Pro and Con 1494

Posted 5-31-09

Giant Laser Reactor Unveiled in California

May 29, 09 - The National Ignition Facility at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory will focus 192 laser beams on a hydrogen pellet the size of a bead, heating it to incredible temperatures in an attempt to recreate the power of the sun....

They have all been reviewed extensively and the experiments are perfectly safe."

But researchers here are confident their efforts will pay off — and be the game changer for meeting the world's energy needs.

Incoming e-mail, Re: another coincidence?

Glory to Jesus Christ!

I have been reading on the 5 Doves website that folk are noticing the numbers “7” & “11” in a persistent manner.

Perhaps the 7 refers to the date of Orthodox Pentecost, which may be the date of our departing (i.e., June 7th); and the 11 refers to the date, that some have proposed, of the revealing of the Antichrist (i.e., July 11th).

Your friend in Christ Jesus

My reply

Thanks much. I don't know much about the Orthodox Calendar. Do you know when the Orthodox date of the Feast of Trumpets and Day of Atonement would be in 2015? and the date of the following Nisan 1 in 2016? Would it still be April 9? Jesus was resurrected on April 9, 30 AD. I figure he will return again on April 9, 2016.

Also, was 6-7-1967 Pentecost on the Orthodox calendar? That was the day Israel took the Temple Mount. 1967 + 42 = 2009, and there are 42 generations mentioned in Jesus' genealogy in Mt. 1:17.

The Jubilee cycle is 49 years. The 50th year is also year 1 of the next cycle. The Jewish 5727 + 49 = 5776. I figure that the Jubilee Year will probably start Nisan 1, 5776, date of the Second Advent, and run until Nisan 1, 5777. Agape

My further thoughts

The Eastern Orthodox use the Julian Calendar to figure feast days, so it seems that any date would be ten days later Julian. In 1582, Oct. 4 became Oct 15. The dates 5 through 14 were dropped. So, if Pentecost was ten days later, the Feast of Trumpets would be ten days later, and the 2300 days would still fit between them. Likewise, the Second Advent would be ten days later. We'll see what happens on June 7. Years ago, Dr. Tabor told me on the phone that there was a way of figuring that would put May 14, 1948 on Pentecost. I have wondered about it many times. Today, I found the answer on the Five Doves site. --- Tony Ellsworth (29 May 2009) "Israel founded on Shavuot???" I got this in my email. Intriguing info regarding Shavuot; on behalf of; ngordon4 [] Shavuot, the Ten Commandment, and the State of Israel ...Shavuot can fall out any time from 4th day of the 3rd month until the 12th, depending on when the “morrow after the Sabbath” during Chag HaMatzot. This means that the revelation of Sinai might have taken place on Shavuot... In his new book “Restoring Abrahamic Faith” (available from, Professor James Tabor of the University of North Carolina at Charlotte argues that the State of Israel was established on the biblical date of Shavuot.... On page 99 of his book Tabor writes: “In 1948 the intercalated 13th month, Adar II, was added to the year, based on [the] mathematical Hillel calendar... However, if one goes by the observation method, as the Karaite Jews, and refrains from adding Adar II, everything is moved back one lunar month... This system of the observed calendar will obviously be restored in the future...” Tabor concludes that based on the ancient and future biblical calendar there should not have been a 13th month in 1948 and therefore the State of Israel was really founded on Shavuot!

Incoming e-mail

...As I have understood all of this, there is a concerted effort underway with groups like the Masons to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem as a symbol of world peace and unity. They are as energized in doing this as are some religious Jews in Israel. Many Jews will be deceived by this Gentile interest in the rebuilding of their Temple. Russia and Islam will even sign onto this plan for world peace and prosperity among the religions of this world....

Incoming e-mail, Re: Possible timeline

I know you consider May 29 as Pentecost but in case nothing happens on that day let me just share with you another possible timeline which is very close.

In my understanding, the Levitical Pentecost is May 31. I'm not going to explain why because we've discussed this before and I know you prefer to go by the current Jewish calendar.

May 31st this year (8th of Sivan 5769) starts on May 30 at sunset. Let's suppose this is the day of the resurrection of the dead in Christ + the first Rapture and use May 30 as "DAY # 1" for the Tribulation.

All my calculations below were made using the inclusive reckoning method (which means the first day as day # 1 and not "day zero", which requires us to subtract one day from the period of time referred to. For example, instead of adding 2300 days, I add 2299 days and so on). I used and

I've made calculations using the above mentioned tools and I found out the following:

a) 2300 days from (and including) May 30 falls on September 15, 2015 ( = 2nd of Tishrei 5776). I know that Yom Teruah (Feast of Trumpets) is celebrated on the 1st of Tishri, but the Jews commemorate this Feast for two days, and also, the Feast of Tumpets officially starts (or used to start, centuries ago) only when the New Moon was sighted over Jerusalem, which could happen either on the first or on the second day of the month. That's why this feast is also referred to as the one "no one knows the day or the hour". Even though it's on the 2nd of Tishri, it's still within the acceptable range of the Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teruah, Rosh Hashana) in 2015.

b) 2520 days from (and including) May 30 falls on April 22nd 2016 ( = 14th of Nisan, 5776). This is the Levitical Passover, the day the lambs were sacrificed (and on which day I also think that Jesus Himself was crucified), the eve of the first day of Unleavened Bread. This is a very meaningful day. The Jews sometimes call the 15th of Nisan as "Passover" and name the 14th of Nisan as "Passover's Eve". But what Leviticus 23 plainly says is that the real "Passover" is on the 14th of Nisan, and not the 15th of Nisan. The days from 15 until 21 of Nisan are the days of Unleavened Bread. Actually the whole 8 days are refferred to generically as "Passover".

c) 2550 days from (and including) May 30 falls on May 22th 2016, (= 14th of Iyyar, 5776). This is the Second Passover. After the Second Coming of Jesus, there will probably be thousands of dead bodies in Israel, and the Jews won't be able to commemorate the regular Passover on the 14th of Nisan. So in this case the Passover Feast would have to be postponed to the 14th day of the Second Jewish month, which is Iyyar.

d) 2595 days from (and including) May 30 falls on July 6th 2016 ( = 30th of Sivan, 5776). This is a "no moon" day. (The following day is New Moon, the 1st of Tammuz). I don't have any idea what would happen July 6th 2016. I only know that this is 45 days after the Second Passover in 2016.

I think these coincidences (items "a", "b" "c") and are noteworthy. I'd just like to share items "b" and "c" with you and ask if you if the Second Coming in this timeline would more likely to happen on April 22nd 2016 (Nisan 14th, Passover) rather than on Nisan 1. After all we must find an explanation for the 2520 days / 2550 days etc. YSIC

My reply

I think the Tribulation has to end with the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets.

Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME."

JoeL 2:1-6 says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A DAY OF DARKNESS and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army of Eze. 38 is attacking Israel); there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness."

This is the day of Jacob's trouble. Jer 30:7 says, "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE; but he shall be saved out of it."

Dan 12:1,2 mentions that day like no other. It says, "And at that time (when the False Prophet will be deposed, Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION even to that same time: and at that time thy people (the 144,000 Israelites) shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake". This is the Pre-Wrath Rapture of Rev. 7.

I expect that day will be Sept. 14, 2015. The Solar and Lunar eclipses on Passover and Tabernacles of 2014 and 2015 seem to indicate that. One Solar eclipse will be after 6 PM on Sept. 13, 2015. Therefore, it will take place on the Jewish Tishri 1, 5776, the Feast of Trumpets, my target date. I think that will be the day Rev. 6:12-17 talks about.

Rev 6:12-17 says, "I beheld when he had opened the SIXTH SEAL, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: ForTHE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

If I try to move the beginning of the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14 forward to May 31, the 2300 days from May 29, 2009 (Pentecost) to Sept. 14, 2015 (Feast of Trumpets), already figured by inclusive reckoning, won't fit.

The 70th week of Dan. 9:27 would be 2520 days. It either gets shortened by 220 days or it started Oct. 21, 2008, because I think it has to end on the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of God's Wrath. 2520 - 220 = 2300 days.

Dan. 9:27 says, "And he (i.e., the prince that shall come, the False Prophet) shall confirm (lit., strengthen) the covenant with many for one week (7 years, or 2520 days): and in the midst of the week (after 1260 days) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (when he sits in the Temple showing himself that he is God; II Thess. 2:4), and for the overspreading of abominations (idols) he shall make it (the Temple) desolate, even until the consummation (the end of the 2520 days), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate" (i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets that is the Day of God's Wrath, Sept. 14, 2015).

Dan. 8:13,14 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (first 1260 days; Rev. 11:1-3), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." I think it will be cleansed Sept. 14, 2015.

Dan 12:11-13 says, "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days."

The 1290 days adds 30 days to the 1260 days of the unshortened Great Tribulation. I think those extra 30 days are to show us that the year 5776 is a Leap Year with a 13th month. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "seven months (from Tishri 1, Day of God's Wrath, to Nisan 1, the Second Advent in a Leap Year) shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

I think Daniel, and the other Israelites, will actually stand in their own plot of ground in Israel on the 1335th day, counted from Mid-Trib.

> > I'd just like to share items "b" and "c" with you and ask if you if the Second Coming in this timeline would more likely to happen on April 22nd 2016 (Nisan 14th, Passover) rather than on Nisan 1. After all we must find an explanation for the 2520 days / 2550 days etc.

I expect Jesus to return on the first day (Nisan 1) of the Regnal, Sacred and Jubilee Year 5776. All other Israelite kings officially took office on Nisan 1.

I think the extra 30 days indicates that the final year will be a Jewish Leap Year with the 13th month. The year 5776 is a Leap Year.

The Dow ended down 777.68 Sept. 29, 2008. That seems to have been a clue to the final year 5776. Even rounding it up, that 777.7 should get our attention. On Sept. 16, 2008, the largest Gamma Ray Burst to date took place. It seems to have been to alert us to things going on at that time. The finances of the entire world were jolted that day. We have felt the effects ever since.

Many thanks for all your hard work. Hope to see you soon. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: how the enemy can just about kill you

I noted what you had to say about a particular experience you had:

“Thanks. I am glad I listened to this video. I know firsthand how the enemy can just about kill you. I was in bed, was attacked and couldn't breath. I was suffocating. I couldn't say anything. I was totally paralysed, so in my mind, I kept yelling, "Jesus make them stop." Finally, they did stop, and I have never been attacked like that again. I must have passed some kind of test. Agape”

I can relate it to the darkest moment I had in my life too:

...One morning in my office I was attacked by a powerful demon who I believe was Lucifer himself, who attempted to push me right out of my body and take me over. It was totally unexpected and I had never heard of anyone else having had such an experience. It was absolutely terrifying and although I attempted to resist him I did not have the strength to defend myself at all.

I cried to the Lord Jesus and reminded Him that He had promised that we would not be made to suffer more than we could bear. This was the moment beyond any anguish that man could suffer. He heard my plea and lifted me up from the floor and freed me from the attack. It never happened again. I will never forget it though because it was a life changing moment that gave me immeasurable confidence in my faith that the Lord was by my side and would always hear my pleas and that the powers of darkness would always be defeated when confronted.

By His Grace, Maranatha, Kindest regards

My reply

Oh my! I know how terrible that once-in-a-lifetime experience would be. Something like that demonstrates their reality and power and makes you so glad Jesus is on your side. Wouldn't it be terrible without him?

Just maybe man, not being created able to see God, was created to prove a point to Satan, who could see God, If man, not being able to see God, will obey God, he is just to put Satan and his fallen angels in prison. They could see God and disobeyed. That could be why Satan and his fallen angels are fighting so hard to corrupt mankind, take away his freedom and his money, make him sick and miserable, and rule over the One World Government when Satan is allowed to indwell the False Prophet during the Great Tribulation.

Isa 14:12-23 says, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (Satan), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land (his planet Rahab was split apart forming our Asteroid Belt), and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the BESOM OF DESTRUCTION, saith the LORD of hosts."

Why Babylon? Rev 18:2 tells us. It says, "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird."

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (the Son of God); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (Satan)?

Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (the asteroid Wormwood; Rev. 8:8-11) Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity (t?alt?elah, hurling), and will surely cover thee. HE WILL SURELY VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL INTO A LARGE COUNTRY (not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down." Gen 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims (i.e., planets that rise in the east), and A FLAMING SWORD (Satan's asteroid) WHICH TURNED EVERY WAY (rotated and orbited), to keep the way of (or to) the tree of life" (which was transferred to Heaven).

Rev 2:7 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." The paradise of God is in the third heaven (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, 3. Saturn).

II Cor. 12:2-4 says, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one (Paul himself, but he didn't want to boast) caught up to THE THIRD HEAVEN. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Of Satan, Eze 28:13-19 says, "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering (surroundings), the sardius (Mercury), topaz (Venus), and the diamond (Earth), the beryl (Mars), the onyx (Rahab), and the jasper (Jupiter), the sapphire (Saturn), the emerald (Uranus), and the carbuncle (Neptune), and gold (Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire (the planets). Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God (i.e., out of Heaven): and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire (from Rehab). Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground (MId-Trib, Rev. 12:9), I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries (on Rahab and on Wormwood) by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I WILL BRING THEE TO ASHES UPON THE EARTH in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

Praise the Lord. There will be an end to his rule as god of this world. 2Co 4:4 says, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." Agape

A post on Five Doves site, Re: "To: Marilyn Agee (22 May 2009) Herod's Platform, The Antonia, and ha-Shetiyah"

From: Oliver Thomas (23 May 2009)

Dear Marilyn, Interesting information and the Antonia could have been quite large, but I don't think you have it in the right location. There was a rock outcropping on the other side of a small valley that separated it from Mount Moriah, this is where the Antonia was built.

Herod's Temple Platform was the largest platform of the ancient world covering 145 acres; this amounts to 6,316,200 square feet. If, as you suggest, this platform was 40 feet lower in 70 AD than it is today, then that would mean somebody added 40 foot of material on top of Herod's platform after 70 AD. Just how much fill material would that be, more than one might imagine:

40 feet times 6,316,200 feet = 252,648,000 cubic feet of material.

If we compare this volume to that of the Great Pyramid 90,000,000 cubic feet, we see that this fill material would have amounted to almost 3 times the volume of the Great Pyramid; this would have been impossible.

Technically speaking the Antonia wasn’t actually built on Mount Moriah; the small valley of Bezetha ran between the two areas. This was to satisfy the Jews who considered the vicinity of the Holy Mount sacred ground. A Roman fortress would have defiled the Temple Mount. Furthermore the Antonia had to be built outside the walls of the Temple environs so as to have no connection to the Temple Mount.

The center of the Temple Mount is the rock that sits at the very top of the mountain. Here are some of the rabbinic sayings about this rock. In the Talmud (Yoma) it is written that: "After the Ark was taken away, a stone remained there from the time of the early Prophets, and it was called Shtiah. The meaning of the word Shtiah is that all the world was created from it and built on it as the foundation.” It is the point where God first created light and began the creation of the universe (Ps. 50:1-2). The ha-Shetiyah is the Foundation Stone that holds back the waters of chaos. It is the center of the universe (Tanhuma, Kedoshim 10). Temple Mount is the location of the "foundation stone" with which God created the world, and that Adam, Noah and Abraham brought sacrifices to God there. ...YBIC .. Oliver Thomas

My reply

It is well-known that Herod about doubled the size of the Temple Mount and built Fort Antonia. At that time, the Temple seems to have been in the southern half of the Temple Mount, and Fort Antonia in the northern half of the mount.

Below is some interesting material on the location of the Temple.

"On The Location of the First and Second Temples in Jerusalem"
by Lambert Dolphin and Michael Kollen

"Living water," that is, fresh, flowing water, not water from a cistern, was required for the ritual bath (mikveh) used by the temple priests, and for the washings of the temple in connection with the sacrifices.

A survey of the level of the aqueduct reveals that if the Temple had been located at the same elevation as the present Dome of the Rock shrine, the aqueduct would be over 20 meters too low to serve either the Azarah or the Water Gate. From this survey, it appears that the Temple must have been 20 meters lower, and, thus, to the south.
When figuring fill dirt, try 20 meters lower than today south of the Dome of the Rock. Above it, the bedrock is at or very near the surface. The bedrock is exposed at the Dome of the Spirits in the north as well as under the Dome of the Rock.

An aquaduct supplied spring water to the Temple from the Ein Eitam spring near the Pools of Solomon in the hills of Bethlehem. It was only 23 cubits higher than the level of the Temple court and was kept running by a built-in syphon with a 100 ft. drop built in the hills.

From where the main aqueduct entered the Temple mount at Wilson's arch, it went southeast to where the Kas Fountain is today. That is important for that is within the area where the Temple was built. The southern location is the only one that will allow the Temple to be over the aquaduct.

Tuvia Segiv thinks the Temple was on the south side between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. I agree. The aqueduct going directly to the Kas Fountain fits that location also.

Look at the diagram below. Follow the aquaduct line southeast. Then look at the Great Sea Cistern. The aquaduct originally ran into the Great Sea Cistern. You can easily see where the aquaduct fit into it.

A diagram of water level is at
"A Dome of the Rock location for the Temple would have made it impossible to supply running water to the Temple.

"...if the Double and Triple Gates (+725 meters above sea level) are the Hulda Gate, and the Barclay Gate (+725 m) is the Ciponus Gate, then the level of these three gates is at the original level of the Temple Mount and we have to lower the level of the Temple Mount by at least 11 to 16 meters from the currently existing court level (+737 meters above sea level)."
Information Source (originally) from
If you need a topography map, go to
A map of the cisterns is at

The Temple had to be supplied with spring water brought in by the aquaduct. It came on a height of 737.5 meters above sea level. The height of the Dome of the Rock platform is 743.7 meters above sea level. That's about 20 feet higher than the aqueduct! A meter is approx. 39.37 inches. The water would only flow downhill. The Temple floor had to be at a lower elevation than the incoming water. Thus it had to be south of the Dome of the Rock platform. That's irrefutable evidence to me. The height of the Temple platform is thought to have been 727.4 meters. The double Hulda-gate entry on the south is 724.9.

Therefore, I think the Temple was in the southern half of the Temple Mount, and Fort Antonia was in the northern half. Josephus was a Pharisee priest. He had seen the Temple Mount first hand. He knew what he was talking about.

The northern and western cloisters of the Temple joined Fort Antonia with steps, because of the increase in elevation of the northern half. Those steps were where Paul preached his case to the people after he was arrested at the Temple.
The Temple Mount in Jerusalem - Fort Antonia
Solomon's Temple on the South End of Mount Moriah - Location of First and Second Temples
The best way to understand where the fort was located is to read through Josephus' account.

1. How big was the temple compound and Fort Antonia altogether? Josephus says it was "six furlongs, including fort Antonia"! With this lower placement of the Temple compound and also the placement of Fort Antonia on the Dome of the Rock platform the measurement all the way round is 6 furlongs just as Josephus said it was.

According to Josephus the Temple compound alone was 4 furlong around, that is aproxamatly 600 X 600, but when Fort Antonia was included in the Temple complex, together it was 6 furlong around. So Fort Antonia was also a square of 600 X 600.

Fort Antonia was not thought of as being seperate from the Temple compound. It was part of it. Between the temple compound, which was square, and Fort Antonia, which was also square, the two formed a rectangel that was two furlong/stadium long on east and west and one furlong/stadium on north and south.

In a plea of Josephus to the Jews he quoted an old Jewish prophecy that said "When the Temple becomes four-square once again then will the temple and city be destroyed." By the destruction of Fort Antonia the temple HAD once again become four-square and he begged them to make peace with the Roman's before it was to (too) late. Of course they refused.

BOOK 6 :7. In the mean time, the rest of the Roman army had, in seven days' time, overthrown [some] foundations of the tower of Antonia, and had made a ready and broad way to the temple.

Then the Jews (the tyrants among them) set on fire the cloisters that conected Fort Antonia to the Temple compound on the northwest and north to sever the Temple from the Fort. With this act the Temple was once again four-square.

2. How was the fort attached to the Temple compound?
Flavius Josephus in 93 C.E.
BOOK 25, CH. 5 Josephus Flavius regarding Tower of Antonia;
8. Now as to the tower of Antonia, it was situated at the corner of two cloisters of the court of the temple; of that on the west, and that on the north; it was erected upon a rock of fifty cubits in height (75 feet high), and was on a great precipice; (steep hill) it was the work of king Herod, wherein he demonstrated his natural magnanimity.

........but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations
How many men were in a Roman legion?

"Organization of the Roman Imperial Legion"

"A full strength legion was officially made up of 6,000 men"
Fort Antonia had to be as large as half the Temple Mount to house 6000 men. Agape

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