Pro and Con 1493

Posted 5-27-09

"I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth" (Gen 9:13-17).

Prayer request

For Logan Anselmi...who has cancer (Hodgkin's Lymphoma). He is 11 years old and is not doing well at all. He was diagnosed with this cancer 2 weeks ago and the tumor is next to his jugular vein and entwined in it. It has moved his wind pipe over a inch making it hard for him to breathe. The tumor is the size of a large eggplant and is sitting right above his heart. This little boy needs all the prayers he can get.

Incoming e-mail, Re: RE: Keith: Hope to hang on

Thanks for responding. I think about you especially when there is an earthquake up in your neck of the woods.

You don't know this, but I was reading your site back in 2000.
At the time, I suspected that "The end was near" - but my research into it was little more than a hobby.
I didn't have any time frame for reference, and had not / could not "connect the dots".
It was the explanation of Mathew 24, the rebirth of Israel - that I read on your site - that absolutely turned my world upside down (or right side up).
I was soon led to a Bible reading, independent Baptist church, where I eventually got baptised (I had already asked Jesus to run my life), and my wife got saved. Thought you might like to know how your work is bearing fruit.

You said:
All 7 trumpet judgments hit on the Day of God's Wrath.
That is the first time that I've heard somebody say that.
Maybe it was the "Left Behind" series that expressed the idea that they are spread out with days or months between.

But I have to say, when I do the math, I come up with pretty much the same answer as you.
It appears to me that the Bible teaches that the trumpets are sounded in a VERY short amount of time. Of course their effects go on for months and years.

You said:
Four months earlier in the year, on Pentecost, the Pre-Trib Rapture could take place. I hope it will be May 29, 2009. That will be 2300 days, counted by inclusive reckoning because it is a block of time, before the Feast of Trumpets on Sept. 14, 2015.

I thought Pentecost was on May 31.

I've read that "Pentecost is also called the feast of Weeks because it takes place seven weeks after the feast of Firstfruits.
It always occurs on the “morrow after the seventh sabbath” so it always occurs on Sunday." Sorry - I'm not sure where I read this.

Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

Please explain where I'm going wrong.

Hope all is well...

PS: That is interesting news about Babylon.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. It sure is nice to find out that my work is bearing fruit. Jesus commanded us to watch, and I'm watching, and studying, and trying as hard as I can to understand the times. The Rapture is our blessed hope.

> > I thought Pentecost was on May 31.

The following site says, "May 29, 2009 (6th of Sivan, 5769)". It also has "April 09, 2009 (15th of Nisan, 5769)", so the true Passover (14th of Nisan) was April 8, 2009.

http://biblicalholidays.com/jewish-feasts-dates.htm

There is some disagreement about how to count the days to Pentecost, and today, the Jews keep the Passover on Nisan 15 when it should be on the 14th. It is confusing, and I wonder if it is to try and conceal the fact that Jesus is our Passover.

1Co 5:7 says, "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us".

Let's see if we can sort this out. We should think in terms of Jewish days, not ours. There were 12 hours of night followed by 12 hours of daylight. Night preceded day.

Acts 2:1 says, "And when the day of PENTECOST was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place." At least on that day, the 120 all agreed on which day was Pentecost.

Since we are used to using the word Pentegon for a five-sided building, we can easily see that the Greek word "pentekoste" means 50 days. Strong's says "fiftieth." Thayer says, "the fiftieth day." That is 7 x 7 + 1 = 50. All we have to do is determine which day is day one of the countdown of the Omer.

All feasts are annual Sabbaths, and according to the Bible, Passover is Nisan 14.

Lev 23:5,6 (Darby) says, "In the first month, on the FOURTEENTH of the month, between the two evenings (i.e., 6 PM on the 13th to 6 PM on the 14th), IS THE PASSOVER to Jehovah. And on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast of unleavened bread to Jehovah; seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread."

The Feast of Unleavened Bread is Nisan 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 and 21. That is counted as 7 days using Jewish inclusive reckoning, where the first day is day number 1. Blocks of time are counted by inclusive reckoning. Running time is not. For instance, to the Jews, the war of June 5-10, 1967, is the Six-Day War. We would probably subtract 5 from 10 and call it the Five-Day War.

There are to be Holy Convocations on Nisan 14 (Passover), 15 (Unleavened Bread), 16 (Firstfruits), and 21 (the last day of Unleavened Bread).

Lev. 25:15-17 says, "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering (Nisan 16, Friday, April 10, 2009); seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. Ye shall BRING OUT OF YOUR HABITATIONS two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD." We are a kind of firstfruits. James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

Now for the countdown, called counting the omer. At
http://www.jewishpeople.com/cgi-bin/jewish-cal.cgi?month=5&year=2009
there is a Hebrew Calendar where they count the Omer (the 49 days). Omer one is Nisan 16 (Fri April 10, Firstfruits) and day 49 is Sivan 5 (Thur, May 28). The 50th day is Sivan 6, Pentecost (Fri, May 29, 2009).

I think it is figured using inclusive reckoning, because the 50-day period is a block of time. Also, take note that this year it is counted from Friday, Nisan 16, first day of the Omer, not from Sunday, the day after the weekly Saturday Sabbath. The 50th day will also be a Friday, May 29, 2009.

We are not used to figuring using inclusive reckoning. The 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14 have to be figured using inclusive reckoning to start on Pentecost, Sivan 6, 6769 (May 29, 2009) and land on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015).

Daniel 8:13,14 shows that the shortened Tribulation is 2300 days, a block of time. I think the Pre-Trib Rapture should take place between now and when Pentecost ends. It looks like the 2300 days start and end with a Rapture. The first one is the Pre-Trib Rapture. It takes place at the first trump of God (I Thess. 4:16,17), as at Pentecost at Mt. Sinai. That was the first mention of a trumpet in the Bible. The last trump to call up the saints is the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It takes place at the "last trump" of I Cor. 15:51,52.

I think the Jubilee Year will start 50 years after the Six-Day War, when Israel grew leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Golen Heights, and Gaza Strip). 5727 + 50 = 5777 (or 1967 + 50 = 2017). That seems to be the outside limit. The year 5775 is a Sabbatic Year, so 5776 can begin a Jubilee Year. I think Jesus will return on Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016). That will be the first day of the Regnal, Sacred and Jubilee Year. So the Jubilee would run from Nisan 1, 5776 (in 2016) to Nisan 1, 5777 (in 2017). I don't see how the Jubilee could be later than that.

Preceding that, there are to be 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between the Day of God's Wrath, probably Sept. 14, 2015, and the Second Advent. The year 5776 is a Leap Year with the 13th month. It all seems to be wrapped up in a nice package. Various details seem to lock it in. I sure hope the Rapture will take place between now and the end of Pentecost.

> > I've read that "Pentecost is also called the feast of Weeks because it takes place seven weeks after the feast of Firstfruits.

Yes. Here are the verses that call Pentecost the Feast of Weeks. Ex 34:22 says, "And thou shalt observe the FEAST OF WEEKS, OF THE FIRSTFRUITS OF WHEAT HARVEST, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end." The word translated weeks is shabua, of which Strong's says, "literally sevened, that is, a week (specifically of years): - seven, week." I think that shows us how to interpret the countdown to Pentecost. We are to go by weeks, not Sabbath Days.

Maybe we are "THE FIRSTFRUITS OF WHEAT HARVEST" instead of the barley harvest. Pentecost would fit Jesus saying in John 4:35, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest." The four months could be Sivan, Tamuz, Av and Elul. The rest of the wheat harvest, at the Pre-Wrath Rapture, should take place on Tishri 1. The Eve of Trumpets is Elul 29.

De 16:10 says, "And thou shalt keep the FEAST OF WEEKS unto the LORD thy God with a tribute of a freewill offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the LORD thy God, according as the LORD thy God hath blessed thee".

De 16:16 says, "Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the FEAST OF WEEKS, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty".

2Ch 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the FEAST OF WEEKS, and in the feast of tabernacles.

> > It always occurs on the “morrow after the seventh sabbath” so it always occurs on Sunday."

Not necessarily. it is the Feast of Weeks. A week can be a 7-day.period of time, or even a week of years, as in Daniel 9.

Hang in there. Our blessed hope can't be very far away any way we look at it. The Rapture has to be just one generation from 1967 (Mt. 24:32-34). The longest generation is 48.33 years (Mt. 1:17). June 5, 1967 + 48.33 = 2015.33 (or 2015 plus 4 months, Sivan, Tamuz, Av and Elul).

We are taking Grapefruit seed extract to stay well, even though our grandson was here several days with a terrible sounding cough. Agape

My PS

The Jews count the omer to Pentecost by inclusive reckoning, and Josephus told us which day starts the countdown. He said, "But on the second day of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day they do not touch them...they offer the first-fruits of their barley...When a week of weeks has passed over after this sacrifice, (which weeks contain forty and nine days,) in the fiftieth day, which is Pentecost...nor is there any one of the festivals but in it they offer burnt-offerings; they also allow themselves to rest on every one of them....they are to rest entirely" (Ant.III.X.5.6). This shows that the counting of the omer began on Nisan 16, which does not always fall on Sunday. Therefore, Pentecost will not always fall on Sunday.

His reply

Thank you for such a comprehensive reply - it certainly makes sense. It's going to take me a while really go over it an make sure I understand it.

Can you believe that we may finally be in THE last week before the trib? Wow. It will be interesting to see what happens in the world this week....

My reply

You are so welcome. I would be studying on my own anyway, but it keeps me focused to have specific things to explain. Along the way, I learn more too. The Lord shows me things that I missed before, so the search is always interesting. By publishing things, others put in their ideas too. That's so valuable. It seems that the Lord shows different people different things. When we put our heads together, we can get farther in our quest for understanding....Agape

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: Keith (22 May 2009)
"I hope this gives you hope to hang on."
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2009/keith522.htm

> > Joh 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

> > Is Jesus saying that four months before the harvest they are ALREADY white?

Yes, and in Israel, barley does show white at harvest. I have a picture showing it when the harvesting machine is working. Pentecost (Sivan 6) is four months before the Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1). The 4 months there are Sivan, Tamuz, Av and Elul.

White is in Greek, leukos, of the whitening colour of ripening grain (Thayer).

I wonder if white at harvest can apply to wheat too.

Barley harvest starts at Firstfruits. Wheat harvest starts at Pentecost and can last most of the summer, being later in the higher elevations. Some wheat near me in Riverside, CA, was harvested in August. A friend vacationing in Israel asked people there. I'm not sure now, but I think it was the tour guide that said wheat was harvested in the summer.

The great harvest of such numbers that no one can count them (Rev. 7:9,14) will be on the Feast of Trumpets. That is the Pre-Wrath Rapture at the end of the 2300-day shortened Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14), probably Sept. 14, 2015. Wheat harvest may apply to it.

Four months earlier in the year, on Pentecost, the Pre-Trib Rapture could take place. I hope it will be May 29, 2009. That will be 2300 days, counted by inclusive reckoning because it is a block of time, before the Feast of Trumpets on Sept. 14, 2015.

> > White robes are given out when the 5th seal is opened....

> > Doesn't this indicate that on June 5, 2009, seals 1-5, and the rapture have ALREADY happened?

The breaking of the seals follows Christ being given the little book, the Title Deed of the Earth, after the 1st Rapture. The order of events is:

1. The Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev. 4:1)
2. The Title Deed of the Earth given to Christ (Rev. 5:7)
3. The start of the Tribulation (Rev. 6:1)
4. The breaking of the seals 1-6, spread over 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14)
5. The Pre-Wrath Rapture after the 6th seal is broken on the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:12-17; 7:9,14)
6. The Judgment Seat of Christ starts at the 7th seal (Rev. 8)
7. The seven angels are given the 7 trumpets of judgment on the Feast of Trumpets that is the Day of the Lord and the Day of God's Wrath

Rev 8:1-6 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven (and on Earth, Hab. 2:20, while Jesus is crowned and being seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ) about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth (it represents the asteroid impacts of Rev. 8:8-11): and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

All 7 trumpet judgments hit on the Day of God's Wrath. Like Solomon, Christ will purge his Kingdom at it's beginning.

The saints, and all children, will be in Heaven receiving their rewards when the Wrath of God is poured out on the unbelievers left on Earth.

Rev 11:1519 says, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come (the Second Advent is 7 months later, Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

The Ark held the two stone tablets with the 10 commandments written on them. They represent the two asteroid pieces that will be dumped on Earth on the Day of God's Wrath. Remember, Moses broke the first set of stone tablets.

The mountain-sized piece will hit the Mediterranean Sea. The asteroid named Wormwood, Satan's home, will obliterate Babylon, Iraq (which is to be opened to tourists June 1, 2009).

Saddam's palace at Babylon was opened to the public May 10, 2009.

Baghdad's National Museum was opened Feb. 23, 2009.
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Babylon Is Open To The Public (But Should it Be?)
http://wildhunt.org/blog/2009/05/babylon-is-open-to-the-public-but-should-it-be.html

“The Iraqi government plans to open Babylon to visitors on 1 June, according to news reports. Iraq’s state board of antiquities and heritage is opposing the move, on the grounds that the site needs further protection and investigation before being reopened. This follows the controversial reopening of Baghdad’s National Museum on 23 February, after a government decision to proceed with this, defying opposition from curators who felt that it was too early.”
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Saddam's Babylon Palace Now Open To Public
by Quil Lawrence

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103963564

"May 10, 2009 · While the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, one of the Seven Wonders of the World, are gone, a much more recent ruin has become an attraction in Iraq. A palace that Saddam Hussein built near the ancient site of Babylon has been opened to the public"

Babylon is 85 kilometers south of Baghdad. Agape

Post on the Five Doves site, Re: Mechelle (22 May 2009) "questions about the timing of the rapture"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2009/mechelle522.htm

One thing that has always confused me is the timing of the rapture in correlation with the peace agreement in Israel. It looks like we could have an agreement sometime soon, but will we believers still be here to see it? If it is the marker for the beginning of the tribulation, then we should be raptured first and will not witness it. But that is what bothers me. When the rapture does happen, the world will be in such chaos, why would anyone be too concerned about a peace treaty when so many people disappeared leaving the world in disarray? It seems to me that it would take months or years to get back to normal, to the point of puting a peace agreement back as top priority.

Which brings me to another question. Will the Gog Magog war happen after the peace agreement or will it be the reason for the peace agreement? Which comes first? The war, the covenant or the rapture? So many questions!!!

I don't think anyone but Christ himself knows the answer without a doubt, but if anyone has any thoughts on this please let me know. Thanks! God bless you

My reply

> > When the rapture does happen, the world will be in such chaos, why would anyone be too concerned about a peace treaty

The Rapture may bring about the peace treaty. A lot of people on Israel's side will be gone. They may accept the treaty in desperation. Anyway, what God says will happen will happen right on time. He is bringing it about. The delay is just in force while we are here. Don't forget that Moses and Elijah will be prophesying then.

> > Will the Gog Magog war happen after the peace agreement or will it be the reason for the peace agreement? Which comes first? The war, the covenant or the rapture?

1. The Rapture, probably on May 29, 2009, Pentecost
2. A 7-year peace treaty gets strengthened, probably when Moses and Elijah arrive and sacrificing starts when they build the altar between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque
3. The Gog Magog war is the cause of God's Wrath, probably on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015. Agape

A post on Five Doves site, Re: "questions about the timing of the rapture"

Re: Mechelle (22 May 2009)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2009/mechelle522.htm

One thing that has always confused me is the timing of the rapture in correlation with the peace agreement in Israel. It looks like we could have an agreement sometime soon, but will we believers still be here to see it? If it is the marker for the beginning of the tribulation, then we should be raptured first and will not witness it. But that is what bothers me. When the rapture does happen, the world will be in such chaos, why would anyone be too concerned about a peace treaty when so many people disappeared leaving the world in disarray? It seems to me that it would take months or years to get back to normal, to the point of puting a peace agreement back as top priority.

Which brings me to another question. Will the Gog Magog war happen after the peace agreement or will it be the reason for the peace agreement? Which comes first? The war, the covenant or the rapture? So many questions!!!
I don't think anyone but Christ himself knows the answer without a doubt, but if anyone has any thoughts on this please let me know. Thanks! God bless you

My reply

> > Which comes first? The war, the covenant or the rapture?
The Rapture.
1. The Pre-Trib Rapture
2. The beginning of the Tribulation
3. The arrival of Moses and Elijah
4. The 1st beast of Rev. 13 comes to his full power
5. The covenant is strengthened
6. The altar is built, sacrificing begins
7. The Temple is built
8. The False Prophet defiles the Temple Mid-Trib
9. The Pre Wrath Rapture
10 The Gog-Magog War starts
11 The Wrath of God stops the War

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site, Re: Marilyn Agee to Mickey McNew, Jesus was sacrificed on the 13th

> > Mickey McNew "To Marilyn Agee; Jesus Sacrificed on the 14th" (http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2009/mickeym525.htm)

> > Scripture makes it's self clear and explains everything logically, that Jesus was sacrificed on the 14th, the first day of unleavened bread Ex.12:18, Thursday. By evening 6:00 P.M. before the High Sabbath Friday, Jesus was placed in the tomb. Saturday, the Weekly Sabbath was also observed accounting for the 3rd day and Sunday the Feast of First Fruits end of the 3rd night Jesus rose from the dead. Perfect math, there is no other reckoning of time that lines up with God's word! It's that plain and simple.

I'm glad that you can see that Jesus died on Thursday, but it was Nisan 13 (the Preparation of the Passover) instead of Nisan 14 (the Passover, Lev. 23:4,5).

IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER

John 13:1,2 says, "BEFORE THE FEAST OF THE PASSOVER (i.e., on Nisan 13, before the Passover of Nisan 14), when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. And supper (i.e., the Last Supper) being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him".

John 19:14,15 says, "IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour (Roman time, our 9 AM): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him." The Preparation of the Passover was on Thursday, Nisan 13.

John 19:30,31 says, "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day [Passover, the annual sabbath] was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

EVENTS OF NISAN 13, THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER

6 PM, Nisan 12 became Nisan 13, the Preparation of the Passover
The Last Supper
Jesus taken prisoner and tried during the night
Jesus crucified in the morning
Noon to 3 PM - Darkness
Jesus died about 3 PM
He was buried before 6 PM, when Nisan 13 became Nisan 14, Passover

THE 3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS JESUS WAS IN THE GRAVE

Nisan 13, (April 6, 30 AD) Preparation Day, Thursday (day)
Nisan 14, (April 7) Passover, Friday (night then day)
Nisan 15, (April 8) Unleavened Bread, Saturday (night then day)
Nisan 16, (April 9) Firstfruits, Sunday (night).

THE SIGNIFICANCE OF JESUS' RESURRECTION ON APRIL 9

The Resurrection, i.e., Jesus coming back, on April 9 is very significant. I think Jesus will return at the Second Advent on April 9, 2016 (Nisan 1, 5776), the first day of the Regnal, Sacred and Jubilee Years.

> > Mark 14:12 On the FIRST day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?" NIV

The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was Nisan 15. The lambs had to be sacrificed for Passover (Nisan 14). That isn't a good translation.

IT WAS THE PRIOR DAY OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, NOT THE FEAST DAY

Mark 14:12 (KJV) says, "And the FIRST (PROTOS, BEFORE, FORMER, PRIOR) day of unleavened bread, WHEN THEY KILLED THE PASSOVER (between 3 and 6 PM on Nisan 13), his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?"

It was not Nisan 16, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, it was Nisan 13, the day they threw out the leaven on the day before Passover. They couldn't eat leaven on the Passover or on the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

It was the Jewish custom to conduct the Bediqath Hametz (the search for leaven) on the afternoon of Nisan 12. Thus they actually ate unleavened bread on Nisan 13 through 21.

The translation of Mark 14:12 has caused a lot of confusion. The word translated "first" is "protos," here meaning before or former. It is translated "before" or "former" in the following verses.

John 1:15 says, "John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before (emprosthen) me: for he was BEFORE (protos) me."

John 1:30 says, "This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was BEFORE (protos) me."

Acts 1:1 says, "The FORMER (protos) treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach".

Rev 21:4 says, "God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the FORMER (protos) things are passed away."

> > Matt 26:17 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?" NIV

IT WAS THE DAY BEFORE THE PASSOVER

Mt 26:17 (KJV) says, "Now the first (protos, BEFORE, FORMER, PRIOR) day of the feast of ('feast of' is not in the Greek) unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?"

The YLT says, "And on the first (protos, BEFORE, FORMER, PRIOR) day of the unleavened food (i.e., on Nisan 13) came the disciples near to Jesus, saying to him, `Where wilt thou that we may prepare for thee to eat the passover?'"

They were to eat unleavened bread on the Passover. Ex 12:7,8 says, "And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and UNLEAVENED BREAD; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it."

Luke 22:1 says, "Now (i.e., on Nisan 13) the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover" (Nisan 14).

Luke 22:7,8 says, "Then came the day of unleavened bread (Nisan 13), when the passover must be killed (between 3 and 6 PM on Nisan 13). And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat."

I think Mark 14:12 means that about 6 PM as Nisan 13 began, the disciples asked Jesus where they should prepare what turned out to be the last supper. It says, "And the first (before) day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover (Nisan 13), his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover (Nisan 14)?"

> > Marilyn, you said that yeast was baked out of bread. Now be real, have you or do you know someone who has baked yeast out of bread??!!! It can't be done. It has never happen. Don't you know that just a little leaven leavens the whole dough? Therefore a new lump of dough must be started to have no leaven. 1 Cor. 5:6.

Surely I didn't say "that yeast was baked out of bread." Yeast isn't baked out of bread. In bread making, the leavened dough rises, then the heat of the oven kills the yeast, and the dough stops rising. The yeast is still in the bread, but it is dead. Agape

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