Pro and Con 155, Uploaded 7-18-98

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I was reading something on one of the christian websites not long ago, don't remember where, but they quoted the bible verse that speaks about Israel counting 7x7 or getting 49 weeks, then the 50th week being the Feast of weeks or Pentecost [Jubilee]. What was interesting about it is this - according to them, since this is Israel's FIRST jubilee back in their land, this whole year is a Pentecost!!! Not just May 31! So you see! Maybe all this time, YOU have been right after all! Wow! What a thing, eh? Makes sense to me!

My reply

Have to scratch my head on that one. I don't know how they figure that. In Lev. 25:8,9, it talks about 7 x 7 years and the 50th year is the year of Jubile. Dan. 9:25 mentions seven weeks, or 49 years, but not one more. The only connection I can think of is that Pentecost means 50, but in relation to the 50th day. Pentecost and Jubilee seem like two different things to me. The first is figured in days and comes around every year. The second is figured in years. The Biblical Jubilee is announced on the previous Day of Atonement and then starts the following Nisan 1, the beginning of the Sacred Year. This Jubilee would run from March 28 this year through March 17 next year.

Not that it means anything, but they harvested a corner of the wheat field near here today. At least we know that this is the time of wheat harvest at this latitude, and we are about the same latitude as Israel. Tomorrow is Sunday, Tamuz 25, the 50th day since Sivan 6, Pentecost, counted by Jewish Inclusive reckoning.

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Is the Middle East peace process between Israel and the Palestinians, the same peace agreement the Anti-Christ is involved in with Israel? Are they one in the same? Israel can`t give any more land up because of security concerns.That is one of the major sticking points as to why the peace agreement has not been signed as of yet. Doesn`t God say in his word that the Anti-Christ will sign a peace agreement with Israel telling Israel that he will protect them from an attack? Israel signs the agreement there by signing away there country to Satan.

Please enlighten me. God bless

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It may be the forerunner, because Dan. 9:27 says, "And he ('the prince that shall come,' a Roman) shall CONFIRM the covenant with MANY for one week" (of years, i.e., seven years). I think the Roman may be the Tribulation Pontifex Maximus, who is elected Secretary General of the UN. This covenant is confirmed not only by him and by the False Prophet of Israel, but by many.

Isa. 28:14-22 says, "Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death (the False Prophet), and with hell (Satan) are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore...your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report....For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the WHOLE EARTH."

At Gibeon, on Joshua's long day, "the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword" (Joshua 10:11). Joshua, from the Hebrew, is Jesus, from the Greek. On what may be Jesus' long day, the mountain burning with fire (Rev. 8:8) will strike the Mediterranean Sea. "Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast" (Zeph. 2:4,5).

The star burning with fire, an even larger piece of the asteroid, will also strike at noon and destroy Babylon on the Euphrates River. The devastation caused by these stones will be worldwide. "Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (sight, as in Eze. 36:31; it is the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and the mountains shall be thrown down and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground" (Ezek. 38:19,20).

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...Just a note to tell the person who wrote on your Pro and Con 151 about the Mary apparitions [and I use the name "Mary" loosely here because I believe this is NOT Mary at all, but an Angel of Light appearing for purposes of deception] -- It is NOT TEN days that they are saying they will announce this "last prophecy". They are going to announce this LAST prophecy EIGHT days before some "earth-shattering" event is to take place. EIGHT days, not TEN. I've seen it several times on TLC.

Satan dosen't know when the rapture will take place either, you can bet on that, but he KNOWS that the christians, [his worst foes] are getting ready for something "BIG" and that's HIS cue!!! You can just bet your booties that all the spirits in the bottomless pit are "restless" these days. They all KNOW something BIG is about to happen! HOW do they know? All they have to do is observe the REDEEMED here on earth! And you can be sure they are doing JUST that! Amen to that!

My reply

Thanks for this information. I agree with you on the apparitions. I keep wondering if they are the Jezebel mentioned in the message to Thyatira.

It is funny that the Pope was going to declare Mary Mediatrix on May 31st and has not yet done so as far as I know. Yes, someone is in the wings watching and just itching to get going with the program. This salt is holding up the works.

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Jim Bramlett (15 July) "More on Saudi ex-prisoners"

More details on the release of the Christians in Saudi Arabia received via e-mail this morning:

From: Marilyn Phillipps

Praise the Lord! The prayers of the saints have prevailed! We just received word that all of the Christians we have been praying for in Saudi Arabia have been released from jail! They have all been delivered safely!

This past week the favorite son of the king of Saudi Arabia came to the United States to dedicate the largest mosque in the U.S. While he was here several senators met with him and pointed out the irony that he was here practicing his religion with complete freedom while his government was imprisoning and torturing others for practicing their Christian faith. He told the senators that he would see that those in jail were released. When he returned home it was done.

God has moved on the heart of the king! We thank you so much for your faithful prayers! There is so much rejoicing going on here it is hard to write this email! We have seen the victory in this battle! We know there are many other battles ahead and that our Lord is victorious in them all! God bless you for your willingness to stand in the gap! We love you! Blessings!

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Feast of the Transfiguration 8/6/98 . Celebrates the occasion when Jesus led Peter,James and John up a mountain,where his physical appearance changed and he was bathed in light. A voice spoke, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

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Thanks for this information. I wonder how this date is figured.

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I want to share some thoughts re the book of Revelation and especially re ch. 12. I realize several people have written in about the "man child...who was CAUGHT UP to God and to His throne." Almost all commentaries believe that the WOMAN is Israel because of the description in Rev.12:1. However, I believe based on the infor. which I will give below that this is incorrect. Please note the following:

1) We should expect some type of fairly concealed meaning to this chapter since in vs.1 it states that a "great wonder" appeared in heaven. As you read through this chapter one "key" is to realize that there is discussion on TWO levels--one in heaven and one on earth.
2) This book was written by John--the same Apostle who wrote the gospel of John--so we can expect the possibility of him using some similar terms, etc. For example in Rev.12:6 two terms are used that are used in the gospel of John.These are the the words "PLACE" and "PREPARED". In John 14:2 Jesus say He goes to "PREPARE a PLACE" for us. He then says he will return and receive us to that PLACE.We understand this to be the rapture. These are the same exact Greek words used in Rev. 12:6 where it states that ,after the man child was "caught up" to God, that the woman(who was in heaven and now has received the child) fled into the wilderness, where she has a PLACE PREPARED of God. The Greek word for PREPARE is Strong #2090 in both Rev. and John. The Greek word for PLACE is also both the same in both passages. It is Strong # 5117.
3) The Greek word for "CAUGHT UP" is Strong # 726. It means "to seize..to pluck". It is the same word used in I Thes 4 re the rapture.It is also used in several other passages such as IICor.12:2,4 "caught up to the third heaven...caught up into paradise". PLEASE NOTE THIS IS NOT THE GREEK WORD USED FOR "ASCENDED" IN REV.11:12 WHERE IT STATES THE TWO WITNESSES "ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN". The word used there is Strong # 305 which simply means "to go up".Some believe the "man child" is Jesus. IN a secondary sense this could be true. However, in the primary sense Jesus was not "caught up" to heaven in Acts ch 1 but " went up"--not the Greek word for "caught up".Why would the Holy Spirit use different words? After all this is the inspired word of God.
4) One key is to let the Bible--especially the same book--interpret itself. In Rev. 2:26-27 it speaks clearly to the overcomers and the reward:"AND HE (I.E.CHURCH MEMBERS) THAT OVERCOMES...I WILL GIVE POWER OVER THE NATIONS:AND HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON." In Rev. 12:5 it says "AND SHE BROUGHT FORTH A MAN CHILD, WHO WAS TO RULE ALL NATIONS WITH A ROD OF IRON:AND HER CHILD WAS CAUGHT UP..."At this point the evidence is clear.This is talking about the CHURCH that is raptured and is to rule all nations with a rod of iron.
Why has there been so much confusion? One reason is that some believe that since this is all in ch. 12 of Rev. that it must be around the time of the "mid-tribulation". Then it is assumed the man-child cannot be the rapture of the church since it is raptured at the start ot the tribulation.Here comes something that may be "hard to swallow":Rev. chs.6-11 include the following: The opening of all of the 7 SEALS AND THE SOUNDING OF THE TRUMPETS OF ALL 7 ANGELS. See Rev. 8:1"and when he had OPENED the SEVENTH seal..." and Rev.11:14 "and the SEVENTH angel SOUNDED". Note what happens at the conclusion of this in ch.11 "The kingdoms become of our Lord...and He shall(now) reign for ever...vs. 17 "and hast reigned"..the time of the resurrection of the dead vs.18... and the time of rewards for the servants. Clearly this brings us to the time of the 2nd coming and the etablishment of Jesus ruling over the nations.
What does this mean with regards to Rev. ch. 12?? It means that in ch 12 that the story STARTS OVER AGAIN!!! Now it is clear WHY the story starts with the RAPTURE in ch. 12. It comes before the tribulation starts.Notice that in the progression from ch 12 to ch 13 that the BEAST comes on the scene in 13:1--right as scheduled--after the rapture of the church in ch 12!! Since Rev. chs 12 -16 "tell" the story over again that was told in chs 6-11 we can expect some things to be told the SECOND TIME with perhaps some additional details added.Similar to a different writer of the gospels --telling the same story from a different angle.For example the 144,000 are mentioned a second time in Rev.14:1.The 7 VIALS mentioned in ch.16 are THE SAME PLAGUES as the 7 TRUMPET PLAGUES mentioned in chs 8-11.On the surface they might appear different, yet there is a reason .The 7 VIALS give a fuller revelation of what had already been shown with the 7 TRUMPET JUDGEMENTS; together with certain new features. The 2nd and 3rd VIALS, for instance, seem simply to reveal that the 2nd and 3rd trumpet plagues have increased in extent. You might say that the APERTURE of the lens is more fully opened.
Finally, notice that BEFORE the 7 VIALS are poured out IN REV. CH 16 THAT IN CH 15 THOSE who went through the tribulation and "had gotten the victory over the beast"--are in HEAVEN. THIS IS BECAUSE THE WRATH OF GOD IS POURED OUT IN THE 7 VIALS--SEE16:1. PLEASE NOTE THIS IS THE EXACT SAME SEQUENCE PRESENTED IN THE "FIRST TELLING " OF THE SAME STORY IN CHS 7 AND 8--WHERE THE TRIBULATION SAINTS ARE IN HEAVEN IN CH 7 BEFORE THE 7 TRUMPET PLAGUES ARE RELEASED IN CH 8. Thos is because these are Christians who are NOT to be subjected to the wrath of God. Before I go any further and explain why the CHURCH is "fed in heaven for a thousand two hundred and threescore days (3 1/2 years) Rev.12:6--I better submit this and see if it is "received" or not.GOD BLESS. Your comments are welcome.

My reply

I think this chapter is all from Mid-Tribulation to the end of the second 1260 days. The woman is Israel and the symbols refer us to Gen. 37:9,10. The 12 stars are the 12 patriarchs. She is in travail, so the man child is not Christ. He was born before she travailed. Isa. 66:7 says, "Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child."

This woman does not flee to Heaven, she flees to the "wilderness, where she hath a place (Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days" (12:6). She is persecuted by Satan when "he was cast unto the EARTH" (12:13). "And the EARTH helped the woman" (12:16).

The man child is not the church. All these things come "hereafter" the Rapture in Rev. 4:1. It must be the two witnesses. Christ and those he puts in ruling positions will all rule with a rod of iron during the Millennium. We know that Moses and Elijah are the "two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth" (Rev. 11:4). They stood before Christ at the Transfiguration.

When the mother of James and John asked that one sit on Christ's right hand and the other on his left hand "in thy kingdom," Jesus said, "to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father" (Mt. 20:21,23). Just maybe, those chairs are reserved for Moses and Elijah. When Jesus was transfigured, he said, "There be some some standing here (Peter, James, and John), which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his KINGDOM" (Mt. 16:28). Who stood before him 3 verses later? Moses and Elijah.

Jesus knew beforehand that he was to be killed. That is a hard thing to face. Moses and Elijah also know ahead of time that they are to be killed. I think it would be fitting that they earn the right to sit on either side of Christ in his kingdom, both because of their previous work for the Lord and their work for him during the Tribulation. They are unique among prophets, and their ministry during the Tribulation will last 3 1/2 years, as Christ's ministry did in 30 AD.

> the story starts with the RAPTURE in ch. 12. It comes before the
> tribulation starts.

Chapter 12 is "hereafter" the Rapture in chapter 4.

Rev. 11:1-13 is the first half of the Tribulation, except for the 3 1/2 days that Moses and Elijah lay dead in the street of Jerusalem before they are resurrected and called up to Heaven. Rev. 12 is the last half of the Tribulation. Those 3 1/2 days are actually in the last half of the Tribulation and so the catching up is also placed in Rev. 12. Those 3 1/2 days link these two chapters together. I think the "Come up hither" of 11:12 and the "caught up unto God, and TO HIS THRONE" of 12:5 both represent the same thing, the ascension of the two witnesses. "TO HIS THRONE" fits my guess that Moses and Elijah will sit on Christ's right and left.

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Every time I read about the Tree of Life, I wonder who will eat from it and why. If we are changed in the twinkling of an eye into new bodies that are immortal, then why will we need the Tree of Life? Why will those who overcome, in the message to the church at Ephesus, need to eat of the Tree of Life?(Rev.2:7) What kind of healing will the nations need? (Rev.22:2)

I read on another web site that when Jesus reigns for 1000 years, He and the righteous saints will judge the nations. I had been taught that the 1000 years was a time when everyone will be given an opportunity to read over the Books to learn why God's judgments on the unsaved are just. In other words, the saved will know the secret sins of every unsaved person who ever lived, how many times God rebuked them and why they rejected His gift of salvation.

We will finally know why even our loved ones must go into judgment without an intercessor. I suppose many great religious people, and those we think should be there, will not be in the first resurrection. This will surprise those who followed them and loved them. Is that your understanding?

Will some people not be allowed to enter into New Jerusalem because they did not inherit the Kingdom? They will be on the new Earth but not have access to the city. The idea is that our rewards will be on different levels. Some saints will have much and some will have little. This being the references made in the Beatitudes. Still here and waiting

My reply

If Adam had eaten of the tree of life in the earthly paradise, he would have lived forever (Gen. 3:22). In Rev. 2:7, the "churches" are told, "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Therefore, the overcomers will live forever. In Rev. 22:2, in the heavenly paradise, we find the tree of life. It has "twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." Rev. 22:14 (NASB) says, "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city." (See note in Green's Interlinear for the source of the Greek for "wash their robes.")

Jesus is the door, or gate, by which we enter Heaven. Jesus gives eternal life. Those who wash their robes in the blood of Christ have the right to the tree of life. Rev. 21:26 says of the heavenly New Jerusalem, "there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

I seems that the tree of life symbolizes Christ. The leaves of this tree are strong medicine. In earthly Jerusalem, "the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity" (Isa. 33:24). Who can heal? Who can forgive iniquity? Christ. I think he is the bread of life and the tree of life. If we "eat" of this bread, we have eternal life. If we "eat" of this tree, we have eternal life.

Psa. 1:1-4 seems to be Messianic. It says, "BLESSED is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he (i.e., Christ, the sinless one who fulfilled the law) shall be like (symbolic language) a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth HIS fruit in HIS season; HIS leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever HE doeth shall proper. The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away." (Here, we can see that the chaff are the ungodly.)

> 1000 years was a time when everyone will be given an opportunity to read
> over the Books to learn why God's judgments on the unsaved are just.

I have never heard of this.

> Will some people not be allowed to enter into New Jerusalem because they
> did not inherit the Kingdom? They will be on the new Earth but not have
> access to the city.

New Jerusalem is heavenly. It is way too large to fit in Israel. There is an earthly Jerusalem and a heavenly Jerusalem, an earthly Zion and a heavenly Zion.

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I found this on the net. Very interesting that the Feast of Trumpets has 90 blasts the final one being a long blast that signals victory or good news. Just wanted to share it with you.

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For quite some time certain verses in the bible have been repeating themselves over and over again in my mind. Matthew 24, Vers. 36-44, New American Bible:

(The Need for Watchfulness} " As for the exact day or hour, no one knows it neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father only." (We may not know the day or hour but we definetly know that it is near even at the door and I am sure that just like Noah was told by God WHEN to enter the ARK, so we too will be TOLD BY GOD WHEN THAT DAY approaches to enter in, or COME UP. We will all know the day and hour when we are called to come up, be it a day before, an hour before a minute before or second before, GOD WILL REVEAL it to us in his perfect timing WE WILL SURELY KNOW. Our God is a God of perfection, therefore, let us wait on Him. The very day Jesus spoke these words Jesus did not know the exact day or hour, whether He desired not to know, or the Father willed Him not to know at the very moment, we don't know for sure. However, you can be reassured that because the Father and Son are ONE, the hour and day has been revealed to the Son when the FATHER WILLED IT on HIS PERFECT TIMING, most probably when Jesus returned to the Father in heaven.)

"The coming of the Son will repeat what happened in Noah's time. In the days before the flood people were eating and drinking, marrying and being married, right up to the day Noah entered the Ark. They were totally unconcerned until the flood came and destroyed them. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be out in the field; one will be taken and one left. Two women will be grinding meal; one will be taken and one will be left. STAY AWAKE, THEREFORE, you cannot know the day your Lord is coming."

{The days we are now living in are an exact reflection of what the days are Noah were like. People are unconcerned because they are too busy with their own going ons. Violence, Murders, all the evil is a direct reflection of Noah's day also. Jesus tells us to STAY AWAKE. WHY? Because we cannot know the day your Lord is Coming. Notice he did not say YOU WILL NOT KNOW THE DAY your Lord is Coming. He knew that in God's perfect timing, this information would be given to us at a much later date, which is yet to come.)

"Be sure of this; if the owner of the house knew when the thief was coming he would keep a WATCHFUL EYE and not allow his house to be broken into. You MUST be prepared in the same way. The Son of Man is coming at the time YOU LEAST EXPECT."

(Jesus commands us to WATCH and to prepare in the same way. In other words WATCH for HIS COMING and be right with God at all times. He said He would come when YOU LEAST EXPECT it to happen. These are the words that have been going through my mind over and over again, WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT. Is God trying to reveal something here and we have missed it? We have expected His return at the MOST EXPECT timing: we most expect the Rapture to happen on Pentecost, we are most expecting it to happen on the SABBATH, we are most expecting it to happen on a Feast day. It still may happen on the sabbath or feast day, However, it may also happen on a day we LEAST EXPECT too happen, according to the words of Jesus. This is something to think about, pray about, and ask God for guidance for, that is certain. It may happen TODAY, TONIGHT, TOMMORROW, we know that it is near even at the door. I just want to share this information with you Marilyn and all the faithful who are watching and praying and longing for HIS SOON RETURN.

Marilyn, God Bless You and keep you and yours to the day of His Coming. Thank you again for letting us share our views with you and for all the hard work you have done through the years. We are all truly blessed by people like you, who love God so much, to continue to bring back the lost at any cost, and to ALERT and AWAKE the sleeping Christians out there. Keep up the GREAT WORK. I am praying for God to strengthen you physcially to continue your good work, for his praise and his glory. In the days of Noah God called Noah to COME IN to the Ark. In the days of Lot, God called Lot OUT OF Sodom & Gommorrah. In our days, the days of the Rapture, God will call us to COME UP.)

Come Lord Jesus Come Soon. MARANATHA!

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