Pro and Con 1555

Posted 6-26-2010

The Pope wears scarlet robe, Dagon's two-horned hat, and scarlet shoes


Nimrod wore scarlet robes. He was called Dagon by the Philistines. "The two-horned mitre, which the Pope wears, when he sits on the high altar at Rome and receives the adoration of the Cardinals, is the very mitre worn by the priests of Dagon, the fish-god of the Philistines and Babylonians" (The Two Babylons, Hislop, p. 215).

The Pope's two-horned mitre reminds me of Rev 13:11,12. It says, "I beheld another beast (Satan) coming up out of the earth; and he had TWO HORNS (two comings to power, in Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet, the only two men called the son of perdition) like a lamb (Christ has two advents), and he (the False Prophet, probably wearing the two-horned mitre) spake as a dragon (because he is Satan-possessed). And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast (then he must be a Pope too) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

Concerning Mid-Trib, Rev 12:7-9 says, "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out INTO THE EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him."


Dan 8:9-14 says, "And out of one of them (Alexander's kingdom was split between four of his generals) came forth a LITTLE HORN, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some (one third of the angels) of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. Yea, HE MAGNIFIED HIMSELF (Mid-Trib) even to the prince of the host, and THE PLACE OF HIS SANCTUARY WAS CAST DOWN. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (i.e., in the first half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED DAYS; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."


Rev 17:8 says, "The beast (the great red dragon, Satan) that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man now); and SHALL ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT (Mid-Trib, and go into perdition (the False Prophet, the 2nd son of perdition): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man now), and yet is" (exists).

It looks like Satan knew when he would be allowed to possess the False Prophet, because the Mayan Calendar ends Dec. 21, 2012. I figure that Mid-Trib will be Nov 11, 2012, Armistice/Veteran's Day.


1Sam 5:2-4 says, "When the Philistines took the ark of God, they brought it into the house of Dagon, and set it by Dagon. And when they of Ashdod arose early on the morrow, behold, DAGON WAS FALLEN UPON HIS FACE TO THE EARTH BEFORE THE ARK OF THE LORD. And they took Dagon, and set him in his place again. And when they arose early on the morrow morning, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD; and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; only the stump of Dagon was left to him."


Dan 8:23-25 says, "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power (i.e., by Satan's): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and BY PEACE SHALL DESTROY MANY: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."

Rev 13:11-17 says, "I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

My comment about the comet McNaught 2009 R1

"Bright green comet visible in UK skies for the rest of the week"
By Niall Firth

"McNaught 2009 R1 is moving from the constellation Andromeda into the constellation Perseus."

Perseus, meaning breaker, third decan of Aries, has in his hand the severed Medusa head. The star in the head is called Rosh Satan, the Head of Satan. The message is clear. Satan's days are numbered. Similar things have happened before. This message keeps being emphasized. "head Of Satan" Comet (Holmes) Explodes October 23rd, 2007 Increases in brightness".

"on April 11th 1996, comet Hyakutake occupied the same spot in the sky that comet Hale-Bopp did on April 11th 1997....

Now, where is this point in the sky? This point is in the constellation of Perseus, who holds the severed head of the Gorgon, Medusa. This intersection point just happens to be the middle of the head of Medusa at the eye. This eye is the star ALGOL. Therefore, in Greek mythology these two comets intersect on the same day, in different years, forming an almost perfect cross in the eye of Medusa!"

Satan will be beaten by the cross.

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"The Obama Agenda: The Fall of America Through Orchestrated Crisis"

MJ Martin (14 June 2010)

David Horowitz's NewsRealBlog | June 13, 2010 | Liz Blaine

Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats are deliberately and unapologetically engaging in economic sabotage; simultaneously targeting numerous sectors of the American economy using orchestrated systemic crisis in an effort to overwhelm the U.S. economy and effect the destruction of capitalism and America from within. By using the Cloward-Piven Strategy to promote economic and social change through the exploitation of misfortune, national crisis and disorganization the Left is advancing government as the tool for reorganization. The tactics and intended consequences of the Obama administration include:

Strategically planned “crises” to systematically takeover private industry.
Flooding government with impossible financial burdens until the debt becomes unsustainable.
Destruction of the middle class and sustained unemployment through “bailouts” and “stimulus” packages promoted as “revitalization of the American economy.”
Devastation of the housing and financial system through the continued requirement of subprime mortgages to low-income Americans who have little to no hope of repayment.
Expansion of federal powers over states and individuals.
Expansion of the powers of the Executive.
Overloading electoral systems with successive tidal waves of new voters.
Complete control over the media through “net neutrality” and the “reinvention of journalism“
Promoting social unrest and violence.
First promoted in 1966 by Marxist Columbia University professors Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, the Cloward-Piven Strategy seeks to hasten the destruction of capitalism in America by expanding the welfare system to the point of collapsing the economy and implementing socialism by nationalizing large sectors of private industry. In their Nation article, The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty, Cloward and Piven explicitly defined the kind of “crisis” they sought to create:
By crisis, we mean a publicly visible disruption in some institutional sphere. Crisis can occur spontaneously (e.g., riots) or as the intended result of tactics of demonstration and protest which....
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JR Church is excited about Noah's Ark being found on Mt. Suleiman in Iran

Prophecy in the News, June 2010 Main Article

"Gary Stearman interviews Arch Bonnema about his artifacts retrieved from the 13,126-foot level atop Mount Suleiman in Iran. He talked about his climb and showed samples of petrified wood, salt-water barnacles, and sea anemone embedded in the petrified wood at the site."

My friend from Pensacola called as soon as she got her copy of Prophecy in the News. They have found DNA of animals from every country on Earth. I was afraid it was a hoax, but that sounds like the real thing.
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Josephus. In Antiquities of the Jews 20:24, 25 (LCL 10:15), Josephus recounts the story of Monobazus, the king of Adiabene and the husband of Queen Helena, who wanted to see his son Izates before he died. The capital of Adiabene was Arbela in northern Mesopotamia (present day Iraq). When Monobazus saw his son, he gave Izates the district of Carron. The land of Carron is described as a place with “excellent soil for the production of amomum in the greatest abundance; IT ALSO POSSESSES THE REMAINS OF THE ARK in which report has it that Noah was saved from the flood, remains which to this day are shown to those who are curious to see them.”


Although the millenium development goals of the United Nations appear on the outside to be humanitarian objectives, closer examination reveals they actually have at their core the same motives as the Axis powers of World War II - world domination, depopulation, and slavery of the human race. The United Nations World Food Program is meant to seize and control the world food supply, the Educational Program is to indoctrinate the global population, the Medical Program is to coerce doctors and force abortion and genocide through vaccinations and innoculations, and their goal to end world hunger and disease and to acheive a sustainable environment is planned through depopulation.

Osama bin Laden and top aides are hiding in Sabzevar, Iran

DEBKAfile Exclusive, June 8, 2010

Incoming e-mail

The statement: "The Moon material came from the Earth and coalesced into a globe shaped body when each rock tried to get as close to the magnetic core as possible. That is why things we see in space are globe-shaped." has a small error. The rock tries to get as close as possible to the gravitational center of the object as possible, which forces the shape to become spherical as the mass and volume of the object increases. Material that is denser (usually metallics) tends to move to the core because it has more response to gravitational pull, indeed such dense material may not even respond to the magnetic force. If the right kind of metals are present and the object gets large enough to start certain physical processes, the object may end up with a magnetic field which attracts/repels other material based on the electrical charges present. But the material attracted only moves to the core by responding to gravity.

My reply

Thanks. You did a lot better job than I did.

Incoming e-mail, Re: The Jewish Land, Palestine/Eretz Israel: A National Home of Only One People

June 14, 2010 | Eli E. Hertz

The following is an excerpt from the U.S. Congressional Record of 1922 that demonstrates the powerful sense of the members of Congress in favor of reestablishing of a Jewish national home in Palestine:

"Palestine of to-day, the land we now know as Palestine, was peopled by the Jews from the dawn of history until the Roman era. It is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people. They were driven from it by force by the relentless Roman military machine and for centuries prevented from returning.

"At different periods various alien people succeeded them, but the Jewish race had left an indelible impress upon the land. To-day it is a Jewish country. Every name, every landmark, every monument, and every trace of whatever civilization remaining there is still Jewish . And it has ever since remained a hope, a longing, as expressed in their prayers for these nearly 2,000 years. No other people has ever claimed Palestine as their national home. No other people has ever shown an aptitude or indicated a genuine desire to make it their homeland. The land has been ruled by foreigners. Only since the beginning of the modern Zionist effort may it be said that a creative, cultural, and economic force has entered Palestine. The Jewish Nation was forced from its natural home. It did not go because it wanted to. A perusal of Jewish history, a reading of Josephus, will convince the most skeptical that the grandest fight that was ever put up against an enemy was put up by the Jew. He never thought of leaving Palestine.

"But he was driven out. But did he, when driven out, give up his hope of getting back? Jewish history and Jewish literature give the answer to that question. The Jew even has a fast day devoted to the day of destruction of the Jewish homeland. Never throughout history did they give up hope of returning there. I am told that 90 per cent of the Jews to-day are praying for the return of the Jewish people to its own home. The best minds among them believe in the necessity of reestablishing the Jewish land. To my mind there is something prophetic in the fact that during the ages no other nation has taken over Palestine and held it in the sense of a homeland; and there is something providential in the fact that for 1,800 years it has remained in desolation as if waiting for the return of its people."

My reply

Thanks. Agape

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: Bill Griese: "The 2008-2015 Timeline"

> > Evidence shows that the Second Coming of Christ is on Yom Kippur, Sept 23, 2015.

I think the Second Coming will be on the following Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016). The Bible shows that the Lord will come to Earth as the former and latter rain. The former rain starts Tishri 1, and the latter rain starts Nisan 1. Therefore, Jesus was born on Tishri 1 at his first coming, and he will return at his second coming on Nisan 1. I think it will be Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016. That should be the day the Jubilee Year starts. It would end on Nisan 1, 5777.

The year preceeding the Jubilee must be a Sabbatic Year, and 5775 is a Sabbatic Year. It divides by 7 equally.

The Jubilee should be announced on the Day of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, and start on the following Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal Year and of the Sacred Year. The Hebrew kings officially took office on Nisan 1, even if they had actually started to rule previously.

This applies to Jesus too. He should receive his Millennial Kingdom on the previous Tishri 1, the Day of God's Wrath, but he still operates out of Heaven until the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1. On Tishri 1, he sits as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven. That's why that day is the Day of the Lord that is like no other and the Day of God's Wrath.

At the Second Advent, Jesus comes in glory. He couldn't come in glory on the Day of God's Wrath. That's when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 impact Earth. On that dark day, every wall will fall (Eze. 38:20). Every city will be in shambles.

The Hebrews will bury the dead in Israel 7 months to cleanse the land so Jesus can come in glory (Eze. 39:12,13).

In other words, there will be 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets (Sept. 14, 2015) and the following Nisan 1, because 5776 is a Leap Year with the 13th month, Adar II. That extra 30 days shows up in the 1290 days that Daniel 12:11 mentions. That 1290 days shows us that the final year will be a leap year.

In De 11:14, the Lord said "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS (JESUS') DUE SEASON, THE FIRST RAIN (Tishri 1) AND THE LATTER RAIN" (Nisan 1, Unger's Bible Dictionary).

De 28:12 says, "The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in HIS SEASON".

Job 38:32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth (the Zodiac) in HIS SEASON?"

Rev 12:1,2,5 gives info about Jesus' first coming. Here is where the Zodiac comes in. It says, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman (Virgo) clothed with the sun (it's nearby), and the moon under her feet (that happened on Tishri 1), and upon her head a crown of twelve stars" (Corona Borealis). And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered....And she brought forth a man child (Jesus), who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."

His literal throne is on Saturn (Eze. 26-28). Its symbol is the sapphire. The sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear (see Webster's Collegiate Dictionary). I found on the Internet that Saturn comes from the Persian Safir, meaning beloved of Saturn.

In II Cor 12:2,3, Paul was caught up to the third heaven, (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter, and (3) Saturn.

Ezekiel saw Saturn's rings and described them as brightness all around (Eze 1:26-28). To him, they looked like a rainbow.

The sapphire is September's birthstone, and as a birthstone, it means heaven. In BC 5, when Jesus was born, Tishri 1 was in early September, probably Sept. 4.

Jesus is the Head of the Body of Christ. He was born on Tishri 1. We, as the Bride of Christ, are part of the Body of Christ. The Last-Trump Rapture of the Tribulation saints will be on Tishri 1, probably Sept. 14, 2015. Since we are all part of the Body of Christ, I expect the First-Trump Rapture on Sept. 9, 2010, the Feast of Trumpets. This way all 3 parts of the Body of Christ will have the September birthstone, the sapphire that means Heaven and Saturn.

Jer 5:24 says, "Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former (Tishri 1) and the latter (Nisan 1), in HIS SEASON (i.e., the First Advent was on Tishri 1, the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1): HE RESERVETH UNTO US THE APPOINTED WEEKS OF THE HARVEST." The wheat harvest starts on Pentecost and ends on the Feast of Trumpets. It looks like this applies to the Church. It was born on Pentecost and will probably be raptured on Trumpets.

Eze 34:26 says, "I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in HIS SEASON; there shall be showers of blessing."

Hosea 6:3 says, "Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, AS THE LATTER (Nisan 1) AND FORMER RAIN (Tishri 1) unto the earth."

JoeL 2:23 says, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for HE HATH GIVEN YOU THE FORMER RAIN MODERATELY, AND HE WILL CAUSE TO COME DOWN FOR YOU THE RAIN, THE FORMER RAIN, AND THE LATTER RAIN, IN THE FIRST MONTH" (i.e., Tishri 1 and Nisan 1).

In the Bible, when the month is given, but no day, we are to assume that it is the first day of the month. The word for month is the word for the new Moon.

James 5:7 says, "Be patient therefore, brethren (believers), unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early (Tishri 1) and latter rain" (Nisan 1).

Those rains are over for this year. I think we will be caught up to Heaven as the next Tishri 1 begins. That date will begin at 6 PM on Sept. 8, my granddaughter's birthday, and run until 6 PM on Sept. 9.

Her birthday will be Sept. 8. This year, the Feast of Trumpets will be Sept. 9. My dad's birthday was Sept. 10. Their birthdays just might bracket the day of the Rapture, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 9, 2010.

> > Christ will also split the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, so the remnant of Israel can escape to a place called Azel, where they will be protected by God, Zech 14:2-5. The nations will gather at Armageddon, and Christ will return to heaven to gather His holy ones, so He can lead them back to defeat Antichrist and the nations at the end of the 30 day period on Oct 23, 2015. Dan 12:11, End of 30 days is 1290 days from the Mid-point.

According to Eze. 39:12,13, that interval has to be 7 months. Five months of it are mentioned in Rev. 9:5. It says, "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man."

> > Oct 23, 2015 Rev 19:11-21 The Lord Jesus Christ leads His army from heaven to defeat the Antichrist and the nations at Armageddon.

I think Armageddon will start when Jesus returns on Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016). It is a war between Christ's forces and Satan's forces.

Psa 149:5-9 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory (i.e., in Heaven): let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD."

> > 4.) The Rapture is not Pre-Tribulational:
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him (the Rapture), that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasy) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition (the Antichrist); Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." (This tells us that the Antichrist sitting in the Temple at the mid-point of Daniels 70th week must happen before the Rapture, which eliminates the Pre-Trib Rapture theory. Remember also, the context of this book, Paul is writing to correct their misconception about the timing of the Rapture. Some had quit their occupations, they were concerned why they were still suffering persecution, and were worried that they might have missed the Rapture. Paul is addressing these problems. Why would Paul tell them that the Antichrist is going to sit in the temple before the Second Coming at the end of the 7 years, as many maintain? This isn't what they are asking about, and certainly doesn't answer their question about missing the Rapture. If he were to be talking about the Second Coming, then he in fact doesn't answer their question, and that doesn't make sense. But, he is telling them they haven't missed the Rapture, because he's saying the Antichrist sitting in the Temple is a precursor to the Rapture.)

Where it says, "the day of Christ", it should be "the day of the Lord". After the KJV was published, older manuscripts were found. They had "day of the Lord." The falling away is not the apostacy, it is the DEPARTING, the Rapture.

The Geneva Bible says, "Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a DEPARTING FIRST, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition".

All the major English Bibles before the KJV had departing. Here is the list.

1. Wycliffe Bible (1330), "departynge first"
2. Tyndale Bible (1525/26), "departynge first"
3. Coverdale Bible 1535), "departynge first"
4. Crammer Bible (1539), "departynge first"
5. Beeches Bible (1583), "departing first"
6. Beza Bible (1583), "departing first"
7. Geneva Bible (1560), "departing first"

> > Final Seven Years started Oct 29, 2008: This date is 2,520 days (360 days x 7 yrs.) before Sept 23, 2015 and 1,260 days (360 days x 3.5 yrs.) before midpoint, April 11, 2012.

Dan. 8:13,14 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? (Great Tribulation, last 3.5 years) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

2300 days (inclusive reckoning, because it is a block of time) before Sept. 14, 2015 was Pentecost, May 29, 2009.

> > 1st Seal: Rev 6:1-2 (White horse and rider) Rise of the coming Antichrist, Opened on Oct 29, 2008.

The 1st seal cannot be opened until the First-Trump Rapture takes place. The saints are seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9, and the first seal is not broken until Rev. 6.

> > April 11, 2012 Mid-point and Start of Tribulation: Antichrist receives a mortal head wound, then comes back to life indwelt by Satan, and stops Jewish sacrifices.

The Beast and the False Prophet are two different men. Rev 16:13 says, "I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon (Satan), and out of the mouth of the beast (first beast of Rev. 13), and out of the mouth of the false prophet (second beast of Rev. 13).

Rev 19:20 says, "And THE BEAST was taken, and with him THE FALSE PROPHET that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These BOTH were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Rev 20:10 says, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re:

Correction for another odd little bit in Pro & Con 1554, My Reply to Satan's Throne Room-Part 2. The error is here:
It says, "Sapphire is a variety of the mineral species corundum. Sapphires occur in all colors of the rainbow with the exception of red, which is ruby.

Sapphire is the common name for the mineral species corundum. It comes in all colors of the rainbow, including red. Red corundum was known as ruby because people thought it was a different mineral until the last couple of centuries or so. The other colors of corundum were called sapphire, and the blue color is considered the most valuable, but I really like the light violet color of sapphire from Montana just as much....

My reply

Thanks. It is nice to know that the sapphire comes in all colors. Eze 1:26-28 mentions amber and the appearance of fire. Saturn has amber on it.

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a MAN (in verse 1, Ezekiel saw visions of God, so this is the God/man Jesus Christ; Eze 1:1) above upon it. And I saw as the COLOUR OF AMBER, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (that's the ring system). As the appearance of the bow (the rainbow has all the colors of the spectrum like the sapphire) that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD (YHWH).

Jesus is YHWH of hosts. Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (the Redeemer, the YHWH of hosts); and beside me there is no God."

When Israel was at Mt. Sinai, Ex 24:10 says, "they saw the God of Israel: and THERE WAS UNDER HIS FEET as it were (symbolic language) a paved work of A SAPPHIRE STONE, and as it were (symbolic language again) THE BODY OF HEAVEN (the heavenly body) in his (or its) clearness."

Speaking to Satan in Eze 28:13, the Lord GOD said, "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone (representing the original ten planets) was thy covering (surroundings), the sardius (Mercury), topaz (Venus), and the diamond (Earth), the beryl (Mars), the onyx (Rahab, Satan's planet that is now our Asteroid Belt), and the jasper (Jupiter), the SAPPHIRE (Saturn), the emerald (Uranus), and the carbuncle (Neptune), and gold (Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created."

The precious stones in the breastplate can help us identify the one on the throne in Rev. 4:3.

The precious stones in the breastplate had on them the names of the sons of Israel. Ex 28:17-21 says, "thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a SARDIUS (Reuban), a topaz (Simeon), and a carbuncle (Levi): this shall be the first row. And the second row shall be an EMERALD (JUDAH), a sapphire (Dan), and a diamond (Naphtali). And the third row a ligure (Gad), an agate (Asher), and an amethyst (Issachar). And the fourth row a beryl (Zebulun), and an onyx (Joseph), and a JASPER (Benjamin): they shall be set in gold in their inclosings. And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve".

I don't know where this website got the stones associated with the twelve apostles, but it is interesting that Paul is associated with the sapphire (Saturn). He is the one that was caught up to the third heaven in II Cor. 12:2,3 - (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter, and (3) Saturn. (

Paul was the one that explained the mystery of the Rapture too.

Simon Peter - Jasper
Andrew - Ruby
James/John - Emerald
Philip - Carnelian
Bartholomew - Peridot
Thomas - Aquamarine
Matthew - Topaz
James - Sardonyx
Thaddeus - Chrysoprase
Simon - Zircon
Matthias - Amethyst
Paul - Sapphire

Rev 4:1-3 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter (after the First-Trump Rapture). And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate): and there was a rainbow (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about the throne (on Saturn, as in Eze 1:26-28), in sight like unto an emerald" (Judah's stone in the breastplate).

Therefore, the one on the throne is the first and the last, the lion of the tribe of Judah, the Lord Jesus Christ. That is why a lamb is used to represent him later in the chapter.

My reply to an email from Ron Reese (omitted because of the length)

I'm so glad you are trying to wake people up and get them ready for the Rapture.

Ron, I think you just might be right about Sept. 9, 2010 being the Rapture. The Body of Christ is made up of three parts, Jesus Christ, the Bride of Christ that is caught up in the First-Trump Rapture, and the Tribulation saints that are caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath.

SEPTEMBER BIRTHSTONE FOR THE BODY OF CHRIST 1. Jesus was born into a new world (Earth) in September on the Feast of Trumpets in 5 BC. His birthstone is the sapphire, which means Heaven and is a symbol of Saturn, the place of Jesus' throne in Eze. 1:26-28. It's sign is Virgo, and at the time of Jesus' birth, the Sun was clothing Virgo with light and the Moon was under her feet (Rev. 12) on the Feast of Trumpets.

2. First-Trump Rapture. The Bride of Christ will be born into a new world (Heaven, i.e., Saturn, the third heaven Paul was caught up to in II Cor. 12:2,3 - (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter and (3) Saturn).

3. Last-Trump Rapture. The Tribulation saints will be born into a new world (Heaven) on the Feast of Trumpets that is the Day of God's Wrath. Their birthstone will be the sapphire, which means Heaven.

If 1 and 3 have the sapphire birthstone, the Bride of Christ should also have the September birthstone, the sapphire, because we are all one body, The Body of Christ. Therefore, the chances are good of a September 9 Rapture this year.

My granddaughter's birthday is Sept. 8. My dad's birthday is Sept. 10. They bracket the Sept. 9 Feast of Trumpets. That doesn't happen every year, but it does this year. The Feast of Trumpets will start at 6 PM on Sept. 8.

> > The Seal Judgments and the Trumpet Judgments run concurrently, or at the same time, which is during the 1st half of the Final 7 Years

The 7 trumpet judgments come out of the 7th seal. All 7 trump judgments (Rev. 8:1f) hit Earth on the Day of God's Wrath after the Last-Trump Rapture (Rev. 7:14) takes place. The Rapture takes place after the Day of God's Wrath begins (Rev. 6:17).

> > we are IN THE PROCESS of seeing the fulfillment of the 2nd Trumpet Judgment. I emphasize that it is not yet completed. More than likely, before we see the COMPLETE fulfillment of this Judgment, the 1st Trumpet Judgment will have taken place.

No Trumpet Judgment can take place until the whole Body of Christ is with Jesus in Heaven. Then, he will be seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ while both Heaven (Rev. 8:1) and Earth (Hab 2:20) are silent. The 7 trumpets will be given to the 7 angels after judgment is passed.

All the Body of Christ will get their rewards in Heaven at the same time unbelievers on the Earth receive their just deserts.

Rev 11:18,19 says, "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest give REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest DESTROY them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament (it it are 2 pieces of stone): and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an EARTHQUAKE, and great hail."

That earthquake is the worldwide earthquake of Eze. 38:20. It happens on Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was the type. Every wall will fall. Every city in the world will be in shambles. The dead will lay unburied around the world. Only in Israel will the dead be buried. That war starts and ends on the Day of God's Wrath. That war is the thing that brings God's fury up in his face (Eze. 38:18f). The fire of his wrath will hit Earth when the 2 asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 impact Earth. The mountain-sized piece will impact the Mediterranean Sea and end the Gog and Magog War in an instant. Only 1/6th of the army will survive and flee to Siberia.

Of that day, Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (the asteroid Wormwood, after his planet Rahab blew up and formed our Asteroid Belt)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (Iraq, not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's (Satan's) house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

> > I believe this Sudden Destruction of World War III, will also bring about the Rapture of the Bride. See my post, "The Simultaneous Rapture and Sudden Destruction". When I say World War III, I am referring to the Battle of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38 and 39, which is when the U.S.S.R, and her allies, including Iran, make the fatal mistake of attacking Israel.

It brings about the Rapture of the Tribulation saints. The Bride is already in Heaven.

What will the Body of Christ be doing in Heaven at that time? Psa 149 tells us.

Psa 149:1-9 says, "Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG, and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. Let the saints be joyful in glory (Heaven): let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD." Agape

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