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Posted 5-11-2011

What You Didn’t Know About the Popes of Rome

By Mark Owen, Toronto, Canada, Apr 6, 2005

"Since 1763 the august Almanach de Gotha has been the ultimate authority on the royal houses of Europe. Listed under ‘Reigning Sovereign Houses’ is the Holy See. Therein is stated, “…the incumbent of the HOLY SEE is considered by Christian sovereign families as the ‘FATHER OF THE FAMILY OF KINGS,’ [and] his Holiness represents the oldest monarchy on earth…

"The triple sovereignty of the Pope—Person, Holy See & Vatican City--is distinct in fact and in law. INTERNATIONALLY, HE IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY AUTHORITY ON EARTH."

"His Cardinals are considered to be Princes of the Church and peers of the sons of reigning monarchs. Each diocese is considered to be a royal fiefdom. The word ‘diocese’ originally signified an administrative unit devised by the Emperor Diocletian, a tyrant noted for his persecution of Christians....

..."the title ‘Vicar of Christ’ (it should be noted that the Latin equivalent of the Greek ‘anti’ is ‘vicarius,’ from whence is derived the word ‘vicar’).

"Rome carries on quietly with her program of world dominion. THEY LEAD THE COMPETITION TO ESTABLISH THE FIRST ONE-WORLD SYSTEM THAT HAS EVER EXISTED. Their ultimate goal is global religious syncretism, and to eventually wield control and authority over every individual on earth. The human solidarity goals of the Roman Church are identical to the goals and objectives of the United Nations. This is why they are such an perfect fit. Rome only gives the appearance of objecting to the UN agenda....


"In a 1993 letter to the Pope, Shimon Peres promised to internationalize Jerusalem, granting the UN political control of the Old City and the Vatican hegemony over the holy sites within. This was confirmed by the Italian newspaper La Stampa. IN MARCH 1995 THE ISRAELI RADIO STATION ARUTZ SHEVA WAS LEAKED A CABLE FROM THE ISRAELI EMBASSY IN ROME, CONFIRMING THE HAND OVER OF JERUSALEM TO THE VATICAN.


My comments

The False Prophet will probably be a Pope too, because VICARIUS (anti), FILII (son), DEI (God) EQUALS 666.

Rev 13:12 says, "And he exerciseth ALL THE POWER OF THE FIRST BEAST before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."
6-26-2009: "When a Jew and the Pope payed the Temple Mount a visit"

"When Ariel Sharon visited the Temple Mount in 2000, the Islamic movement started the second Intifada. When the Pope of Rome came on a visit in May 2009, Islam welcomed him as the "Vicar of Christ". A man of "peace", who promotes the NEW UNIVERSAL RELIGION OF ALL FAITHS LEADS TO THE SAME GOD."

3-15-2010: Antichrist will finally get and use East Jerusalem as his base

"When Zionist control over East Jerusalem is broken, the final antichrist will enter A NEW INTERNATIONAL ZONE AND THE TEMPLE MOUNT....

"The Temple Mount will be made into an International temple of all faiths, and the UN will establish an International peace center in East Jerusalem.

"This will be a compromise that both Jews and Arabs can live with, for the sake of peace.

"When East Jerusalem is handed over to the control of the Quartet, the stage is set for the entry of the last antichrist."


By Ellen Massey

...A chief administrator would lead the day-to-day operation of the Old City and would be an "experienced and internationally respected individual who is neither Israeli nor Palestinian".

The second tier of the regime would be a governance board that would appoint the chief administrator and to which the administrator would be accountable. The Old City board would be made up of senior representatives of both Israeli and Palestinian governments, as well as representatives of other countries as defined by the two parties.

The Initiative, largely funded by the Canadian government, has been working quietly on the margins of the debate over a Middle East peace plan for almost a decade. However, the latest proposal, and last week's event in Washington, could not have been more timely or central to the current state of the conflict....

It represents a building block in a peace process that is once again trying to establish a foundation....


“The Old City of Jerusalem will become a “special regime”. It will be an autonomous, self-governing entity. The Chief Administrator will have minimum reliance on the existing regimes and structures”....

The “peace makers” have formed an International work shop called “Jerusalem Old City Initiative”. This initiative is sponsored by the mainly protestant Christian republic of Canada.

9-23-2010: Ehud Olmert: “A special trust will take over the Temple Mount”

Speaking in Tel Aviv to a group called the Geneva Initiative, Olmert also said Sunday that he was prepared as prime minister to share Jerusalem’s holy sites with the “Palestinians”.

“Israel is one of them, the Palestinians are there, the Saudi Arabians, according to my offer, the Jordanians and the Americans. This is a trust fund of five countries.”


The PA In Ramallah told the US it is willing to give the Old City of Jerusalem to a proposed joint committee to administer the Temple Mount.

THE POPE IS LONGING TO SET UP HIS THRONE ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT, and gains support from Islam. These wicked men are in agreement.

THE BATTLE IS NOT FOR JUSTICE AND DEMOCRACY. THE BATTLE IS FOR THE CONTROL OF MOUNT ZION, the very site of the two Jewish temples in Jerusalem. The man who soon will sit there will be worshiped as God, the Father Jesus addressed as the “Holy Father“. BUT THE MAN ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT, WILL BE A FAKE, and a very powerful deceiver. Millions will worship this man of lawlessness.

My comments

When the First-Trump Rapture has just taken place, Rev 17:14 says, "he (the Lamb, Jesus) is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that ARE WITH HIM are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Of the time of that first Rapture, "Rev 17:10 says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen, and ONE IS, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."

These are the Empires these kings belong to:
1. Babel ("fallen")
2. Babylon II ("fallen")
3. Media-Persia ("fallen")
4. Greece ("fallen")
5. Holy Roman Empire ("fallen")
6. Ecclesiastical Roman Empire ("ONE IS")
7. Babylon III ("not yet come")

It won't be long. Rev 17:3 (LITV) says, "And he carried me away into a DESERT (Babylon, Iraq), by the Spirit. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, filled with names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

Rev 17:5 (LITV) says, "And on her forehead was a name having been written: Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Harlots and of the Abominations of the Earth."

At the time of the Rapture, Rev 17:12 (LITV) says, "And the ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive authority as kings one hour with the beast."

The world has already been divided into 10 regions. All that is lacking now is to appoint the 10 kings and the beast.


Edited by Robert D. Morningstar

Researchers discover H2O is widespread INSIDE and OUT The MOON...Similar to Earth

Researchers at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville are once again turning what scientists thought they knew about the moon on its head.

Last fall, researchers, including Larry Taylor, a distinguished professor in the Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences, discovered "lunar dew" on the moon's surface -- absorbed "water" in the uppermost layers of lunar soil.

This discovery of water debunked beliefs held since the return of the first Apollo rocks that the moon was bone-dry....

Therefore, the scientists made their novel discovery by examining a lunar basalt brought back from the 1971 Apollo 14 mission.

Using secondary ion mass spectrometry at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, Calif., scientists determined volatile elements in a calcium phosphate mineral are very similar in the same mineral found on Earth.

The scientists said this provides "robust evidence for the presence of water in the interior of the moon from where some lunar rocks were derived....

It is generally believed that the moon was created when the early Earth was hit by a Mars-sized proto-planet called Theia, melting and vaporizing itself and a large chunk of the Earth.

The cloud of particles created by the impact later congealed to form the moon, which supposedly was devoid of highly volatile elements such as hydrogen and chlorine. However, the researchers' discovery of these volatiles challenges this theory.

"If water in the Moon was residue, water kept during the giant impact, it is surprising that water survived the impact at all because less volatile elements, such as sodium and potassium, are strongly depleted.

My comments

It is not necessary for water to have gone from Earth to Moon in the original impact. In the outer atmosphere, the Earth is hit by small water comets every day. The same thing could easily happen to our Moon.

‘PA will get majority UN-recognition for Palestinian State

4-21-11 - Senior Fatah Central Committee member Nabil Shaath on Tuesday estimated that the Palestinian Authority will be able to gain recognition for a Palestinian state from two-thirds of United Nations member states before September 2011.

PA President Mahmoud Abbas was expected to travel to France on Wednesday to meet with French President Nicolas Sarkozy to discuss recognition of an independent Palestinian state....

Netanyahu acknowledged for the first time on Thursday that he will deliver a speech to a joint session of the US Congress at the end of May in which he will lay out the principles of his government’s diplomatic and security policies.

"Fire, and hail; snow, and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling His word." Ps 148:8

The US has just had the worst tornadoes In 5 southern states in the last 40 years. Obama shouldn't snub Israel or try to force them to divide the land by September.

My thought about the following: Is our Creator using the Sun to protect mankind from too high radiation? levels?

Terrifying scientific discovery: Strange emissions by sun are suddenly mutating matter

BY TERRENCE AYM, Oct 5, 2010 Something impossible has happened. Yet the “impossible” has been proven to be true. Laboratories around the globe have confirmed that the rate of radioactive decay—once thought to be a constant and a bedrock of science—is no longer a constant. Something being emitted from the sun is interacting with matter in strange and unknown ways with the startling potential to dramatically change the nature of the very Earth itself....

Is the Sun Emitting a Mystery Particle?

by Ian O'Neill, Aug 25, 2010

...Sturrock had a hunch that solar neutrinos might hold the key to this mystery.

Sure enough, the researchers noticed the decay rates vary repeatedly every 33 days -- a period of time that matches the rotational period of the core of the sun. The solar core is the source of solar neutrinos.

It may all sound rather circumstantial, but these threads of evidence appear to lead to a common source of the radioactive decay rate variation. But there's a huge problem with speculation that solar neutrinos could impact decay rates on Earth: neutrinos aren't supposed to work like that.

Neutrinos, born from the nuclear processes in the core of the sun, are ghostly particles. They can literally pass through the Earth unhindered as they so weakly interact. How could such a quantum welterweight have any measurable impact on radioactive samples in the lab?

In short, nobody knows.

If neutrinos are the culprits, it means we are falling terribly short of understanding the true nature of these subatomic particles. But if (and this is a big if) neutrinos aren't to blame, is the sun generating an as-yet-to-be- discovered particle?

The Sun Influences the Decay of Radioactive Elements
August 25th, 2010

In spite of being located no less than 93 million miles away from Earth, the Sun appears to be influencing the decay of radioactive elements inside research labs on the planet.

The conclusion belongs to a new investigation, which was carried out by experts at the Purdue University and the Stanford University.

The problem with the result is that the answer the team provides for this unexpected mystery appears to be raising other questions in return.

According to the physicists in the new research, it could even be that the Sun is exerting its influence on radioactive matter through an elementary particle that has never been detected before.

"For Marilyn Agee"

Thank you for answering my question as to whether the wheat group will be considered bride. We note the beginning of the barley harvest, starting the fullness and completion of the harvest, as of The Feast of First Fruits. There must be the conclusion of the barley harvest. Various timelines give us April or May as approximate months for the ending of the barley harvest in Israel, long ago or now. As our Master says in The Book of Revelation, He is the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I am looking eagerly to each day ahead and to the date of Second Passover, at the 30 days into barley harvest marker. Like you, I am looking to the 40 day marker of the Feast of The Ascension. I sense these 30 days, and perhaps 40 days, are very significant this year concerning His Barley Resurrection Season. May each and all of us eagerly await The Joy of His Appearing!

As always, dear Marilyn, I appreciate your posts here with the Doves and at Prophecy Corner. You, Ed, and David are often in my blessings and prayers. I hope to see everyone soon! With Love and Shalom

My reply

Thanks much. Agape and Shalom

My reply to three incoming emails from the same person

In one email, you said,

Please don't paint yourself into a corner. We need to reason together. Two heads are better than one.

In another email, you said,
> > From 'the day' of the 'Spring Equinox' Sunday March 20, 2016 to (and including) the 'Feast of Trumpets' September 30, 2019 THERE ARE EXACTLY 1,290 DAYS. This satisfies requirement #1 precisely.
> > (1) From 'that day' "there will be 1,290 days" to the end of the '70th Week of Daniel'
> > (2) 'That day' will NOT be in "in winter".
> > (3) 'That day' will NOT be "on the Sabbath".

I think the 1290 days will end with the Second Advent in the spring, on Sunday Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016). That is neither in the winter nor on the Sabbath. Sunday is perfect for the Second Advent, because the Lord arose on Sunday. However, let's start at the beginning.

The 1290 days includes 30 days not accounted for in the 1260 + 1260 day, 7-year Tribulation. Why? I think it is because the final year has to be a Leap Year with the 13th month, Adar II.

At first, we can use the formula for the Tribulation, the 70th Week of Daniel, as 1260 + 1260 = 2520 days. Then, we have to take into consideration that the last half of the Tribulation is to be shortened.

Mt 24:22 says, "And except those days (i.e., the last half of the Tribulation) should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Now that I've roughed it in, I think Dan 8:13,14 tells us exactly how many literal days the shortened Tribulation will last.

It says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (i.e., the institution of which could take place the day before Mid-Trib), and the transgression of desolation (when the False Prophet sits in the temple as if he is God Mid-Trib, 2 Thess 2:4), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot (during the last half of the Tribulation)? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then (probably on Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015) shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

I think we are meant to glean from this that the whole shortened Tribulation will last 2300 days, 1260 for the first half and 1040 for the last half, the shortened Great Tribulation.

Figuring this way, the 2300-day Tribulation would have started on Sivan 6, Pentecost, May 29, 2009. Because a block of days is figured by Inclusive Reckoning, Mid-Trib would be Nov 8/9, 2012, and the Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath, would be on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015. That would be the day the 2 asteroids of Rev 8:8-11 impact Earth. One hits the Mediterranean Sea. The other obliterates Babylon on the Euphrates.

On the following Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5776, Sept 23, 2015, the coming Jubilee Year would be announced. It would start 7 months later on the following Nisan 1, 5776 (Sunday, April 9, 2016) the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Years.

In Daniel 12:11-13, the 1290 days is estimated time, but just as the 2300 days in Dan 8:13,14 are actual time, the 1335 days are actual time.

I think Daniel will stand in his own plot of land in Israel on the 1335th day after Nov 8/9, 2012 (Mid-Trib) i.e., Tue July 5/6, 2016. By inclusive reckoning, where the first day is counted as day number one, this would be Mon July 4/5, 2016.

The year 2012 is when the Satan-indwelt False Prophet, the 2nd son of perdition (Judas Iscariot was the 1st), will come to power. This event seems enough reason not to continue the Mayan Calendar beyond December 21, 2012. Satan marked a year special to him. This shows that he knew how much time he had to try to win the Angelic Conflict.

We know that the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17 is before the coming of the False Prophet, and that the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 is on the Day of God's Wrath (Rev 6:17; 7:14).

Of the great and terrible Day of the Lord, Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME."

Joel 3:14-17 says, "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the DAY OF THE LORD is near in the valley of decision. 15 THE SUN AND THE MOON SHALL BE DARKENED (6th seal, Rev 6:12), and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH SHALL SHAKE (Eze 38:18-20): but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. 17 So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more....17 For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?" No one, the earthquake is worldwide, every wall will fall (Eze 38:20). The cities will all be in shambles. Jerusalem and Babylon are mentioned in Rev 16:17-19.

It says, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath." Babylon will be obliterated, probably causing the creation of the Lake of Fire.

2Th 2:1-8 (Geneva Bible) says, "Nowe we beseech you, brethren (saints), by the comming of our Lord Iesus Christ, and by our (the saint's) assembling vnto him (at the First-Trump Rapture), 2 That ye be not suddenly mooued from your minde, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by worde, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ (older MSS say 'day of the Lord,' i.e., day of the Last-Trump Rapture on the Day of the Lord that is also the Day of God's Wrath) were at hand. 3 Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day (Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a DEPARTING (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) FIRST, and that that man of sinne (the False Prophet) be disclosed (SECOND), euen the sonne of perdition, 4 Which is an aduersarie, and exalteth him selfe against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that HE DOETH SIT AS GOD IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHEWING HIM SELFE THAT HE IS GOD (Mid-Trib). 5 Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I tolde you these things? 6 And nowe ye knowe what (the Holy Spirit) withholdeth that he (the False Prophet) might be reueiled in his time (Mid-Trib). 7 For the mysterie of iniquitie doeth already worke: onely he (the Holy Spirit), which nowe withholdeth, shall let (Old English for prevent) till he be taken out of the way (at the First-Trump Rapture). 8 And then (after the First-Trump Rapture) shall that wicked man (the False Prophet) be reueiled, whome the Lorde shall consume with the Spirit of his mouth, and shall abolish with the brightnes of his comming".

The 1260 days, the time (1 year), times (2 years) and dividing of time (1/2 a year, or 3.5 years total), and the 1290 days are estimated time. Dan 7:25 says, "And he (i.e., the False Prophet) shall speak great words against the most High (Jesus, Isa 44:6), and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time (1 year) and times (2 years) and the dividing of time" (1/2 year, totaling 3.5 years).

Thus 3.5 years can be thought of as roughly equal to 1260 days of estimated time and 7 years as roughly equal to 2,520 days. We can think of a year as roughly having 360 days. Yet, we know in the back of our heads that the average length of a year is 365.2425 days. The 1260 days, the 1290 days, the 2520 days, and the 360-day year are estimated time, not the exact number of days between 2 points.

We work with estimated time yet today, counting a month as 30 days and a year as 360 days (12 x 30) in spite of our months that have 31 days and our years that have 365 days. We use estimated time to arrive at ballpark figures in a hurry. We can always refine it later if we need an exact figure.

In the Bible, the difference between the 1260-day period and the 1290-day period is 30 days, one estimated month. I think it is given to us to show us that the last year of the Tribulation will be a Hebrew Leap Year with the 13th month, Adar II. Actually, Adar II has 29 days, but we are estimating time, so we count it as 30.

If the last year of the Tribulation has to be a Leap Year, we are limited to 5774 (2013/2014), 5776 (2015/2016), or 5779 (2018/2019).

I think the last year of the Tribulation will be 5776 (2015/2016) for a couple of good reasons. We can tell that the final year should be a Jubilee Year, because Israel will be returned to their inherited plot of land on the 1335th day (Dan 12:12,13). A Jubilee year has to be preceeded by a Sabbatical Year. 5775 (2014/2015) is Sabbatic, so is 5782 (2021/2022), but that's too far in the future. Second, because 1967 (Six Day War) + 48.33 (1 generation, Mt 1:17) = 2015.33. That equals Tishri 1, 5776, the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath.

I think the extra 30 days (estimated time) means that there will be 7 months, rather than the usual 6, from Tishri 1, Sept 14, 2015 (Day of God's Wrath) to Saturday, Nisan 1, April 9, 2016 (Second Advent on the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Years).

> > (2) 'That day' will NOT be in "in winter".
> > (3) 'That day' will NOT be "on the Sabbath".

Jesus was talking to his disciples. They, and therefore all saints, are to pray that their flight (i.e., catching up, Rapture) will not be "in winter" or "on the Sabbath".

Mt 24:20-22 says, "But pray ye (saints) that your flight (phuge, ESCAPE, i.e., Rapture) be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day (Ascension Day, Iyar 25, 5771, is on Sunday in the spring): 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

In Mt 24:37, Jesus indicated that the Rapture will be as the days of Noah.

Gen 6:3 says, "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

That could apply to modern times. The first Zionist Congress met in 1897. 1897 + 120 yrs = 2017. This is the outer limit of the dates I am considering.

Another thing concerning Noah I might point out is that when Noah could not see the Sun, Moon and stars, he used estimated time. Gen 7:24 says, "the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days." 150 days divided by 30 = 5 months of estimated time).

Gen 8:4,5 changes AFTER Noah can see the Sun, Moon and stars. No longer using estimated time, it says, "And the ark rested in the SEVENTH MONTH, ON THE SEVENTEENTH DAY OF THE MONTH, upon the mountains of Ararat. 5 And the waters decreased continually until the TENTH MONTH: IN THE TENTH MONTH, ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH, were the tops of the mountains seen."

Please let me know what you think when you take all these things into consideration.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of Agape

A post on Five Doves site, Re: Marilyn Agee--your discourse on grain harvests and Rapture events"

Michael Colunga (29 April 2011)

Marilyn, your recent post,

on grain harvests and the two Raptures was very illuminating. Keep up the good work! In HaShem

My reply

Thanks. It sure is nice to be appreciated. Agape

Vision of Imminent Rapture - April 27, 2011 - Dr Owuor

Posted on Five Doves, Re: "Dr Owuor's upcoming Revival dates changed"

Raul D (2 May 2011)
correction to Owours upcoming meetings, dates have changed, as of May 1, 2011 these dates are missing in His website

Hyderabad, India Revival
May 14-15, 2011
Uhuru Park Revival
May 27-29, 2011

The New first meeting is on

Lilongwe, Malawi Revival
May 20-22, 2011

My comment

Maybe he wants to be with his family on May 29.

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