Pro and Con 1596

Posted 3-24-2011

I had no idea aurora borealis could look like this


Incoming e-mail, Re: 'The month of 'Nisan' in the 'Year of Jubilee'

I am with you in most of your scenario, but it seems to me that 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 are describing the same rapture event rather than two separate raptures. How do you see it otherwise? It will be fine with me if Jesus chooses to have two separate raptures of the saints, but I just don't see it yet. YBIC

My reply

> > it seems to me that 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 are describing the same rapture event rather than two separate raptures. How do you see it otherwise?

To me, two Raptures are easy to see. The scriptures are clear. One is for the Philadelphians for which the Lord had no words of condemnation. The other is for the Laodiceans whom he spits out of his mouth at the first Rapture. Along with the Laodiceans, the second group includes 144,000 Israelites and a great number of Tribulation saints which cannot be counted (Rev 7:1-14).

In I Cor 15:51,52 "we (all the saints, including Paul, one of the 24 elders seen in Heaven after the first Rapture, Rev. 4:4) shall ALL be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP".

1Cor 15:51-53 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound (salpizo, sound a blast, i.e., sound one blast), and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

If I Cor 15:52 is the "LAST TRUMP", when is the FIRST TRUMP? There can't be a LAST without a FIRST. Otherwise, it wouldn't be last. The LAST TRUMP has to sound after the FIRST TRUMP has already sounded.

1Th 4:16,17 tells us when the FIRST TRUMP will sound - at the first Rapture. It says,"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I Cor 15:53 says, "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." This isn't mentioned in I Thess 4:16,17.

The whole Body of Christ, which has two legs, has to put on incorruption. The Philadelphians put it on at the first Rapture. The Laodiceans put it on at the last Rapture. Then, when the whole Body of Christ is complete, all are made immortal in the twinkling of an eye.

God teaches by using types. This type is in Num 10:1-4. It says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest USE THEM FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY (the General Assembly of Heb 12:23), AND FOR THE JOURNEYING OF THE CAMPS (as at the two Raptures).3 And when they shall blow with them (plural, i.e., both), ALL the assembly (representing the General Assembly of Heb 12:23) shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET, then the princes (i.e., elders), which are heads of the thousands of ISRAEL, shall gather themselves unto thee."

When do the elders of Israel appear in Heaven? when trumpet number one is sounded at the first Rapture.

Rev. 4:1-4 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a DOOR (symbol of a Rapture, Rev. 3:8) was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of A TRUMPET talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER (Rapture one), and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter (after the first Rapture). 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (Christ, the God/man) sat on the throne (the sapphire throne of Eze 1:26). 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the first and the last, Rev 22:13): and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, and Jesus is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty ELDERS (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) sitting, CLOTHED IN WHITE RAIMENT; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

The elders are the Representatives of the Philadelphians, and they all are clothed in white raiment. How do we know? The Lord didn't have one condemnation to mention about the Philadelphians. Therefore, all their sins were under the blood of Christ. Ones committed before accepting Christ are washed away when we accept Christ. Others after that must be confessed (I John 1:9).

Num 10:3 says, "And when they shall blow with them (plural, i.e., both), ALL the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee". This takes place at the last Rapture.

Rev 7:3-4 says, "Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Rev 7:9,14 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne (in Heaven), and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands...14 And he said to me,These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES, AND MADE THEM WHITE in the blood of the Lamb.

Now, all of the Body of Christ, including both legs, will be made immortal in the blink of an eye.

This group includes the Laodiceans. In Rev. 3:16-18, Jesus told them "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I WILL SPUE THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH (i.e., at the first Rapture).17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and NAKED: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold (symbol of DEITY, i.e., the Holy Spirit) tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and WHITE RAIMENT, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."

When does the LAST Rapture take place? Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come." They get out by the skin of their teeth in Rev. 7 before the wrath of God hits Earth in Rev. 8.

Heb 12:22-25 says, "ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven".

Why is the CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN mentioned at the GENERAL ASSEMBLY in Heaven? Because the General Assembly is at the time of the last Rapture. At that time, the Philadelphian saints are already in Heaven.

Mt 24:30,31 says, "And then (i.e., at the time of the last Rapture) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (they see the Sign of the Son of Man, Christ sitting on his throne). 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

These elect are the Philadelphian saints caught up in the first Rapture. At the same time that these are called to the General Assembly, the Laodicean saints, the 144,000 Israelites, and the other Tribulation saints are gathered to the General Assembly in Heaven.

Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, FROM THE UTTERMOST PART OF THE EARTH (i.e., gather the Last Trumpet saints, the Tribulation saints in the last Rapture) TO THE UTTERMOST PART OF HEAVEN" (i.e., gather the First Trumpet saints that were caught up to Heaven in the first Rapture).


There are two trumpets and two Raptures. When one trumpet sounds, the Philadelphian saints will be caught up to Heaven. When both trumpets sound, the Laodicean saints will be caught up to Heaven along with the 144,000 Israelites and a great number of other Tribulation saints.The Philadelphian saints will be called to the General Assembly in Heaven at the same time the Rapture of the Tribulation saints takes place.

Both trumpets sound the last time, because both groups are called to the General Assembly in Heaven, one group from Heaven, the other from Earth.

At the General Assemby on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, Christ will be crowned. There will be silence in Heaven and on Earth while he is being seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ. God's Wrath will hit Earth by land and by sea, and the dead will lay around the world.

Amos 8:3 says, "And the songs of the temple (on the Feast of Trumpets) shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence."

Hab 2:20 says, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the EARTH keep silence before him."

Rev 8:1 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in HEAVEN about the space of half an hour."

Rev 11:18,19 says, "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

In the Ark of the Covenant are 2 stones. They represent the 2 asteroids that will hit Earth that day, because the commandments have not been kept. The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will hit the Mediterranean Sea. Damascus will cease to be a city. Gog's army will be decimated in Israel. The asteroid Wormwood of Rev 8:11, Satan's home, will obliterate Babylon on the Euphrates. Mountains will be shaken down into the valleys. Islands will disappear. Every wall will fall (Eze 38:18-20). The Lord will have to renovate Earth again to make it a fit habitat for man during the Millennium.

This is the verse I saw a rectangle of light on. Jer 50:2 says, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel (Babylonian Baal) is confounded, Merodach (Babylonian idol) is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

After Satan's asteroid obliterates Babylon, it will never be rebuilt. Agape

His reply, Re: PS

I agree that the 'second rapture' will be for the 144,000 only, but i think the 'foolish virgins' have the same fate as the 'Laodiceans' ie. they must survive their 'testing on earth' during the wrath of God.

My reply

I think the foolish virgins are the same as the Laodiceans wearing spotted robes. The foolish virgins don't have enough oil of the Holy Spirit to make it out of here at the first Rapture. Neither do the Laodiceans. But at the last Rapture, all believers will be caught up to Heaven.

The scriptures are clear. Believers are "saved from wrath," and the wrath of God abideth on unbelievers.

Even those that fear Jesus' name will caught up in the last Rapture just before the wrath of God hits Earth. Rev 11:18 says,"And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD UNTO thy servants the prophets, and to THE SAINTS, AND THEM THAT FEAR THY NAME, SMALL AND GREAT; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

John 3:36 says, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM."

Rom 5:9 says, "being now justified by his blood, we shall be SAVED FROM WRATH through him." 1Th 1:10 says, "And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which DELIVERED US FROM THE WRATH TO COME."

1Th 5:9 says, "For God HATH NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ".

The only way a believer could possibly receive the wrath of God would be for him to take the Mark of the Beast. Rev 14:9.10 says, "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the WRATH OF GOD, which is poured out without mixture". Agape

His reply and my interspersed comments

> > But, God tells the Laodiceans that He will rebuke and DISCIPLINE them.
> > Rev 3:19
> > "Those whom I love I rebuke and DISCIPLINE."

Rev 3:19 (KJV) says, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten (paideuo, to educate by means of discipline): be zealous therefore, and repent."

Repent is the biggie. They should use I John 1:9. It says, "If we confess our sins (known sins), he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, AND to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (unknown sins).

When we accept Christ as our own personal Saviour, all old sins are wiped off the slate. Any sins committed afterward need to be confessed to bring them under the blood of Christ. If we are to have fellowship with our Holy God, we must not walk in darkness (i.e., with unconfessed sin qwenching the Holy Spirit in us), because He walks in the light.

Here's more of that passage. 1Jn 1:5-9 says, "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness (i.e., no sin) at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness (sin), we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light (no sin), as he is in the light (no sin), we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

> > He tells them that HIS DISCIPLINE is that they will have to BUY FROM HIM GOLD REFINED IN THE FIRE.

> > Rev 3:18
> > "I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich."

> > What do the Laodiceans have to pay God with that He will accept as the purchase price for the "gold refined in the fire" other than their mortal life?

Gold is a symbol of Deity. During the Tribulation, they will need to confess their sins and be filled with the Holy Spirit. Then they will be wearing unspotted white robes.

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

> > I believe that the "gold" spoken of here is the 'sanctification' which the wise virgins posessed as lamp oil and the foolish virgins did not possess.

The gold does equal the lamp oil. Both represent the Holy Spirit. The foolish virgins just do not have enough of the oil of the Holy Spirit to go in the first Rapture. Their lamps are lit, but sputtering and threatening to go out.

> > Notice also that the "gold" which the Laodiceans must "buy" from God comes out of the "fire" with which it is "refined". Is this the 'fire' of God's wrath?

No. It is the Tribulation, but not God's wrath. That is reserved for unbelievers only. The Tribulation saints are in Heaven in Rev 7:14 before the seven trumpets are given to the 7 angels in Rev. 8.

> > It doesn't sound like the Laodiceans will be raptured prior to rebuke and discipline from God.

I agree. They will have to be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture, where the Philadelphians, for whom the Lord had no condemnation, will be caught up in the First-Trump Rapture. The Philadelphians (i.e., the wise virgins) have the open door set before them in Rev 3:8. The Laodiceans (i.e., the foolish virgins) do not have an open door set before them at the time of the first Rapture.

Mt 25:10 says, "And while they (the foolish virgins) went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were READY went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut."

Luk 12:46 says of the unwise servant, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Mt 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (the Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Mt 22:11-14 says, "And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness (i.e., outside the door darkness); there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN."

At the time of the Rapture, those with Christ, the Lamb of God, will be called, and chosen and faithful."

Rev. 17:14 says, "he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

Like the wise virgins, we must be ready. Agape


Luke 21:28
"When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is DRAWING NEAR."

Read for yourself what "these things" are that "take place" before our redemption draws near in Luke 21:10-27 which includes "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles UNTIL the times of the Gentiles ARE FULFILLED", and "There will be SIGNS in the sun, moon and stars."

I believe that "the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled", and the "signs" are the four 'blood-moon' eclipses and the 'total solar' eclipse scheduled for the 2014 & 2015 Feasts of the Lord.

Luke 21:27-28
"AT THAT TIME they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with great glory."

According to Your Word in Luke 21:10-28, come Lord Jesus!

My reply

> > "There will be SIGNS in the sun, moon and stars."
> > I believe that "the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled", and the "signs" are the four 'blood-moon' eclipses and the 'total solar' eclipse scheduled for the 2014 & 2015 Feasts of the Lord.

It's interesting that you brought up the tetrad of eclipses of 2014 and 2015. I believe those are definitely signs of the end of the age. That won't happen again for the rest of the century.


The tetrad of Total Lunar eclipses of 2014 and 2015 are all on Feast Days. That must have taken some doing, and the Lord planned it before Adam was created.

2014 Apr 15 Total (Nisan 16, 5774) FIRSTFRUITS
2014 Oct 8 Total (Tishri 15, 5775) TABERNACLES
2015 Apr 4 Total (Nisan 15, 5775) UNLEAVENED BREAD
2015 Sep 28 Total (Tishri 15, 5776) TABERNACLES

Mark Biltz, who found this tetrad, says that these were on Passover and Tabernacles. Some people do lump the spring feasts together and call them Passover. It is Passover season.

To make that more interesting, there will also be four solar eclipses in 2014 and 2015, all on the 29th of the Jewish month. Remember that both the Sun and Moon are involved in a solar eclipse. It is the dark Moon that gets between Earth and Sun that shuts out the light of the Sun.

Apr 29, 2014 Total: (Nisan 29, 5774)
Oct 23, 2014 Partial: (Tishri 29, 5775)
Mar 20, 2015 Total: (Adar 29, 5775), EVE OF NISAN 1, FIRST DAY OF SACRED YR

That is all so outstanding, it might make us miss another sign. Here is some food for thought.

We had three partial Solar eclipses on Av 1.

August 1, 2008, Av 1, partial
July 22, 2009, Av 1, partial
July 11, 2010, Av 1, partial

What event could have been pre-shadowed by these three solar eclipses on Av 1? This may seem far-fetched, but could they be signs to fulfill Luke 21? signs leading up to the First-Trump Rapture in 2011?

Luke 21:25-28 says, "And there shall be signs in the Sun (maybe the huge CMEs and Solar eclipses), and in the Moon (Lunar eclipses), and in the stars (Comet Elenin will come closest to Earth Sept 10, 2011); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring (i.e., the tsunamis as in Japan); 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (apolutrosis, deliverance, i.e., Rapture) draweth nigh."

I take that deliverance to be the Rapture because Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE (ekpheugo, flee out from) all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

I'm sure hoping for the Rapture on Nisan 2, 5771, April 6, 2011, the anniversary of the Crucifixion. To me, that would be a great day for the Rapture of the Bride of Christ. It is also our son David's birthday.

Christ may come on Nisan 1, but the Rapture could take place at daybreak on Nisan 2, April 6, 2011, the anniversary of the Crucifixion on April 6, 30 AD.


De 11:14 says, "I will give you the rain of your land IN HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain (Tishri 1, First Advent) and the latter rain" (Nisan 1, Second Advent).

Jer 5:24 says, "Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, IN HIS SEASON".

Isa 28:4-6 speaks of the "HASTY FRUIT BEFORE THE SUMMER; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up. IN THAT DAY shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people, And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate."

James 5:7 says, "Be patient therefore, brethren (believers), unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive THE EARLY (Tishri 1) and LATTER RAIN" (Nisan 1).


Hosea 6:3 says that the Lord will come as the morning (i.e., daybreak) and as the former (yoreh, first rain, i.e., Tishri 1) and latter rain (Nisan 1). It says, "Then shall we KNOW, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared AS THE MORNING (shachar, daybreak); and he (the dayspring from on high, Luke 1:78) shall come unto us AS THE RAIN, AS THE LATTER (malqosh, last rain) AND FORMER (yoreh, first) RAIN unto the earth."

The winter rains start on Tishri 1 and end on Nisan 1. A few days ago, I thought the Rapture would be on Nisan 1, April 5, 2011. However, today, I see that Song of Solomon 2:11's "RAIN IS OVER AND GONE" suggests Nisan 2, which falls on Wednesday, April 6 this year, the anniversary of the Crucifixion on April 6, 30 AD. That sounds like something the Lord would plan to do.

The Marriage of the Lamb has to be on the first day of Christ's millennial rule. I think that is the day of the Last-Trump Rapture, the great and terrible Day of the Lord and the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 5776, Monday, Sept 14, 2015.

Of the first day of Christ's millennial reign, Rev 19:6,7 says, "And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent REIGNETH. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for THE MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB IS COME, and his wife hath made herself ready."


1. First Advent: Tishri 1, 3756, Sept 4, 5 BC. The sign of Rev 12:1 was in the sky that night. Virgo was clothed with the Sun and the Moon was at her feet.
2. Second Rapture: Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015


1. Second Advent: Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016, first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years.
2. First Rapture: To me, it looks like the Lord will come on Tue., Nisan 1, 5771, Tue., April 5, 2011, and take the Bride of Christ home at day break on Wed., Nisan 2, April 6, the anniversary of the Crucifixion.

Pastor Oliver Thomas gave me the last clue I needed to be able to see where the Rapture fits best. Until now, I didn't know about the Olynthos figs, the early figs of spring.


Song of Solomon (Canticles) 2:10-17 says, "My beloved (Christ) spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain (of Nisan 1) is OVER AND GONE (i.e., it's Nisan 2, April 6, 2011, anniversary of the Crucifixion); The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come (it's spring), and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove, which arrives in Israel in APRIL and leaves in October) is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her GREEN FIGS (Olynthos figs IN APRIL), and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell (i.e., the grapes are blossoming and setting fruit). ARISE, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY (IN THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE). O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., in Christ, our rock; 1Cor 10:4), in THE SECRET places (omit the italicized 'places,' it isn't in the Hebrew) OF THE STAIRS, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes. My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies. UNTIL THE DAY BREAK, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains (plural) of Bether" (separation, i.e., there are two Raptures).


When the rain of Nisan 1 is "over and gone", it looks like the Lord will pick us up at day break on Nisan 2, the anniversary of the Crucifixion, April 6, 2011.

Micah 7:1,2 says, "Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage (i.e., after Tishri 1, time of the 2nd Rapture, has passed): there is no cluster to eat: my soul desired the firstripe fruit (i.e., in the spring). The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men". They were all caught up on Nisan 1 in the 1st Rapture or on Tishri 1 in the 2nd Rapture.

Hag 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple (Jesus) was laid (i.e., was conceived), consider it (lit. take it to heart). Is the seed yet in the barn? (a saying meaning is she pregnant) yea (YES, Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24), as yet the vine (Christ), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate, and the olive tree (with Gentiles grafted in), hath not brought forth: from this day (Kislev 24) will I bless you."

In John 4:35, Jesus said, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest."

The four months could be Teveth, Shevat, Adar 1 and Adar 2, because this is a leap year. The next day is Nisan 1. The trumpet was to be blown on all feast days and on the first day of each month. So the trumpet will sound on Nisan 1. Then it looks like we will be caught up to Heaven at the following daybreak. Agape

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