicate ten years, from the Pre-Trib Rapture in 5758 to the Pre-Wrath Rapture in 5768.

I could see the Rapture being as late as Elul 29 (Sunday, Sept. 20, the new moon), the eve of the Feast of Trumpets though. That was the day Eve was taken out of the body of Adam, the day she became "his wife" (Gen. 2:24). It was on the 6th day, and this is the 6000th year of man's test being mortal and knowing both good and evil. Fittingly, the Jews blow the ram's horn every day during the month of Elul and then all day (actually, they blow at intervals during the day until 100 blasts have been blown) on the Feast of Trumpets. Sept. 20 would also still be summer. This year, autumn begins Sept. 23.

When the Angel of the Lord was talking to Abraham about Sarah having a son, he said, "I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life, and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son" (Gen. 18:10). What is "the time of life,"? when Adam was created?

For me, the most likely time slot for the Rapture now runs from Thur., July 9 (the 40th day from Pentecost on Sivan 6, inclusive reckoning) to Sun., Sept. 20. Forty means testing, Jesus was tested 40 days, and we are the Body of Christ. We are wheat and the wheat harvest is said to be completed in Tamuz, which ends July 23.

Within the span of time from July 9 to Sept. 20, we have two Jewish fast days coming up, the Fast of Tamuz (Sun., July 12) and the Fast of Av (Sun., Aug 2, Av 9). The first is a day of mourning because the walls of Jerusalem were breached. The second is a day of mourning because of the destruction of the temples. Av 9 was the last day Solomon's temple stood, for Jer. 52:12,13 says, "Now in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month...burned the house of the LORD."

We are going to be caught up to New Jerusalem, a city with walls (Rev. 21:15). We also are the temple of the Holy Spirit, so there could be a connection with these days too. What we have to do is stay ready, bring all to Christ that we can, and wait patiently during this time of testing. It will happen according to God's plan he made before the world began. What we do now may make the difference between our being counted as wise virgins or foolish ones.

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I think that the main thing to remember is that no one knows the day or the hour. If our Lord had wanted us to know exactly when he would return, he would have made it clear. We are meant to live as his disciples on earth until he returns. Your predictions do not make any sense in light of the fact that the Lord will return when He sees fit to return. We are not meant to know that. This whole "bible code" thing has no support in any mainstream Jewish or Chistian sect. In the true God and Christ of the Bible

My reply

We may not know the day or the hour, but we are sure watching, as he commanded. We are searching the scriptures daily.

The main thing is to be ready and love one another.

> If our Lord had wanted us to know exactly when he would return, he would have made it clear.

Are you sure? Was it that clear when he was coming the first time? Yet, Jesus scolded the Pharisees for not knowing. He said, "O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?" (Mt. 16:3).

The month and day of the month is there for the Second Advent, but it was overlooked for a long long time. See Ezek. 29:17,21, Hos. 6:1-3. Things are set forth line upon line, "here a little, and there a little," so the wicked would "fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken" (Isa. 28:9-13).

I am not predicting. I am not a prophet. I just study hard and say that this is the way it looks to me. My work has nothing to do with the Bible Codes. That has come from others. My work was in print way before I ever heard of Bible Codes.

> This whole "bible code" thing has no support in any mainstream Jewish or Chistian sect.

Whether the Bible Codes are real or not, those people searching are trying hard to find out. Are we supposed to act like mainstream Pharisees and Sadducees? think we know it all and miss the mark? or are we supposed to leave no stone unturned in our search for the truth? Everything has to be compared to Scripture. If it agrees, good; keep it. If it does not agree, throw it out.

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...You seem to be doing fine, as well you should be. May 31 passed, but, as I am sure many have told you, your work has led many to refocus upon Jesus and His soon return. I have kept up some with your web page and especially appreciate your measured replys to the naysayers.

I believe your emphasis on Pentecost's association with the rapture is right on target. It could very well be that we are in the correct year - the 50th from Israel's Proclamation of Independence. I also agree with your method of starting the count at the start of the Sacred year following the Proclamation (March 1949). My study of Gen. 5 led me to believe the Patriarchs used the same methodology for the ancient calendar. If you are correct, then the rapture could be anytime this Sacred year which ends, at least according to the standard Hebrew calendar, the evening of March 17, 1999. As has been pointed out, the Church's beginning was not at the beginning of the 50th day, rather at some point during the 50th day, so it seems to me, the rapture, if we are to follow this type, could occur during the 50th year. Sure hope so. My opinion, for reasons different than expressed on your web page, leans quite strongly towards the middle of July. Still looking up

My reply

Mid July would suit me just fine. It's still in the month of Tamuz, when the wheat harvest is completed. The 40th day since Sivan 6, by inclusive reckoning, is Thur., July 9. The Fast of Tamuz, mourning the time when the walls of Jerusalem were breached is coming up Sunday, July 12. We'll soon know if they have any connection.

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Re: author of "The Arithmetic of God"
I have wondered how to best answer you on who the author is. Don Kistler penned this book but gives the glory and credit to our Lord Jesus Christ as being the actual author.

This may be a stumbling block for some, even though our spirits may bear testimony that what this book contains is true. Let me just quote from the forward of the book and let it speak for itself:

"This book was given by inspiration of the Holy Ghost, the Author is the Alpha and Omega. His name is Yeshua, Salvation, Jesus Christ by Which all things were created, for He is the I am, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Author brings forth the Word of God so really that the truth comes to revelation and leads one to know that the Spirit cannot be seen, but Jesus Chist is the Spirit. The Living Word of God becomes alive and reveals Himself as Spirit and Truth and shall come again in Glory. Words can be changed and given private interpretation but numbers remain the same in all languages and dialects. The Author did not put all of His Word into this book, but enough of it to convince the reader the "The Arithmetic of God" will bring on a unity of the faith which is Spirit and Truth.

This is not some commentary of the Word of God, but is infallible proof that men of God, written with the mind of Jehovah. The scribe who penned this book has only written what the audible voice of God revealed to him, no more and no less. What God reveals to you by this revelation will be the knowledge and wisdom of God Jehovah, Jesus Christ, it will not be of man. Don Kistler, a Jew completed, is the scribe of this revelation hid since the foundation of the world for this end time generation."

My reply

This is certainly a stumbling block for me. I don't think Scripture can be added to. He is coming on too strong. We can take it as his opinion, but not as anything more. It has to be compared with Scripture.

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Forgive the informality which e-mail seems to offer. I have been following items on the internet about the Rapture including your article on "Old Testament Bible Chronology". I thought this was very good, and you must have spent many hours working on it. (I have studied an interesting work, supposedly written by Enoch before the flood, which is 10 weeks of 700 years. Note: 7,000 years again. Very close to the Bible time scale too.)

My reply

Please do be informal, and thanks for your kind words.

I downloaded this from the Internet. Jewish sages say that:
> As to the trumps the Feasts are called by the names
> Pentecost= First trump
> RoshHaShanah=LAst trump
> Atonement= Great trump

I thought that this fit the first Rapture on Pentecost, the second on the Feast of Trumpets and God's acceptance of the remnant of Israel on the following Day of Atonement. Unless this year is wrong, this can't be, and yet, this year seems to have more going for it than any other year.

We know that the first trumpet sounded at Sinai around the time of Pentecost. Ex. 19:13 is the first mention of a trumpet in the Bible.

In Nu. 10:2-4, the Israelites were to make "two trumpets of silver." They were to be used for the "calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps." One trumpet was used when the heads of the tribes were to be gathered. Two were used when all the assembly was called. "And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the DOOR of the tabernacle of the congregation."

If all the assembly gather at the door, then wouldn't the heads of the tribes also gather at the door? I think the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles are the elders of Rev. 4:4: "And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (thrones): and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold." They represent all that are caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture because they say, "thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION" Rev. 5:9).

Are we now symbolically gathered at the door? awaiting its opening? It didn't say that the door was open, only that they gathered at the door. Mt. 24:33 (Berkeley Version) says, "He is so near, He is at the door." This seems to be 1967. By Rev. 3:8, Jesus says, I have set before thee an open door." Rev. 4:1 says, "a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard (Christ, Rev. 1:10) was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither."

Are there other days on which a trumpet is blown?

Nu. 10:10 says, "Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets. Av 1 is coming up Fri., July 24. Elul 1 is Sunday, Aug. 23. Either upcoming Fast day could be called a solemn day. The Fast of Tamuz (Sun,. July 12 this year) was a day of mourning because the walls of Jerusalem were breached. The Fast of Av (Sun., Aug. 2) was also a day of mourning because of the destruction of the temples. Tishri 1 (Mon., Sept. 21) is the Feast of Trumpets.

I think Rapture II is on the Feast of Trumpets. Maybe the first one is too, but that would mean that the Jewish year 5758 was over. The four years that seem to fit the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9 are 5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761. In my head, the remainder of 5758 still seems the most likely time.

Re: Herod. He could have died in BC 1, not long after the eclipse of the Moon on Jan. 10, BC 1. It seems to fit. I think Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets in BC 5. The wise men visited him when he was about two years old in BC 3. They visited him in a house and Herod had the boy babies killed in Bethlehem that were two years and under. Then Herod died in BC 1.

I think BC 3 was the beginning of the Age of the Church. BC 3 + 2000 years is 1998 AD because there is no zero year between BC 1 and 1 AD. The 2000-year Age of the Church and the birth of the church are two different things. The church was born on Pentecost in 30 AD, but things leading up to that had already been set in motion. The wise men had symbolically annointed Jesus as Priest and King by the gifts they brought him in BC 3. There was a 2000-year Age of the Gentiles, a 2000-year Age of the Jews, and now a 2000-year Age of the Church. The last 1000-year great day is the Day of the Lord.

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Thank you so very much for being my wake-up call. I'm delving into the scriptures more than I have in years. Looking for something in particular is much more exciting than simply devotional readings.

Could you explain to me some more about the Feast of Trumpets, the two ram's horns (from the substitutional sacrifice for Isaac), the 40 days called Teshuvah, the 30 days leading to Rosh HaShana, and the ten days of Awe. I may know the words, but the meanings are beyond me right now. Also, is there one particular book (or maybe two) that I could read to learn more about the Feasts of Israel?

Again, thank you for sharing your years of study with everyone.

My reply

I understand the excitement when looking for something in particular. I have gathered verses under subject headings so many times. I underline important points with a colored pencil and then just read those to see if something else comes clear.

I sent your email to a friend that I thought would know of a good book. Here is her answer:

"I believe all of your friends queries will be addressed in Rosh HaShanah and the Messianic Kingdom to Come by Joseph Good, order from 1-409-724-7601 or Hatikva Ministries, P.O. Box 3125, Port Arthur Tx 77643. I believe it is about $15.00 including shipping."

Another told me on the phone that a good book is Avi Ben Mordechai's "Signs in the Heavens: A Jewish Messianic Perspective of the Last Days and Coming Millennium." It has a lot more in it than just these things. I enjoyed reading it myself. Avi's email address is: avimarc@aol.com.

The Feast of Trumpets, Rosh HaShanah, Tishri 1, is the New Year, the first day of the Jewish Civil Year. It is when the former rain begins. The shofar is blown 100 times during the day, in a certain pattern of blasts. On page 261, Avi says, "A second major theme of Rosh Hashanah is coronating G-d as King of Israel. Thus the second theme of Rosh Hashanah, in Hebrew, is "Yom Teruah"...It means "Day of the Awakening Blast."

This sure ties in with my ideas. I think that Jesus' Coronation Day is Tishri 1, 5768, on his birthday. I think it is also the day of the Marriage of the Lamb, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb--all in Heaven. On Earth, it is the day of the awakening blast, the asteroid impact. All Israel is saved in a day, that day. It is the Day of God's Wrath.

Listen as John tells us of that day: "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, the kingdoms of this world ARE become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall REIGN for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders...Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (Tishri 1, 5768), and wast (First Advent, born on Tishri 1), and art TO COME (the Second Advent is still 7 months in the future, Ezek. 39:12); because thou HAST taken to thee thy great power, and HAST reigned. And the nations were angry (the army under Gog is attacking Israel), and THY WRATH IS COME (Ezek. 38:18), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth" (Rev. 11:15-18).

Psa. 98:6 ties in: "With TRUMPETS and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King....THE LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims (two planets); let the earth be moved (it will be turned upside down, Isa. 24:1). The LORD is great in Zion (the heavenly one); and he is high above all the people."

Re: the two rams horns. On page 260, Avi says, "Together the imagery of the first trump and the last trump completes the End-Times salvation picture as seen on Mount Moriah with Avraham (Abraham), Yitzchak (Isaac) and the two-horned ram; the left horn represents the first trump, the right horn represents the last trump. The first trump is the first redemption and betrothal of G-d's bride--the Jews. The last trump is the final redemption and betrothal of HaMashiach and His bride made up of Jews and Gentiles (physical and spiritual Israel)....We now wait for the last trump which heralds the rapture and resurrection at the start of the Last Day."

Today, the Jews keep the Feast of Trumpets two days, but refer to it as one long day. The Torah readings on Rosh HaShanah are about the birth if Isaac the first day and of his binding the next day. They think that a king sits on the judgment seat and has the books of life and death open before him on Rosh HaShanah. They also think that Rosh HaShanah is the birthday of the world.

I think that this "kosmos," order of things, did began to operate on Tishri 1 on the Saturday after Adam was created. That was the day God rested. However, I think the first trump is the Pre-Trib Rapture and the last trump is the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Things happened to Israel as examples for us upon whom the ends of the ages are come.

The 40 days called Teshuvah, repentance, are the 40 days ending with Yom Kippur, The Day of Atonement. Forty because Moses was on Mt. Sinai 40 days and is thought to have returned on Yom Kippur.

The 30 days leading to Rosh HaShana include the month of Elul. The shofar is blown after the morning service each day of Elul as a reminder to repent and get ready for Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur. In "The Jewish Holidays," Michael Strassfeld says, "During the month of Elul, we begin to examine our lives and our relationships. Then comes Rosh Ha-Shanah with its blasts of the shofar meant to awaken our slumbering souls to time's passage and to what we have done and, more important, what we could do with our lives. The new year gives us a chance to reshape our lives in our better image by reminding us of our humanity and our relationship to the Divine. All this preparation is training every day to be ready for the spiritual marathon of Yom Kippur--the day on which we almost ceaselessly pray for forgiveness and renewal."

The ten days of Awe are the days from Rosh HaShanah (Tishri 1) to Yom Kippur (Tishri 10). They are days for heavy repentance, considered to be days of judgment, and they want to have their names inscribed in the Book of Life then if they were not already listed on Rosh HaShanah.

All these things fit the end times so well. On Tishri 1, 5768, I expect the asteroid impacts (Rev. 8:8,10) to be the awakening blast that wakes Israel up. That is when the nation is saved in a day (Isa. 66:8). It is the day the Sign of the Son of Man is seen. Those that did not make it out in Rapture II or get killed will accept Christ as their Messiah and be accepted on Yom Kippur, The Day of Atonement. They will live on into the Millennium on Earth.

After the "mountains shall be thrown down" the Lord says, "Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the EYES of many nations, and they shall KNOW that I am the LORD" (Ezek. 38:20,23). When they see him that day, he is seated on his throne. Rev. 6:14-17 says, "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together,; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth...and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

This is Feast of Trumpets, the day of thick darkness (Joel 2:1,2), not the Second Advent. Ezek. 39:12 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day (Nisan 1, 5768, first day of the Jewish Regnal Year and Sacred Year) that I shall be glorified (his return in glory), saith the Lord GOD." For there to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, it must be a Jewish leap year, and 5768 is a leap year. This cannot be slid backward or forward one or two years for it must be a leap year.

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