Pro and Con 1491
ASCENSION DAY NEWS: "Rome to host Mideast council"
May 19, 2009 - ASCENSION DAY
Permanent forum to be based at Ara Pacis, symbol of peace
Jerus - Rome is to host a permanent council for Israeli-Palestinian reconciliation...
Speaking after a meeting with Israeli President Shimon Peres, Alemanno said the council would be located at Rome's 2,000-year-old symbol of peace, the Ara Pacis. ''The idea is to set up a permanent office at the Ara Pacis, providing a permanent, complete council tasked with working towards reconciliation,'' said the mayor. Alemanno said he would also discuss the idea with Palestinian National Authority President Mahmoud Abbas later on Tuesday.
The mayor said he hoped to launch the council on April 21, 2010, the birthday of Rome's mythical founding, in an event attended by political and religious leaders. Saying he was hopeful Pope Benedict XVI would be there...
Peres has reportedly said he will write to Premier Silvio Berlusconi to personally request his support for the initiative....
During his visit Alemanno also confirmed that the Palestinian National Authority is to get a permanent embassy in Rome....
The Ara Pacis, meaning Altar of Peace, was commissioned in 13 BC to celebrate peace throughout the Roman Empire under the Emperor Augustus. It was completed in 9 BC, 23 years before Augustus's death at the age of 76 in 14 AD....
See Pope Benedict making the sign of Satan on youTube
Look at his hand.
Incoming e-mail, Re: Jesus reading Isa. 61:1,2 on day of atonement
How do we know or where do we find that Jesus read from Isa. 61:1,2 on the day of atonement?
Enjoyed your PC&C 1487. Are you going to write more about the beast and false prophet?
Thanks for your kind words. Maybe. The Lord knows.
> > How do we know or where do we find that Jesus read from Isa. 61:1,2 on the day of atonement?
Luke 4:16-21 says, "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach DELIVERANCE to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at LIBERTY them that are bruised, TO PREACH THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, THIS DAY IS THIS SCRIPTURE FULFILLED IN YOUR EARS."
He preached of DELIVERANCE AND LIBERTY IN THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD. The word translated preach is kerusso. Thayer's definition says,
"1) to be a herald, to officiate as a herald 1a) to proclaim after the manner of a herald
1b) always with the suggestion of formality, gravity and an authority which must be listened to and obeyed
2) to publish, proclaim openly: something which has been done
3) used of the public proclamation of the gospel and matters pertaining to it, made by John the Baptist, by Jesus, by the apostles and other Christian teachers"
The word translated acceptable is dektos. Strong's definition says, "From G1209; approved; (figuratively) propitious: - accepted (-table)." Propitious is now obsolete, but it means favorable.
What kind of a year could be called the acceptable, approved, and favorable year of the Lord, a year of DELIVERANCE AND LIBERTY? What else, but the Jubilee Year that was to be announced on the Day of Atonement in the 49th year?
Lev 25:8-13 says, "And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee FORTY AND NINE YEARS. THEN SHALT THOU CAUSE THE TRUMPET OF THE JUBILE TO SOUND ON THE TENTH DAY OF THE SEVENTH MONTH IN THE DAY OF ATONEMENT shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall HALLOW THE FIFTIETH YEAR, AND PROCLAIM LIBERTY THROUGHOUT ALL THE LAND UNTO ALL THE INHABITANTS THEREOF: IT SHALL BE A JUBILE UNTO YOU, AND YE SHALL RETURN EVERY MAN UNTO HIS POSSESSION, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field. In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession."
The year 27 AD was a Sabbatic Year. It was followed by the Jubilee Year in 28 AD.
I think the endtime Jubilee year will start in 5776. The Feast of Trumpets (Sept. 14, 2015) should be the Day of God's Wrath. Ten days later, on the Day of Atonement (Sept. 23, 2015), the Jubilee Year should be announced. It would begin the following Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016).
The year 5775 is a Sabbatic Year, so that could precede the Jubilee year. The year 5776 is a Leap Year with the 13th month. Therefore, there would be the necessary 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent.
Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." I think he will be glorified at the Second Advent. Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2009). That will be the first day of the Regnal, Sacred and probably Jubilee years.
Fifty years after 5727 (the year when they took the West Bank and the Temple Mount in the Six Day War) is 5777. The Jubilee would start Nisan 1, 5776 and end Nisan 1, 5777. To me, that ties just about everything up in a neat package.
Dan 12:11 says, "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (Mid-Trib, 11-8-2012), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." Nov. 8, 2012 (Cheshvan 29, 5773, Mid-Trib) plus 1290 days is May 21, 2016 (Iyar 13, 5776).
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days." Nov. 8, 2012, (Cheshvan 29, 5773, MId-Trib) plus 1335 days is July 5, 2016 (Sivan 28. 5776).
Dan. 12:13 says, "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot (i.e., plot of ground) at the end of the days." Agape
Thanks for that explanation. I finally get it. Very good detective work. I presume we could also look back at the Jewish calendar and confirm that the day of atonement was on a sabbath or did they declare a the day of atonement a "special" sabbath. Either way, I'm finally with you.
I grew up hearing that Jesus' ministry started in 30 a.d. and that he died in 33 a.d. But, you've got him from 5 b.c. to 30 a.d. I know you wrote a lot about calendars in the past on prior P&C, but I can't recall know where you explained the errors. But, getting the correct date matters else we couldn't piece this puzzle together. Satan has delighted in confusing the calendar. Thanks for your study on dates.
I also presume that today, May 20th, is the start of a 10 day inclusive block of time up to May 29th. I'll be watching very closely the next few days. I understand you are expecting some kind of signal or news. Something like the wake up call that the wise virgins heard. I wonder what that will be?
Come soon Lord Jesus.
Feast days are all annual Sabbaths.
We got a sign on Ascension Day. "Rome to host Mideast council"
"Permanent forum to be based at Ara Pacis, symbol of peace"
"Polonium Halos: Unrefuted Evidence for Earth's Instant Creation! "
By Earth Science Associates, concerning the work of Robert V. Gentry
Etched within Earth's foundation rocks — the granites — are beautiful microspheres of coloration, halos, produced by the radioactive decay of primordial polonium, which is known to have only a fleeting existence.
The following simple analogy will show how these polonium microspheres — or halos — contradict the evolutionary belief that granites formed as hot magma slowly cooled over millions of years. To the contrary, this analogy demonstrates how these halos provide unambiguous evidence of both an almost instantaneous creation of granites and the young age of the earth.
A post on the Five Doves site, Re: "The 21 Days in Daniel: For Marilyn Agee"
Jean Stepnoski (6 May 2009)
"The 21 Days in Daniel: For Marilyn Agee"
Marilyn, thank you for your recent posts. I always enjoy them and they help me want to search the Scriptures better. When we look to those 21 days in the book of Daniel, we are now in times with much discussion currently about the formerly named Persia, now named Iran. As you know, both of the Feasts of the Lord of Pentecost and Trumpets can be observed for two days rather than one. That gives us an extra day to be factored in for either Feast. If we see 5-31, day 1 of the Scriptural week, as Pentecost we can count backwards 21 days to 5-10. If we select 5-29 as Pentecost, we can start 21 days at 5-8. The Second Passover is on my Jewish calendar for 5-7 to 8. The date of 5-10 to 11 is Iyar 17, a one month later anniversary of the Feast of Firstfruits, the Master's Resurrection Day. There is a 3 day sign of Jonah period here from Nisan 14 to 17 or for Iyar 14 to 17. The times of Noah may be about Cheshvan 17 rather than Iyar 17, yet the attentive are aware of the significance of month 2 and day 17. The times of Noah are as important as "The Day." We are also now 120 years past the birth of Adolf Hitler and other significant events of 1889.
Here is a theory we have not considered. Does the shortened tribulation period have to start on Pentecost of 5-29 or 5-31 on The Day of The Blessed Hope? Could there not be a short period or interval for growing problems of the renamed Persia within the 21 days in Daniel? This would be between the event of The Blessed Hope, after Second Passover is complete with a few days for anyone on any time grid to observe it, until the Feast of Pentecost? Is this a possibility? Will there be a fulfillment of the 21 days in Daniel for us this month? The dates for such a scenario fit perfectly! We may err if we believe that the day of The Blessed Hope and the day that starts the shortened tribulation period of 2300 days must be the same day. If this timeline is accurate, and the blessed hope is accurate for this spring, we seem to have a lock on the shortened tribulation period timeline, the longer tribulation period timeline, and the day of the blessed hope of that day of month 2 and day 17! Then after 20-21 days, the 2300 days can begin with Pentecost. It may take 21 days for all the hundreds of millions of children, men, and women to arrive and be processed in Heaven. Then is the great wedding anniversary of Pentecost for the groom/husband and His beloved bride/wife! The Second Passover and Pentecost are both about weddings. Will the barley bride depart for the groom father's home at the far country of Heaven on month 2 and day 17? Shall it be "The Day" when titanic events begin to unfold as with a flood? Please let me know what you think about this theory, Marilyn and other dear Doves. May we be daily WATCHING for the Beloved Groom!
With Love and Shalom, Jean Stepnoski
Thanks for your kind words.
> > 5-29 as Pentecost
Only 5-29-09 seems to fit. I think the 2300-day shortened Tribulation of Dan. 8:13,14 has to start 5-29-09. The first half of the Tribulation is the 1260 days God's two witnesses prophesy (Rev. 11). This leaves 1040 days for the shortened Great Tribulation. It has to end on the Feast of Trumpets, i.e., the Day of God's Wrath (Joel 1:15; 2:1-3). There will be a solar eclipse after 6 PM on Sept 13. That will be Tishri 1, 5776 to the Jews. This fits the time of the breaking of the 6th seal in Rev. 6:12.
Rev 6:12-17 says, " And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and THE SUN BECAME BLACK as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"
According to Rev. 17, the Raptured ones are with Christ at a time when the beast of Rev. 13 (the Tribulation Pope) is in power (i.e., he missed the Rapture), and the 10 kings have not yet received their kingdom.
Rev 17:10-14 says, "And there are (i.e., at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture) seven kings: five are fallen (kings of the Tower of Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, and Imperial Rome), and one is (the Pope, Pontifex Maximus of Ecclesiastical Rome at the time of the Rapture), and the other (the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh (mid-Trib), he must continue a short space" (the Great Tribulation that will be shortened to 1040 days). And the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man now), even he is the eighth (the tail of the great red dragon), and is of the seven (controls them), and goeth into perdition (indwells the second and last son of perdition, the False Prophet; Judas Iscariot was the 1st son of perdition). And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall (i.e., in the future) make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall (in the future) overcome them: for he is (present tense) Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are (present tense) with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." Thus, the Pre-Trib Rapture has just taken place.
The 2300 days have to be counted by Jewish Inclusive Reckoning, because that is a block of time. The outer limit is the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015. Thus the Tribulation would start on May 29, 2009.
> > Will there be a fulfillment of the 21 days in Daniel for us this month?
Not that I can discern. Agape
A post on the Five Doves site, Re: "Sparks are going to fly - May 11th - 12th"
Oliver Thomas (6 May 2009)
Many historians in Israel and around the world are convinced that the Temple menorah and other Jewish Temple treasures are hidden in the Vatican. There is no real proof, however in the past people claim they have seen the Menorah and other items from the Temple locked away beneath the Vatican. There are also reports Priests have confided that the Temple treasures are indeed hidden in underground vaults beneath the Vatican.
Every few years, the two Israeli chief rabbis go to see the pope and negotiate with him the return of the menorah and other Temple treasures. The Vatican never denies or admits possession of the sacred items. If it is true that the Pope is hiding the Temple’s sacred treasure, rightfully belonging to Israel, and considers it property of the Catholic Church, then he is walking on thin ice in God’s eyes. Remember what Daniel told us happened when Belshazer used the stolen Temple Treasure at his party, he died that very night.
Emperor Constantine was the first Pope 312 AD. Before that time the leaders of the church at Rome were called the Bishops of Rome. The highest office in the pagan religion of Rome was that of Highest Priest “Pontifex Maximus” or Supreme Pontiff....This title was held by the Roman Caesars. The last Caesar to hold that title was Emperor Gratian who conferred it upon Pope Damascus in 381 AD.
The man who destroyed the Jewish Temple in 70 AD was Pontifex Maximus Titus Caesar. Pope Benedict’s title is Pontifex Maximus Benedict Vicarius Christi. Vicarius Christi has been used as the Pope’s title since Pope Gelasius I (492 - 496), Vicarius means “in place of,” this title in Greek is translated Anti-Christos "Antichrist" Anti means “in place of” in Greek. "Antichrist" is the English translation of the original Koine Greek of the New Testament. So we could give the Pope’s official title as “Highest Priest Benedict The Antichrist.”
Now, you dear Catholic brothers and sisters that truly love Jesus, I did not make this up, this is what he calls himself “Pontifex Maximus Vicarius Christi.” I am not judging Pope Benedict, he probably does a lot of good deeds and helps a lot of people, but the prophetic significance does not escape our attention. The abomination of Desolation could well be the destruction of the Temple and taking of the sacred treasures by Titus in 70 AD. If Benedict is keeping these items hidden away he is perpetuating the original that theft.
If the Pope is hiding the Temple Treasure and he enters the Dome of the Rock May 11th or 12th and stands at the holy place where the Holy of Holies was located, sparks are going to fly! The place may come crashing down around him. YBIC … Oliver Thomas
Thanks for explaining the meaning of “Pontifex Maximus Vicarius Christi.”
> > If the Pope is hiding the Temple Treasure and he enters the Dome of the Rock May 11th or 12th and stands at the holy place where the Holy of Holies was located, sparks are going to fly! The place may come crashing down around him.
I don't think the rock under the Dome of the Rock was ever in the Holy of Holies. THE SIZE OF THE ROCK (17.7 M X 13.5 M) UNDER THE DOME OF THE ROCK WOULD NOT FIT IN THE HOLY OF HOLIES (10 M X 10 M), SO THE TEMPLE WAS NOT BUILT OVER THE ROCK.
Fort Antonia occupied the northern half of the Temple Mount, and the Temple with its courts occupied the southern half. The foundation of a wall they found on the Temple Mount seems to have shown us where the northern wall of the Temple court was.
The rock was not in the Temple area. It was in the Fort Antonia area, and it was much higher than it is today. In the days of Herod's temple, the rock was FIFTY CUBITS IN HEIGHT and wouldn't fit inside the Holy of Holies because of its width or height.
In Wars V. V. 8, Josephus said, "Now. as to the tower of Antonia, It was situated at the corner of two cloisters of the court of the temple; of that on the west and that on the north; It was erected upon a ROCK of FIFTY CUBITS IN HEIGHT, AND WAS ON A GREAT PRECIPICE...the rock itself was covered over with smooth pieces of stone, from its foundation, both for ornament and that any one that would try to get up, or to go down it, might not be able to hold his feet upon it." Agape
Incoming e-mail, Re: last trump
The Feast of Trumpets is when the "last trump" of the rapture of 1 Corinthians 15 is blown. The last trump of the Feast of Trumpets is known as the Tekiah Ha Godolah. It is the longest and loudest of all the trumpets blown during the feast. In the first century, the last trump (shofar) meant a specific day in the year. *In Judaism, there are three trumpets that have a name. They are the first trump, the last trump, and the great trump. Each one of these trumpets indicates a specific day in the Jewish year. The first trump is blown on the Feast of Pentecost (Exodus 19:19). It proclaimed that God had betrothed Himself to Israel(this feast was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost with the giving of the Holy Spirit). The last trump is synonymous with Rosh Hashanah, according to Theodore Gaster in his book, Festivals of the Jewish Year, in his chapter on Rosh Hashanah. Herman Kieval also states the same thing in his book, The High Holy Days in the chapter on the shofar. (The last trump will be fulfilled on Rosh Hashanah with the rapture of the church). The great trumpet is blown on Yom Kippur, which will herald the return of Jesus back to the earth (Matthew 24:31)....
11. The Feast of Trumpets is also known as the coronation of the Messiah, when he will start reigning as king, thus the beginning of the "Day of the Lord", which includes the tribulation.
12. It is also time for the bema judgment, or the judgment of the works of the righteous, and judgment must begin at the house of the Lord.
> > The first trump is blown on the Feast of Pentecost
That just might be on the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture.
> > (The last trump will be fulfilled on Rosh Hashanah with the rapture of the church)
I think that will be the Pre-Wrath Rapture.
> >The last trump is synonymous with Rosh Hashanah, according to Theodore Gaster in his book, Festivals of the Jewish Year, in his chapter on Rosh Hashanah. Herman Kieval also states the same thing in his book, The High Holy Days in the chapter on the shofar. (The last trump will be fulfilled on Rosh Hashanah with the rapture of the church). The great trumpet is blown on Yom Kippur, which will herald the return of Jesus back to the earth (Matthew 24:31)
I think the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015, will be the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The great trump on the Day of Atonement should announce the coming Jubilee year, which should start Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016. I think that will be the day of the Second Advent. It will be the 1st day of the Regnal, Sacred and Jubilee years.
> > 11. The Feast of Trumpets is also known as the coronation of the Messiah, when he will start reigning as king, thus the beginning of the "Day of the Lord", which includes the tribulation.
> > 12. It is also time for the bema judgment, or the judgment of the works of the righteous, and judgment must begin at the house of the Lord.
I agree that Trumpets will be the day of the coronation of Christ and the day of God's Wrath. Agape
My reply to Rob's posts on Five Doves site
Re: Rob (15 May 2009)
"Pentecost and the Rapture"
and "Rob, Day of the Assembly - WOW!"
PENTECOST, THE DAY OF THE ASSEMBLY IN HEAVEN
You mentioned De 9:10: "And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in THE DAY OF THE ASSEMBLY."
De 10:4 says, "And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in THE DAY OF THE ASSEMBLY: and the LORD gave them unto me."
De 18:16 says, "According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb (another name for Mt. Sinai) in THE DAY OF THE ASSEMBLY, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not."
Of the Rapture, when the Lord will speak from heaven, Heb 12:22-25 says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and to an innumerable company of angels, To THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we ESCAPE, if we turn away from him that SPEAKETH FROM HEAVEN".
Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Agape
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