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After the Exodus, the Israelites followed the Way to Shur through the Wilderness (desert) of Shur to Mt. Sinai, which was about 25 miles from Kadesh Barnea

Video of Pope making the sign of Satan

Russia to host UN talks to revive Mideast peace,2506,L-3713801,00.html

Security Council chair calls open debate in hopes of adopting draft statement calling for 'lasting peace in the region, based on enduring commitment to mutual recognition, freedom from violence, incitement, terror, and the two-state solution, building upon previous agreements and obligations'


By Marilyn Agee

I don't agree with Gary Stearman's article "Passover; Coronation Day for Jewish Kings." in the recent Prophecy in the News. I thought Hebrew kings officially took office on Nisan 1, not Nisan 14 (passover according to Lev. 23:4,5) or 15 (according to Stearman and modern Jews).

This is important to me, because I think Christ will return at the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016). That is 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) after the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015), which is 2300 days by inclusive reckoning from Pentecost, May 29, 2009. See Dan 8:13,14.

I searched on Google and found what Gary Stearman quoted plus a bit more. Review it and see what you think. Did the writer prove his case? Remember that the month of Ziv (Iyar) is the 2nd month of the Jewish Sacred Calendar that starts Nisan 1. My thought is that if Solomon was crowned on Nisan 1, instead of Nisan 15, Iyar would still be the 2nd month of the Sacred Calendar.

Jewish Voice Today | March/april 2007
"Why a Crown of Thorns,"

"Passover and the Crucifixion sheds light on who Yeshua really was, and His importance to the world...."How do we know that Passover is Rosh Hashanah for the Kings? It is in the Tenakh, though somewhat hidden. How do we know that the Kings of Israel are crowned at Passover? In 1 Kings, it says this: “…in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, which is the second month, that he began to build the House of Adonai.” (I Kings 6:1) It is repeated in II Chronicles 3:2 as well. The second month of the reign of King Solomon – which means Solomon was crowned the month before! The month of Ziv is now known as the month of Iyar, which comes after the month of Nisan, when Passover is. From this understanding, we can check it with the other Kings of Israel as well. There was a debate between the House of Hillel and the House of Shamai, whether it was on the 15th or the 1st of the month, but the 15th is Passover night, and this became the common understanding."

Here is the next paragraph:

"AND WHO SHALL ANNOUNCE HIM? So now, how does the crowning relate to Yeshua, Jesus? If He is the Messiah, He could not depart from this world without being crowned. So who would do it? The Jews who believed in Him could not do it, so who did God pick this time? When He pronounced His blessing upon Israel, He used an idol worshipper by the name of Balaam who didn’t even know what he was doing. This time He picked the Roman soldiers. They didn’t know what they were doing either. They were mocking Him when they fashioned a crown of thorns and placed it on His head. And do you remember what happened next? He was named and announced. The plaque that was placed above His head read in Hebrew “Yeshua Hanotzri Melech Ha’yehudim” – “Yeshua of Nazareth, King of the Jews!” He was crowned on the day of the crowning of the Kings of Israel. He departed, fulfi lling the Word, King Messiah.


And yet, that is not the whole picture. It is known that Yeshua took upon Himself the sins of the world and removed the curse by His blood atonement. Now think of this crown – it is made of thorns. What is a thorn? The curse on the earth! (Gen. 3:18) So Yeshua redeemed not only the curse upon mankind from the disobedience in the Garden of Eden, but also, with His blood upon the crown of thorns – He took away the curse of the earth!"

The author also wrote: "The third is Rosh Hashanah for the Kings, the New Year for the Kings. That day the kings of Israel were crowned."

Doesn't Rosh Hashanah mean "head of the year", which is when the new crescent Moon is sighted? Could Nisan 15 be the head of the year? It is the time of the Full Moon. I searched further.

"New Year for Kings — 1 Nisan"
"Although Rosh Hashanah marks the change of the Jewish calendar year, Nisan is considered the first month of the Hebrew calendar. The Mishnah indicates that the year of the reign of Jewish kings was counted from Nisan in Biblical times. Nisan is also considered the beginning of the calendar year in terms of the order of the holidays."

I think Nisan 1 is the New Year for Kings. I'm not alone. The following agree.

"Nissan 1 is the new year for the purpose of counting the reign of kings and months on the calendar". (

"The Mishnah references four separate new years: one for kings and festivals (the first of the month of Nisan)".(

"Nissan 1 is the new year for the purpose of counting the reign of kings and months".
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"The 1st of Nisan is the new year for kings and feasts" (

"Nisan 1 continued to be recognized as New Year's day for the reckoning of the reigns of Jewish kings and for festivals." (

"Nisan 1 is the new year for the purpose of counting the reign of kings" (

"The 1st of Nisan, the Hebrew month Pesah [Passover] occurs during, is the new year for Kings and Festivals. Jewish Kings who become rulers during any part of the year preceding Nisan 1 get credit for a full year of rule." (

I think Jesus will be given his kingdom on Tishri 1, 5776, but not return to Earth until 7 months later, on Nisan 1 in the Jewish Leap Year, 5776. Agape

My post on the Five Doves site

Re: Grapefruit Seed Extract and Colloidal Silver, 2 first-aid things I don't want to be without.

Colloidal Silver has been mentioned lately. I can give some first hand information about Colloidal Silver (CS) and Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE). I have used both with good results, but I take no more than 2 T of CS a day, and not at all until I have used GSE with no results.

GSE, for me, will kill a sore throat in about 10 minutes, so I use it first.

If you make CS, you can go by Jerry Golden's report. I copied part of it below. I use the three 9-volt battery type CS generator.

I am glad I learned about GSE. It will even kill the terrible staph infection called MRSA. My niece proved that. She cured her son's staph infection that had come back repeatedly for 4 years with GSE, 3 pills a day for a month did the trick.
Learning to Survive an Attack! Colloidal Silver!
Posted: Tuesday, January 1, 2004
by Jerry Golden

Jerry Golden "REPORT"

Learn to Survive an Attack! Colloidal Silver!

Making your own Colloidal Silver

The Items you need.

Maybe I should tell you how this works in your body. All known bacteria and viruses’ are killed by Colloidal Silver. In fact some 650 known bacteria’s are killed by Colloidal Silver. (You may want to research that yourself) But all these ugly little things in your body all have positive charges, as everything in your body works on a small amount of electric current. When you drink Colloidal Silver (which is a negitive charge) it is attracted to these positive charges in your body “the bad guys”. If the particles size is smaller than .05 micron’s your colloidal generator makes the particle size 100 to 1000 times smaller than .05 microns, that allows this Colloidal Silver to go straight to the positive charge wherever it may be inside of you.

Does this mean that Colloidal Silver is cure all? No, but it is very good for you and you will be singing its praises as do millions today when you begin using it. There are many collidal silver generator that can be found on the internet, some are of course beter than others, but even the 3-9volt battery types will do a job for you, just don't ever make it with anything other than good distilled water and pure silver 9.999. Do not ever add saline to improve the electircal conductivity. You can purchase both a home water distiller and silver generator at a reasonalbe price it may well save your life.

A post on the Five Doves site, Re: "Somebody Tell Me How Pentecost Fits into the Rapture?????"

Mickey McNew (11 May 2009)

Somebody Tell Me?????
Somebody tell me how Pentecost fits into the abduction of the bride of Christ and the marriage customs of the Jews? If Jesus is the Bridegroom God and He solely created man to be His bride then why would He not follow the Jewish marriage customs? Is He not a Jew? Did God give Israel their laws and customs? Do we seriously think that this marriage is symbolic! Read Hosea, Ruth, Isaiah, Ezekiel and Song of Songs etcetera…..what is the central theme, finding a faithful bridee and the adulteress bride!!!! How much longer will we seek God as Master and not see Him as our Husband? Hosea 2: 16, says, In that coming day, says the Lord, you will call me my husband instead of my master. When will this day come Lord?

Look at the Feasts of our Lord and see how they parallel with the Wedding customs. I know that many have not really understood the true meaning of being Jesus' bride. For Paul even prayed, that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge — that you may be filled to the meassure of all the fullness of God Eph 3:17-19 NIV. If you don't know (have not experienced) this love, then you can't be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God you will only be able to relate to Him as Master!

Here are the parallels of the marriage.
The Feast of Passover is the payment the Bridegroom paid (mohar) for the bride. I know we associated it with salvation but it is the ransom due for us the bride. See Ephesians 2:12 and Colossians 1:13-14. Salvation is represented on Yom Kippur or Day of Atonement. Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him Heb 10:1 NASU. Why not reference to sin? Because it was the price or ransom for the bride already paid for.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread is the symbol of sanctification represented by bread baked without leaven. Leaven is metaphoric of sin; it was the sinless life of Christ that sanctified all who believe in Him. A payment that me or you could not afford. This sanctification distinguishes both bride and groom from all others. They become committed to each other and abstain from defilement with the world. The Feast of Firstfruits is proof of payment. It is one thing to negotiate a bridal price and it's another to pay it. We know that Christ died for our sins but the resurrection is proof He could afford it.

The Feast of Weeks/ Pentecost is the written ketubah. A ketubah is a written contract indicating all the provision promised to the bride from the bridegroom. When the first trumpet was blown at Mt. Sinai God conducted a wedding between Him and Israel. He considered Himself their Husband legally and sealed it with blood. See Jeremiah 31:31-33. This was a contract written upon stone but at Pentecost AD 32-33, the ketubah was written upon our hearts.

The Feast of Trumpets is symbolic of the day the bridegroom abducts his bride. On this day a shout is sent out to alert the bride that her bridegroom was coming. The bridegroom would also blow the shofar for all to hear. There are many=2 0more parallels to this Feast which I've already went into, to review them check out my other articles or read my book.

The Feast of Yom Kippur/ Day of Atonement is the appearing/revealing of the bride with her Bridegroom. The day that God will make those who hated the bride come and fall down at her feet and acknowledge that He has loved her Rev 3:9-10 NIV. This is the Day of the Lord, His second coming.

The Feast of Tabernacles is the ceremony under the huppah and the Feast of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. This feast was a joyous celebration of the harvest and acknowledgement of God's faithfulness and provision. A symbol of the millennium where God will Tabernacle among men.

If God so faithfully followed the marriage customs of the Jews with the first four feasts how does He skew from the last three feasts and their correlation to the wedding? Jesus definitely made Himself known as the Bridegroom in the gospels and in revelation; Jesus Christ said He was coming for the bride. How can we think in terms of any other persona? Where does the Feast of Trumpets fit into the wedding customs if Pentecost is the rapture? From Genesis to Revelations God has the bride in mind, a call for her to awaken. He has written everything in His word dealing with His bride and the Day He will obtain her. Will you be ready!!!

My reply

> > The Feast of Trumpets is symbolic of the day the bridegroom abducts his bride.


To the Jews, there are three trumps that are named the FIRST TRUMP, the LAST TRUMP, and the GREAT TRUMP.

The FIRST TRUMP sounds on Pentecost. The LAST TRUMP sounds on the Feast of Trumpets. The GREAT TRUMP sounds on the Day of Atonement. (Greg Killian: ...

Thus the FIRST TRUMP should call up the Bride of Christ saints on Pentecost, and the LAST TRUMP should call up the Tribulation saints on the Feast of Trumpets. I think the GREAT TRUMP will be blown on the Day of Atonement when the Jubilee year will be announced. The Jubilee will probably begin April 9, 2016 (Nisan 1, 5776). That will be the first day of the Regnal, Sacred and Jubilee years, the perfect time for the Second Advent.

Since the first trumpet of the Bible, the trumpet of God, sounded at Mt. Sinai on Pentecost, I think the First-Trump Rapture (also called the Pre-Trib Rapture) will take place on Pentecost. The Last-Trump Rapture (also called the Pre-Wrath Rapture) will take place on the Feast of Trumpets, just before the 7 trumpets of judgment are given to the 7 angels.

Ex. 19:13 says, "when the TRUMPET soundeth long, THEY SHALL COME UP TO THE MOUNT." Mt. Sinai represented Heaven, and the symbolism representing the Pentecost Rapture is in that account.

Mt. Sinai is also called Mt. Horeb. Ex 3:1 says, "Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to THE MOUNTAIN OF GOD, even to Horeb."

Ex 19:2-4 says, "they...were come to the desert of Sinai, and had pitched in the wilderness; and there Israel camped before the mount. And MOSES WENT UP UNTO GOD, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel; Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I BARE YOU ON EAGLES' WINGS, AND BROUGHT YOU UNTO MYSELF."


1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."


It says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and THIS MORTAL MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY."


Why? Because the Wrath of God will fall on Earth that day and the Lord won't allow his wrath to fall on any believer, not even a Tribulation saint.


Joel 1:15: 2:1-3 says, "Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME...BLOW YE THE TRUMPET IN ZION, AND SOUND AN ALARM in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; THERE HATH NOT BEEN EVER THE LIKE (Gog's army is attacking Israel), NEITHER SHALL BE ANY MORE AFTER IT, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them."


Rev. 6:12-17 is talking about that Feast of Trumpets. It says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

Then Rev 7:9,14,15 says, "AFTER THIS I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands..And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."

Isa 40:31 says, "they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; THEY SHALL MOUNT UP WITH WINGS AS EAGLES; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

After the Pre-Wrath Rapture in Rev. 7, the 7 trumpets of judgment are given to the 7 angels in Rev. 8.

The FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE will be as the days of Noah. The LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE will be as the days of Lot. Just as in Lot's day, an asteroid impact will obliterate cities on that same day.

At the first Rapture, all the saints sing the new song (Rev. 5:9). At the last Rapture, only the 144,000 Israelites can sing the new song. The reason the 144,000 can sing the new song - they too are virgins.

Rev. 5:8-10 says, "...saints. And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."

Rev 14:2-5 says, "And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great THUNDER: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, WHICH WERE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: FOR THEY ARE WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God."

> > The Feast of Yom Kippur/ Day of Atonement is the appearing/revealing of the bride with her Bridegroom. The day that God will make those who hated the bride come and fall down at her feet and acknowledge that He has loved her Rev 3:9-10 NIV. This is the Day of the Lord, His second coming.

Jesus will return 7 months after the Day of God's Wrath. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD."

The Jewish year 5776 fits all criteria for the year of Christ's return. It follows a Sabbatic Year (necessary for a Jubilee Year), and it is a Leap Year with a 13th month (necessary for the Jews to cleanse the land for Christ's return in glory).

According to Dan. 8:13,14, the shortened Tribulation will last 2300 days. They seem to run from Pentecost, May 29, 2009 to the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015, counted by inclusive reckoning, because it is a block of time. I can't see why Pentecost wouldn't be the Pre-Trib Rapture. Agape

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