Pro and Con 1543

Posted 3-26-2010

Killer icicles terrorise Russians

Falling icicles and ice blocks have killed five people and injured 147 in St Petersburg following Russia's coldest winter in 30 years.

The Temple Institute has a Kosher red heifer ready to be sacrificed in order to bring in the Third Temple of Jerusalem

"The Temple Institute: The Red Heifer is Ready for the Third Temple"

Rabbi Chaim Richmond, a member of the Jewish Sanhedrin and leader of the Temple Institute, said that they have a red heifer (and maybe more than one).

"According to the video below, The Temple Institute has a Kosher red heifer ready to be sacrificed in order to bring in the Third Temple of Jerusalem....

"As we reported earlier this week, the Jewish capitol is broiling as Islamic protesters besiege the Temple Mount in an attempt to thwart the prophesy of Vilna Gaon who predicted nearly three-hundred years ago that the work on Third Temple would begin after the third Hurva Synagogue was completed. The third Hurva Synagogue was opened Monday."

Supreme Court: No Passover Sacrifice Again This Year

By Hillel Fendel

( The Supreme Court has rejected a petition requesting that Jews be enabled to offer the Passover Sacrifice this coming Monday, the eve of the holiday.

...Tuesday evening, a rally demanding “freedom of Jewish worship” on the Temple Mount was held in downtown Jerusalem. The organizers also demanded to be allowed to celebrate this coming Passover holiday on the site of the Holy Temple by offering the Paschal sacrifice.

They noted that according to Jewish Law, the Holy Temple does not need to be built in order to resume the sacrificial offerings. They emphasized accordingly that the Temple Mount organizations are not trying to change or make modifications to any existing structures on the Mount, but rather aim to receive permission to build a temporary altar, which would be dismantled immediately following the Passover Offering.

The Court ruled, however, that because of feared Arab violence, such an act could not be permitted....

Incoming e-mail, Re: Just checking in

Is everything all right? Haven't seen a post for a month now, just getting concerned. Hope everything is all right. Agape

My reply

We have been terribly sick, Ed with pneumonia in one lung, me with it in both lungs. Both have been in different hospitals. Now, I'm home and Ed will leave Rehab Sat. (or Monday). Besides that, I injured lowest left rib in a awfully hard fall against the seat of my walker first morning out of hospital. Knees hit floor. Rib cage hit seat of the walker with terrible force. Hurts to breathe. I went into shock and passed out for 2 hours. Made it to bed, turned on my electric blanket my daughter got me for Christmas, and passed out. Had read enough First Aid to know to keep a person in shock warm. I was freezing down to the core.

Thank goodness the Lord is stronger than Satan, and that the Lord is on our side. He will only allow so much. Remember Job.

I made good use of my downtime. First night in the hospital, knowing I wouldn't be able to sleep, I read a book a friend sent me. Tip of apex of Pyramid of Gizah, with capstone on, is 5776 inches tall. 5776 is last Jewish Year of this Age. It's been there all along.

Mayan Calendar, and other old calendars, end Dec. 21, 2012. Satan knew from the beginning how many years he had to try to win the Angelic Conflict.

Here's the way it looks. He will inhabit the False Prophet, but this Age will be over in 5776, probably Sept. 14, 2015, the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776. Then 7 months to the Second Advent, Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016). At Armageddon, first day of Jubilee Year (Nisan 1, 5776), Satan will be chained. Then on the 1335th day from Trumpets, 5776, Daniel will again stand in his plot of land in Israel. Agape

His reply

So sorry to hear about your terrible trials!! Hang in there!! Make sure you and Ed both take enough Vitamin D supplements. We take 4000 iu of D3 every day, and it REALLY boosts the immune system. I double up too when I feel that tickle coming on. Most folks today don't get enough sunshine to fight off colds, I know we don't living in the desert and staying inside all the time.

Wow, that is so exciting regarding the great pyramid!! I've always felt that information from various sources including the end of the Mayan calendar would help in the quest. There's even theories that the times in the Bible when Jesus disappeared he was visiting Mexico. Not enough for them to get the whole story as the rest of the world did, and not enough for it not to get corrupted later by Satan into (or back into) human sacrifice, but enough for them to have some truth and remember it.

I cannot wait until the day he's chained. How the universe will celebrate then!! Will keep praying for you and Ed. Agape

My reply

Thanks for the reminder about Vit D3. I told Dave on our way home from visiting Ed today that I had to ckeck and be sure we had some. We had gone through one bottle, ran out, and I can't remember if I replaced it or not. As it turns out, antibiotics only give your body an edge in combating pathogens. The rest is up to the "doctor" the Lord built into our body, our immune system. Among it's main tools are water (contains oxygen) and air (also with life-giving oxygen). Deep breathing is so important, they are sending Ed home with a breathing machine.

Chances are good that I tore my lower left rib free of its cartiledge. Have to take pain pills and still do my deep-breathing. It will heal by itself in about 6 weeks.

At Rehab, they showed us how it takes 2 people to help Ed walk with a walker. That will get worse as the Parkinson's progresses. He has to walk some 4 times a day. Pray that Dave and I will regain our strength so we can handle that. Rehab is not sure we can handle it, but the Lord will see us through. Before I got Ed to Urgent Care, he couldn't walk at all. Rehab has helped. I'll know for sure tomorrow if Ed will come home Saturday. Rehab will try to get him a wheelchair. Agape

His reply

No problem! Will keep praying for sure!

Incoming e-mail, Re: Where is Marilyn?

Hello Anyone There? Where is Marilyn?

You have been gone from the prophecycorner website a whole month now.

If you don't answer this email soon I will assume your website is down or something is askew there.

Then I may call your home phone to check about you if you don't respond to this email. Best Regards

My reply

Ed and I have had pneumonia, Ed in one lung, me in both. I think our son Dave has pneumonia again too. He had been in the hospital a month at the end of last year with ruptured appendix and pneumonia.

Urgent Care Dr wanted to get both Ed and I in the hospital. Ed was sent to one hospital. I begged to get antibiotic shot and prescription and go home, because I had no money to pay copay at the hospital. However, after another X-ray the following Monday, I was worse and was ordered to go to a different hospital the next day.

Hospitals are full. They have to try to shoehorn you in. I'm now home. Ed is still in Rehab. Hope to get him home Monday. When he went into the hospital, he could no longer walk, and could barely talk. He couldn't turn on his side in bed if put there on his back.

At Rehab, they demonstrated to us that even now, it takes 2 people to support Ed so he can walk about 10 steps with a walker. They are not sure Dave and I can nurse him and walk him 4 times a day, but we are going to try. We have no money to get him in a nursing home. We want him home with us if possible anyway. I'm behind on my bills already. Didn't want to go to the hospital. Knew I couldn't afford it, but Dr said that I was worse and she had to get me on IV antibiotics immediately. She said, "But you are going to the hospital." I went.

The Lord saw to it that a few days before I went to the hospital, I saw on the Science Channel that people get pathogens in their lungs, take an antibiotic and feel a little better, take another antibiotic and feel a little better. However, what finally finishes the pathogens is good old life-giving oxygen.

Therefore, the 2nd night in the hospital, the night nurse gave me oxygen to help me breathe. What I had heard on the Science channel kept running through my head. Therefore, I did deep-breathing with that oxygen all I could that night. It made me cough, but I waited until I could draw in another deep breath, trying to get oxygen below the infection. The next day, I told the Dr that I was better. He was amazed how much better I sounded, and said they had had a spate of ones that were not getting better. Thank you Lord for helping me to get better. In Jesus' name, Amen.

First morning back at home, I fell. Rubber roller on back of my walker grabbed my knit PJs as I passed by it, threw me to my knees and slammed my ribs HARD against walker seat. I probably knocked bottom left rib loose from cartiledge. It hurts to take a deep breath or cough, but it should heal in about 6 weeks. Hopefully, the pain will go away before that. I need to do that deep breathing.

When I left hospital, nurse said I was not to do work or drive, but not to stay in bed all the time. I could get up briefly and go watch TV in another room. On my times up, I try to read my email, but in short sessions. Hope to post a Pro and Con today. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: "Praise God from Whom All Blessings Flow....."

I would like to introduce myself; I am now 48 years old and I was raised in a baptist church and my grandfather was a baptist preacher. He baptized me when I was 8 years old. I strayed from the church for many years after reaching my adult years, but I never stopped believing in out Saviour, I just didn't live for Him, I lived for me.

About 6 years ago, God worked a miracle in my life and something happened that was unexplainable, apart from God. Within a relative short proximity of this event, I came back to Him, and Praise God! He never stopped loving me! I have so much to be thankful for.

In 2007, I came across a book by John Hagee that introduced me to the real fact that we are living in the final days. I read more of his books and quickly became drawn to many of the many websites that cover all of these events that are happening before our very eyes.

One of these websites I regularly (almost daily) visit is The Five Doves. This is where I found you and out of all the writings I have read and all the research I have done for the better part of the last 3 years; I have found you and yours to be the most profound and receiving the greatest of my interest, attention, respect and honor. You, my Christian sister, are nothing short of amazing. I regret that you are in California and I am in South Carolina. I would consider it a blessing should I ever have the opportunity to meet you in person and spend time discussing our Lord and Saviour.

I have a question that comes to my mind when I read your most recent writings which discuss the possible rapture on Ascention Day, "Sunday" May 9, 2010.

In many of my studies I find not so much of an emphasis on the Gregorian calendar, but the "30-day month" Jewish calendar.... not a 365 day year, but rather a 360 day year. Also, you say scripture emphasises a "Sabbath" day rapture. Don't the Jews currently and historically observe "Saturday" as their Sabbath?? Then why would we use the modern day "Gentile" sabbath day of "Sunday"???

If Jesus is coming in the clouds for us on a Sabbath, wouldn't that sabbath day be on a "Jewish Saturday" instead of a "modern-day Gentile Sunday???

I look forward to your response. With Christian Love

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

To me, it looks like the First-Trump Rapture will be on the Lord's Day, Sunday, the Last-Trump Rapture will be on Monday, the great and terrible Day of the Lord (the Day of God's Wrath), and that the Second Advent will be on Saturday, April 9, the anniversary of the Resurrection in 30 AD.


In the Preview of the First-Trump Rapture, Rev. 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

I'm hoping for Sunday, Ascension Day, May 9, 2010. No feast day will be on Sunday until the Feast of Unleavened Bread in 2012.


Joel 2:31,32 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the GREAT AND THE TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered (malat, ESCAPE, LEAP OUT, i.e., raptured): for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance (peldytah, ESCAPE), as the LORD hath said".

Isa 2:10-19 says, "Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty....the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day. For THE DAY OF THE LORD OF HOSTS (Christ, Isa. 44:6)shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:...And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall (Eze. 38:20),...And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth."

Isa 13:5,6 says, "They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation (the asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11), to destroy the whole land. Howl ye; for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand; it shall come as a DESTRUCTION from the Almighty."

Rev 6:15-17 says, "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

It looks like the Day of the Lord will be on the Feast of Trumpets, Monday, Sept 14, 2015. That will be 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14), by inclusive reckoning because it is a block of time, after Pentecost, May 29, 2009.


Hosea 6:3 says, "Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, as the latter (Nisan 1) and former rain (Tishri 1) unto the earth."

Eze 29:17 And it came to pass in the seven and twentieth year, in the first month, in the first day of the month (Nisan 1), THE WORD of the LORD came unto me".

"In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Jesus) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the WORD) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

I think Jesus came the first time on Tishri 1 (Sept. 4, 5 BC), and will return on Nisan 1 (Saturday, April 9, 2016). It is interesting to find out that April 9 is the anniversary of Jesus' resurrection. He went away on Crucifixion Day, April 6, and returned on April 9, 30 AD, Resurrection Day, a type of his return at the Second Advent. Agape

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: JB: you should all use the 360 day year

Hi: The Lord gave mankind the Sun and Moon for time keepers. I think that is what we should go by. The 30-day month and 360-day year are estimates, even as they are today. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re:

Sanhedrin call for Passover sacrifice 2010

Considering how active the Sanhedrin has been in the past year: all materials ready to construct a new temple, an altar constructed biblically, a hands-on temple school, and an actual model altar overlooking the Temple Mount, and less than a mile away as the birds fly, I'm not sure that the Jews will wait for 'permission' to resume sacrifices.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Verichip to include finances

Gina McCray (26 Feb 2010)

Recently, the makers of the the Verichip have merged with a credit/financial company so it use is now expanding to include finances. After this merger, they decided to have a positive image and renamed themselves. Their new company name is "Positive ID".

My comment

Verichips implanted in dogs cause tumors, just like the morphine pump implanted in my brother's back caused a tumor. I consider that these cruel things are backed by the god of this world. Anything against people, like shutting off the water to the food basket in California's central valley to protect a tiny fish. It's simply idiotic.

Earthquakes will increase

Recently: Haiti and Chile

1960 Valdivia earthquake (Wikipedia):
Great Chilean Earthquake (Spanish: Gran terremoto de Valdivia) of 22 May 1960 is to date the most powerful earthquake ever recorded, rating 9.5.

The Alaskan earthquake (9.2) of March 27, 1964 was the 2nd greatest ever.

The Alaska earthquake released 100 times as much energy as the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, and the only larger earthquake ever recorded was a 1960 magnitude 9.5 in Chile....

Water sloshed in lakes and harbors as far away as Louisiana, and water levels jumped in wells as far away as South Africa....

During the earthquake, more than 100,000 square miles of Alaska broke, twisted, tilted, dropped and rose. Seward moved about 47 feet south; Cordova migrated 46 feet southeast. Parts of Montague Island rose more than 30 feet; areas around Portage dropped nine feet. According to a National Academy of Sciences study commissioned by President Lyndon Johnson in 1964, the earthquake also killed 90 percent of the mussels in Prince William Sound, stopped the flow of Ship Creek in Anchorage for 18 hours, and shortened the intervals between eruptions of Old Faithful geyser in Yellowstone National Park....

The tilted floor of the Gulf of Alaska caused tsunamis that ate shorelines like rapidly rising tides, reaching 100 feet above sea level in Shoup Bay near Valdez and 60 feet at Kodiak. The tsunami destroyed 158 houses in and around Kodiak and killed eight people there. Tsunamis killed 12 people in Seward and Whittier, 23 in the village of Chenega, and destroyed the waterfronts of Homer, Cordova, and other coastal towns. In Crescent City, California, more than 1,500 miles from Alaska, tsunami waves washed over five streets parallel to the beach, killing 12 people there.

1,300-year-old fragments of Hebrew Bible reunited after centuries

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: Kevin Heckle (1 March 2010)
"Jesus Crucified on His Birthday and the 70 Weeks of Daniel"

Just for background, I have studied the Bible as hard as I can go ever since 1960. I researched Jesus' birth and crucifixion dates in the Seminary Collection at BIOLA's library in La Mirada, CA. Among many other things, I was lucky enough to find in La Mirada a copy of Leslie P. Madison's unpublished 1963 Th.D thesis at Dallas Theological Seminary, "Problems of chronology in the life of Christ." That helped me see those things clearly as I continued my research.

I am convinced that Jesus was born Tishri 1, 3757 (Sept. 4, 5 BC) and was crucified on Nisan 13, 3790 (April 6, 30 AD, Julian), the Eve of the true Passover, Nisan 14 (Lev. 23:4,5).

I don't see how the Crucifixion Day could have been on Jesus' Birthday. I think his conception was during Hanukkah and his birth was on the following Feast of Trumpets.

Hosea 6:3 says, "...the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, AS THE LATTER AND FORMER RAIN UNTO THE EARTH."

The former rain started Tishri 1 (date of his First Advent), and the Latter rain started Nisan 1 (date of the Second Advent). For the dates of the former and latter rain, see the Calendar Chart in the first edition of Unger's Bible Handbook. Eze 29:17 sets the month and day. It says, " the first month, in the first day of the month, the WORD of the LORD came unto me".

Verse 21 says, "In that day (first month, first day) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Jesus) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the WORD) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

I think the Crucifixion was on Nisan 13, the preparation of the Passover. It couldn't have been on Nisan 1 or Tishri 1. At the Crucifixion, Passover was still future.

John 19:14 says, "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

John 18:28 says, "Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover." Agape

Bringing in the sheaves

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (BP)--A reported 40,127 Haitians have made professions of faith in Jesus Christ since a major earthquake hit the impoverished nation in January, according to pastors and directors of missions within the Confraternite Missionaire Baptiste d'Haiti (CMBH).

Incoming e-mail, Re: Carlos

King Juan Carlos going to Malta in November

‘5+5 Forum’ discusses relaunch of Med Union

CORDOBA - Senior officials from 10 western Mediterranean countries met here Tuesday to discuss the relaunch of the Mediterranean Union, which has been stalled over the recent war in Gaza. The one-day meeting in the southern city of Cordoba brought together foreign ministers or representatives from Spain, France, Italy, Malta, Portugal, Algeria, Libya, Morocco, Mauritania and Tunisia.

...the five Catholic nations and the five African Arab nations united RE-FORM THE EARLY ROMAN EMPIRE, the same entity that crushed ancient Israel.

Incoming e-mail, Re: 2 Israeli Missile Ships to Persian Gulf /Strange Alliances?/Yellowstone ...

every time when we see headlines in the news looking like a threat:
"Iran anniversary 'punch' will stun West: Khamenei" and "Israel urges "crippling" sanctions now against Iran" can we hear Christians talking about "ARMAGEDDON".

Now, should not the RAPTURE be just before the battle of ARMAGEDDON?

And can the RAPTURE, which will be no sooner, than at the sounding of the very LAST TRUMP (1 Corinthians 15:52) take place before the condition for the sounding of the SEVENTH TRUMP (Revelation 11:15) has been fulfilled?

Shall it not be fulfilled, as it has been said in the message that "every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" at the second coming of the Lord for to finally meet His Bride (which is His flesh here on the earth now) in the air?

Although I think, that the Yellowstone earthquake swarms had been caused by precipitation, which has kind of lubricated cracks in the surface of the tectonic place, rather than by rising magma, do I think that an earthquake like last week's 6.0 magnitude in the Mendocino fault

All the major Californian fault lines are running into the Mendocino-fault, which is the weakest link in the chain, which keeps the North American tectonic plate in it's momentary position. The sum of all those North-West American tectonic forces is hooked up there in one point, which until now holds like the bolt in the mid of a pair of scissors. But one day will it crack. And it could be, that some crazy men, probably foreign forces are going to assist nature in exactly that point to hasten the accuring of that major natural disaster, which will reshape the entire Western coastal line of North America.

But that will not be Armageddon then, but it could be that disaster, which will bring the squeeze on the Bride-church.

Something has got to happen for bring the disaster and the "time of trouble", during which all not affiliated ministers will be kept from from ministering.

But that will be "PERSECUTION", not ARMAGEDDON then.

Now, for a clear view into the future do we need an answer for the question if 1 Corinthians 15:52 can come before the condition of Revelation 11:15 has been met? Shalom

My reply

> > Now, should not the RAPTURE be just before the battle of ARMAGEDDON?

No. Armageddon is between Christ's army and Satan's army. It follows the Second Advent.

There are two Raptures. The First-Trump Rapture of I Thess. 4:16,17 is between now and Mid-Trib, hopefully Ascension Day, May 9, 2010.

The Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51.52 is on the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:17; 7:14), just before Earth is hit by the 2 asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11.

Satan's home seems to be on the asteroid called Wormwood. Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (to destroy Babylon, not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

After the First-Trump Rapture, all the saints in Heaven will sing the NEW SONG (Rev. 5:9). After the Last-Trump Rapture, only the 144,000 Hebrews can sing the NEW SONG (Rev. 14:3-5).

> > And can the RAPTURE, which will be no sooner, than at the sounding of the very LAST TRUMP (1 Corinthians 15:52) take place before the condition for the sounding of the SEVENTH TRUMP (Revelation 11:15) has been fulfilled?

The 2 trumpets of GOD are not any of the 7 trumpets given to 7 ANGELS.

The first and last trumpets of God are sounded at the two Raptures. Only after the Tribulation saints are safely in Heaven (Rev. 7:14) will the seven trumpets of judgment be given to the seven angels in Rev. 8.

> > Shall it not be fulfilled, as it has been said in the message that "every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" at the second coming of the Lord for to finally meet His Bride (which is His flesh here on the earth now) in the air?

Christ will catch up his Bride at the First-Trump Rapture (Rev. 4:1). At the Last-Trump Rapture (Rev. 7:14), the 144,000 will be added to the Bride group, who all bow and confess that Jesus is LORD before the Second Advent takes place..

> > Now, for a clear view into the future do we need an answer for the question if 1 Corinthians 15:52 can come before the condition of Revelation 11:15 has been met?

The Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51,52 will come as the Day of God's Wrath begins. From that point, there will be 7 months before the Second Advent takes place (Eze. 39:12,13).

Rev 11:15-19 takes place on the Day of God's Wrath. It says, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come (i.e., the Second Advent is still future); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." Agape

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: "Ken to - Bruce Warner (8 Feb 2010)
Are OT saints included in the Raptures?"

I think the OT saints will be included in the Raptures. We have to read Scripture carefully.

> > Heb 11: 39: And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40: God having provided some better thing for US, that THEY without us should NOT be made perfect.

> > What about OT (Old Testament) saints that died in faith? Will they rise at this time? NO! Going by Heb 11:39-40

The OT saints were not made perfect without us, but I think they will be made perfect with us.

> > The OT saints are NOT raised at this time (1 Thess 4:16-17) OT saints are NOT made perfect BEFORE us and it would be bringing them into our dispensation of the church. Again it is about separating the two dispensations! And they are NOT of the heavenly kingdom but we are both of the seed of Abraham - they are of the EARTHLY Kingdom.

Then what does Heb 11:13-16 mean? It says, "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the EARTH. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country (Earth) from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. BUT (change of subject) NOW THEY DESIRE A BETTER COUNTRY, THAT IS, AN HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city."

That city is the heavenly New Jerusalem. Right after the Rapture, we see the 24 elders crowned and sitting on their thrones in Heaven (Rev. 4:4). Twelve are the twelve patriarchs of Israel. Twelve are the twelve apostles of Israel.

Their names are on the heavenly New Jerusalem.

Rev 21:10-14 says, "And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are THE NAMES OF THE TWELVE TRIBES of the children of Israel: On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them THE NAMES OF THE TWELVE APOSTLES of the Lamb." Agape

That was a war council in Damascus

Feb 28, 2010 - The three-party meeting that took place in Damascus on Friday gathering the Syrian president Bashar al Assad, the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Hizbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah was a war council to devise counterattack plans and assign tasks in the event of an Israeli offensive on one or all parties, wrote Abdelbari Atwan, the editor-in-chief of the pan-Arab newspaper Al Quds al Arabi....


Nasa radar finds ice on moon's north pole

2 Mar 2010 - A US radar that launched into space aboard an Indian spacecraft has detected craters filled with ice on the moon's north pole....

The US space agency's Mini-SAR radar found more than 40 small craters ranging in size from one to nine miles, each full of ice.

"Although the total amount of ice depends on its thickness in each crater, it's estimated there could be at least 600 million metric tons of water ice," Nasa said in a statement.

Bears, lynx &wolves considered for reintroduction in Britain

My comment

Anything that can be thought up to work against people, we know where that comes from.

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