Pro and Con 1575

Posted 10-20-10

Lightning seems to strike Statue of Liberty

This is the moment a lightning bolt appears to strike the Statue of Liberty in New York. New York photographer Jay Fine had spent the night braving the storm in Battery Park City, Manhattan, in a bid to get the perfect picture. Jay spent nearly two hours poised with his camera and took more than 80 shots before striking lucky with this particular bolt of lightning at 8.45pm on 22 September. He said he had been waiting 40 years to get the picture.


Oct 15, 2010 - Picture:

The Piton de la Fournaise volcano on Reunion Island in the western Indian Ocean erupted Thursday evening after several days of increased seismic activity, the island's government said. Note: Piton de la Fournaise means 'Mountain of the Furnace.' It has erupted about 170 times since the mid 17th century. La Reunion is a small island between Madagascar and Mauritius.



The 'wrath of God' is an 'act of God', whereas 'tribulation' is a 'period of time' during which there are troubles ie. tribulation is 'a time of trouble'. They are two distinct and different things. Tribulation is always with us on the earth, but the WRATH OF GOD is a one-time occurrence on the earth.

Scripture refers to a particular 'period of time' which is a 'time of trouble' "such as has not been since the beginning of the world until 'this time', no, nor ever shall be." This Scripture tells us that this particular 'time of trouble' is like no other so as not to be confused with any other 'time of trouble'. What makes this one particular 'time of trouble' different than all others before or after it?

It is because this one particular 'time of trouble', ie. tribulation, is the ONE DURING WHICH THE WRATH OF GOD IS POURED OUT UPON THE EARTH. So, Scripture describes this one, particular, single, 'time of trouble' as "GREAT TRIBULATION" because it is the ONLY ONE TIME that the WRATH OF GOD is upon the earth.

Matthew 24:15 & 21
"Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, standing in the holy place.......FOR THEN there will be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."

So you see, the Church is NOT saved from 'tribulation', but rather the Church IS SAVED from the WRATH OF GOD during the ONE AND ONLY 'time of trouble' called "great tribulation" which occurs when? After the "abomination of desolation" stands in the holy place: "FOR THEN THERE WILL BE GREAT TRIBULATION."

Come Lord Jesus, and save us from the wrath of God! Bruce Warner

My reply


To me, the Wrath of God is tribulation to an unprecedented degree. It only takes place on the last day of the shortened Great Tribulation, which is something less than the last 3.5 years of the 7-year Tribulation.

I take it that the asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 will come in at an oblique angle and set fires in Russia. Soon afterward, the mountain-sized piece will impact the Mediterranean Sea, and the other piece, a "star" (Gr. aster, star, meteorite or asteroid) named Wormwood (Satan's present home) will obliterate literal Babylon in the land of Shinar.

I reason that if the asteroid collided with Earth at a later time, it might score a direct hit that would split Earth into pieces, forming another Asteroid Belt. That happened once before in this Solar System. Satan's planet Rahab was split apart, forming the Asteroid Belt we now have between the first and second heavens, Mars and Jupiter.

To me, the Wrath of God is one literal day, but it is Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long DAY was a type. The reason it will be a long day is because the asteroid impacts will turn the Earth upside down for awhile.

Job 38:22,23 says, "hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against THE DAY of battle and war?"

Psa 27:5 For in the time of trouble (i.e., Day of God's Wrath) he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a ROCK (i.e., the third heaven, Saturn, Jesus' sapphire throne [Eze. 1:1,26-28], which the Holy of Holies cube represented).

The Holy Place was two cubes in length, representing the first two heavens, Mars and Jupiter. The length, width, and breadth of a cube is the same as for a globe that would fit in that cube.


Job 38:23 says, "hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, Which I have reserved against THE TIME OF TROUBLE, against THE DAY OF BATTLE AND WAR?

This battle is not Armageddon, which pits Christ's forces against Satan's forces. It is the Gog and Magog battle we read about in Eze. 38:18-20, where every wall falls in the worldwide earthquake caused by the two asteroid impacts of Rev. 8:8-11.

Dan 12:1 says, And at that time (when the False Prophet will be deposed) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." That is the Last-Trump Rapture (I Cor. 15:51f, Rev. 6:17; 7:14).

That time of trouble is the time of Jacob's trouble. Jer 30:7 says, "Alas! for that DAY is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."

I'm hoping for the First-Trump Rapture Cheshvan 17, 5771, Oct 25, 2010 and the Last-Trump Rapture on Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015. There will be a partial Solar Eclipse on Sept. 13. Joel 2:2 says, "A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army); THERE HATH NOT BEEN EVER THE LIKE (i.e., not at the first Rapture, just at the last Rapture), NEITHER SHALL BE ANY MORE AFTER IT, even to the years of many generations."

Zep 1:15 sums up Jesus' Long Day. It says, "That DAY is a DAY of wrath, a DAY of trouble and distress, a DAY of wasteness and desolation, a DAY of darkness and gloominess, a DAY of clouds and thick darkness". Agape

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: To Donna Danna: The Timing of the 7 Trumpets

The 7 trumpets will be blown on Jesus' Long Day.

> > could you please explain why you think that the 7 trumpets are all blown on the same day?

All those things are caused by the impacts of the two asteroid pieces (Rev. 8:8-11). The mountain-sized one will hit the Mediterranean Sea. The star (aster, star, meteorite or asteroid) named Wormwood (Satan's present home) will obliterate Babylon in the land of Shinar as it opens the Lake of Fire.

Isa 22:16-19 helps us understand what is going to happen quickly. It says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (the asteroid Wormwood, a piece of Satan's planet Rahab that split apart forming our Asteroid Belt)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."


These asteroid impacts will happen on one day. Rev 9:15 says, "And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men."

I think this hour will be noon. Amos 8:9 says, "And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at NOON, and I will darken the earth in the clear day." I think the day, month and year will be the Feast of Trumpets on Monday, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). According to my calculations, that will be the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath.


Notice in Rev. 8, an angel throws a censer full of fire (representing Satan's asteroid, Wormwood) into the Earth. Everything else is to explain that one symbolic act which happens as quickly as seven trumpeters can sound their trumpets in quick succession.

The asteroid Wormwood probably will split into two main pieces at the Roche Limit, 11,000 miles out. That would release a hail of rocks weighing about 100 pounds plus many smaller pieces that would also hit Earth.

Rev 8:1-13 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden CENSER; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5 And the angel took the CENSER, and filled it with fire of the altar, and CAST IT INTO THE EARTH: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an EARTHQUAKE (the worldwide earthquake of Eze. 39:20, Rev. 16:18,19). 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The FIRST angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the SECOND angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean Sea): and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10 And the THIRD angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 12 And the FOURTH angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. 13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!"

Rev 9:1-6 says, "And the FIFTH angel sounded, and I saw a star (i.e., Wormwood) fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him (Satan, who lives on Wormwood) was given the key (Wormwood) of the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit (forming the Lake of Fire); and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3 And there came out of the smoke locusts (i.e., demons) upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. 5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months (i.e., for the 5 months following the asteroid impact): and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."

Rev 9:13-15 says, "And the SIXTH angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for AN HOUR, and A DAY, and A MONTH, and A YEAR (i.e., Monday at noon, Tishri 1, 5776), for to slay the third part of men."

I think this Day of God's Wrath will be the first day of Christ's millennial rule. Like Solomon, he will purge his kingdom at the beginning.

Rev 11:15 says, "And the SEVENTH angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."


Joshua 10:9-14 says, "Joshua therefore came unto them suddenly, and went up from Gilgal all night. And the LORD discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah. And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN UPON THEM unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword. Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel."

On Jesus' Long Day, he will fight for Israel. Zec 14:1-3 says, "Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, AS WHEN HE FOUGHT IN THE DAY OF BATTLE."

> > How could the 6th trumpet be blown which comes right before the 2nd woe if the first woe, which takes place after the 5th trumpet blown, is not past until 5 months have gone by in which the locusts from the bottomless pit torment men who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads?

The 5 months follow the asteroid impacts. There will be 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent (Eze. 39:12,13). The trumpet judgments happen fast. By the end of 7 months, the 7 vials tell us what happens during that time. For instance, at first only a third of the creatures in the Mediterranean Sea die, but over 7 months all creatures die in that sea.

> > Also how did all the green grass that was burned up after trumpet 1 was blown in Rev. 8:7 return in the same day if the 7 trumpets are all blown on the same day because after trumpet 5 is sounded the locusts are released from the bottomless pit and told not to harm the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree according to Rev. 9:4? How can the locusts harm the grass if it doesn't exist because it all burned up, or how did it grow back on the same day?

Rev. 9:4 shows us how we should take Rev. 8:7,8. The latter says, "The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up." It doesn't mean all grass in the world, it means all grass in the area where the hail and fire fall. Agape


The Cassini spacecraft arrived at Saturn in 2004 and, as it continues to function well, is now expected to continue to send back data and images from the distant ringed world until 2017.

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: Jean Stepnoski (7 Oct 2010)
"The Final Sabbatical Cycle: 2010 to 2017"

> > If this is a leap year in the 19 year cycle and the Hillel calendar is off one month, as Alison Bowden believes it is, then according to the new moon declared at conjunction, The Feast of Trumpets is 10-7 to 8 and Yom Kippur is 10-16 to 17. On the Hillel calendar, 10-17 to 18 is Cheshvan 10. This day for the family Noah was The Day of The Separation. The door or gangplank was closed on the ark. The Bridegroom will close the door! He is also called The Door! Paul also called Yom Kippur The Day.

The Jubilee year is announced on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, but I think it starts on the following Nisan 1. No year starts on the 10th day of the 7th month. It starts on the 1st day of the 1st month.

5768 and 5775 are Sabbatic Years. They divide by 7 equally. This year, 5771, is a leap year, but it is not Sabbatic.

> > The final Sabbatical cycle before Jubilee in 2017 to 2018 is plausible for 2010 to 2017.

The Jubilee Cycle is a 49-year cycle. The 50th year is both the Jubilee and year 1 of the next cycle. Otherwise, the Jubilees would get out of sync with the Sabbatic Years. 49 years from the signing of the Balfour Declaration in 1917 was 1966. The Jubilee could have been 1967. 1966 + 49 = 2015. The Jubilee could be 2016.

I think the Second Advent will be Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016. That should be the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Record Solar Flares from NASA-SOHO

A powerful post here:
>>>I believe the solar flare of November 4, 2003 HAD to have been a warning, a "sign in the sun." It was exactly on Cheshvan 10, the day that God warned Noah that the flood would begin in seven days. Yesterday was Cheshvan 10, and now there is this "monstrous" (not my word!) filament on the sun, tied to a sun spot. Yesterday, it erupted - not huge, not earth-directed, but I wonder if it was a 7-day warning of other things to come?

>>>The date of October 25 has been written about here. It is possible that this may be another confirmation of that. It is also possible that, being a sign in the sun, that the November 4 flare was a warning of something in November, seven solar years later. I don't know. Just thought I'd pass this along in case someone found it interesting.
I have previously written (emails only) about this sign in the sun on Nov 4, 2003. I never tied it to Cheshvan 10 and Noah's warning of 7 days/years. This flare on Nov 4, 2003 was "off the charts". It was originally thought to be as much as an X-50, X-40 and they finally settled on an X-28, though they have no definitive way of even measuring the thing.

>>>MEGA-FLARE: Giant sunspot 486 unleashed yet another powerful solar flare today (Nov. 4th, 1950 UT), and this one could be historic. The blast saturated X-ray detectors onboard GOES satellites at X17.4 for 11 minutes. The last time such a thing happened in 2001 the flare was classified as an X20--the biggest ever. This one might be even bigger; stay tuned for updates. >>>Just as solar scientists were ready to start breathing normally again, active region 10486 blasted off yet another mega-flare, starting at 19:29 UT on 4 November 2003 [10 Cheshvan]. This one saturated the X-ray detectors on the NOAA's GOES satellites; the jury was therefore out for a while on the definitive classification of the flare. Based on the data found on the NOAA SEC's space weather pages (and links therein), speculations ranged from simply well above X20, to X40 or even X50!

A day later, word came from the SEC that their best estimate was X28, with a peak around 19:50 UT. Although the exact number will likely be debated for some time, it is now official: We have a new #1 X-ray flare for the record books.

Earlier flares from the same region are described on this Hot Shot page. Taken together with the breathtaking farewell of region 10486, the last two weeks will stand out for decades in the X-ray flare community.

Saturation of the GOES detectors also happened once earlier in SOHO's history, on 4 April 2001. That flare was reclassified as an X20.

A very preliminary estimate based on just 3 images of the associated CME came out at about 2300 km/second. Although part of the CME is directed towards Earth, we expect to receive only a glancing blow, since the source region is right on the limb of the Sun as seen from Earth.
4 April 2001 was 11 Nisan 2001 (11-7) . This was 11 years before 10 Nisan 2012, April 1-2 2012 (401 - Gen 1:1 - End of the Church Age - 10 Nisan 2012.

My reply

Thanks. I didn't realize that the "off the charts" solar flare of Nov. 4, 2003 was on Cheshvan 10. That could have been a 7-year warning.

I have noticed that a few people are confused about which date the Lord closed the door on Noah's Ark, the 10th or the 17th. It was Cheshvan 17. Noah started loading the food and animals on the Ark on the 10th.

Gen. 7:11-13 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark". Agape

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