Pro and Con 1481

Posted 4-20-09

"Thousands of dolphins block Somali pirates"

2009-04-14 - The Chinese merchant ships escorted by a China's fleet sailed on the Gulf of Aden when they met some suspected pirate ships. THOUSANDS of dolphins suddenly leaped out of water between pirates and merchants when the pirate ships headed for the China's.

The suspected pirates ships stopped and then turned away. The pirates could only lament their littleness befor the vast number of dolphins. The spectacular scene continued for a while....

China's first fleet has escorted 206 vessels, including 29 foreign merchant vessels, and successfully rescued three foreign merchant ships from pirate attacks.

That reminds me of our experience with dolphins

This scene is similar to what we saw from our sailboat, except that we were leaning on the railing and a much smaller pod was close to the boat. We felt like we could almost touch them. We saw the dolphins close-up and life-size, and marvelled that in the wild, they would crisscross in front of the boat and perform for us their synchronized jumps in the air three at a time. They love to play like that in the wild.

I thank you Lord, for sending the dolphins to turn back the pirates. In Jesus' name, Amen.

Re: the James Ossuary

Dennis L Oberholtzer United States (7/2/2008 4:33:07 PM)

As a stone mason for 20 years, there is a scenario I believe that has not been discussed. If the words on the ossuary were written at two different times, it only reasons that the first carving was very early, likely 1st Century. The "Jesus" part would have been carved recently, and therefore the stone material would have been dried and more brittle. This would have caused a more deteriorated and jagged edge on the letters. I do not recall noticing such on the pictures.

Eastern Orthodox dates

Palm Sunday is 12 April, 2009.
Good Friday is 17 April, 2009.
Paskha (Orthodox Easter) is Sunday, 19 April, 2009.
Ascension is Thursday, 28 May, 2009.
Saturday of Souls is 6 June, 2009.
Pentecost is Sunday, 7 June, 2009.

The Holy Fire came down on time

Saturday, Apr. 18, 2009, the Holy Fire came down in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. Could that indicate that the Rapture would be next Wednesday? I don't know. It doesn't fit Nisan 21 on the Jewish Calendar. The Eastern Orthodox Easter, Sunday, April 19, is figured using the Julian Calendar.

Look at the strange way 2 of the flames turn direction at a right angle in the picture.

Orthodox Christians Celebrate Holy Fire Ritual in Jerusalem
By Robert Berger, 18 April 2009

...The congregation cheered as the flame spread to thousands of worshippers holding candles and illuminating the dark, cavernous church. It symbolizes that Jesus, the risen Lord, is the light of the world.

"Orthodox celebrate holy fire riutal in Jerusalem"
By Alon Bernstein, Apr 18, 2009

"Inside the darkened church, worshippers clutching bundles of unlit tapers and torches waited expectantly as the Greek Orthodox Patriarch in the Holy Land, Theofilos III, descended with a group of Greek, Armenian and other Orthodox clergy into Jesus' traditional tomb. After the flame appeared there, Theofilos passed it from the tomb to believers inside the church's main hall, who cheered and wept, and rushed to light their own candles and torches.


(Note the dates) Daniil, Russian Orthodox Abbot (1106-1107) By C. W. Wilson. London, 1888

At the end of the ninth hour, when they commenced chanting the Canticle of the passage (of the Red Sea), 'Cantabo Domino,' a small cloud, coming suddenly from the east, rested above the open dome of the church; fine rain fell on the Holy Sepulchre, and wet us and all those who were above (beyond?) the Tomb. It was at this moment that the Holy Light suddenly illuminated the Holy Sepulchre, shining with an awe-aspiring and splendid brightness. The bishop, who was followed by four deacons, then opened the doors of the Tomb, and entered with the taper of Prince Baldwin so as to light it first at the Holy Light; he afterwards returned it to the Prince, who resumed his place, holding, with great joy, the taper in his hands. We lighted our tapers from that of the Prince, and so passed on the flame to everyone in the church.

"Holy Week and Pascha in Jerusalem" (WHEN THE COLUMN SPLIT AND HOLY FIRE CAME OUT)

Monk Parthenius, mount Afon (1845-1846)

...At one o'clock in the afternoon, they opened the holy great gates of the church. The people rushed into the church, and there was a great din in the church. Everyone rushed to get a place. We were already occupying our places. In a minute the whole church was filled with people....

...the incident happened something like this: At one time when the Greeks were completely oppressed by the Turkish yoke, some rich Armenians took it into their heads to force the Greeks out of the Holy Sepulchre and out of the Church of the Resurrection. They gathered a large sum of money and bribed the Ottoman Porte and all the Jerusalem authorities, assuring the unbelievers that the Holy Fire comes forth not simply for the sake of the Greeks, but for all Christians, and "if we Armenians are there, we also will receive it!" And the Turks, who are greedy for money, accepted the bribe and therefore did as the Armenians wished, and they affirmed that only the Armenians would be allowed to receive the Holy Fire. The Armenians rejoiced greatly and wrote to all their lands and to their faithful, that more of them should go on a pilgrimage. And a great multitude of them did come. Holy Saturday approached: the Armenians all gathered in the church, and the Turkish army drove the poor Greeks out. Oh, what unspeakable grief and sorrow filled the Greeks! There was only one comfort for them -- the Grave of the Saviour, and they were being kept away from it, and the Holy Gates were locked to them! The Armenians were inside the church and the Orthodox were on the streets. The Armenians were rejoicing and the Greeks were weeping. The Armenians were celebrating and the Greeks were bitterly lamenting! The Orthodox stood opposite the Holy Gates on the court and around them stood the Turkish army, watching so that there would not be a fight. The Patriarch himself with all the rest stood there with candles, hoping that they would at least receive the Fire from the Armenians through the window. But the Lord wished to dispose things in a different way, and to manifest His true Faith with a fiery finger and comfort His true servants, the humble Greeks. The time had already come when the Holy Fire issues forth, but nothing happened.

The Armenians were frightened and began to weep, and ask God that He send them the Fire; but the Lord did not hear them. Already a half hour had passed and more, and still no Holy Fire. The day was clear and beautiful; the Patriarch sat to the right side. All of a sudden there was a clap of THUNDER, and on the left side THE MIDDLE MARBLE COLUMN CRACKED AND OUT OF THE FISSURE A FLAME OF FIRE CAME FORTH. The Patriarch arose and lit his candles and all the Orthodox Christians lit theirs from his. Then all rejoiced, and the Orthodox Arabs from Jordan began to skip and cry out, "Thou art our one God, Jesus Christ; one is our True Faith, that of the Orthodox Christians!" And they began to run about all of Jerusalem and raise a din, and to shout all over the city. And to this day they still do this in memory of the incident and they jump and shout, running around the Holy Sepulchre, and they praise the one true God, Jesus Christ, and bless the Orthodox Faith.



This seems to be one of the hot topics on 5 Doves recently, so I feel it is time that I forward one of my tracts to you that I wrote about 12 years ago, with several hundred thousand in circulation. For those of you who believe that ALL Christians will be taken in the Rapture, I hope and pray that you are right. On the other hand, if one believes that way, and feels no need to change his backslidden, lukewarm, compromising, unwatchful, worldly, or fence-straddling ways, WOE BE UNTO HIM, if he suddenly finds the Rapture happened and he was left behind.

Isn't it much safer to get as close to the Lord as we can in these VERY LAST DAYS? Is there any negative in doing that??? It is much safer and wiser to believe that all Christians are NOT going in the Rapture. Not only safer and wiser, but I believe MORE SCRIPTURAL, also. Following is the tract that I wrote:


My reply


I think the foolish virgins will be left behind at the Pre-Trib Rapture, but will be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints.


Mt 25:10-12 tells us about the wise and foolish virgins."And while they (the foolish virgins) went to buy, the bridegroom (Christ) came; and they that were READY went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not."


Rom 10:9,10 is clear. It says, "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

1Cor 3:11 says, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."


All sins up to that time are wiped off the books, and Jesus baptizes us with the Holy Spirit. In Mt 3:11, John the Baptist said, "HE SHALL BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY GHOST".

In Acts 2:38, "Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST."

Eph 4:7 says, "But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the GIFT OF CHRIST."

Mt 28:19 says, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name (singular, one name) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". These three are one. In John 10:30, Jesus said, "I and my Father are one." In John 14:18, Jesus said, "I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU." SALVATION IS FREE

Eph 2:8-10 says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."


Of the Judgment Seat of Christ, Rev 11:17,18 says, "We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast REIGNED. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."


Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him HIS PORTION (i.e., the 2300-day Tribulation, Dan. 8:13,14) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS."

Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him HIS PORTION with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Rev 19:8 says, "And to her (the Bride of Christ) was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."

Mt 22:2,3,11-14 says, "The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding....And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king...take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH. FOR MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN."


1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Rev. 17:14 says that Christ "is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM (i.e., at the 1st Rapture) ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."


1Cor 15:51-53 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption (i.e., some at the first Rapture, some at the second), and this mortal must put on immortality" (i.e., all made immortal at the time of the second Rapture).

1Cor 15:23 says, "But every man in his own order (lit., rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."


2Peter 1:4-19 says, "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: THAT BY THESE YE MIGHT BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE...add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But HE THAT LACKETH THESE THINGS IS BLIND, AND CANNOT SEE AFAR OFF (heaven), AND HATH FORGOTTEN THAT HE WAS PURGED FROM HIS OLD SINS. Wherefore the rather, brethren (believers), give diligence to MAKE YOUR CALLING AND ELECTION SURE: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall".


In John 13:8,10, "Peter saith unto him (Jesus), Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, IF I WASH THEE NOT, THOU HAST NO PART WITH ME....He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean".


1John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."


Rev 7:14,15 says, "These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God".

> > The Rapture is the GREAT ESCAPE

Yes. It will be a miracle. A type is the Exodus through the Red Sea.

> > WATCH YE, therefore, AND PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the son of man (Jesus)."

To me, "ALL" means that the ones that are accounted worthy will escape the whole Tribulation.

> > Rev. 2: 4-5 says, "I have somewhat against thee, because THOU HAS LEFT THY FIRST LOVE. Remember, therefore, from whence thou are fallen, AND REPENT, and do the first works; OR ELSE I WILL COME UNTO THEE QUICKLY, AND WILL REMOVE THY CANDLESTICK OUT OF HIS PLACE, EXCEPT THOU REPENT."

The Lord said, "REPENT...OR ELSE" to the Church. That says it all. We should use I John 1:9 to get ready. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: The Shroud makes a Holographic Image! The word "Lamb" found on the body!

Turin Shroud - 3 Dimensional Holographic Image Brings Out Plaque Bearing The Word Lamb

The Shroud of Turin is one of the most scientifically scrutinized artifacts in recorded history. Through a rigid process of elimination for all naturalistic possibilities it becomes crystal clear that the way in which the image of the man on the Shroud of Turin had to be imprinted was "supernatural" in its process. Many solid lines of evidence pointed to the Shroud's authenticity back in the 1980's yet the carbon dating of the Shroud indicated a medieval age. In spite of the many other solid lines of evidence establishing the authenticity of the Shroud many people unquestionably accepted the carbon dating as valid and presumed the Shroud to be a medieval fake. Yet now the carbon dating question has been thoroughly addressed and refuted in the year 2000 by Joseph G. Marino and M. Sue Benford. Their research with textile experts showing the carbon testing was done with a piece of the Shroud that was subject to expert medieval reweaving in the 1500's has been published in many peer reviewed science journals. Thus the fact that a false age was shown by the 1988 carbon testing has been accepted across the board scientifically.

The following is THE main peer reviewed paper that refutes the 1988 Carbon Dating: Why The Carbon 14 Samples Are Invalid per: Thermochimica Acta Volume 425 pages 189-194 by Raymond N. Rogers Los Alamos National Laboratory University of California

The abstract in Thermochimica Acta reads in part: Preliminary estimates of the kinetics constants for the loss of vanillin from lignin indicate a much older age for the cloth than the radiocarbon analyses. The radiocarbon sampling area is uniquely coated with a yellow/brown plant gum containing dye lakes.

Pyrolysis-mass-spectrometry results from the sample area coupled with microscopic and microchemical observations prove that the radiocarbon sample was not part of the original cloth of the Shroud of Turin. The radiocarbon date was thus not valid for determining the true age of the shroud. The fact that vanillin can not be detected in the lignin on shroud fibers Dead Sea scrolls linen and other very old linens indicates that the shroud is quite old. A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the shroud is between 1300- and 3000-years old. Even allowing for errors in the measurements and assumptions about storage conditions the cloth is unlikely to be as young as 840 years. The paper in Thermochimica Acta is available on Elsevier BV's ScienceDirect online information site. Elsevier is one of the world's largest providers of ethical peer-reviewed scientific technical and medical literature.

Now that the mystery of the flawed carbon dating is settled all major lines of evidence now converge and establish the Shroud as authentic in its mystery of image formation. This rigidly tested and scrutinized artifact establishes the uniqueness of the Shroud among all the ancient artifacts of man found on earth. I know of no other ancient artifact from any other culture which has withstood such intense scrutiny and still remained standing in its claim of supernatural origin. It is apparent God thought this event was so important for us to remember that He took a 'photograph' of the resurrection of Jesus Christ using the Shroud itself as a medium. After years of painstaking research searching through every naturalistic possibility scientists still cannot tell us exactly how the image of the man on the Shroud was imprinted. Even with the advantage of all our advanced space-age technology at their fingertips all scientists can guess is that it was some type of electro-magnetic radiation light that is not natural to this world. For the 'light' that had to be used to make such a precise photographic negative image left no detectable 'heat damage' when it imprinted the image. All electro-magnetic radiation that scientists are familiar with with enough intensity to make an image of a man on that type of medium would have left detectable 'heat damage' on the Shroud.

I have a suggestion if scientists want to find the source for the supernatural light that made the image I suggest they look to the thousands of documented Judeo-Christian after-life experiences of people who have been deceased for a short while. It is in their testimonies that you find mention of an indescribably bright 'Light' or 'Being of Light' who is always described as being of a much brighter light than the people had ever seen before. All people who have been in the presence of 'The Being of Light' while deceased have no doubt whatsoever that the 'The Being of Light' they were in the presence of is none other than 'The Lord' of heaven and earth. Another very interesting point is since the Shroud had to be extremely close to the body when the image was made and also considering the lack of any distinctive shadow pattern on the image it is made apparent the only place this supernatural light that produced the image could have possibly come from is from the body itself In other words THE SOURCE OF LIGHT WAS THE BODY ITSELF God's crowning achievement for this universe was not when He created this universe in its stunning grandeur and complexity.

God's crowning achievement for this universe was when He Himself inhabited the human body He had purposely created the whole universe for to sanctify human beings unto Himself through the de ath and resurrection of his 'Son' Jesus Christ. This is truly something that should fill anyone who reads this with awe.

The wonder of it all is something that I can scarcely begin to understand much less write about. Thus I will finish my paper with a scripture. Hebrews 2:14-15 "Since we God's children are human beings - made of flesh and blood - He became flesh and blood too by being born in human form for only as a human being could He die and in dying break the power of the devil who had the power of death. Only in that way could He deliver those who through fear of death have been living all their lives as slaves to constant dread."

Turin Shroud - 3 Dimensional Holographic Image Brings Out Plaque Bearing The Word Lamb.

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