Pro and Con 1484

Posted 5-3-09

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Pope Benedict said, "Even non-believers can be saved, even if he lacks Biblical faith" Nov 05 / Zenit News

Pope on his throne

Rom 10:9,10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

A sign in the Constellation LEO (

GRB 090423: The Farthest Explosion Yet Measured

An explosion so powerful it was seen clear across the visible universe was recorded in gamma-radiation last week by NASA's orbiting Swift Observatory. Farther than any known galaxy, quasar, or optical supernova, the gamma-ray burst recorded last week was clocked at redshift 8.2, making it the farthest explosion of any type yet detected. Occurring only 630 million years after the Big Bang, GRB 090423 detonated so early that astronomers had no direct evidence that anything explodable even existed back then....AN EXCITING POSSIBILITY IS THAT THIS GAMMA-RAY BURST OCCURRED IN ONE OF THE VERY FIRST GENERATION OF STARS...

My comments

It's fantastic that GRB 090423, THE MOST DISTANT EXPLOSION EVER DETECTED, is in the Constellation LEO. That's where Saturn is now, and it will still be there on May 29, 2009, Pentecost. The Lord planned this GRB detection a long, long time ago....

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: Bruce Warner (29 Apr 2009)
"REPLY TO: Carol Garza RE: (28 Apr 2009) WARNING SIGNS"

You said,
> > Scripture tells us that there are no 'WAY IN ADVANCE WARNING SIGNS' that so many people are looking for. When we hear 'the shout with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet of God' we will be on our way."

After my heart hit the floor, I read that again and thought, "To me, there are signs. In 1917, Gen. Allenby took Jerusalem without a fight. In 1948, Israel became a nation again. In 1967, Israel grew leaves in the Six-Day War, and what about the Gamma Ray Bursts?

"1. GRB 080319B, in Bootes (representing Christ, and meaning "he comes," was the brightest Gamma Ray Burst afterglow ever seen. "2. GRB 080916C, in Carina (the keel of the ship Argo, which means "a company of travelers," representing the group to be raptured, was way bigger. "3. GRB 090423A, in LEO (which stands for Christ as the Lion of the tribe of Judah), where Saturn is now and will still be on Pentecost, was even bigger, the fartherest away ever detected."

Then, I read your other post and relaxed a bit:
"Bruce Warner (29 Apr 2009)

You said,
> > This coming June 2009 will mark the 42nd Anniversary of the 1967 Six-Day War. We also know that the earth will experience a 7-year tribulation before the 'Second Coming of Christ'. When we add 42 years (since 1967) to the 7 years of the tribulation we have a total of 49 years which is exactly 'ONE JUBILEE YEAR CYCLE' ending on Tishri 1, 5777 (October 3, 2016). Remember, this date does not have to be at THE END OF 'THIS GENERATION', only before the end!"

Whew! That's better. Thank you Lord, that Scripture doesn't say, "that there are no 'WAY IN ADVANCE WARNING SIGNS' that so many people are looking for."

What it does say is the following.

In Luke 21:-36, Jesus said, "And THERE SHALL BE SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. WATCH YE THEREFORE, AND PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS THAT SHALL COME TO PASS, AND TO STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN."

I'm watching, and praying that I will be accounted worthy to escape the Tribulation.

I am expecting the Pre-Trib Rapture and beginning of the Tribulation on Pentecost, May 29, 2009. Daniel's 2300-day shortened Tribulation would therefore end on the Day of God's Wrath, the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015. The 2300 days are figured by Jewish inclusive reckoning, because they are a block of time.

This puts the announcement of the coming Jubilee Year on the following Day of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015. The Jubilee Year would then start the following Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016), the day of the Second Advent, on the first day of the Regnal, Sacred, and Jubilee Year.

Eze. 38's Gog and Magog war takes place on the Day of God's Wrath. Every wall will fall in the worldwide earthquake (v. 20). That will be the day the towers fall. Between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent is 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13), showing that the final year is a Leap Year, and 5776 is a leap year. For it to also be a Jubilee Year, it must follow a Sabbatic Year. It does - 5775 is a Sabbatic Year. The last Sabbatic Year was 5768. 5768 + 7 = 5775. Also, 5775 divides evenly by 7.

A generation is 48.33 years (Mt. 1:17). The Six-Day War of 1967 + 48 years = 2015. The third of a year is 4 months, the same 4 months Jesus mentioned when in Sivan, he said the fields were already white for harvest, Sivan, Tamuz, Av and Elul. The next day after Elul 29 is Tishri 1, the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture just before the Wrath of God hits Earth.

I can be wrong, but I can't see any way that the Day of God's Wrath can be later than the Feast of Trumpets in 2015, or that the Tribulation can begin any other time than next Pentecost, May 29, 2009. If we even figure that Pentecost could be May 31, the 2300 days won't fit.

Is God going by the Jewish Calendar in use today, or is he going by the new crescent Moon? Since the majority of people wouldn't know how to go by sighting the new crescent Moon, I think the Lord is going by the Jewish Calendar. Over a long period of time, it is the most accurate calendar in the world.
The Jewish Calendar notes say,
"The average length of a month is 29.530594 days, extremely close to the mean synodic month (time from new Moon to next new Moon) of 29.530588 days. Such is the accuracy that more than 13,800 years elapse before a single day discrepancy between the calendar's average reckoning of the start of months and the mean time of the new Moon."
"Jewish Calendar Stats:
The accuracy of the Hebrew calendar is fixed by the value of the mean lunation period coupled to the 19 year cycle of 235 lunar months. This is called a molad (new moon), which is exactly 29 days, 12 hours and 793 halakim (parts), or 3 1\3 seconds. One hour is broken into 1080 halakim. This means that the computations for a date are so accurate that any mean lunar conjunction can be found within 1 day in 14,000 years. A 1 day error in 14,000 years. (Gregorian: 1 day per 3300 years error) (Julian: 1 day in 128 years error). That leads to an average Hebrew year length of 365.2468 days. The mean tropical solar year is about 365.2422 days. Hence, the average Hebrew year is slower than the average solar year by about one day in every 216 years. That means that today, we celebrate the holidays, on average about 8 days later than did our ancestors in 359 AD at the time that the fixed calendar rules were published. This makes the Hebrew calendar the MOST ACCURATE IN THE WORLD because it takes into account the lunar and solar cycles."
Bruce Warner (29 Apr 2009)
"REPLY TO: Carol Garza RE: (28 Apr 2009) WARNING SIGNS"

You are absolutely right! We are 100 percent in complete agreement. What I was saying is that Scripture tells us that there are no 'WAY IN ADVANCE WARNING SIGNS' that so many people are looking for. When we hear 'the shout with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet of God' we will be on our way. YBIC, Bruce Warner

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site, Re: FM Riley's, "I don't believe this garbage about the Lord shortening the Tribulation to 2300 days"

From: F.M. Riley (1 May 2009)
"Re: CHART OF CURRENT 'JUBILEE 49-YEAR CYCLE' - An answer for Bruce and the Doves"

> > I counted exactly 2,520 days beginning with May 31, 2009 (Pentecost), and the count ends on April 23, 2016. Very significantly, that date is the 15th day of Abib [Nisan] on the Jewish calendar. In other words, it is the "first day of unleavened bread." That day will be the last day of the Tribulation according to an exact count of 2,520 days.

On the Jewish Calendar, Sivan 6, 5769, Pentecost, is May 29, 2009.

Time and Date:
says, "From and including: Sunday, May 31, 2009
To, but not including : Saturday, April 23, 2016
It is 2519 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date."

Therefore, the 2520th day would be April 24, 2016.

> > I want to make it clear right here that I don't believe this garbage about the Lord shortening the Tribulation to 2300 days. I can read just as well as most people, and apparently a whole lot better than some. Daniel 8:13-14 explicitly starts the count of the 2300 days with the offering of "the daily sacrifice." Can't people even read? .....or do they just read what they want to and ignore the rest? The offering of the daily sacrifice will not even begin until the Jewish Temple has been rebuilt and dedicated during the first 220 days of the Tribulation

As I understand this and his previous writings, Pastor Riley breaks down the 7-year Tribulation into 220 days (for building the Temple), 1040 days (for sacrificing until Mid-Trib) and 1260 days (the Great Tribulation) for a total of 2520 days (7 x 360 = 2520).


Since God's two witnesses arrive at the beginning of the Tribulation, and prophesy 1260 days before the False Prophet kills them Mid-Trib, I think the first half of the Tribulation will be 1260 days.

Rev 11:3-7 says, "I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy A THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks (Moses and Elijah, Zech 4:14), standing before the God of the earth" (at the Transfiguration, Mark 9:4).

Therefore, I divide the Tribulation into 1260 days and 1040 days, for a total of 2300 days. To me, this agrees with Dan. 8:13,14.

Counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning because it is a block of time, the 2300 days fit from May 29, 2009 (Pentecost) to Sept. 14, 2015 (the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of God's Wrath).

There will be a solar eclipse after 6 PM on Sept. 13, 2015. Therefore, it will be on the Jewish Tishri 1, 5776 that starts at 6 PM on Sept. 13.

Rev 6:12-17 applies to the Day of God's Wrath. It says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake (worldwide, Eze. 38:20); and THE SUN BECAME BLACK AS SACKCLOTH OF HAIR, and the moon became as blood; And the stars (aster, stars, asteroids or meteorites) of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"


Dan. 8:9-17 says, "out of one of them came forth a little horn (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet, the 2nd son of perdition; Judas Iscariot being the first), which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. And it waxed great, even to the HOST OF HEAVEN; AND IT CAST DOWN SOME OF THE HOST AND OF THE STARS TO THE GROUND and stamped upon them. Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and BY HIM THE DAILY SACRIFICE WAS TAKEN AWAY (i.e., Mid-Trib), and the place of his sanctuary (i.e., on the asteroid called Wormwood) was cast down. And AN HOST WAS GIVEN HIM AGAINST THE DAILY SACRIFICE (Mid-Trib) by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, HOW LONG SHALL BE THE VISION CONCERNING THE DAILY SACRIFICE (i.e., characterizing the 1260-day first half of the Tribulation), AND THE TRANSGRESSION OF DESOLATION (Mid-Trib), TO GIVE BOTH THE SANCTUARY AND THE HOST TO BE TRODDEN UNDER FOOT? (i.e., during the 1040-day shortened Great Tribulation). And he said unto me, UNTO TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED DAYS (i.e., the 1260-day first half, plus the 1040-day Great Tribulation = 2300 days); THEN SHALL THE SANCTUARY BE CLEANSED (i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of God's Wrath). And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for AT THE TIME OF THE END SHALL BE THE VISION." Thus, there are 2300 days in "the time of the end," the shortened Tribulation.


In Mt 24:20-22, he said, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. AND EXCEPT THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED, THERE SHOULD NO FLESH BE SAVED: but for the elect's sake THOSE DAYS SHALL BE SHORTENED" (i.e., from 2520 days to 2300 days). Rev 12:12 says, "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you (i.e., Mid-Trib), having great wrath, because HE KNOWETH THAT HE HATH BUT A SHORT TIME" (i.e., 1040 days).

At the time of the Rapture, Rev 17:10 says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen (kings of 5 empires: Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece and Imperial Rome), and ONE IS (i.e., the Pontifex Maximus, head of Ecclisiastical Rome), and THE OTHER (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) IS NOT YET COME; AND WHEN HE COMETH (Mid-Trib), HE MUST CONTINUE A SHORT SPACE" (1040 days, from Mid-Trib to the Day of God's Wrath).

Rom 9:28 says, "For he will FINISH THE WORK, AND CUT IT SHORT in righteousness: because A SHORT WORK (i.e., the 1040-day Shortened Tribulation) will the Lord make upon the earth."


At the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture, Moses and Elijah will arrive on Earth (Rev. 11:1-3). Evidently, they will build the altar and start sacrificing, as in Ezra's day, then proceed to oversee building the Temple, which I think will be built between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. The rock under the Dome of the Rock is wider than the Holy of Holies. The back of the Holy of Holies seems to have been lined up with the Wailing Wall. The False Prophet will sit in the Temple Mid-Trib "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4), so the Temple is there at Mid-Trib.


Keep in mind that at the Temple, the altar represented Earth, the Holy Place represented the 1st and 2nd heavens (Mars and Jupiter), and the Holy of Holies represented the 3rd heaven (Saturn) (II Cor. 12:1-3).

At the beginning of the Tribulation, Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me (John, one of the 24 elders of Rev. 4:4) a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise (egeiro, arise, i.e., at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture), and measure the temple of God (i.e., the dead in Christ in the third Heaven, II Cor 12:1-3), and the altar (Earth), and them that worship therein (i.e., the tried and true saints to be raptured). But the court which is without the temple (i.e., left on Earth) leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city (earthly Jerusalem) shall they tread under foot FORTY AND TWO MONTHS (42 x 30 =1260 days, the first half of the Tribulation). And I will give power unto my two witnesses (Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy (on Earth) a thousand two hundred and threescore days (the 1st half of the Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth." They will be killed when the False Prophet becomes Satan-possessed at Mid-Trib.

Of the type, Ezra 3:2-6 says, "Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and BUILDED THE ALTAR of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God. And they set the altar upon his bases; for fear was upon them because of the people of those countries: and they offered burnt offerings thereon unto the LORD, even burnt offerings morning and evening. They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required; And afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the LORD that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the LORD. FROM THE FIRST DAY OF THE SEVENTH MONTH BEGAN THEY TO OFFER BURNT OFFERINGS UNTO THE LORD. BUT THE FOUNDATION OF THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD WAS NOT YET LAID."


Re the type In Mt 13:30, Jesus said, "Let both (tares and wheat) grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest (i.e., Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets) I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."

Rev 14:15-19 says, "And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth (the wheat) is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Continuing, it says, "And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God."


The Second Advent will probably be on April 9, 2016, Nisan 1, 5776, the first day of the Regnal, Sacred and Jubilee Calendars. The year 5776 will follow the Sabbatic Year of 5775 (which divides by 7 equally). A Jubilee Year must follow a Sabbatic Year.

I can be wrong, but this is how it looks to me. Agape

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Cosmic close-up: Sensational images of Saturn show the ringed planet in incredible detail
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Bruce Warner

1967/5728 Previous Jubilee Year - Temple Mount in Jerusalem reclaimed by Israel with Divine Intervention.

1974/5735 year #7 Sabbatical Year #1
1981/5742 year #14 Sabbatical Year #2
1988/5749 year #21 Sabbatical Year #3
1995/5756 year #28 Sabbatical year #4
2002/5763 year #35 Sabbatical year #5
2009/5770 year #42 Sabbatical Year #6 (Sept 18, 2009 is last day of 5769) (Sept 19, 2009 is Tishri 1, 5770)
2016/5777 year #49 Sabbatical Year #7 (Oct 2, 2016 is last day of 5776)
(Oct 3, 2016 is Tishri 1, 5777 - Feast of Trumpets and day #1 of the next Jubilee Year)

NOTICE HOW NICELY THE 7-YEAR TRIBULATION FITS FROM 2009/5770 THRU 2016/5777. Come Lord Jesus! Bruce Warner

My reply

I might be able to zero in a little closer. It is my understanding that all Sabbatic Years divide equally by 7. The Jewish Year 3787, 27 AD, was a Sabbatic Year (3787 divided by 7 = 541).

That was when Jesus began his ministry. On the Day of Atonement 10 days after his 30th birthday on Tishri 1, he stood up in the synagogue in Nazareth and read Isa. 61:1.2, but stopped part way through verse 2.

He read, "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, TO PROCLAIM LIBERTY (i.e., the coming Jubilee Year that would start the following Nisan 1) to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD".

Nisan 1, 3788 (28 AD) was a Jubilee Year. It followed the Sabbatic Year, 3787, and was the 1st year of the new 49-year cycle.

Last year, 5768 (2007/2008) was a Sabbatic Year. The next one will be 5775 (5775 divided by 7 = 825). Therefore, the Jubilee Year could be 5776 (2015/2016). I think the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal, Sacred and Jubilee Year, April 9, 2016.

5776 - 49 years = 5727 (year of the Six-Day War). 5726 was a Sabbatic Year.

Nisan 1, 5776 will be 7 months after the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1, 5776, because 5776 is a Jewish Leap Year with a 13th month. These 7 months agree with Eze. 39:12,13.

Sivan 6, 5769 (May 29, 2009, Pentecost) will be 2300 days from Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). The 2300 days agree with Dan. 8:13,14.

I'm hoping for the Rapture on this Pentecost, May 29, 2008, according to the Jewish Calendar. May 31 doesn't fit. Agape

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