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"Moreover, at that feast which we call PENTECOST, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, THEY FELT A QUAKING, AND HEARD A GREAT NOISE, AND AFTER THAT THEY HEARD A SOUND AS OF A GREAT MULTITUDE, SAYING, "LET US REMOVE HENCE" (Wars VI. V. 3).

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Pope's visit to Israel now to last 5 days, May 11-15

Christian holy sites in Israel 'could be controlled by the Vatican

By Dina Kraft in Tel Aviv, 04 May 2009

The sovereignty of Christian holy sites in Israel could be handed over to the Vatican under plans drawn up by President Shimon Peres.

Those included are reported to be the Church of the Annunciation in Nazareth, the Coenaculum on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, the site where tradition says Jesus held The Last Supper, along with Gethsemane at the bottom of the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, Mount Tabor, and the Church of the Multiplication on the banks of the Sea of Galilee.

It now looks like the literal Babylon will be opened to tourists June 1, after the Pentecost Rapture on May 29, 2009

Iraq to reopen ancient city of Babylon (on June 1, 2009)
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“Our goal is that these sites will be tourist attractions - to convey the real, civilized image of Iraq and to bring as many tourists as possible,” said Iraq's tourism ministry director, Qahtan al-Jibouri.

“Iraq needs another source of funding in addition to oil.”

No precautions have been taken against damages that may be inflicted on the site by tourists after Babylon is officially opened on June 1, 2009.

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: We only agree on one thing, April 8/9, 2016, Nisan 1, 5776, Second Advent
To: Donna Cothran (13 Nov 2008)
Re: The New 2009-2016 Timeline

> > At the conclusion of that Jewish seven month period clean-up campaign, it will then be time for the Lord Jesus Christ to start His reign in Jerusalem on April 8/9, 2016 or the first day of Nisan on the revised Jewish calendar

While disagreeing with the rest of your timeline, I wholeheartedly agree on April 8/9, 2016, Nisan 1, 5776, for the Second Advent. The following is the timeline as I see it.

If the Jubilee year is to begin with the Second Advent, it must follow a Sabbatic Year, one which divides evenly by 7. There is no way around that. The Jewish 5768 (2007/2008) and 5775 (2015/2016) are Sabbatic Years.

The Jewish 5776 is perfect for the Jubilee. Thus, Nisan 1, 5776 would be the first day of the Regnal, Sacred and Jubilee Year. Jesus would be seated on his Earthly throne on the same day all the other Hebrew kings were officially seated on their thrones.

The year 5776 is a Leap Year too. That is necessary, because there are 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, and the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776 instead of the usual 6.

Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." He will return in glory at the Second Advent.

Seven months before Nisan 1, 5776 will be Tishri 1, 5776, the day of the Gog and Magog attack upon Israel (Eze. 38:18-20). That should be the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture and the Day of God's Wrath. Every wall worldwide will fall in the worldwide earthquake that day when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 impact Earth. The cities of the world will be in shambles.

Rev. 15:17-20 says, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE MEN WERE UPON THE EARTH, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of HIS WRATH. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."

On the regular Jewish Calendar, Nisan 1, 5776 will be the first day of the Regnal, Sacred, and Jubilee Calendars. It will follow the Sabbatic Year of 5775, which divides evenly by 7, and is the next Sabbatic Year after 5768, which ended last September when the Dow closed at 777.68 on Sept. 29, 2008. Rounded up, that was 777.7, surely a sign. However, I now think that 77.6 pointed to year 5776, seven years from 5769, which started Sept. 30, 2008.

Thus, the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 would run from 5769(2008/2009) through 5776 (2015/2016). By the end of 5776, Dan 9:24 will be history. It says, "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

Dan. 9:27 says, "And he (the False Prophet) shall confirm (strengthen) the covenant with many for one week (7 years): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (when he sits in the Temple shewing himself that he is God (II Thess. 2:4), and for the overspreading of abominations (idols) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

A friend reminded me that the USA was born in 1776. There's that 776 again. Will the USA as we know it end up running from the Gregorian 1776 to the Jewish 5776? She also reminded me that a Monster Solar Eclipse is coming up 7, 22, 2009. It will be the longest total solar eclipse in the 21st century, lasting 6.6 minutes and covering a huge area, including China.

The years 2014 and 2015 will be marked with a rare total Lunar Eclipse tetrad, 4 blood moons marking the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Tabernacles.

April 15, 2014, Nisan 15, 2014, Feast of Unleavened Bread
Oct 8, 2014, Tishri 14, 2014, Eve of Tabernacles
April 4, 2015, Nisan 15, 2015, Feast of Unleavened Bread
Sept 29, 2015, Tishri 15, 2015, Feast of Tabernacles

There will also be 4 Solar Eclipses in 2014 and 2015, all on the 29th.
April 29, 2014, Nisan 29, 5774
Oct 23, 2014, Tishri 29, 5775
March 20, 2015, Adar 29, 5775
Sept 13, 2015, Elul 29, 5775; it will be at 6:55 PM, so it will be Tishri 1, 5776, Feast of Trumpets, Day of God's Wrath, on the Jewish Calendar.

Seven months (Eze. 39:13,14) before Nisan 1, 5776, the Second Advent, is the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015.

That fits. The Day of God's Wrath has to be on the Feast of Trumpets (Joel 1:15; 2:1-3). To boot, there will be the lunar eclipse.

Joel 1:15; 2:1-3 says, "Alas for the day! for THE DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY shall it come....Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and SOUND AN ALARM in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A DAY OF DARKNESS and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them."

Could any other Feast of Trumpets fit a Pentecost Rapture 2300 days before it?

(Not figured by inclusive reckoning) Trumpets, Oct. 3, 2016 - 2300 days = June 17, 2010, Tamuz 5, 5770
Trumpets, Sept 21, 2017 - 2300 days = June 5, 2011, Sivan 3, 5771
Trumpets, Sept 10, 2018 - 2300 days = May 24, 2012, Sivan 3, 5772
Trumpets, Sept 30, 2019 - 2300 days = June 13, 2013, Tamuz 5, 5773
Trumpets, Sept. 19, 2020 - 2300 days = June 3, 2014, Sivan 5, 5774

Sept. 19, 2020 is on the Eve of Pentecost, but 1967 (the Six-Day War) + 48.33 (a generation, Mt. 1:17) = 2015.33. How can we go beyond that?

In Mt. 24:32-34, Jesus said, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch (modern Israel) is yet tender (young, no more than 19), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golen Heights and West Bank), ye know that summer is nigh (the Six-Day War started June 5; summer started June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the Kingdom of God, Luke 21:31) is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This GENERATION shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

During the Six-Day War, Israel regained the Temple Mount on June 7. That was Iyar 28, 5727. According to Mt. 1:17, a generation is 48.33 years. Adding 48 years to Iyar 28, 5727 brings us to Iyar 28, 5775. A third of a year is 4 months. Adding Sivan, Tamuz, Av and Elul brings us to Tishri, 5776, the right time for the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets.

In John 4:35, Jesus said, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest." Four months, Sivan, Tamuz, Av and Elul, before the Feast of Trumpets harvest is the Pentecost harvest.

I can be wrong, but to me, it looks like the 2300 days will begin with the Pre-Trib Rapture on Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5769 (May 29, 2009) and end with the Pre-Wrath Rapture on Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept 14, 2015), figuring the 2300 days by Jewish Inclusive Reckoning, because it is a block of time.

Seven months after Tishri 1, 5776, the Day of God's Wrath, would be Nisan 1, 5776, the Second Advent, on April 9, 2016. The Jubilee Year would be announced on the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5776, and begin on the following Nisan 1.

How can it be otherwise? Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: from space to desert impact

Rare meteor from mystery ureilite mother-planetoid
By Lewis Page, 26th March 2009

An international alliance of astronomers are exceedingly chuffed to announce the first occasion of an asteroid being tracked from space, through impact with the Earth's atmosphere and thence to recovery of fragments on the ground....

The space object in question, catchily named 2008 TC3, was first picked up last October by automated sky-watching telescopes belonging to the Catalina Sky Survey near Tucson in Arizona. Observatories and amateur astronomers worldwide then tracked the 80-tonne asteroid until it passed into the Earth's shadow just hours later, refining information on its trajectory. Shortly thereafter, 2008 TC3 ploughed into the atmosphere above northern Africa and exploded, scattering bits of itself all over Sudan's Nubian Desert....

After the "car sized" space lump blew up, boffins calculated the impact point for any remaining astro-shrapnel. Dr Peter Jenniskens of the SETI institute in California teamed up with Dr Muawia Shaddad and 45 students and staff from the University of Khartoum to mount a desert search for surviving fragments. Some 47 meteorites were found...

On the matter of the mysterious extraterrestrial ureilite source, Rumble says "Where that is, we don't know." However, data gleaned during the 2008 TC3 impact might help here: boffins have already done some backtracking. Based on spectrogram readings like that gleaned from the Canaries, they think that the body 1998 KU2 - a Heathrow-airport-sized lump which orbits mostly between Earth and the asteroid belt - might be the ureilite mother-lode.

The ureilite class is named after the type example Novo-Urei, Russia that fell in 1886 and is one of the strangest of meteorites. Ureilites contain olivine and pyroxenes (pigeonite, augite, or orthopyroxene, depending on the sample) with filling of the intergranular spaces by graphite (rarely, tiny diamonds), Fe metal with very low Ni, sulfides, Fe3C and minor accessory phases. These minerals form ugly, dark, opaque masses that we refer to as carbonaceous-metal-silicate-masses or CMSM. Mineral rims and internal fractures appear to be encrusted with carbon (graphite) and tiny metal grains. Iron in the metal probably originated by reduction of oxidized iron (FeO) in silicates by reaction with graphite at some moderate to high temperature. Diamonds may have formed from graphite via impact-induced solid-state transformation, although it is more likely that they formed by vapor deposition....

Mosaicized ureilites are typified by finer grain size, probably as the result of recrystallization from shock.
UREILITE LITHIUM ISOTOPIC COMPOSITION. M. K. Garren1, S. J. Singletary1, D. R. Bell2,3, and P.R. Buseck2,3,

Ureilites are primitive achondrites, consisting of olivine, pyroxene and carbon, that PRE-SERVE A RECORD OF IGNEOUS PROCESSING DURING EARLY SOLAR SYSTEM DIFFERENTIATION. They represent the second largest achondrite group, but their petrogenesis re-mains enigmatic. The ureilites are characterized by equilibrated, coarse-grained textures and mineral chemistry, but they retain primordial gas contents and oxygen isotope signatures [1]. Singletary and Grove [2] developed an olivine-pigeonite thermometer that reveals the majority of olivine-pigeonite-bearing ureilites equilibrated at temperatures above 1200°C. The lack of pyroxene exsolution features indicate that THE UREILITES MUST HAVE COOLED EXTREMELY RAPIDLY [3] - MOST LIKELY DURING PARENT BODY DISRUPTION....

Based on several indicators, the most likely precursor materials for the ureilites are the carbonaceous chon-drites [11,12]. Over the past few years, researchers have reached a consensus that ureilites represent the residues of a partial melting process [11-15]. The ureilites also preserve evidence of being held at high temperatures [2] and then cooled very rapidly.
Ureilite / NWA 2376

The difference between carbonaceous chondrites and ureilites is that in ureilites, the carbon is in the form of microscopic Diamonds! These diamonds formed through intense impact events...

My comments

In my opinion, these asteroid pieces are from Satan's planet Rahab that split apart forming our Asteroid Belt. Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ, Isa. 52:10; 53:1); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (Satan)?"

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: Keith Crawford (25 Apr 2009)
Re: John Nelson 2300 days - Amazing?"

> > It's Revelation 11:3 that employs the witnesses. That is part of the sounding of the sixth trumpet.

Between the 6th and 7th seals, trumpets, and vials are parenthetic passages. We have to look for match marks to see where to place those in the timeline.

Rev. 11 seems to begin at the Pre-Trib Rapture at the beginning of the Tribulation. That's why it says, "Rise" (egeiro, to rouse from death, to arise, to lift up). It could be the exact day John will take his seat on his throne among the 24 elders as the Tribulation starts and the 1260-day countdown begins.

Thanks so much for the date when the world population hit 6,666,666,666. Maybe that's what we have been waiting for. Perhaps the end of the age was planned to take place after the world population hit 6,666,666,666 and some foods began to be in short supply. Some people worry about the planet being able to support its ever expanding population. It is strange too that it happened on my husband Ed's mother's birthday, May 10. The end times could have begun on May 11, her mother's birthday. Wow!

> > John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

That fits today. The barley crop is already white, i.e., ready to harvest at the Pre-Trib Rapture, probably on Pentecost, May 29, 2009.

> > June 5th 2009 plus 2300 days is Yom Kippur, 2015

How about this? May 29, 2009 (probably the Pentecost Rapture) plus 2300 days (counted by inclusive reckoning because it is a block of time) equals the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015), probably the Day of God's Wrath.

> > So my hypothesis is this:
The rapture happens BEFORE June 5th.
While the church age started on Pentecost, it could certainly end on Pentecost (May 29th). But I think that a Iyyar 17 may be a better fit. Iyyar 17 is May 11th.

I sure hope you are right and "The rapture happens BEFORE June 5th." To me, Pentecost (Sivan 6, May 29) is a better fit.

> > When Jesus was asked when these things would happen He said:
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

> > This is addressing the rapture. No man knows, everything is status-quo, then surprise. Like the days of Noah.

But, read on. Mt 24:40-42 continues with, "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR your Lord doth come." He didn't repeat THE DAY, just the HOUR. By this time, just maybe we can know the day, but not the hour. Maybe the day will be May 29, 2009, Pentecost. I'm getting excited.

> > Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. The 17th day of the second month is Iyyar 17, or May 11th.

> > Pope Benedict XVI will be visiting Israel between May 8th and may 15th. This may or may not be prophetic, but it's an interesting coincidence.

The Flood was before Nisan 1 became the first month when the Israelites were at Mt. Sinai. The rain probably began in Noah's day on Cheshvan 17, but I could be wrong, read on.

Pope Benedict is to visit Jordan on May 10 and Israel on May 11. That is perfect. The end times could begin on May 11, Ed's grandmother's birthday. I think the Pope will be the first beast of Rev. 13.

Rev 13:1 says, "I stood upon the sand of the sea ("peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues, Rev. 17:15) and saw a beast (the great red dragon) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads (i.e., 7 world empires) and ten horns (kings), and upon his horns ten crowns (i.e., it is the beginning of the Tribulation), and upon his heads the name (one name) of blasphemy." I think the name of blasphemy is Pontifex Maximus. It was on all the heads of the empires from Nimrod (at the Tower of Babel) to Pope Benedict.

We know that Rev. 17 takes place at the time of the Rapture, because verse 14 says, "they that are WITH HIM (Christ, the Lamb of God) are called, and chosen, and faithful." At the time of the Rapture, Rev 17:12 tells us that "the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Shortly after the Rapture, the 10 kings wear 10 crowns, as in Rev. 13:1.

At the time of the Rapture, Rev. 17:10 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." The five empires that have fallen are Babel, Babylon II. Media-Persia, Greece and Imperial Rome. Ecclesiastical Rome is in power now. Babylon III is still to come. The False Prophet that comes to power Mid-Trib will also be called Pontifex Maximus. Rev 13:12 says, "And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast".

> > So on May 13th you could have the last day of the generation, the pope in Israel, and Iyyar 17 all at the same time.

Talk about coincidences. You're probably not going to believe this at first, but I checked the date twice at
It says, "Mon, 11 May 2009 = 17th of Iyyar, 5769" I cut and pasted it in to be sure it is correct.

On May 11, we could have the beginning of the end times, the Pope in Israel and Iyyar 17 all at the same time. Wowie! Maybe the rain did start on Iyyar 17 in Noah's day. That fit is perfect.

> > The seven seals, and the first 5 trumpets would happen in pretty rapid succession. Then on June 5th, the sixth trumpet. I don't think that this is too much of a stretch, because just for example the first 4 seals last for the whole 7 years.

I think the first 4 seals last until the Satan-possessed False Prophet comes to power. Hell, Satan, follows with him.

To me, The Revelation of Jesus Christ is organized using circle clocks. See what you think. Imagine tying 7 coke cans in a bunch. One would be in the center with 6 around that one.

Draw 6 similar circles on paper in a circle with a 7th circle in the middle. Those represent the 7 seals. In the 7th circle in the center, draw another 7 circles. Those represent the 7 trumpets. All 7 trumpet judgments come out of the 7th seal. Then draw another circle clock in the 7th trumpet. All 7 vials of God's wrath come out of the 7th trumpet.

> > Bottom line - time is short. Woo Hoo!!!!

Amen to that. It looks like we are finally getting to the end time. It just may be that the Rapture will be next Pentecost, May 29, 2009.

Counting 2300 days from that day (by inclusive reckoning because it is a block of time) they will end on Sept. 14, 2015. That is the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, probably the Day of God's Wrath.

Seven months after that (Eze. 39:12,13) would be the Second Advent, on Nisan 1, 5776, the first day of the Regnal, Sacred, and Jubilee Years. Regnal, because Christ is King of kings, and Sacred, because he is Lord of lords. The Jubilee year would have been announced on the previous Day of Atonement, ten days after the Day of God's Wrath.

The year 5775 will be a sabbatic year (it divides evenly by 7), and that is necessary for 5776 to start the Jubilee Year. How could it be any later than 5776?

If this is correct, our time on Earth is drawing to a close. Hurray! I'm ready to go any time now.

I'm sure looking forward to seeing what Heaven is like. Trees and a river sound much like Earth. We know how the Lord's taste runs. He created Earth and all that is on it, and it is beautiful. We visited as many state and national parks as possible on our vacations while we had a truck and camper. Unspoiled natural scenes are simply gorgeous, thanks to the Lord. Agape

Vatican and Arab League sign agreement on Middle East peace

by Chris Perver, 26 April 2009

The Arab League and the Vatican have announced the signing of a memorandum of understanding with the intention of promoting "peace and justice in the world". The announcement was made following a meeting of the Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa and Pope Ratzinger last Friday. The memorandum appears to be the fruit of an interfaith dialogue first proposed by senior Islamic clerics and later reciprocated by the Roman Catholic Church. Islamic clerics had urged the leaders of the Christian world to unite with Muslims around common essentials of religion, chiefly that they worship only one God and that they ascribe no partner to Him. Catholic leaders responded with a similar letter, calling for increased dialogue with the Islamic world based on the shared values of the love of God and the love of our neighbours. Leaders from both religions held their first ever interfaith summit last year. The details of this latest agreement have not been disclosed, but the Holy See have announced that it includes 'intercultural and interreligious dialogue' and focuses on achieving Middle East peace.

The Tower Of Basel - Secretive Plans For Issuing A Global Currency

Do we really want the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) issuing our global currency?
By Ellen Brown, 4-17-9

In an April 7 article in The London Telegraph titled "The G20 Moves the World a Step Closer to a Global Currency," Ambrose Evans-Pritchard wrote:

"A single clause in Point 19 of the communiqué issued by the G20 leaders amounts to revolution in the global financial order.

"We have agreed to support a general SDR allocation which will inject $250bn (£170bn) into the world economy and increase global liquidity,' it said. SDRs are Special Drawing Rights, a synthetic paper currency issued by the International Monetary Fund that has lain dormant for half a century.

"In effect, the G20 leaders have activated the IMF's power to create money and begin global 'quantitative easing'. In doing so, they are putting a de facto world currency into play. It is outside the control of any sovereign body....

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Sunscreen: Could its rays be deflected as a last resort to beat global warming? Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology, outlined the idea of shooting either sulphur dioxide particles, aluminium oxide dust or specially designed aerosols into the stratosphere - the upper level of the atmosphere between ten and 30 miles above the Earth's surface. It is hoped that this would cool the planet by artificially reflecting sunlight back into space before it can be absorbed.

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Could this be the reason volcanos shoot ash into the stratosphere?

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