Pro and Con 1605

Posted 5-7-2011


By Terrence Aym, Oct 5, 2010

Something impossible has happened. Yet the “impossible” has been proven to be true. Laboratories around the globe have confirmed that the rate of radioactive decay—once thought to be a constant and a bedrock of science—is no longer a constant. Something being emitted from the sun is interacting with matter in strange and unknown ways with the startling potential to dramatically change the nature of the very Earth itself.

Exactly what has scientists so on edge is the fact that the natural rate of decay of atomic particles has always been predictable. Indeed, using the decay rate of Carbon-14 has been a method to date archeological artifacts. The process, known as carbon dating, measures the quantity of Carbon-14 within organic objects. According to the numbers, Carbon-14 has a specific half-life of 5,730 years....

Rate of decay speeding up

Worst of all, if the decay rates of matter are being mutated then all matter on Earth is being affected including the matter that makes up life.

The mutation may go so far as to change the underlying reality of the quantum universe—and by extrapolation-the nature of life, the principles of physics, perhaps even the uniform flow of time.

... time itself may be speeding up and there’s no way to stop it.


Edited by Robert D. Morningstar

Researchers discover H2O is widespread INSIDE and OUT The MOON...Similar to Earth

Researchers at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville are once again turning what scientists thought they knew about the moon on its head.

Last fall, researchers, including Larry Taylor, a distinguished professor in the Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences, discovered "lunar dew" on the moon's surface -- absorbed "water" in the uppermost layers of lunar soil.

This discovery of water debunked beliefs held since the return of the first Apollo rocks that the moon was bone-dry....

Therefore, the scientists made their novel discovery by examining a lunar basalt brought back from the 1971 Apollo 14 mission.

Using secondary ion mass spectrometry at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, Calif., scientists determined volatile elements in a calcium phosphate mineral are very similar in the same mineral found on Earth.

The scientists said this provides "robust evidence for the presence of water in the interior of the moon from where some lunar rocks were derived....

It is generally believed that the moon was created when the early Earth was hit by a Mars-sized proto-planet called Theia, melting and vaporizing itself and a large chunk of the Earth.

The cloud of particles created by the impact later congealed to form the moon, which supposedly was devoid of highly volatile elements such as hydrogen and chlorine. However, the researchers' discovery of these volatiles challenges this theory.

"If water in the Moon was residue, water kept during the giant impact, it is surprising that water survived the impact at all because less volatile elements, such as sodium and potassium, are strongly depleted.

My comment

It is not necessary for water to have gone from Earth to Moon in the original impact. In the outer atmosphere, the Earth is hit by small water comets every day. The same thing could easily happen to our Moon.

"Fire, and hail; snow, and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling His word." Ps 148:8

The US has just had the worst tornadoes In 5 southern states in the last 40 years. Obama shouldn't snub Israel or try to force them to divide the land by September.

Fatah and Hamas unite

"Israel calls Palestinian deal a 'fatal mistake'"
By Catrina Stewart, Jerusalem 29 Apr 2011 Israeli President Shimon Peres yesterday described a long-awaited reconciliation deal between two Palestinian factions as a "fatal mistake" that will destroy any hopes of establishing an independent Palestinian state.
More: Palestinian Unity Deal Announced
By Stephen Lendman, 4-29-11

Incoming email

Thank you for answering my question as to whether the wheat group will be considered bride. We note the beginning of the barley harvest, starting the fullness and completion of the harvest, as of The Feast of First Fruits. There must be the conclusion of the barley harvest. Various timelines give us April or May as approximate months for the ending of the barley harvest in Israel, long ago or now. As our Master says in The Book of Revelation, He is the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I am looking eagerly to each day ahead and to the date of Second Passover, at the 30 days into barley harvest marker. Like you, I am looking to the 40 day marker of the Feast of The Ascension. I sense these 30 days, and perhaps 40 days, are very significant this year concerning His Barley Resurrection Season. May each and all of us eagerly await The Joy of His Appearing!

As always, dear Marilyn, I appreciate your posts here with the Doves and at Prophecy Corner. You, Ed, and David are often in my blessings and prayers. I hope to see everyone soon! With Love and Shalom

My reply

Thanks much.

My reply to three incoming emails

In one email, you said,

Please don't paint yourself into a corner. We need to reason together. Two heads are better than one.

In another email, you said,
> > From 'the day' of the 'Spring Equinox' Sunday March 20, 2016 to (and including) the 'Feast of Trumpets' September 30, 2019 THERE ARE EXACTLY 1,290 DAYS. This satisfies requirement #1 precisely.
> > (1) From 'that day' "there will be 1,290 days" to the end of the '70th Week of Daniel'
> > (2) 'That day' will NOT be in "in winter".
> > (3) 'That day' will NOT be "on the Sabbath".

I think the 1290 days will end with the Second Advent in the spring, on Sunday Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016). That is neither in the winter nor on the Sabbath. Sunday is perfect for the Second Advent, because the Lord arose on Sunday. However, let's start at the beginning.

The 1290 days includes 30 days not accounted for in the 1260 + 1260 day, 7-year Tribulation. Why? I think it is because the final year has to be a Leap Year with the 13th month, Adar II.

At first, we can use the formula for the Tribulation, the 70th Week of Daniel, as 1260 + 1260 = 2520 days. Then, we have to take into consideration that the last half of the Tribulation is to be shortened.

Mt 24:22 says, "And except those days (i.e., the last half of the Tribulation) should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Now that I've roughed it in, I think Dan 8:13,14 tells us exactly how many literal days the shortened Tribulation will last.

It says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (i.e., the institution of which could take place the day before Mid-Trib), and the transgression of desolation (when the False Prophet sits in the temple as if he is God Mid-Trib, 2 Thess 2:4), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot (during the last half of the Tribulation)? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then (probably on Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015) shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

I think we are meant to glean from this that the whole shortened Tribulation will last 2300 days, 1260 for the first half and 1040 for the last half, the shortened Great Tribulation.

Figuring this way, the 2300-day Tribulation would have started on Sivan 6, Pentecost, May 29, 2009. Because a block of days is figured by Inclusive Reckoning, Mid-Trib would be Nov 8/9, 2012, and the Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath, would be on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015. That would be the day the 2 asteroids of Rev 8:8-11 impact Earth. One hits the Mediterranean Sea. The other obliterates Babylon on the Euphrates.

On the following Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5776, Sept 23, 2015, the coming Jubilee Year would be announced. It would start 7 months later on the following Nisan 1, 5776 (Sunday, April 9, 2016) the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Years.

In Daniel 12:11-13, the 1290 days is estimated time, but just as the 2300 days in Dan 8:13,14 are actual time, the 1335 days are actual time.

I think Daniel will stand in his own plot of land in Israel on the 1335th day after Nov 8/9, 2012 (Mid-Trib) i.e., Tue July 5/6, 2016. By inclusive reckoning, where the first day is counted as day number one, this would be Mon July 4/5, 2016.

The year 2012 is when the Satan-indwelt False Prophet, the 2nd son of perdition (Judas Iscariot was the 1st), will come to power. This event seems enough reason not to continue the Mayan Calendar beyond December 21, 2012. Satan marked a year special to him. This shows that he knew how much time he had to try to win the Angelic Conflict.

We know that the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17 is before the coming of the False Prophet, and that the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 is on the Day of God's Wrath (Rev 6:17; 7:14).

Of the great and terrible Day of the Lord, Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME."

Joel 3:14-17 says, "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the DAY OF THE LORD is near in the valley of decision. 15 THE SUN AND THE MOON SHALL BE DARKENED (6th seal, Rev 6:12), and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH SHALL SHAKE (Eze 38:18-20): but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. 17 So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more....17 For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

No one, the earthquake is worldwide, every wall will fall (Eze 38:20). The cities will all be in shambles. Jerusalem and Babylon are mentioned in Rev 16:17-19.

It says, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath." Babylon will be obliterated, probably causing the creation of the Lake of Fire.

2Th 2:1-8 (Geneva Bible) says, "Nowe we beseech you, brethren (saints), by the comming of our Lord Iesus Christ, and by our (the saint's) assembling vnto him (at the First-Trump Rapture), 2 That ye be not suddenly mooued from your minde, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by worde, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ (older MSS say 'day of the Lord,' i.e., day of the Last-Trump Rapture on the Day of the Lord that is also the Day of God's Wrath) were at hand. 3 Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day (Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a DEPARTING (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) FIRST, and that that man of sinne (the False Prophet) be disclosed (SECOND), euen the sonne of perdition, 4 Which is an aduersarie, and exalteth him selfe against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that HE DOETH SIT AS GOD IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHEWING HIM SELFE THAT HE IS GOD (Mid-Trib). 5 Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I tolde you these things? 6 And nowe ye knowe what (the Holy Spirit) withholdeth that he (the False Prophet) might be reueiled in his time (Mid-Trib). 7 For the mysterie of iniquitie doeth already worke: onely he (the Holy Spirit), which nowe withholdeth, shall let (Old English for prevent) till he be taken out of the way (at the First-Trump Rapture). 8 And then (after the First-Trump Rapture) shall that wicked man (the False Prophet) be reueiled, whome the Lorde shall consume with the Spirit of his mouth, and shall abolish with the brightnes of his comming".

The 1260 days, the time (1 year), times (2 years) and dividing of time (1/2 a year, or 3.5 years total), and the 1290 days are estimated time. Dan 7:25 says, "And he (i.e., the False Prophet) shall speak great words against the most High (Jesus, Isa 44:6), and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time (1 year) and times (2 years) and the dividing of time" (1/2 year, totaling 3.5 years).

Thus 3.5 years can be thought of as roughly equal to 1260 days of estimated time and 7 years as roughly equal to 2,520 days. We can think of a year as roughly having 360 days. Yet, we know in the back of our heads that the average length of a year is 365.2425 days. The 1260 days, the 1290 days, the 2520 days, and the 360-day year are estimated time, not the exact number of days between 2 points.

We work with estimated time yet today, counting a month as 30 days and a year as 360 days (12 x 30) in spite of our months that have 31 days and our years that have 365 days. We use estimated time to arrive at ballpark figures in a hurry. We can always refine it later if we need an exact figure.

In the Bible, the difference between the 1260-day period and the 1290-day period is 30 days, one estimated month. I think it is given to us to show us that the last year of the Tribulation will be a Hebrew Leap Year with the 13th month, Adar II. Actually, Adar II has 29 days, but we are estimating time, so we count it as 30.

If the last year of the Tribulation has to be a Leap Year, we are limited to 5774 (2013/2014), 5776 (2015/2016), or 5779 (2018/2019).

I think the last year of the Tribulation will be 5776 (2015/2016) for a couple of good reasons. We can tell that the final year should be a Jubilee Year, because Israel will be returned to their inherited plot of land on the 1335th day (Dan 12:12,13). A Jubilee year has to be preceeded by a Sabbatical Year. 5775 (2014/2015) is Sabbatic, so is 5782 (2021/2022), but that's too far in the future. Second, because 1967 (Six Day War) + 48.33 (1 generation, Mt 1:17) = 2015.33. That equals Tishri 1, 5776, the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath.

I think the extra 30 days (estimated time) means that there will be 7 months, rather than the usual 6, from Tishri 1, Sept 14, 2015 (Day of God's Wrath) to Saturday, Nisan 1, April 9, 2016 (Second Advent on the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Years).

> > (2) 'That day' will NOT be in "in winter".
> > (3) 'That day' will NOT be "on the Sabbath".

Jesus was talking to his disciples. They, and therefore all saints, are to pray that their flight (i.e., catching up, Rapture) will not be "in winter" or "on the Sabbath".

Mt 24:20-22 says, "But pray ye (saints) that your flight (phuge, ESCAPE, i.e., Rapture) be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day (Ascension Day, Iyar 25, 5771, is on Sunday in the spring): 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

In Mt 24:37, Jesus indicated that the Rapture will be as the days of Noah.

Gen 6:3 says, "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

That could apply to modern times. The first Zionist Congress met in 1897. 1897 + 120 yrs = 2017. This is the outer limit of the dates I am considering.

Another thing concerning Noah I might point out is that when Noah could not see the Sun, Moon and stars, he used estimated time. Gen 7:24 says, "the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days." 150 days divided by 30 = 5 months of estimated time).

Gen 8:4,5 changes AFTER Noah can see the Sun, Moon and stars. No longer using estimated time, it says, "And the ark rested in the SEVENTH MONTH, ON THE SEVENTEENTH DAY OF THE MONTH, upon the mountains of Ararat. 5 And the waters decreased continually until the TENTH MONTH: IN THE TENTH MONTH, ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH, were the tops of the mountains seen."

Please let me know what you think when you take all these things into consideration.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of Agape

A post on Five Doves site, Re: Marilyn Agee--your discourse on grain harvests and Rapture events"

Michael Colunga (29 April 2011) Marilyn, your recent post, on grain harvests and the two Raptures was very illuminating. Keep up the good work! In HaShem

My reply

Thanks. It sure is nice to be appreciated. Agape

Vision of Imminent Rapture - April 27, 2011 - Dr Owuor

Posted on Five Doves, Re: "Dr Owuor's upcoming Revival dates changed"

Raul D (2 May 2011)
correction to Owours upcoming meetings, dates have changed, as of May 1, 2011 these dates are missing in His website.

Hyderabad, India Revival
May 14-15, 2011
Uhuru Park Revival
May 27-29, 2011

The New first meeting is on

Lilongwe, Malawi Revival
May 20-22, 2011

My comment

Maybe he wants to be with his family on May 29.


I cannot find anywhere in Scripture that says the tribulation is any longer that 3 and 1/2 years in length. I think that 7-years is a mistaken theory. I do not equate the 'whole 70th Week' with the tribulation, just the second-half. The angel of the Lord in Daniel said that it is "time, times and half a time" ie. 3 1/2 years. YBIC

My reply

I do my best to take Scripture at its word. It usually explains itself. However, it is not safe to build a doctrine on one passage without comparing it to other scriptures that have a bearing on that same subject.

The 3 1/2 years for the last half of the 70th week of Daniel are estimated time. That segment is to be shortened.

Dan 12:1-12 says, And at that time (when the False Prophet will be deposed, see previous verse) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (Day of God's Wrath, end of last 3.5 years) thy people (the 144,000 Israelite tribulation saints) shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to THE TIME OF THE END: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. 5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, HOW LONG SHALL IT BE TO THE END of these wonders? 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half (3.5 year Great Tribulation, LAST HALF of 70th week of Daniel); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the HOLY PEOPLE, all these things shall be finished."

If the last half of the 70th week of Daniel will be 3.5 years, it stands to reason to think that the first half of that 70th week will be 3.5 years. There is no way the entire 70th week can be 3.5 years.

Dan 9:24 says, "Seventy weeks (shabua, sevens) are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

The first 7 weeks of years (49 years) came true in history. Therefore, the last week of years (7 years) will come true in history. Jesus will be anointed King of kings and Lord of lords at the end of these 7 years.

However, the last half will not end up being exactly 3.5 years long. Mt 24:22 says, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Dan 8:13,14 tells us how much it will be shortened. It says, "I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" (on the Day of God's Wrath, probably Sept 14, 2015).

If you subtract 2300 days (using inclusive reckoning because it is a block of time) from Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015, you will find out that the 2300 days could have started on Pentecost, May 29, 2009.

It looks like there are 1260 days of Tribulation near the end of which (Nov 8, 2012) they build the Temple and start sacrificing and then 1040 days of Great Tribulation when they can't sacrifice because the False Prophet will desecrate the Temple at the beginning of the 1040 days.

Mt 24:21,22 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

From date: Monday, September 14, 2015, Feast of Trumpets, probably Day of God's Wrath
Subtracted 1040 days

Resulting date: Thursday, November 8, 2012

Therefore, it looks like the False Prophet may desecrate the Temple about that time. Agape




The Prophet Daniel said: 'the man dressed in linen who was above the water' swore by Almighty God that the length of the tribulation would be for "a time, times and half a time". That means it will be 3 and 1/2 years long. We know that Jesus will return at His 'Second Coming', AFTER the great tribulation, on the Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1) to fulfill the 'Fall Feasts' just as he fulfilled the 'Spring Feasts'.

Therefore, the tribulation BEGINS 3 and 1/2 years BEFORE the 'Second Coming' of the Lord on the 'first day' of the '7th month' which is 'Tishri'. The '1st month' which is 'Nisan' is 3 1/2 years preceeding the '7th month' which is 'Tishri'.

Therefore, the 'great tribulation' can BEGIN ONLY in the 'first month' which is 'Nisan'.


Jeremiah 5:24
Hosea 6:3
"Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord. His going forth is established as the morning; HE WILL COME TO US LIKE THE RAIN, LIKE THE LATTER AND FORMER RAIN TO THE EARTH."

James 5:7-8
"Therefore be patient, brethern, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the PRECIOUS FRUIT OF THE EARTH, waiting patiently for it UNTIL IT RECEIVES THE EARLY AND LATTER RAIN. You also be patient. Establish your hearts, FOR THE COMING OF THE LORD IS AT HAND."

Joel 2:23

Therefore, the rapture will happen when Jesus, who is the 'latter rain' comes down for us in the 'first month' which is Nisan.
According to Your Word, Come Lord Jesus!

My reply

> > We know that Jesus will return at His 'Second Coming', AFTER the great tribulation, on the Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1) to fulfill the 'Fall Feasts' just as he fulfilled the 'Spring Feasts'.

I think the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1 seven months after the Day of God's Wrath (Eze 39:12,13). Daniel 12:11 tells us that there will be 1290 days to show us that there is an extra month in that period between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1. Therefore, that terminal year must be a leap year with the 13th month, Adar II. The year 5776 is a leap year. I think it will also be the Jubilee Year. The year 5775 is a Sabbatic Year, so the Jubilee can follow it. The Jubilee is announced on Tishri 10 and starts the following Nisan 1. That is the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Years.

Hos 6:2,3 says, "After two days (i.e., two thousand years) will he revive us (Israel): in the third day (i.e., in the 3rd thousand years) he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then (i.e., after May 14, 1948) shall we KNOW, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."

Jesus came as the former rain, Tishri 1, at the First Advent. He will come as the latter rain, Nisan 1, at the Second Advent.

Joel 2:23 says, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month." The former rain starts Tishri 1, and the latter rain starts Nisan 1.

Eze 29:17 sets the day. It says, "in the first month, in the first day of the month (Nisan 1), the word of the LORD came unto me". Verse 21 builds on that. It says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Jesus) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the WORD) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Jer 5:24 says, "Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, THAT GIVETH RAIN, BOTH THE FORMER AND THE LATTER, IN HIS SEASON: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest" (i.e., weeks of the barley harvest for the Philadelphians, and weeks of the wheat harvest for the Laodiceans). I think the barley will be harvested on Ascension Day, and the wheat will be harvested on the Feast of Trumpets. Then the tares will be burned for that day will also be the Day of God's Wrath.

It seems to me that the 2300-day Tribulation (Dan 8:13,14) began on Pentecost, May 29, 2009 and it will end Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015. I think the Second Advent will follow that Day of God's Wrath by 7 months. During that time, Israel will bury the dead (Eze 39:12,13) to cleanse the land so he can return in glory. Agape

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