Pro and Con 1557

Posted 7-7-2010

Astronauts on the International Space Station photographed this enormous, green ribbon shimmering below them May 29, 2010

Prayer request

From Gail:
"Please pray for my husbands brother he just was told he has cancer brain,liver,lungs,stomach,he got saved this last sunday which was the fourth.His name is Buster Mccormick they call him Buck.

"He served in the army 30 years won the purple heart over in Vietnam They are going to take a bioasp today of his lung to see how and what kind of cancer. Maybe this will make my husband get saved he needs the Lord too. ty so much Gail God bless all of u for praying."

My comments

My brothers, both career military men, are with the Lord now. The oldest was killed in a helicopter crash in Taiwan. The younger got cancer from agent orange that he was subjected to just one time in Vietnam. The doctor said it was treatable. In spite of desperate measures, including a week of radiation treatments shut away from other people, he could not be cured.

I'm glad the Rapture is near. That gives us all hope.


Ed is improving a little bit each day, but he still can't stand up by himself. He can sit up on the side of the bed alone for a bit if someone helps get him into that position. We think he had a stroke when he got weak before he ever got pneumonia, because in spite of being right handed, his right arm, hand and leg are much weaker than the left ones.

Ariel Sharon is our Methuselah, as in the days of Noah

Before he died, 108-year-old prominant Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri revealed the name of the Messiah, Yeshua, and said that the Rapture would be soon after Sharon died. He is currently in a permanent vegetative state after having a stroke on January 4, 2006. Sharon is worse, now has double pneumonia and brain function has deteriorated. The Rapture must be close.
"Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah"
Israel Today, April 30, 2007

Incoming e-mail, Re: Bruce Warner (6 July 2010)
"TO: Marilyn Agee RE: An answer from Bruce warner"

Hi Marilyn, Consider this:
"And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but FOR THE ELECT'S SAKE those days SHALL BE SHORTENED."

It can mean that "those days shall be shortened" FOR ONLY "the elect" who are the tribulation saints, but the rest of the unbelieving world will continue to have great tribulation until the end of the 42 month second half of the 70th Week of Daniel. Remember that Satan, after being cast down onto the earth at the mid-point of the 70th Week of Daniel, gets a full 42 months of authority on earth until the Second Coming of the Lord to end his reign.

Come Lord Jesus! YBIC, Bruce Warner

My reply

> > Satan, after being cast down onto the earth at the mid-point of the 70th Week of Daniel, gets a full 42 months of authority on earth until the Second Coming of the Lord to end his reign.

i doubt it. Scripture is plain.

In Mt 24:22, Jesus said, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but FOR THE ELECT'S SAKE THOSE DAYS SHALL BE SHORTENED."

The "days shall be shortened." That's for sure. What days? the 1260-day last half of the Tribulation. Why? "for the elect's sake". Otherwise no flesh would be saved.

Dan 8:17 says,"Understand, O son of man: for AT THE TIME OF THE END SHALL BE THE VISION."

Dan 8:11-14 tells us how much those days are shortened. This is so certain, it tells the story as if it has already happened. "Yea, he (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away (when he sat in the Temple showing himself that he was God Mid-Trib), and the place of his (Satan's) sanctuary (the asteroid Wormwood, Rev. 8:11) was cast down (it is set on its collision course with the Earth). And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, HOW LONG shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (first half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib on), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot (during the last half of the Tribulation)? And he said unto me, Unto TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED DAYS; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Satan's asteroid will impact Earth.
Thus, the first half of the Tribulation will be 1260 days and the last half will be shortened to 1040 days.
Dan 8:26 says, "And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for IT SHALL BE FOR MANY DAYS." Agape

On the 4th, we watched two DVDs a friend ordered for us from JR Church's Prophecy in the News

They are about finding the two Arks, Noah's Ark and the Ark of the Covenant. It sounds like the real petrified wood from Noah's Ark has been found. They found DNA of animals from every continent, butterfly wings, tiger and lion hairs, etc. While up there, they saw a black bird with orange stripes all over it and butterflies they had never seen before. The oldest grape vines in the world come from that area, and Noah planted grapes after leaving the Ark. The oldest horses are from that region too.

One thing that is so convincing is that the "s" on "mountains of Ararat" fits perfectly. Gen 8:4 (KJV) says, "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat."

Another thing fits perfectly. They traveled "from the east" to the land of Shinar (Babylon). Gen 11:2 says, "And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there."

We are being taught a good lesson. The Bible is very carefully worded, so we must pay attention to what it says. From the east does not mean they traveled eastward. They traveled west.

Personally, I think the real Noah's Ark has been found by by Dr. Bob Cornuke's team. The recent melting of the world's glaciers and snow were probably God's doing to uncover the Ark. The guide said that it was the first time they could see it in more than 50 years. He had seen it 50 years ago. The earthquake that killed 64,000 people in Iran in 2000 caused the petrified wood with pitch in the seams to fall` 2000 feet. The pile of petrified wood is about 400 feet long. One timber was neatly sawed at a 90-degree angle. There are fossilized clams and lots os sea shells in the area. There are sea anemones, and barnacles attached to the petrified wood.

Re: the Ark of the Covenant. It seems that the wood of the Ark has not survived, but the gold parts have, and the stone tablets with the 10 commandments have. Here's an astonishing thing. Where the Lord's finger touched the stone, it is supposed to have turned to precious stones. Wouldn't you love to see that? No one could duplicate that.

I think the Ark of the Covenant probably has been found by Arch Bonnema. He has not seen it, but the guardian of the Ark told him about it. That the wood rotted away and left the gold makes sense.

I do not think Bonnema found the breastplate of the high priest. It was made of fabric. What Arch Bonnema called the breastplate was made out of nickel and silver.

Ex. 28:4 says, "And these are the GARMENTS which they shall make; A BREASTPLATE, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle".

Ex 28:15-21 says, "And thou shalt MAKE THE BREASTPLATE OF JUDGMENT WITH CUNNING WORK; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and OF FINE TWINED LINEN, SHALT THOU MAKE IT. Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof. And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row. And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond. And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst. And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings. And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel".

Evidently the Masons use a metal breastplate. That is not Biblical, as the following writer admits.

By H. Meij H.P.

"The breastplate was clearly designed with the idea that the names of the twelve tribes engraved on the stones should be brought before God "as a continual memorial," and that Aaron should "bear them upon his heart, when he went into the most holy place." (Exodus xxviii. 12, 29). WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BREASTPLATE AS WE USE IN OUR RITUAL, WE FIND IT TO BE MADE OF METAL with 12 gems. However, in reality, according to the Bible, the breastplate, or, as it is further named, the breastplate of judgment was, like the inner curtains of the Tabernacle, of "cunning work," which means that it was the work of a skilled weaver."

For pictures of the petrified wood of Noah's Ark, go to "Noah's Ark? For Real"

By Brannon S. Howse, June 16th, 2006, © Brannon S. Howse

How many times have you yawned at the claim "Noah's Ark has been discovered"? Right, you say, and Elvis has been sighted again, too. People who hoped to find the famous vessel and the legendary voice have been pretty much in the same boat (so to speak)-No proof. Until today.

Led by explorer, adventurer, and featured Worldview Weekend speaker Dr. Bob Cornuke, a fourteen man crew returned this week from Iran bearing stunning evidence they may have found the long-anticipated even coveted discovery of the remains of Noah's Ark. Bob's team consisted of a "Who's Who" of business, law, and ministry leaders including Barry Rand (former CEO of Avis), the author and Christian apologist Josh McDowell, Frank Turek (co-author with Norm Geisler of I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist), Boone Powell (former CEO of Baylor Medical Systems), and Arch Bonnema (president of Joshua Financial).

Now I can see clearly what Dr. Tabor meant when he said that there was a way that May 14, 1948 could have been Pentecost

"Apparently the Hillel rabbinic algorithmic calendar incorrectly inserts an addition ADAR II at the year 5708 (1948) causing the calendar to drift to the Iyyar 5 for May 14th.
The correct date should be Sivan 6 not Iyyar 5."

World's Largest Digital Camera to Watch for Killer Asteroids

My reply to an incoming email, omitted because of the length

Jack Kelley said,
> > The fig tree is one of the last trees to bud in the spring, so when it begins to get leaves people know that summer is right around the corner. There’ll be no more false starts, no more cold snaps. Summer is now certain and soon. Jesus used this analogy to tell people who’ll be on Earth at the time that when they see the things he described beginning in Matt. 24:15, they’ll know that His coming is really near....
> > But when they see the Abomination of Desolation, a man standing in the Temple telling people he’s God, things will begin to get serious fast and the countdown will begin on the most terrifying period of time in the history of man. This is what He compared to the fig tree getting leaves. When they see that, they know that His return is certain and soon. That’s the lesson of the Fig Tree.

The abomination of desolation is Mid-Trib. The parable of the fig tree is given to answer the question in verse 3.

Mt 24:3 says, "And as he (Jesus) sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world (lit., consummation of the age)?

Mt 24:32-34 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel grafted into he old rootstock) is yet tender (apalos, young, no more than 19 years old, which Israel was in 1967), and putteth forth leaves (Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golen Heights and West Bank), ye know that summer is nigh (the Six-Day War was June 5-10, 1967): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (Jesus' coming and the end of the age) is near, even at the doors (symbol of the two Raptures, Rev. 3:8). Verily I say unto you, This generation (i.e., born in 1967) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

According to Mt. 1:17, a generation is 48.33 years. 1967 + 48.33 years = 2015.33 years. That fits the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, September 14, 2015. It looks like that day will be the end of this age, the day of the Last-Trump Rapture, the great and terrible Day of the Lord, and the Day of God's Wrath.

I'm hoping the First-Trump Rapture will be on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5771, Sept. 9, 2010.

> > When Jesus said “This generation will certainly not pass away” he was referring to the life time of one generation of people, saying in effect that all the End Times signs would be fulfilled within the lifetime of the people being born when they began. According to Psalm 90:10 and Isaiah 23:15 this means a 70 year period of time.

A lifetime is 70 years. A generation is 48.33 years. They are not the same. Agape

Post on Five Doves site: Re: Bruce Warner (2 July 2010) "ONE DATE' ON WHICH WE SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO AGREE"

Dear Doves,
Whether you believe there is a seven-year (84 month) tribulation or a three and one-half year (42 month) tribulation, we should all be able to agree that the LAST DAY of the tribulation is the DAY BEFORE the 'Second Coming' of our Lord Jesus! The 'Second Coming' of the Lord ENDS the tribulation, therefore if we can identify the particular Rosh Hashanah/Feast of Trumpets that the Lord will return we can count backwards to the beginning of the tribulation:

If the Lord's 'Second Coming' is on Rosh Hashanah/Feast of Trumpets September 21, 2017 then the tribulation begins 42 months earlier in the Spring of 2014 or 84 months earlier in the Fall of 2010. Whichever it is, the Lord will Rapture will His Church immediately "in a moment" prior to the beginning of the tribulation whether it is 42 months or 84 months prior to His 'Second Coming'. 1 Corinthians 15:52
"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptable, and we shall be changed."

It is for sure that the seven-year long '70th Week of Daniel' will begin 84 months prior to the 'Second Coming' of the Lord, therefore if the date of the 'Second Coming' is on Rosh Hashanah/Feast of Trumpets September 21, 2017 the '70th Week of Daniel' will begin this Fall on or soon after Rosh Hashanah/Feast of Trumpets September 9, 2010.

Hang-on, Doves, we are rounding third-base and heading for 'Home' Come Lord Jesus! YBIC, Bruce Warner

My reply

> > we should all be able to agree that the LAST DAY of the tribulation is the DAY BEFORE the 'Second Coming' of our Lord Jesus!

Not "all." I can't agree with that. Eze. 39:12,13 shows that there are 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 38:18-20) and the Second Advent. Israel will bury the bodies 7 months to cleanse the land so Jesus can return in glory.

Of the Day of God's Wrath, Eze 38:18-20 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely IN THAT DAY there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel (the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will hit the Mediterranean Sea); So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL TO THE GROUND." The cities of the nations will be in shambles from the worldwide earthquake.

Eze 39:11-13 says, "And it shall come to pass in that day (Day of God's Wrath), that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

I think the defeat of Gog's army will probably be on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015.

Exactly seven months later will be Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016), because 5776 is a leap year (it has the 13th month, Adar II). That seems to be the right time for the Second Advent on the first day of the Regnal Year, Sacred Year, and Jubilee Year.

To check if the latter is possible, a Jubilee Year must follow a Sabbatic Year. We have a match. 5775 is a Sabbatic Year.

If we go past that, it would be another 7 years. 5782 also is a leap year.

> > It is for sure that the seven-year long '70th Week of Daniel' will begin 84 months prior to the 'Second Coming' of the Lord

Aren't you forgetting that the Great Tribulation will be shortened or no flesh would be saved?

Mt. 24:20-22 says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

It sounds like the Earth might suffer another mass extinction if those days were not shortened. To me, it seems that the two asteroid pieces of Rev. 8:8-11 will come in from the north at noon and hit Earth at an oblique angle, knocking the globe upside down. This will cause JESUS' LONG DAY, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type. The Earth will be jarred out of its normal location somewhat, but the spinning globe will right itself and keep on orbiting the Sun.

Isa 24:19-21,23 says, "The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly (Heb. mot mot, be out of course). The earth shall REEL TO AND FRO like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and IT SHALL FALL, AND NOT RISE AGAIN. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth....Then the moon shall be confounded (chapher, CONFUSED), and the sun ashamed (Heb., bush, BE DELAYED, BE LONG, i.e., it will be JESUS' LONG DAY), when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously."

> > the '70th Week of Daniel' will begin this Fall on or soon after Rosh Hashanah/Feast of Trumpets September 9, 2010.
> > Hang-on, Doves, we are rounding third-base and heading for 'Home' !

On this we can agree. We are on the home stretch. I am hoping for the Rapture on Trumpets, Sept. 9, 2010. According to the fig tree parable, both Raptures, symbol doors as in Rev. 3:8, will take place within one generation. That is 48.33 years, according to Mt. 1:17. June 1967 plus 48.33 years ends at the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015.

The Body of Christ is made up of Jesus, the head, the Bride of Christ and the Tribulation saints. Jesus was conceived at Hanukkah and was born on the Feast of Trumpets. The Tribulation saints will be raptured on the Feast of Trumpets. Therefore, I think we will be raptured on the Feast of Trumpets too. We would all have the same birthstone, the sapphire, which as a birthstone means heaven.

Ezekiel saw visions of the heavens and of God. Eze 1:1 says, "Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that THE HEAVENS WERE OPENED, AND I SAW VISIONS OF GOD." Then he saw the only God/man sitting on his throne.

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space then the 4 terrestrial planets whose concentric orbits are like wheels within wheels, and one orbit is on the Earth, v. 15) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a MAN (THE ONLY GOD/MAN, JESUS CHRIST) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's ring system). As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD" (i.e., the Lord Jesus Christ).

According to Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, the word sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear.

It looks like Paul was caught up to Saturn, and if so, I think we will be caught up to Saturn. In II Cor. 12:2,3, he was caught up to the third heaven (i.e., Mars, Jupiter and Saturn).

According to Josephus, a Pharisee priest, the eastern lamp of the lampstand represented Saturn. The western lamp represented the Sun. That was why it was to be kept burning. The lamps stood for Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

Ever since Noah's Flood, Satan has been trying to twist the truth enough that mankind will not believe the truth. He made Saturn (STUR, 666) a false god, and the red-robed Nimrod represented him. Nimrod was the first Pontifex Maximus. It looks like the last Pontifex Maximus will carry on the 666. Agape

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