Pro and Con 1572

Posted 10-6-2010

Jupiter lost a stripe


By Marilyn Agee

The fall feasts are to be played out literally when all Israel is to be saved at the beginning of the Millenniam.



This fulfillment will start with judgment at the Feast of Trumpets, which will be the future Day of God's Wrath on Earth and the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven.


The fulfillment will continue with the Day of Atonement, when the people left on Earth will be accepted or rejected and the Jubilee Year will be announced.


The fall feasts will end with the Feast of Tabernacles, when the people on Earth will have to live in hastily constructed booths, because all walls will have fallen on the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 38:20).


These feasts also seem to suggest the necessary spiritual preparation of the Church for the literal Day of the Rapture (when the First Trump of God probably will sound on the anniversary of the great day of rain in Noah's day, Cheshvan 17, Oct. 25, 2010).

This makes it important for the Church to take the spiritual lessons taught by the fall feasts to heart, not to dismiss them as applying only to Israel, or to the Second Advent, which will be 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) after the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 38:18-20).

On the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1 (Sept 14, 2015), the first day of Christ's millennial rule, the last trump of God will sound, the last Rapture will take place, and the whole Church will be judged for rewards at the heavenly Judgment Seat of Christ while the Day of God's Wrath takes place on Earth.


The Jubilee Year will be announced on the following Day of Atonement (Sept 23, 2015).


On Nisan 1, seven months later (Eze. 39:12,13) in the Leap Year 5776, I expect Jesus to return to Earth in great glory on Nisan 1, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Years. At that time, the living will be judged at the Judgment of the Nations, "And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob" (Rom 11:26).


The heavenly New Jerusalem will come down and orbit the Earth like the Moon during the Millennium. Concerning the saints of the First Rapture, Rev 5:10 says, "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."


In Rev. 7:14,15, we read about the Tribulation saints caught up to heaven in the last Rapture, on Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015. "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. And serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."


1Jn 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Incoming e-mail, Re: Kevin Heckle: "Morning Star"

Marilyn, Below I’ve posted 2 Peter 1:19 wherein the Spirit speaks of the ‘day star’, metaphorically speaking of Christ ‘RISING’ in our hearts and certainly lights the way in the darkest time before dawn.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

f?sf???? (Strong’s G5459) day star-phosphorus as defined by the Thayer’s Lexicon as ‘light bringing, giving light; the planet Venus, the morning star, day star; metaphorically Christ

1 Corinthians 15:41 says that each celestial body has its own glory for “one star differeth from another star in glory”. Jesus distinctly says that he is the lampros or BRIGHT and ‘morning star’ meaning metaphorically brilliant, splendid or magnificent (G2986). Venus is the brightest of any object in the sky even at its dimmest crescent phase, surpassed only by the Sun (-26.74) and the Moon (-12.92) whereas Saturn (+1.47) is the dimmest visible planet in our solar system, at its brightest phase (-0.49). Saturn is outshined by Sirius, Canopus, Alpha-Centauri, Arcturus and Vega which are the top brightest stars beyond the Sun.

The faintest object visible during the day must exceed -4.00 apparent magnitude (negative number is higher) and Venus is the ONLY ‘day star’ that can exceed that at -4.67 apparent magnitude making it the only possible ‘day star’. It literally can be the ONLY ‘day star’ as metaphorically speaking of Jesus, the BRIGHT and Morning Star.

As for Jesus throne being Saturn, I find that a stretch. The sun, moon and stars were creations intended to signify time and as special signs not the literal throne of the Lord. This whole creation groans in travail, the heavens (1st and 2nd) waiting to pass away and become new. I know Paul’s being caught up to the third heaven has been debated here before. My take is that our atmosphere is the first ‘heavens’ the Bible speaks of; the second heaven is outside of our atmosphere and encompassing the whole of the Universe, all of which will pass away and become new; the ‘third’ heaven Paul is speaking of is that spiritual realm outside of our three-dimensional space and time. There may well be higher levels of heaven, as Enoch so indicates and Jesus also says that there are many dwelling places there.

My point about any ‘morning star’ as rising with the Sun, may well be visible before the sun rises. However, as a morning star delineates TIME (as God intended) and seasons, the point at which it is rising exactly with the Sun, is sort of like the second hand on a clock meeting with the minute hand. Marking morning appearances of heavenly objects with the sun has been used since the beginning. The seasons of the planets, stars and moon or combination can demarcate time specifically. An object that is visible at the zenith at midnight, was most likely rising at SUNDOWN in the east and will set at DAWN in the west.

Now if the Hebrew day starts at sundown (marking also the end of the day), darkness lasting 12 hours and daylight, 12 hours (more or less) an ‘evening and morning’. Dawn is the middle of one Hebrew day, the beginning of ‘morning’ which lasts 12 hours (John 11:9) until the end of the day, ‘evening’. Does this indicate that Jesus (the morning star) will come just before dawn, in the middle (morning) of that last day (tribulation time period)? I’m not trying to say that Jesus will come back at 6AM, 6:15AM, etc. as that would depend just where in the wide world you lived ;-)

Rolleston’s work the ‘Mazzaroth’ (ie. Gospel in the Stars) while fascinating, I’m afraid a lot of it is purely speculative and has very slim basis in Biblical text. Of course I’m speculating as well regarding Dan. 8, but it is hard to ignore specific descriptions matching eons old constellation identifiers. Are there lots of 2-horned beasts in the mythical sky? A few, but only one by the ‘river’ in the sky (Taurus) and only one with a notable single horn (Capricorn), also by the river just across the whole earth from the west, exactly where the narrative describes as Daniel ‘lift’s up his eyes’.

One astounding thing about Saturn, right around the time of Jesus’ birth (6 BC or 5 BC) is that it hovered very near the vernal equinox just between Aries and Pisces. The vernal equinox also passed into Pisces from Aries (because of precession) in similitude of the ages phasing from the old sacrificial system under the law to the age of grace where a few fishes fed multitudes by the hand of Jesus!

Saturn is a very important time-piece for sure. Interestingly, 70 orbits of Saturn (10,758.975 days per orbit) falls on the 1290th morning rising (583.92 day average synodic period) of Venus.

(1290 x 583.92)/10,758.975 = 70.01 orbits OR 2,062.00 Earth years.

Thanks for your response!
In Christ, Kevin Heckle

My reply

> > My take is that our atmosphere is the first ‘heavens’ the Bible speaks of; the second heaven is outside of our atmosphere and encompassing the whole of the Universe, all of which will pass away and become new; the ‘third’ heaven Paul is speaking of is that spiritual realm outside of our three-dimensional space and time.

My added note: In John 14:2-4, Jesus said, "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And WHITHER I GO YE KNOW, AND THE WAY YE KNOW."

Heaven is not "outside of our three-dimensional space". How do I know that? Jesus said, "WHITHER I GO YE KNOW, AND THE WAY YE KNOW."

In those days, the outer limit of planets they could see was Saturn. Today, we know the way to Saturn. Our space ship Cassini is orbiting Saturn right now. Here is a recent picture.

That is exactly how I outsmarted myself for many years. I went by that because a similar note was printed in my Bible. Every time I would think something sounded like Saturn, I'd say to myself, "Nah, that can't be."

Until the day I looked up the word sapphire in my Webster's Collegiate Dictionary. It said sapphire meant dear to the planet Saturn from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. I whispered to myself, "Then its true," as goosebumps like electricity ran all over my body for quite awhile.

Oh wow! then Eze 1:28 is talking about Saturn's rings. It says, "As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about."

In 1:1, Ezekiel said, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God. Where did he see God? The only possible place is in verse 26.

It says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a MAN above upon it." Then this "MAN" is the God/man Jesus Christ, the Redeemer (Isa. 44:6). And he is sitting on a sapphire throne that has brightness like the rainbow all around it.

Ex 24:10 also mentions sapphire. It says, "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone, and as it were the body of heaven (i.e., as if it were the heavenly body) in his (or its) clearness."

Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets in September. His birthstone is the sapphire, which means heaven. Saturn's symbol is an "h" for heaven. How many tips do we need?

The "God of Israel" sits on a sapphire throne and rests his feet on a sapphire pavement. Why? So the wise can understand where the throne of this God/man is located.

It is Paradise, the "third heaven" Paul was caught up to in II Cor. 12:2-4.

Josephus, a Pharisee priest, indicated that the 7 lamps on the lampstand stood for the Sun (the western lamp that was always to be kept burning), Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (Ant. III. VI. 7, on Whiston's page 73, and Wars V. V. 5, on page 555). From Earth, which lamp represented the third heaven? The Sun or Saturn? Venus isn't even in the running.

> > 2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts

The Analytical-Literal Translation (ALT) says, "And we have the prophetic word [made] more certain [or, confirmed], to which you* do well [to be] paying close attention to, as a lamp shining in a dark place, until [the] day dawns and a MORNING STAR arises in your hearts [fig., inner selves];

Strong's G5459 says, "phosphoros...light bearing ("phosphorus"), that is, (specifically) the morning star (figuratively): - day star."

Therefore, it too is specifically talking about Christ being the morning star.

> > Jesus distinctly says that he is the lampros or BRIGHT and ‘morning star’ meaning metaphorically brilliant, splendid or magnificent (G2986). Venus is the brightest of any object in the sky even at its dimmest crescent phase, surpassed only by the Sun (-26.74) and the Moon (-12.92) whereas Saturn (+1.47) is the dimmest visible planet in our solar system, at its brightest phase (-0.49).

However, over Jerusalem at dawn on Cheshvan 17, 5771, Saturn will be the only morning star. Saturn will still be UP ahead of the Sun, and Venus will still be SET, following the Sun.

> > Does this indicate that Jesus (the morning star) will come just before dawn, in the middle (morning) of that last day (tribulation time period)?

Not to me. Rev 22:16-17 is talking about his coming at the First-Trump Rapture of the church, not at Mid-Trib. It says, "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root (YHWH) and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come."

My grandson just rushed in to tell me to come see a magnificent rainbow. It was very thick and complete. We could see both ends. We were centered facing the fantastic thing. It looked like it was over the 215 freeway at March Air Reserve Base, about 5 miles from us, about where the tornado touched down awhile back. I could just barely pick out a second bow above that one. I wished I could see it more clearly. I could see it best with my sunglasses on and by shading my eyes with my hands. The sky was light underneath and dark above it. Thank you Lord for the sign of your covenant. In Jesus' name, Amen.

In Gen 9:13, the Lord said, "I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth."

About half an hour later, I went out for food and stopped at the grocery store on the way back. When I walked out of Ralph's at Troutwein and Alesandro, another similar rainbow was facing me, but it was much closer than the first one. It looked like it was just a little east of the shopping center. It was so gorgeous. The colors were much clearer because it was so close to me. I had no trouble seeing it clearly. I hated to get in the van and drive home. What a treat. What a beautiful sign. Thank you Lord. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Pre-Trib Rapture October 8, 2010

Many thanks Marilyn,
What is wonderful is the fact that someone else has also followed the trail so closely and independently also reached almost the same goal. Another sign of the lateness of the hour. I know that when the moment arrives it will have been exactly declared and been available all the time in the Scriptures. All that is required is the diligent and passionate searching of the believer. I still believe that an occurrence in Gaza seven days before the time will be the ultimate signal of the Rapture. (The reason being it was there that the first post Crucifixion rapture took place) Maranatha Regards

My reply

Pastor Riley subtracted that way too. Here is part of what he sent me:

"The Sabbath Years"
"...This past Thursday night, September 23rd, I was in a sound sleep when at precisely 3 a.m. I suddenly awakened. When I awoke the thought was burning in my brain…..I MUST go to the Day of Atonement in 2017, the very day the Trumpet [ram’s horn] announcing the beginning of the Great Jubilee is blown, and COUNT BACKWARDS from that day to determine how much time is left in this present dispensation BEFORE the Tribulation MUST begin. I already knew that there is a certain number of days stated in God’s Word for the length of the Tribulation period. I also KNOW that the Lord NEVER changes or violates His own inspired Word. Not for anyone, nor under any conditions! Therefore I knew that when I counted BACKWARDS from the sounding of the Jubilee Trumpet on the Day of Atonement in 2017, the exact number of days set forth in the Scriptures for the Tribulation period, it would reveal EXACTLY how many days are left in this present dispensation before the Tribulation MUST begin.
"When I got up Friday morning, September 24th, I immediately obeyed what I knew had to be the leadership of the Lord, counted the days, and then wrote out my study on The Great Jubilee and sent it out to all those on my email address list on Friday afternoon and Saturday, September 24th and 25th.
"I am relating this brief testimony because I have had several people email me asking why I even thought of COUNTING BACKWARDS from the beginning of the Jubilee in 2017, and why I am so certain my count is correct. Now you know WHY I thought of making the count. Give all the glory to the Lord! I most certainly do believe the Lord “woke me up” in the wee hours of the night with those thoughts on my mind. As to the certainty of my count, COUNT IT FOR YOURSELF just like I did. Folks, we are LITERALLY “running out of time” for the end of this present dispensation! We are indeed living in “the last days” of this dispensation, and “the coming of the Lord draweth nigh,” James 5:8. People can either repent of sin and call on the Lord for salvation, or they WILL be “left behind” when the rapture occurs. May God grant His mercy to every true “seeking soul” is my prayer....
"The Jubilee Year…….But then every fifty years there is another year inserted into the framework of the Jewish calendars. This special “Jubilee” year begins and ends on the Jewish Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, each 50th year when a cycle of 49 years or 7 Sabbath years have been completed...."

I don't know how Alison came up with 2017 for the Jubilee, but The Balfour Declaration was signed in 1917. 1917 + 50 = 1967 (Six-Day War), and 1967 + 50 = 2017. This fits into a prophecy given in 1217 by Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel.

Concerning the Rabbi's prophecy, Pastor Riley said,
"The Jubilee Year 1217……In perfect harmony with Acts 2:17, in the Jubilee year of 1217 the Jewish Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel prophesied that the Ottoman Turks would rule over the city of Jerusalem for eight Jubilees. Keep in mind that a Jubilee year only occurs every fifty years, so eight Jubilees would be 8 x 50 or 400 years. At the time Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel gave his prophecy it seemed preposterous, and many did not believe him. But 300 years later in 1517 [a Jubilee year], the Ottoman Turks conquered the city of Jerusalem and other parts of the Middle East and began their reign. They reigned from 1517 to 1917, exactly 400 years or eight Jubilees cycles. Hello!

"But that isn’t all…..Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel also prophesied that during the ninth Jubilee cycle, 1917 – 1967, Jerusalem would be a “no man’s land.” Significantly, this is exactly what happened. When the Ottoman Turks were driven out of the land of “Palestine” in the 1st World War in 1917, the land was then placed under British Mandate by the League of Nations. In other words, Great Britain became the “overseer” of the land, but not the owner. So in reality the holy land was indeed a “no man’s land.”

"The land remained under British Mandate until the British government turned the Mandate back to the United Nations in 1947. The United Nations immediately voted to partition the land of Palestine into two separate states, one for the Arabs and the other for the Jews. The Jews rejoiced over this decision, but the Arabs rejected it totally. The Arabs loudly let it be known that if Israel attempted to establish a nation, they would be attacked and destroyed by the combined armies of the Arab nations.

"Nevertheless on May 14, 1948, when the British governor in Tel Aviv lowered the British flag from the flag pole in front of the Hall of Justice, David Ben Gurion and his Jewish supporters stepped up to the flag pole and ran the FLAG OF ISRAEL up the pole and read a prepared statement declaring the NATION OF ISRAEL a reality. Glory to God! This fulfilled so many Old Testament Scriptures that I don’t have the time nor space in this study to list them all.

"The new nation of Israel was immediately attacked and forced to fight their “war of independence,” described in detail in Psalm 48. At that time there were about 350,000 Jews in all the land of Israel, yet they were able to defeat the combined armies of all the Arab nations that came against them. How great is the GOD OF ISRAEL! When their war of independence ended with an armistice being signed, the city of Jerusalem was divided between Israel and Jordan with Israel occupying the western half of the city and Jordan occupying the eastern half of it. Right through the heart of the city was a strip of land explicitly called “no man’s land.” Coincidence…?? Or the hand of God…??

"But the Jubilee cycle wasn’t complete. Jerusalem remained a divided city until 1967. In 1967 the whole world was astounded when Israel fought the now famous Six Day War with the Arab nations around them. In the Six Day War the Jews regained complete control of the city of Jerusalem. At the very end of the ninth Jubilee cycle, the beloved city of the Jews reverted to the Jewish people, exactly as the Rabbi had prophesied hundreds of years previously in 1217. Praise the Lord!

"But the Rabbi’s prophecies were still not complete. He had also prophesied that during the tenth Jubilee cycle the Messianic end-times would begin. The tenth Jubilee cycle began in 1967 and will end in 2017. Hello! Are our readers listening?"

I'm all ears, but long ago, I spent several years trying to determine whether the Jubilee cycle was a 49-year or a 50-year cycle. I finally understood why it had to be a 49-year cycle. That's the only way it could stay oriented with the Sabbatic Years.

If we count off several weeks of years, we can see how the Sabbatic Years line up; 7, 14, 21, 28, 35, 42, 49, 56, 63, 70. These cannot change. If a date divides by 7 equally, it is a Sabbatic Year. What happens if we add a Jubilee year into this string? It disturbs the whole thing. Just adding one Jubilee at 50, the next seventh year would be 57, when it has to be 56. That won't work. It would become worse as time went on.

Therefore, I figure the Jubilee differently. The Jubilee cycle is a constant 49-year cycle. The 50th year is also year 1 of the new cycle. This does not disturb the Sabbatical cycle.

Roughing it out using our years, I figure 1917 + 49 = 1966, a Sabbatic Year.
That makes 1967 a Jubilee Year.
1966 + 49 = 2015, a Sabbatic Year.
That makes 2016 a Jubilee Year.

Zoning in, I know the Hebrew year 5775 is a Sabbatic Year, because it divides by 7 equally, so 5776 could be a Jubilee year. I think the Jubilee will actually run from Nisan 1, 5776 to Nisan 1, 5777.

5776 is a Leap Year, so it has the 13th month. Therefore, there can be the necessary 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1, 5776, and the day of the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776, as in Eze. 39:12,13. This extra month is reflected in Dan 12:13, where 1290 days is mentioned instead of the expected 1260.

I know of one year that was a Jubilee, 28 AD (3788). Jesus stood up in the synagogue in Nazareth on Tishri 10, 3787 (near his birthday on Tishri 1) and read from Isa. 61. He ended up saying that this was fulfilled that day in their ears. 3787 was a Sabbatic year. It divides by 7 equally. We can be sure which years are Sabbatic Years, and they limit which years are possible for a Jubilee year.

5775 is Sabbatic. Therefore, the Jubilee can be announced on Tishri 10, 5776 and start 7 months later on the following Nisan 1, 5776. To me, that is the best choice for the Second Advent we have coming up.

The tetrad of eclipses of 2014 and 2015 fit right in too. Agape

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