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Incoming e-mail, Re: Greetings from Brazil
At first, I want to present my respects to your ministry, and my sincere desire and prayer, in Jesus powerfull Name, that you and your family will be with us for Rapture.
May God heal and give you rest, and strength.
My email has a simple insight to present to you.
Jesus said that as it was in days of Noah it would be in the days of the Son of Man.
So, when God called Noah, Bible tells us that The Lord REDUCED LIFE TIME TO 120 years (Gn 6:3).
If we observe, NO MAN who was born at that very day reached 120 years, since flood happen 100 years after that.
So, this man died at 100.
The other, who were older at that time, 200, 300, 400, died at the same day. But not at the age of 120.
Noah and his family were not subjected to that life time reduction, since they were protected by the ark.
And lived hundreds of years.
So, that reduction of life reached only Noahīs grandchildren, if I am correct.
My question is: Was God talking about other life reduction to 120 years?
Something connected to last days?
Since Israel is the clock counter for prophetic times, and all of us are counting days since world saw them back to their land.
We know this generation counting is pointing to 2017, the same if we count Jubilees, and so on...
So, I think that when Israel was called to be build/rebuild, it started 120 days of life time reduction pointed to last days too.
Zionist movement start with Theodore Herzl in 1897 as we find at wikipedia.
He is considered itīs father!
If so, we could have another sign pointing to 2017...
Sorry about my english, I wish I was clear.
Waiting for your comments,
May God bless you and your family...Brazil
Thanks for your kind words and prayers in our behalf. We are praying for the Lord to stop Ed's terrible itching. He has a staph skin infection.
You are clear enough, and thanks for the reminder about 1897 + 120 (as in the days of Noah) = 2017. That is an important point to keep in mind. Things just keep adding up. Agape
Incoming e-mail, Re: Article in "Prophetic Observer" January 2011 re: Hosea's prophetic significance
Just read an article in Noah Hutchings' Prophetic Observer entitled, "Will Jesus Come in 2011"? In it he discredits Harold Camping's assertion that the world will end on May 21, 2011. At the end of the article he talks about the book of Hosea and its prophetic significance. I'd never thought about Hosea being more than a type of God (Hosea) and an unfaithful Israel (Gomer), showing how Israel will, in the end, come back to God, as Gomer returned to her husband Hosea. But there's more to the story than that, according to this article.
First, remember what Peter wrote in II Peter 3:8 - "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousdand years, and a thousand years as one day." Second, read from Hosea 6:1-2, "Come, let us return to the LORD.
He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured usbut he will bind up our wounds. 2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence." Here's the quote from the article, "As prophesied by Jesus and the prophets, Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed. Subsequently, the Jews were sold on the slave markets and scattered into all the world, killed, tortured, and persecuted for two thousand years. Ussher (according to his famously published chronology) placed the crucifixion of Christ on the Day of Preparation, the day before Passover, A.D. 33. Due to an error in the Julian and Gregorian calendars, some place the crucifixion as early as A.D. 28. Jesus remained on earth for forty days after his Resurrection; therefore, He would have ascended to Heaven around May 10, A.D. 33 or in A.D. 28 according to the Gregorian calendar. If we go forward two prophetic days or two thousand years, we arrive around May 10, 2028, for His return, or according to Ussher's timetable, May 10, 2033." Curious to know what you think about this. Thank you for your faithfulness in always watching, as Jesus told us to do.
Thanks for your kind words.
I don't go along with Harold Camping's reasoning concerning the Earth and the Universe ending on October 21 this year. I think there will be no end to them, that the Lord will refresh them as necessary. I expect the Lord to refresh the Earth for the Millennium, much as he did in Genesis..
I see no compelling reason for the Rapture to be May 21 this year, but he just may have come pretty close. Ascension Day is May 29. To me, that seems like a good time for the Rapture. The Head of the Body of Christ ascended on that day, and we are part of the Body of Christ. Maybe we will ascend on that day too.
Our son David's birthday is April 6, the date of the Crucifixion in 30 AD. May 29 is our daughter's birthday. Maybe her birthday will turn out to be the date of the Rapture. Pentecost was on her birthday in 2009. Ascension Day will be on her birthday this year.
In Hosea 6:1-3, Israel is talking. The passage says, "Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days (2000 years) will he revive us: in the third day (3rd millennium) he will raise us up (fulfilled May 14, 1948), and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his (Christ's) going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."
Christ is the LORD of hosts (Isa 44:6). His two advents are as the former and latter rain in Israel. The former rain (1st Advent) arrives on Tishri 1. The latter rain (2nd Advent) arrives on Nisan 1, first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years. I think Jesus was born on Tishri 1 in 5 BC and will return on Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016).
> > Ussher (according to his famously published chronology) placed the crucifixion of Christ on the Day of Preparation, the day before Passover, A.D. 33. Due to an error in the Julian and Gregorian calendars, some place the crucifixion as early as A.D. 28. Jesus remained on earth for forty days after his Resurrection; therefore, He would have ascended to Heaven around May 10, A.D. 33 or in A.D. 28 according to the Gregorian calendar.
After extensive study, I think Jesus was born Tishri 1 in 5 BC, crucified on Thursday, preparation of the Passover, Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD (Julian).
> > If we go forward two prophetic days or two thousand years, we arrive around May 10, 2028, for His return, or according to Ussher's timetable, May 10, 2033."
I think that's too late. According to the fig tree parable in Mt 24:32-34, the generation born in 1967, when Israel grew leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, West Bank and Golan Heights), will not pass till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:32-34 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel); When his branch (modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, as she was in 1967), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, West Bank and Golan Heights), ye know that summer is nigh (the Six-Day War was June 5-10 and summer was June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the Kingdom of God, Luke 21:30) is near, even at the doors (symbol of 2 Raptures). Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
According to Mt. 1:17, a generation is 48.33 years. That takes us to Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept 14, 2015). That day seems to be the Day of God's Wrath. The Second Advent would follow on Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016) in 7 months (Eze 39:12,13). The 7 months shows that the year is a leap year, and 5776 is a leap year with the 13th month. The year 5775 is Sabbatic, so 5776 can be the Jubilee. Nisan 1 will be the first day in the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee year.
I was just reading Amos 8. It's interesting, describing what happens when the asteroid hits the Mediterranean Sea.
Amos 8:2-10 says, "And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit (i.e., it's the Feast of Trumpets, probably Sept 14, 2015). Then said the LORD unto me, THE END IS COME upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more. And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence. Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail, Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit? That we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes; yea, and sell the refuse of the wheat? The LORD hath sworn by the excellency of Jacob, Surely I will never forget any of their works. Shall not THE LAND TREMBLE for this, and every one mourn that dwelleth therein? and IT SHALL RISE UP WHOLLY AS A FLOOD; and it shall be cast out and DROWNED, AS BY THE FLOOD OF EGYPT (that sounds like a wall of water will scour the land). And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the SUN TO GO DOWN AT NOON, and I will darken the earth in the clear day: And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation". Agape
Incoming e-mail, Re: Hi
Why did you arbitrarily add 48 years to 1967 to come to 2015? Was it because you assumed 2008 as a starting date?
By the way I know when the Tribulation is with 99.999% certainty or 1 in 70,000,000 chance of being wrong,
Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets to Aug. 7, 2022 Tisha B'Av. Jesus steps down on Aug. 7. First rapture (according to readiness) is Sept. 14, 2015.
... I believe the last 3 feasts pertain to the return of Jesus while the first 4 feasts were about His first coming. The Feast of Trumpets is associated to the First Rapture according to readiness (Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10). There are 2,520 days from Sept. 14, 2015 (Feast of Trumpets) to Tisha B'Av, Aug. 7, 2022. Tisha B'Av is the day the Jews commemorate the destruction of the 1st and 2nd Temples. This is significant because Jesus returns to reign in the 3rd Temple....
> > Why did you arbitrarily add 48 years to 1967 to come to 2015? Was it because you assumed 2008 as a starting date?
No. I went by Scripture.
THE GENERATION BORN IN 1967 "SHALL NOT PASS, TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED"
Mt. 24:32-34 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting) is yet tender (apalos, young), and putteth forth leaves (Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and West Bank), ye know that summer is nigh (the Six-Day War started June 5; summer started June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the 'kingdom of God,' Luke 21:31, i.e., the Rapture) is near, even at the doors (door is a symbol of a Rapture, as in Rev. 3:8, and there are two Raptures). Verily (Amen, so be it) I say unto you, This generation (born in 1967) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
HOW LONG DOES "THIS GENERATION" BORN IN 1967 LAST?
Mt. 1:17 says, "So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations."
2008 AH = 2035 BC, Abram born when Terah was 130 (Gen 11:26-32; Gen 12:4; Acts 7:4).
DOUBLE CHECK: Terah was born in 1878 AH and lived to be 205. At his death, Abram left Haran, so he died in 2083 AH when Abram was 75. 2083 AH - 75 = 2008 AH, when Abram was born when Terah was 130. AH 2008 - 130 = 1878 AH, when Terah was born. Dr. Arnold D. Ehlert, head of BIOLA library when I began my studies in earnest, in his "Syllabus of Bible Chronology," said, "Up to this point there is perfect agreement in arriving at the date 2008 A.H. as the date of Abram's birth by Anstey, Panin and Ussher." 2008 AH is 2035 BC.
2035 BC (when Abraham was born) - 5 BC (when Jesus was born) = 2030 years
Divide 2030 years by 42 generations
One generation = 48.33 years
JUNE 7, 1967, PLUS ONE GENERATION, 48.33 YEARS
Iyar 28, 5727 (June 7, 1967) was Jerusalem Unification Day, the crowning achievement of the Six Day War, when Israel took the Temple area and they stood before the Wailing Wall that had once lined up with the back of the Temple where the Holy of Holies was located, between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque.
Iyar 28, 5727 (June 7, 1967) + 48 years and 4 months (Sivan, Tamuz, Av and Elul) = Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept 14, 2015) Feast of Trumpets, Day of the Last-Trump Rapture, Day of the Lord, Day of the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Day of God's Wrath
TO GET THE DATE OF THE SECOND ADVENT, ADD 7 MONTHS
EZE 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD."
Dan 12:11, reflecting the extra 30 days, says, "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days" (1260 + 30).
5776 is a Leap Year with a 13th month. Tishri 1, 5776 + 7 months = Nisan 1, 5776, probably the date of the Second Advent on the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years.
On your web site
(http://biblocality.com/forums/content.php?197-I-Do-Not-Know-How-to-Disprove-the-Tribulation-from-2015-to-2022), you said,
> > By the way I know when the Tribulation is with 99.999% certainty or 1 in 70,000,000 chance of being wrong,
> > Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets to Aug. 7, 2022 Tisha B'Av. Jesus steps down on Aug. 7. First rapture (according to readiness) is Sept. 14, 2015.
I think Sept 14, 2015 will be the date of the second Rapture, when the Tribulation saints and foolish virgins will be caught up. I'm hoping for the first Rapture, when the wise virgins are caught up, on Ascension Day, May 29, 2011. Jesus is the head of the Body of Christ. He was caught up on Ascension Day. It makes sense to me that the wise-virgin part of the Body of Christ would also be caught up on Ascension Day.
If not then, Pentecost (Sivan 6, 5771 = Wed, June 8, 2011). Both Ascension Day and Pentecost fit Song of Solomon 2:10f. The firstripe grapes come on in late May or early June.
Also, Micah 7:1 says, "Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage (i.e., the time ofthe 2nd Rapture on Tishri 1): there is no cluster to eat: MY SOUL DESIRED THE FIRSTRIPE FRUIT."
The firstripe grapes and firstripe figs come on in late May or early June. The firstripe figs are fewer in number, but better tasting than the figs that come on in the fall.
I expect Jesus to return on the first day of the Regnal Year (Nisan 1), the same day all the other Hebrew kings officially took office regardless of when they may have actually started their reign.
In Heaven, I think Jesus will be given his millennial kingdom on Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept 14, 2015) and come to Earth 7 months later (Eze. 39:12,13) on Nisan 1 (April 9, 2016).
The first day of the Regnal Year is also the first day of the Sacred Year and the Jubilee Year. The Jubilee Year is when all debts are forgiven and the Israelites are returned to their inheritance. I expect these things to start taking place on the first day of the Jubilee, Nisan 1, when Jesus returns, and continue until the 1335th day. On that day, Daniel will stand in his inherited plot of land in Israel (Dan 12:12,13).
> > The next Total Lunar Tetrad on feast days is 2014/15 (8th since Christ). There won't be another till 2582/83.
Thanks for that information. All I knew was that there wouldn't be another in this century.
> > the sixth Seal which contains these three events will occur shortly before the Tribulation starts.
The wise-virgin saints out of every country on Earth are singing the new song in Heaven in Rev. 5:9. They have just seen Christ given the seven-sealed book. The first seal is not broken until Rev 6. That places the seal events after the first Rapture.
Here is a view of us singing the NEW SONG in heaven, Psa 149:1-9 says, "Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG, and his praise in the CONGREGATION OF SAINTS. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD."
> > The sixth Seal precedes the First Rapture to "the throne" (Rev. 7.9) that is according to readiness (Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10) and is before the 7th Seal (8.1) which opens up the blowing of the 7 Trumpets of the Tribulation - Daniel's last "unit of seven" (Dan. 9.27). The first Trumpet is blown first (8.7ff) and the first 4 Trumpets are completed in the first 1260 days of the 2,520 days of the Tribulation.
To me, the Rapture at sixth seal is the second Rapture, the Rapture of the Tribulation saints described in Rev. 7. Those of the first Rapture are in Heaven singing the new song in Rev 5:9,10.
It says, "And they (the wise-virgin saints) sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."
The 144,000 Israelites that are part of the second Rapture are in Heaven singing the new song in Rev. 14:2-5.
It says, "And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."
There are ranks in the First Resurrection. 1Cor 15:22,23 (LITV) says, "for as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruit; afterward those of Christ at His coming."
> > There are 2,520 days from Sept. 14, 2015 (Feast of Trumpets) to Tisha B'Av, Aug. 7, 2022.
Don't forget that the Great Tribulation is to be shortened. Also, Sunday, 7 August 2022 = 10th of Av, 5782. That year, 5782 is a Sabbatic Year. I think the year of the Second Advent will be a Jubilee Year. They have to follow Sabbatic Years.
> > (Matt. 24.32-33). The fig tree always represents Israel which began putting forth its leaves in 1948 even earlier. When this occurs Jesus' return is very near!
Israel fought to just stay there in 1948. In 1967, she grew 4 leaves, Sinai, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights.
> > the first 4 Trumpets are completed in the first 1260 days of the 2,520 days of the Tribulation.
I think all 7 trumpets are sounded in one day, The Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015, the Day of God's Wrath.
> > In the first Seal the work of the cross is revealed as shown by the image of a bow but the arrow has been shot giving Satan a deadly wound by the cross when Jesus died
The "bow" is not like a bow and arrow. The Greek word for bow is toxon. It means simple fabric. It is used there to show that the first beast of Rev. 13 is a man of the cloth, a religious leader such as the Pope.
> > 3986 BC to 2015 AD is exactly 6000 years or 120 Jubilees.
The Jubilee Cycle is 49 years. The 50th year is also year one of the next cycle.
> > The 30 days from the 1260th to the 1290th day are for Jesus to judge the nations.
I think the extra 30 days is to show us that the final year is a leap year with the 13th month.
> > the Tribulation-Daniel's final seven years-should begin on the Tetrad in 2015
I think the Day of God's Wrath will be on Sept 14, 2015. Agape
His reply, Re: I know when the Tribulation is with 99.999% certainty
You sound confused. Nothing you said overturns the 1 in 9.4 billion probability I could be wrong the Tribulation is from Sept. 14, 2015 for 2520 days to Aug. 7, 2022.
Plus you have untold number of mistakes in your thinking such as the first resurrection. The first resurrection is the "out-resurrection" or "out-of" all the raptures and resurrections in which the 5 wise virgins get to return with Christ to reign in the marriage feast of 1000 years.
You can't handle all that I have to tell you about your mistaken thinking, so I will leave it at that for now.
You think the Tribulation will start on Sept 14, 2015. I think it will end that day.
I got an email from a man in Brazil reminding me that the "Zionist movement start with Theodore Herzl in 1897." That does seem significant, because Gen 6:3 says, "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."
In those days, the great Flood wiped out all but 8 people. Noah's family was saved by being lifted up to the heavens in the Ark during the Flood. In modern times, the asteroid will hit the Mediterranean Sea, causing a great tsunami to wipe out many wicked people, but a great multitude that no man can number, plus the 144,000 Israelites, will be saved by being airlifted to Heaven before the sun goes down at noon on that terrible Day of God's Wrath.
Is it possible that in 1897, man had only 120 more years to the Year of Jubilee that will begin the Millennium?
Noah Troyer, born in 1831, was an Amish minister who became very sick in 1878. He had 19 periods of unconsciousness, during which he would stand and prophesy, saying basically that God was giving man 120 years to repent before destruction hit. Friends and family witnessed this and a newspaper reported it.
It looks like our 120-year end times actually began when the first Zionist Congress convened on Aug. 29, 1897 in Basle, Switzerland. 1897 + 120 = 2017.
My expected scenario fits between 1897 and 2017. In 1917, the Balfour Declaration was signed that gave the Jews the right to return to Palestine. If I remember right, that was Dec. 11. On Dec. 9, Gen. Allenby took Jerusalem.
Fifty years later, in 1967, the Jews took the Temple Mount in the Six-Day War. Fifty years after that is 2017. Things sure seem to be planned for that 120-year time slot.
I think the Day of God's Wrath will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Monday, Sept. 14, 2015). Then there will be another 7 months (Eze 39:12,13) to the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776 (Saturday, April 9, 2016). Jesus said he was Lord of the Sabbath. That sure would fit the Second Advent on the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Year that will run from Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016) to Nisan 1, 5777 (Tue, March 28, 2017).
5776 is a leap year, so there are 7 months between Tishri 1, when Gog's army will be destroyed and the worldwide earthquake will take place (Eze. 38:18-29; 39:4), and Nisan 1, when Christ returns with his saints. That agrees with Eze. 39:12,13. It says, "And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent on Nisan 1), saith the Lord GOD."
JESUS'S LONG DAY
Zech 14:1-3 tells us more about the great and terrible Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath, and Jesus' Long Day. Gog's army will be attacking Israel. It says, "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I WILL GATHER ALL NATIONS AGAINST JERUSALEM TO BATTLE; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. THEN SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH, AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE NATIONS, AS WHEN HE FOUGHT IN THE DAY OF BATTLE."
This will be Jesus' Long Day, prefigured by Joshua's Long Day. I think the asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 will impact Earth at an oblique angle, causing the world to turn upside down. thus causing Jesus' Long Day.
Zech 14:1-3 tells us more about the great and terrible Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath, and Jesus' Long Day, because Gog's army will be attacking Israel. It says, "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I WILL GATHER ALL NATIONS AGAINST JERUSALEM TO BATTLE; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. THEN SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH, AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE NATIONS, AS WHEN HE FOUGHT IN THE DAY OF BATTLE."
This will be Jesus' Long Day. The asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 will impact Earth at an oblique angle, causing the world to turn upside down. thus causing Jesus' Long Day. Agape
Incoming e-mail, Re: SCRIPTURE REVEALS TO US WHEN 'THE RAPTURE' WILL TAKE PLACE
The reason that Christians are warned to 'get out and stay away' from Israel in (Luke 20:21) is because it is God's end-time plan to tribulate Israel (Luke 20:22-24) while 'His Church' is present on earth during Israel's tribulation. But then God alerts 'The Christian Church' that "when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads because your redemption (rapture) is near (Luke 21:28)."
Therefore, according to (Luke 21:28), 'The Church' will not be raptured until AFTER the tribulation of Israel which is AFTER "Jerusalem is trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled", but BEFORE the tribulation spreads to the rest of the whole world.
According to Luke 21:20-28, come Lord Jesus!
Then what do you think Luke 21:36 means? It says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
Then what are "ALL THESE THINGS" that we will escape?
I'll show you what Luke 21:20-36 means to me. The "wings of a great eagle" ties in with Ex 19:4. It says, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself."
"20 And when (MID-TRIB) ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then (MID-TRIB) let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains (Rev 12:6: 'the woman (BELIEVERS OF ISRAEL, Rev 12:17) fled into the wilderness (eremos, DESERT), where she hath a place (PETRA) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days' [THE LAST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION, Rev 12:14: 'And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place (PETRA), where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (3.5 YEARS), from the face of the serpent (SATAN)]; and let them which are in the midst of it (JERUSALEM) depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these (THE LATTER 1260 DAYS OF THE TRIBULATION, THE PART THAT WILL BE SHORTENED) be the DAYS OF VENGEANCE (ekdikesis, revenge, retribution, punishment), that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be GREAT DISTRESS in the land), and WRATH upon this people (ISRAEL).
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (AT THE END OF THE LATTER 1260 DAYS).
25 And there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon (THE ECLIPSE TETRADS, BLOOD MOONS), and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations (AS IN EGYPT LATELY), with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring (I.E., GREAT TSUNAMIS, LIKE ON DEC 26, 2004, IN THE INDIAN OCEAN AREA, WHERE AROUND 200,000 DIED);
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers (dunamis, FORCES) of heaven shall be shaken (AT THE END OF THE LATTER 1260 DAYS OF THE TRIBULATION).
27 And then (ON THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH; REV 6:17, PROBABLY TISHRI 1, 5776, SEPT 14, 2015) shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud (THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN SEEN IN THE SKY, NOT THE SECOND ADVENT, WHICH WILL BE 7 MONTHS AFTERWARD, EZE 39:12,13) with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass (AS THEY DID 7 YEARS AGO IN 2004), then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh (I'M HOPING FOR THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON ASCENSION DAY, MAY 29, 2011; 2004 + 7 = 2011).
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree (ISRAEL), and all the trees (NATIONS);
30 When they now shoot forth (proballo, PUT OUT LEAVES, SINAI, WEST BANK, GOLAN HEIGHTS AND GAZA STRIP, IN THE SIX-DAY WAR), ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand (THE SIX-DAY WAR BEGAN JUNE 5, SUMMER BEGAN JUNE 21).
31 So likewise ye, when ye see THESE THINGS COME TO PASS, know ye that the KINGDOM OF GOD is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation (BORN IN 1967) shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled (IYAR 28, 5727, JUNE 7, 1967 + ONE GENERATION, 48.33 YEARS = TISHRI 1, 5776, SEPT 14, 2015).
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day (DAY OF GOD'S WRATH) come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it (DAY OF GOD'S WRATH, PROBABLY TISHRI 1, 5776, SEPT 14, 2015) come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS THAT SHALL COME TO PASS, and to stand before the Son of man" (IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD).
Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise (egeiro, lift up, maybe in the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God (WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT), and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. "(1260 days).
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."
It seems to me that the First-Trump Rapture should take place soon, maybe Ascension Day, May 29, 2011.
Song 2:10-17 says, 10 "My beloved (i.e., Jesus) spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY.
11 For, lo, the winter is past (i.e., it is spring), the rain (latter rain of Nisan) is over and gone;
12 The flowers appear on the earth (April showers bring May flowers); the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land (they come in April and leave in October);
13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs (late May or early June), and the vines with the tender grape (late May or early June) give a good smell. ARISE, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY.
14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in THE SECRET places (this word is not in the original) OF THE STAIRS (like Jacob's ladder that reached from Earth to Heaven), let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.
15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes (late May or early June).
16 My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies.
17 Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains (plural) of Bether (separation)" i.e., there are two Raptures, one of the wise virgin Philadelphians in the spring (maybe Ascension Day, May 29, 2011), and one of the foolish virgin Laodiceans in the fall (probably the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015). Agape
Note: I just checked Your Sky. Saturn is now in Virgo and will still be in Virgo May 29, 2011. It will be in Virgo the rest of this year.
I sure hope you are right! I would prefer to be raptured earlier than later, but I will be surprised if we are. It is a good thing we do not have to be correct about our rapture date in order to go.
Always watching, YBIC
I appreciate your honest reply, hope you will be surprised, and thank the Lord that we don't have to be correct about the date to be caught up in the Rapture when the time comes.
I know the clues we need are in the Bible, because in Mark 13:23, Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS." That keeps me looking for clues.
Is "suffered a while" in 1 Peter 5:10,11 a clue? It says, "But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, AFTER THAT YE HAVE SUFFERED A WHILE, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen." The word translated suffered is pascho, to experience a sensation or impression (usually a painful one).
I wish I knew what Rev 2:10 means by "ye shall have tribulation ten days. Do you have any ideas on that? The verse says, "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION TEN DAYS: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."
I know that we can't add 1260 days and 1260 days and get the exact number of days in the Tribulation, as many do. That is an average. The latter half, the Great Tribulation is to be shortened. Even the first half may not be exactly 1260 days, because that is estimated time, 360 days to a year, 30 days to a month, 12 months to a year. Their months actually alternate between 29 and 30 days. Their years can have 353, 354, 355, 383, 384 or 385 days. Leap years have 13 months. Estimated time is easy to understand, because we still use 30-day months, 360-day years, and 12-month years for estimates, even though we are using the Gregorian Calendar instead of the Hebrew Calendar.
I know that the extra 30 days in Daniel 12:11 shows us that the year of God's Wrath is a leap year.
In Mt 24:20 Jesus said, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake THOSE DAYS SHALL BE SHORTENED."
Could that mean that we suffer a while in the Tribulation? The unrest in the middle east sure makes it seem like we are already in the Tribulation.
Our financial situation makes me think we are in the Tribulation too, and it is not getting better. Both of us getting sent to the hospital with pneumonia was such a setback, we can't get back on our feet.
Problem with that: if we are in the Tribulation, why haven't we heard that Moses and Elijah have come back?
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