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Model Altar of Unhewn Stones Completed at Temple Institute

by Gil Ronen, Shevat 4, 5770 / January 19, '10

( The Temple Institute in Jerusalem announced Friday the completion of a model of the biblical altar which G-d, through Moses, commanded the nation of Israel to build at the Mount of Eval (Ebal) overlooking Shechem...

For many years, the Institute has been examining ways of building a model of the altar from whole stones that had not been touched by iron tools. In the end, the Institute commissioned artist Assaf Kidron of Givot Olam Farm at Itamar, Samaria, to design and create a model which conforms with the specifications described by authoritative Jewish sage Rambam (Maimonides) – one cubit wide, one cubit deep, and three cubits high.

It has been placed in the Institute's visitor center.

Incoming e-mail, Re: "2010"

F.M. Riley (13 Jan 2010)

WELCOME TO 2 0 1 0

“Hear this, all ye peoples; give ear, all ye inhabitants of the world...

As I write I have a news release on my desk right before my eyes which I received yesterday sent directly from This is a committee of the Sanhedrin Initiative in Jerusalem, Israel. I am emphasizing this to impress upon my readers that the info contained in this news release is not an idle rumor or some man’s guess or opinion. This information is for real, and came straight from the Sanhedrin Court in Jerusalem which has been reestablished in recent years to once again deal with questions of Jewish religious worship in their covenant relationship to the God of Israel.

The news release states that on PASSOVER THIS YEAR the religious Jews will seek to reestablish their ancient covenant relationship with the God of Israel by OFFERING THE LAMBS REQUIRED BY THE LAW OF GOD AS PASSOVER SACRIFICES ON THE REBUILT ALTAR in Jerusalem. The religious Jews of the Sanhedrin and others which are spearheading this movement are inviting Jews from all over the world to come to Jerusalem this year and observe the Passover by offering a lamb on the Jewish altar to the God of Israel. They are requesting that every Jew in the world who wants to take part in this sacrificial Passover observance send seven shekels per person in order to buy enough lambs for every person to be able to partake of the meat of their Passover lamb as expressly commanded in Exodus 12.

On Five Doves site

Kay (18 Jan 2010)
"Jews begin animal sacrifices on Passover 2010!!! WOW!" ---

Prophecy in the News regarding the Korban Pesach (Animal sacrifices) to begin this year, APRIL 6!!!

"To participate in a Korban Pesach,
in the event that the service can be performed on PASSOVER, 5770 (2010)."


The spring feasts according to Lev 23:4f: Nisan 14, 5770, Passover, Mon, March 29, 2010, Ed's birthday
Nisan 15, 5770, Unleavened Bread, Tue March 30, 2010
Nisan 16, 5770, Firstfruits, Wed, March 31, 2010
Nisan 21, 5770, Last day of Unl. Bread, Mon, Apr 5, 2010

The spring feasts according to the Jews: Nisan 15, 5770, Passover, Tue March 30, 2010
Nisan 16, 5770, Unleavened Bread, Wed March 31, 2010
Nisan 17, 5770, Firstfruits, Thur April 1, 2010
Nisan 22, 5770, Last day of Unl. Bread, Tue, APR 6, 2010, David's birthday

On Five Doves site

Brenda Robinson (18 Jan 2010)
"Kevin - Peace Treaty"

"they are starting to sacrifice I think someone said IN MARCH of 2010."

Korban Pesach
Korban Pesach (Hebrew: ???? ??? "sacrifice of Passover") also known as the "Paschal Lamb" is the sacrifice that the Torah mandates to be brought ON THE EVE OF PASSOVER, AND EATEN ON THE FIRST NIGHT OF THE HOLIDAY with bitter herbs and matzo.
The Korban Pesach: Defining Israel as God's People
By Rav Yonatan Grossman, Translated by Rav David Silverberg

THE KORBAN PESACH, THE "PASCHAL LAMB" SLAUGHTERED ON THE FOURTEENTH OF NISSAN, is in essence the first detailed commandment received by the Jewish people, and, as we shall see, it directly relates to the founding of the Nation of Israel.

"Yoshiayhu kept the Pesach for God in Jerusalem; THE PESACH SACRIFICE WAS SLAUGHTERED ON THE FOURTEENTH DAY of the first month... Since the time of the prophet Shemuel, no Pesach like that one had ever been kept in Israel; none of the kings of Israel had kept a Pesach like the one kept by Yoshiyahu and the priests and the Levites and all Judah and Israel there present and the inhabitants of Jerusalem." (Divrei Ha-yamim II 35:1, 35:18)

Incoming e-mail, Re: The Rapture

Dear Sister Agee, I have been following your studies for the past 10 yrs. or longer (I am getting old--78--and forgetful). I have believed in a rapture in the middle of the 70th week for about 40 years. However, I believe the first 3.5 years of the 70th week is tribulation only for Christians as "judgement must begin at the house of God." It will be an intensification of the tribulations that Christians have been going through for the past 2,000 years as Jesus foretold us. The Great Tribulation, as you know will only last some time short of 3.5 years. The exact time going forward is still not totally clear to me, though. Of course, the sooner the rapture, the better for Christians. I believe things are really going to get tough for us, and soon!

My reply

I know about forgetful. I'm 81. If I go off on a tangent when talking, I might just forget what I was talking about in the first place. It is so obvious that the Lord is helping me write. When it comes to the Bible, my memory doesn't short out so much. I might forget what I was going to look up for a few seconds after waiting for eSword to load, but then it comes back.

Yep! Things are going to get tough. Things have been getting worse and worse ever since the Dow was down 777.68 on the last day of 5768. They accelerated fast when Obama got in. Someone wants to put this country into debt big time, and Obama is trying to carry that out - on purpose - God help us.

Someone wants to create a food shortage too, and it is coming. Shutting off water to the food basket in central California to save a little fish is idiotic, as if people were not as important as a little fish.

That someone is totally against people, must think we are total idiots, and we must make sure we don't get that way. We must think for ourselves, and not believe everything we hear. We must consider the source, and make sure we know what the Constitution says. Sorry. I feel like blowing off steam sometimes.

It's good to hear from you. All the best to you and yours. Agape

PS: I hope we don't have to stay here until Mid-Trib...

Incoming e-mail, Re: Witnesses

Marilyn, I have been following your site since 1998 thank-you so much for your hard work and your faithfulness in keeping the site updated on a regular basis. One gnawing question if we are indeed in the tribulation which does seem plausable, WHERE ARE THE TWO WITNESSES?

My reply

I expect them to arrive with Christ at the Rapture. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Soros: Republic Enemy #1

By Jim O'Neill Sept 15, 2009

The American Petroleum Institute estimates that OIL EXPLORATION IN THE U.S. COULD CREATE 160,000 NEW, WELL-PAYING JOBS, AS WELL AS $1.7 TRILLION IN REVENUES TO FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, all while fostering greater energy security....

Two years ago Bill O’Reilly said on “The O’Reilly Factor” that “Soros [is] an extremist who wants open borders, a one-world foreign policy, legalized drugs, euthanasia, and on and on. This is off-the-chart dangerous….”

My reply

Thanks. I'm for developing our own oil and gas resources, and against world government.

Incoming e-mail, Re: very shocking statement by former Israli leader & other shocking info

This email was among emails waiting to be sent and so I send it now. Some things we learn break our hearts. I am learning some things like this. If we ask to be shown the truth sometimes we may be shocked at what we learn. This is one of those times for me. I am certain there will be much more up ahead. I do ask and have ask that I not be deceived.

The following statement is shocking especially when read with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and I never knew just how full of hatred some have for us.

We who are called Goyim are thoroughly hated more than I ever thought or dreamed.

The suggestion by many that the people claiming to be Jews today and in Israel are there to welcome the false lord as leader of the world and not who they say they are. Information they present is here for us to peruse or choose to discard.

All this is really difficult to digest but something is not right and we do know that.

What that Col. now deceased claims in the # 2 question below is certainly deserving our looking into. My opinion only. I have heard of a little of this in the past and always discounted such statements.

This statement I did copy and paste here, rather shocking to me as I guess I lived under a rock with my ears protected.

Our ["Jews"] race is the master race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet, and serve us as our slaves.” — Menachem Begin (Israeli Prime Minister, 1977-1983).


Read about white people, believe need to scroll down to #9 Note question and answer # 2 which is astounding to me and goes along with the #9 above

These two are thought provoking to say the least. All must make up their own minds. I DO NOT WANT TO BE DECEIVED, I WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. We all do.

My reply

> > I do ask and have ask that I not be deceived.

Shocking indeed. Am I ever glad you said that you do not want to be deceived. This is a sect of what I call British Israelism, and they are NOT Jews, even though they think they are.

I think God says that they are of the synagogue of Satan. In Rev. 2:9, Jesus, the God/man, said, "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." If these people's ancestors were Jews, why didn't they live in Europe's ghetto's along with the other Jews?

Whenever I see "Kenites" mentioned, it is to me a warning flag. I quickly assume that they are British Israelites unless proven otherwise. Beware.

I'd think anyone would be afraid to say that Israel of today, atheistic or not, is not of God, but totally unafraid, they state it flat out. I'd be afraid of the consequences, myself.

Besides that, they must think Cain's descendants survived Noah's flood. Just who was the flood supposed to wipe out anyway? Do they think God didn't accomplish that which he set out to do? Noah's line went Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel. Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, and Noah.

The Serpent Seed stuff spouted by British Israelism is wrong. Adam was the father of Cain and Abel. Gen. 4:1 says, "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel." (All emphasis is mine)

The British Israelite site said, "...the "Israel" of today in Palestine is not of God and is not the fulfillment of any prophecies regarding God's chosen people Israel. Consider these facts regarding the modern day nation state of so-called Israel: the so-called "Jews" that are there today are over 50% Atheist (i.e., "Secular Jews");

"the nation itself is a secular nation, not a religiously governed one, not the theocracy (God-governed) that restored Israel was to be;

"the land mass in this impostor nation is a mere pittance compared to the vast promised land that true Israel was to receive, and they losing more ground as we speak, ready almost to give up Eastern Jerusalem and the Temple Mount;

"their enemies are surrounding them from within and without. While on the other hand, God had promised (true) Israel that their enemies would be beaten down for them;

"it is peopled by false "Jews" (Khazars) who have a closer blood relationship to Genghis Khan and Attila The Hun than to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob;

"and they are a welfare state surviving only on American handouts and swindled Reparation monies.

"In short, what is there today masquerading as "Israel" is not the fulfillment of any Old Testament Scripture regarding Israel or the Israel people. The whole mess is ONE BIG LIE, as are the people there. The only place Jerusalem, Israel shall have in prophecy is when the antichrist (satan) sits there showing himself that he is God (2nd Thes 2:4, Rev 11:8, etc.). Thus we will have AN IMPOSTOR STATE (Israel), with an IMPOSTOR PEOPLE (JEWS), HOSTING AN IMPOSTOR GOD (SATAN/ ANTICHRIST).

2 "THE PHARISEES, CHIEF PRIESTS, AND SCRIBES, WERE IN THE MAIN KENITES (DESCENDANTS OF CAIN); and Herod, the "Jew's" king, was an Idumean (of Esau, whom God hated). Thus, just as at the First Advent, the people that most think today are "God's chosen" are actually the descendants of those that are God's enemies—the murderers of the prophets, the apostles, and most all, the murderers of God (when He came in the flesh as Jesus Christ). I refer to the fake Jews that Jesus warned His people of in Rev 2:9 and 3:9; "...them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie...." (Rev 3:9), but His people reject the dire warnings today, to their own eventual undoing."

See what you think Rev. 2:9 means. Jesus said, "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the BLASPHEMY of them which SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN."


Rom 11:25 says, "For I would not, brethren (i.e., believers), that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

God has not cast them off. Rom 11:26 says, "And so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer (Jesus), and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob" (Israel).

Gen 32:28 says, "Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed." Descendants of Jacob are the true Israel. They multiplied in Egypt, then were brought out and settled in the Promised Land. That land was promised to them forever.

Ex 32:13 says, "Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and ALL THIS LAND THAT I HAVE SPOKEN OF WILL I GIVE UNTO YOUR SEED, AND THEY SHALL INHERIT IT FOR EVER."

Below is some more of the blasphemy I copied from their site. The author squirms around, but admits that this group is similar to "British Israelism."

He said, "We identify what you refer to as "Christian Identity" to mean, basically, that CHRISTIANS ARE THE TRUE ISRAEL PEOPLE NOW, imbibed with all the promises made by God to ancient Israel in the Bible. This is somewhat problematic, and I will explain why shortly. Also note that there are many varied groups with different beliefs all under lumped under the umbrella of "Christian Identity," so please don't assume that I am outlining a written-in-stone, agreed-upon-by-all, doctrine. I am just identifying that part of the doctrine to which I am referring. Again, defining terms.

"Another name for A SIMILAR TYPE MOVEMENT or teaching was (is) called "BRITISH ISRAELISM." BRITISH ISRAELISM, IN ITS SIMPLEST FORM IS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ANCIENT ISRAEL PEOPLE OF THE BIBLE MIGRATED NORTH AND WEST OUT OF PALESTINE (and I might add, both before and after the captivities of Israel and Judah by the Assyrians and Babylonians respectively). Now, there are many slight variations in this teaching (BRITISH ISRAELISM) as there are within Christian Identity teachings; nevertheless, THE MAIN TEACHING OF BRITISH ISRAELISM IS THAT "ISRAEL", THE ACTUAL BLOODLINE CHILDREN OF THE TWELVE TRIBES OF iSRAEL DID NOT SIMPLY DISAPPEAR FROM THE PAGES OF HISTORY NOR FROM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH as many would have one believe.


Don't you believe it. We all came from Noah's sons, Shem, Ham and Japeth. Caucasians came from Japeth, not Shem. True Israelites, descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, are Shemites. The Hamitic races multiplied in Africa. You can usually tell these three types apart by just looking at them.

As a general rule, only in the Caucasian group do you find alabaster skin, blue eyes and blond or red hair, but there is more variety in this group than in the others. The Shemites usually are of medium build, have dark eyes and prominent noses, and have dark or black hair. The Hamitics usually have kinky black hair.

In another place, the author said, "how could we possibly go on record as supporting a teacher or ministry when we are not 100% in agreement? (The Shepherds Chapel with Pastor Murray is the only exception to this, out of great respect for Pastor Arnold Murray and a keen understanding of the man's doctrinal stance and position.)"

Sure, the Shepherds Chapel group led by Pastor Murray teaches British Israelism.... Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Pre-Trib Rapture

Wow, I have to say I am glad I emailed you. You have really valid points. I can't say I that I agree about the date of the rapture, since no one shall know the day or the hour, but I have an open mind, and realize that this could possibly be the 2nd year of the tribulation.

I did get to thinking about something I heard from a guy named Perry Stone., and in his latest video he talks about signs in the stars, moon, sun etc. and he said something along the lines of, way back in the day, they would send two witnesses out to testify when the first sliver of the moon was visible in the sky, because no one would know the day or the hour/

Then I thought, ok well we may not know the day or the hour but lets just say its late on a Saturday night here in the US, its going to be Sunday in another part of the world. Whether that has anything to do with the rapture or not, who knows. I still kind of feel that God doesn't want us to know when we will be taken, so I'm not going to be setting any dates on the rapture, but as for the Lunar Eclipse in 2015...very good evidence for the end of the tribulation, which is also somewhat explained in the newest Perry Stone Video.

So I appreciate your input, and hope everything goes well for you in the future!

My reply

Thanks, and may everything go will with you.


The new Altar is finished, and Korban Pesach, the sacrifice of a Passover lamb, is to begin in Jerusalem NEXT PASSOVER, Nisan 15, 5770, March 30, 2010.

Nisan 14 is the real Passover (Lev. 23:4,5), but the Jews keep Nisan 15. It is really the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

According to the Hebrew Date Converter

14th of Nisan, 5770 = Mon, 29 March 2010 (my husband Ed's birthday)
15th of Nisan, 5770 = Tue, 30 March 2010

There is a picture of the completed Altar, built of stones from the Dead Sea, in this article.

"Model Altar of Unhewn Stones Completed at Temple Institute"
by Gil Ronen, Shevat 4, 5770 / January 19, '10
"The Temple Institute in Jerusalem announced Friday the completion of a model of the biblical altar which G-d, through Moses, commanded the nation of Israel to build at the Mount of Eval (Ebal) overlooking Shechem...

"For many years, the Institute has been examining ways of building a model of the altar from whole stones that had not been touched by iron tools. In the end, the Institute commissioned artist Assaf Kidron of Givot Olam Farm at Itamar, Samaria, to design and create a model which conforms with the specifications described by authoritative Jewish sage Rambam (Maimonides) – one cubit wide, one cubit deep, and three cubits high.

"It has been placed in the Institute's visitor center."

JR Church, at Prophecy in the News, said that the Korban Pesach (Animal sacrifices) would begin on Passover this year, April 6!!!

I got excited when I heard that, because April 6 is the anniversary of the Crucifixion in 30 AD and our son David's birthday. However, this year, Passover is on March 29 (Nisan 14, according to Lev. 23:4,5) or on March 30 (Nisan 15, according to the Jews), not on April 6. I listed to JR Church today, too, but he didn't change that date.

This sign seems to fit in just fine with the figures I gave you. Sacrificing begins in the first half of the Tribulation and stops when the False Prophet sits in the Temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). Moses and Elijah should appear at the time of the Rapture of the Temple of the Holy Spirit. The earthly Temple will probably be built soon afterward.

I did a lot of study on it, and I think the Temple should be built between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, facing east with the rear lining up with the segment of the western wall called the wailing wall.

As for Mt. 24:36, that is present tense. On that day, no man knew. It has nothing to do with today. All the clues are in the Bible, because in Mark 13:23, Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS." Dan 12:10 says, "none of the wicked shall understand; but THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND." I sure hope I am one of the wise. I'm trying hard to understand.

Mt 24:35-42 says, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour KNOWETH (present tense) no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be (first Zionist Congress: 1897 + 120 years = 2017). For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR your Lord doth come."

Notice that here he did not say DAY AND HOUR, just HOUR. I think that shows that we can know the day, but not the hour.

Mark 13:35 says, "Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning". It doesn't say ye know not the day. The foolish virgins are not to know the day or hour.


Gen 6:3 says, "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

In modern times, it will be 120 years from the first Zionist Congress in 1897 to 2017. I still think Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016 will be the beginning of the Jubilee Year (Sat, Nisan 1, 5776 to Tue, Nisan 1, 5777, March 28, 2017) and the day of the Second Advent. Agape

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