Pro and Con 1629

Posted 9-3-2011


The comet Elenin is breaking up, as many comets do when they get close to the Sun.

A post on Five Doves

Clay Cantrell (30 Aug 2011)
"MJ Agee and Why Obama Isn't the Anti-Christ"

Readers go here:

and scroll down a little to MJ Agee's article on Obama and her reasons he fails to fulfill Biblical requirements.

I respect sister Agee tremendously, and she is one hard working prophecy teacher and student. that being said, I don't agree with her reasoning on all subjects, not even this one, which I suppose is really neither here nor there. I do agree with her base conclusion on this subject, though - Obama just doesn't seem to work out in the role of the AC, no matter how hard people try to force square pegs into round holes.

My reply

Thanks. I try hard.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Left to Die

By age 34, Nasir Siddiki, a successful businessman, had made his first million, but money meant nothing to him on his deathbed. Diagnosed with the worst case of shingles ever admitted to Toronto General Hospital, his immune system shut down and doctors left him to die.

“The next morning I woke in a sterile room on the eighth floor of the hospital, my skin burning as though someone had doused me in gasoline and lit a match. I felt on fire from the inside out. “

“My doctor arrived and looked at me in wonder. “The blisters are multiplying so fast I can literally watch them grow,” he said. ‘”Your body isn’t fighting back.”

The next morning, in addition to shingles, I had chicken pox from head to toe. I was put in strict isolation. That evening my temperature soared to 107.6 degrees — hot enough to leave my brain permanently scrambled.

For days I continued to deteriorate. My nerve endings became so inflamed that a hair drifting across my skin sent shock waves of fire rippling through my body. By week’s end, I was listed in critical condition.

My Last Hope

In life, I’d been bold, self confident, a risk taker. But facing death, I was terrified. I had no idea what might await me on the other side. I’d been raised as a Moslem in London, England, and I understood Allah was not a god who heals.

My only hope was in medicine.

I eventually slipped so close to death that the doctors didn’t know I could hear them when they examined me. “His immune system has simply shut down,” one of them said.

“He’s dying,” the other confirmed. “His immune system must be compromised by AIDS.”

I don’t have AIDS! I wanted to shout, but I couldn’t form the words. Then it hit me. He said I’m dying!

The doctors spoke quietly to my co-worker, Anita. “In a few hours he’ll be dead,” they said. “If by some miracle he lives, he’ll probably be blind in his right eye, deaf in his right ear, paralyzed on his right side and he may be severely brain damaged from the high fever.”

Then they left.

They left me here to die! I felt like a drowning man going down for the third time. Gathering my strength I whispered a prayer. “God, if you’re real, don’t let me die!”

In His Presence
During the darkest hour of the night, I woke and saw a man at the foot of my bed. Rays of light emanated from him, allowing me to see his outline. I couldn’t see his face, it was too bright. No one had to tell me, I knew it was Jesus.

The Koran mentions Jesus; Moslems believe He existed, not as the son of God, but as a good man and a prophet. I knew this wasn’t Mohammed. I knew it wasn’t Allah. Jesus was in my room. There was no fear, only peace.

“Why would You come to a Moslem when everyone else has left me to die?” I wondered.

Without words, he spoke to me. “I Am the God of the Christians. I Am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.”

That’s all He said. He didn’t mention my illness. He didn’t mention my impending death. As suddenly as He appeared, He was gone.

The next morning, the same two doctors arrived to examine me. “The blisters have stopped growing!”

“We don’t know what happened, but the shingles virus has gone into remission!”

The following day, still in pain and covered with blisters, I was discharged from the hospital with a suitcase full of drugs. “Don’t leave home,” the doctor cautioned. “It will be months before the blisters go away, and when they do you’ll be left with white patches of skin and scars. The pain could last for years.”

Stepping outside into the morning sun, I looked like a cross between a leper and the Elephant Man. When people saw me, they crossed to the other side of the street. However, my mind was not on my looks; my thoughts were on Jesus. There was no doubt in my mind that Jesus’ presence in my room had stopped the shingles virus. Whatever else Jesus may be, I realized that in His presence miracles happened. That fact left me with one consuming question: Is Jesus the Son of God as the Christians claim, or is He just a prophet as I was taught?

At home that evening, in spite of the drugs, the pain and itching was so severe I almost had to tie my hands. Even so, I fell into a restless sleep wondering about Jesus.

Learning to Live

The next morning, I woke early and turned on the television. Flipping through the channels, I froze when I saw the following words across the screen: Is Jesus the Son of God?

I listened intently as two men spent the entire program discussing this topic — answering all of my questions. Before the show went off the air, one of the men led the television audience in a prayer. My body was aflame with pain but I knelt on my living room floor anyway. Tears streaming down my face, I repeated the prayer and invited Jesus into my heart.

Immediately a voracious spiritual hunger sprang up within me. I had to know more about Jesus. In spite of my doctor’s orders to stay inside, the next day I went out and bought a Bible. First I read the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Still ravenous, I started in Genesis and read through the Bible during my sleepless nights.

Meanwhile, Anita brought me books and teaching tapes explaining the Gospel. I devoured them while continuing to study the Word of God. As my understanding of faith began to grow, I dug out a picture of how I looked before shingles. I prayed and asked God to make me look that way again.

Jesus, My Healer

One week after my discharge from the hospital, I woke and found my pillow covered in blisters. I must have clawed them in my sleep, I thought. I crawled out of bed and stepped into the shower. What had started on my pillow was finished in the shower: Every blister fell off my body!

Instead of being covered with patches of white and scar tissue, my skin was simply red and raw. It slowly healed, returning to its pre-shingles condition. When it did, I not only looked human, I looked like I did before I got sick, except for the scars that I still carry on my chest.

None of the doctor’s dire predictions came true. My eyesight was 20/20. My hearing was normal. My speech was unimpaired. I suffered no brain damage.

My healing was miraculous, swift and complete. I never suffered from lingering pain or any other complication. Not only did I have the worst case of shingles ever admitted to Toronto General Hospital, I also had the most miraculous recovery.

Jesus, the God of the Christians, showed up in the hospital room of a dying Moslem and healed me. But that wasn’t the greatest miracle He performed. The transformation that occurred in my heart was even more dramatic than the one that occurred in my body.


My comments

Having had Shingles rash (chickenpox viral infection of a nerve) along one nerve that came out of my spine and went almost halfway around my body, I felt so sorry for this man. If you have had chickenpox, you are at risk to get shingles sometime, usually at the worst possible time, when you are under great stress. Only people who have had it know what kind of lingering burning pain it causes. I couldn't stand for soft clothing to fall away and then touch me again. The slightest touch can cause excruciating pain. I couldn't go to work, and I only had one nerve infected. Even after the infection is stopped, the nerve pain lingers. Oh, this poor man. Thank you Lord for saving him and healing him. In Jesus' name, Amen.

My reply to a post on Five Doves

To: Jennie, Re: Crucifixion Day and Sunday Pentecost

> > Please give me scripture for Pentecost to ALWAYS BE ON A SUNDAY?

> > I think it's a misinterpretation to ASUME that Pentecost is on Sunday.

I agree with you. I don't think Pentecost always has to be on Sunday.

Lev 23:15,16 is a bit confusing. It says, "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye number fifty days".

That Sabbath can be taken two ways. The morrow after the weekly Saturday Sabbath is Sunday, and the morrow after the Feast of Unleavened Bread (an annual Sabbath) is not always on Sunday.

It was in 30 AD though. Passover was Nisan 14, Friday. Unleavened Bread was Nisan 15, Saturday. Firstfruits was Nisan 16, Sunday, the day after the weekly Sabbath. The first day of the Omer was Firstfruits.

It is not the same every year. In 2008, Nisan 14, Passover, was Saturday, Nisan 15, Unleavened Bread, was Sunday, and Nisan 16, Firstfruits, was Monday. The day after the Saturday Sabbath was not the day of Firstfruits. Therefore, the Sabbath before Firstfruits was the Feast of Unleavened Bread, an annual Sabbath, no matter what day of the week it fell on.

> > If Jesus rose on the Third Day, then how did he die on Friday and rose on Sunday?

He didn't. John 19:14 says, "IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER (i.e., Thursday), and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

Jesus was crucified on the preparation of the Passover, Thursday.

Mark 15:42 says, "And now when the even was come, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION, THAT IS, THE DAY BEFORE THE SABBATH" (i.e., before Passover, the high day, the annual Sabbath).

Luke 23:54 says, "And THAT DAY WAS THE PREPARATION, and the sabbath (Passover, the high Sabbath) drew on."

The Crucifixion was on the day BEFORE the Passover, Thursday, Nisan 13, the day they did their cooking for the three feasts, which were all annual Sabbaths, days of rest. Passover was called the HIGH DAY.

Jesus died about 3 PM on Nisan 13, when the lambs were being killed at the Temple. They had to be roasted and eaten before midnight, which was the 6th hour of Nisan 14.

John 19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (FOR THAT SABBATH DAY WAS AN HIGH DAY,) [i.e., it was Passover, the high Sabbath] besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

Mt 12:40 says, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." The 3 days and 3 nights were Thursday (day), Friday (night then day), Saturday (night then day) and Sunday (night). Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: "Two Chances to fulfill Feast of Trumpets 2011"

(Names applied to Feast of Trumpets)

Most of us have studied Feast of Trupets or Yom Teruah by now. We all know that it is definitely an "allusion" to the Rapture, it is almost indisputable.

The names given to it Yom Teruah (Feast of Trumpets/Rosh Hashannah)

"The Day of Our Concealment", Isaiah 26:17-21

"The LAST Trump" , 1 Corinthians 15:52

"The Feast that No Man Knows the Day or the Hour" , Matthew 24:36

Other Names:

Yom Teruah (Day of Awakening Blast)

Yom HaDin (Day of Judgement)

HaMelech (Coronation of the Messiah)

Yom HaZikaron (Day of Remembrance)

Opening of the Gates (Day when Heaven's Gates are Opened for the Home Taking)

Kiddushin/Nisu'im (The Wedding Ceremony)

The Tekia HaGedolah (The Last Trump)

Incoming e-mail, Re: The Lying Paraphrased Bibles

Proven - Global Warming Caused By The Sun

By Lawrence Solomon, 8-26-11

Science Getting Settled

New, convincing evidence indicates global warming is caused by cosmic rays and the sun — not humans

The science is now all-but-settled on global warming, convincing new evidence demonstrates, but Al Gore, the IPCC and other global warming doomsayers won’t be celebrating. The new findings point to cosmic rays and the sun — not human activities — as the dominant controller of climate on Earth.

The research, published with little fanfare this week in the prestigious journal Nature, comes from uber-prestigious CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, one of the world’s largest centres for scientific research involving 60 countries and 8,000 scientists at more than 600 universities and national laboratories. CERN is the organization that invented the World Wide Web, that built the multi-billion dollar Large Hadron Collider, and that has now built a pristinely clean stainless steel chamber that precisely recreated the Earth’s atmosphere.

Incoming e-mail, Re: EVER WONDER What Heaven is Like? How Soon the Rapture & Great Tribulation is?

Below is about a young man and his wife who lost three children (a son and two daughters). As a result of fasting and prayer, 5 days a week, God permitted the husband numerous visits to Heaven, including a visit with his children. Following is a transcript of many things he learned... (emphasis is mine)

"Heaven is too beautiful! I saw millions of beautiful mansions right in line. HEAVEN IS SO BIG - IT IS SUCH A HUGE PLANET, 1,000s and millions of miles wide and long. YOU TRAVEL AT THE BLINK OF AN EYE. It is amazing and indescribable. I believe THIS WAS THE THIRD HEAVEN....Everybody has a mansion...

"Jesus gave me another experience about the Rapture. The Lord showed me, "THIS IS WHERE I AM GOING TO MEET WITH MY PEOPLE IN HEAVEN." IT WAS IN THE FIRST HEAVEN. There are TWO DIFFERENT PLANETS. Everything is 3RD HEAVEN, BUT THERE ARE LEVELS 1, 2 & 3. He took me back down to Level 1 and showed me where THE CHURCH IS GOING TO MEET WITH HIM ON THE 1ST LEVEL. He is going to speak to us as soon as we come out of the cloud with the Lord and arrive at the FIRST HEAVEN. We are going to have A BIG MEETING there. All family members, all of them, will be waiting for us right there. I saw the families getting together. Right now, right now, WE ARE GOING TO HEAVEN ANY DAY NOW. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. THE RAPTURE WILL HAPPEN ANY DAY NOW. The Lord told me three days ago now (Ed., his video was posted June 6, 2011), "GET READY, YOU ARE GOING TO BE HOME SOON!"...

I have seen so much in Heaven it is hard to describe. The Lord explained it to me, from the FIRST LEVEL, WHICH IS A PLANET, TO THE THIRD LEVEL OF THE 3RD HEAVEN, WHICH IS ANOTHER PLANET. HE SHOWED ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PLANETS....

"On another trip the Lord took me to see my kids; three in Heaven....

"The New Jerusalem is coming from Heaven. I was seeing everything they were making for the New Jerusalem; beautiful castles for us....

"Just the other night He took me to Heaven to the wedding...Everything in Heaven is ready for the wedding it talks about in Rev. 20....

"Three nights ago He took me to Heaven and I saw how everybody was dressed for the wedding supper. Everything was just ready. All the redeemed were ready. I saw the Lord on the Throne. Everything was ready for the Rapture. How soon is the Rapture? Any minute. We will be home any minute. There is no doubt about that. Any minute! We are outta here any day....

As soon as we are out of here, then 7 years. In 7 years the Earth will be completely destroyed....

"People, prepare for the Rapture!... (June 6, 2011)...

My comments

> > "How soon is the Rapture? Any minute."

That sounds great to me. It can't be too soon for us. Ed has been bedfast ever since Wed, March 10, 2010, when he was admitted to the hospital with pneumonia. I went into a different hospital with pneumonia on the following Tues, March 16. I was taking antibiotics at home from March 10, but my doctor said she had to get intravenous antibiotics into me. When I tried to beg to stay home, she said, "You are going to the hospital!. Get there as fast as you can so they don't give your room to someone else." I went. It was the only room available in either hospital.


My family is hoping for the Feast of Trumpets, 2011.


Someone posted on Five Doves that the Rapture would be on Thursday. It may have been a dream, I can't remember, but if that's right, Thursday, September 29, 2011 sure could be the day of the First-Trump Rapture (I Thess 4:16,17).

The Hebrew Date Converter says, "1st of Tishrei, 5772 = Thu, 29 September 2011." Hebrew days always start at 6 PM on our previous day. Thursday, Tishri 1, 5772 starts at 6 PM on our 28th and ends at 6 PM on our 29th.

In the early days, the Jews had to sight the new crescent Moon within the first 45 minutes after sunset on the evening before Tishri 1. Therefore, their Tishri 1 would be what we would think was the next day after the new crescent Moon was sighted, i.e., on Thursday, Sept 29, 2011.


Mon, 14 September 2015 seems to be the date of the Last-Trump Rapture (I Cor 15:51-54).

This way, the Bride of Christ, those caught up in the FIRST Rapture (I Thess 4:16,17) plus the 144,000 Israelites caught up at the LAST Rapture (I Cor 15:51-54) would all have the same birthstone, the September sapphire, which as a birthstone, means Heaven. That seems perfect.


According to Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, the word sapphire means dear to the planet SATURN, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear.

When I found that, I whispered, "Then it's true," as goosebumps ran all over me. Saturn is our Heaven.

On the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath, at the end of the Great Tribulation, Earth will be hit by two asteroids (Rev 8:8-11) plus a hail of smaller rocks. This won't destroy the planet, but the works of man upon it. Every wall will fall (Eze 38:18-20).

> > I have seen so much in Heaven it is hard to describe. The Lord explained it to me, from the FIRST LEVEL, WHICH IS A PLANET, TO THE THIRD LEVEL OF THE 3RD HEAVEN, WHICH IS ANOTHER PLANET.


In 2Co 12:2-4, Paul wrote, "I knew a man (Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN [i.e., SATURN]. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into PARADISE [i.e., the third Heaven, SATURN], and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."


Ex 24:10 says, "And they saw the GOD of Israel (YHWH of Hosts, Christ the Redeemer, Isa 44:6): and there was UNDER HIS FEET as it were (i.e., as if it were) a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone (i.e., SATURN), and as it were (i.e., as if it were) THE BODY OF HEAVEN (the heavenly body) in his (or its) clearness."

Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH); I (the pre-incarnate Christ) am the FIRST (i.e., YHWH the King of Israel), and I am the LAST (i.e., YHWH of hosts); and beside me there is no God."

Isa 48:18 says, "O that thou hadst hearkened to my (YHWH of host's, i.e., Christ's) commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea".

In Rev 22:13, Jesus Christ said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, THE FIRST (YHWH the King of Israel) and THE LAST" (YHWH of hosts).


Eze 1:26 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of A MAN (the God/man Jesus Christ, Eze 1:1) above upon it."

Eze 10:1 says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament (expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets, Eze 1:15) there appeared over them (i.e., farther out in space) as it were (i.e., as if it were, symbolic language) a SAPPHIRE stone (Saturn), as the appearance of the likeness of a THRONE" (i.e., the GOD/MAN Christ's throne).

Eze 28:13 says, "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering (i.e., surroundings), the sardius (i.e., 1. Mercury), topaz (2. Venus), and the diamond (3. Earth), the beryl (4. Mars), the onyx (5. Rahab, Satan's planet that was split apart forming the Asteroid Belt), and the jasper (6. Jupiter), the SAPPHIRE (7. SATURN), the emerald (8. Uranus), and the carbuncle (9. Neptune), and gold (10. Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created."

De 10:14 says, "Behold, THE HEAVEN (i.e., Mars) and THE HEAVEN (i.e., Saturn) OF HEAVENS (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter and 3. Saturn) is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is."

1Ki 8:27 says, "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, THE HEAVEN (i.e., Mars) AND HEAVEN OF HEAVENS (i.e., Saturn, last naked eye planet) 1. Mars, 2. Jupiter and 3. Saturn) cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?"

2Ch 2:6 says, "But who is able to build him an house, seeing THE HEAVEN (i.e., Mars) AND HEAVEN (i.e., Saturn) OF HEAVENS (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter and 3. Saturn) cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him?"

2Ch 6:18 says, "But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, HEAVEN (i.e., Mars) AND THE HEAVEN OF HEAVENS (SATURN, i.e., 1. Mars, 2. Jupiter and 3. SATURN) cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!"

Neh 9:6 says, "Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made HEAVEN (SATURN), THE HEAVEN OF HEAVENS (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter and 3. SATURN), with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee."

Job 22:14 says, "Thick clouds (i.e., Saturn's thick golden clouds) are a covering to him...and he walketh in the CIRCUIT (chug, circle, i.e., orbit) OF HEAVEN."

One place Christ's walking in the orbit of heaven is depicted in the Gospel in the Sky is the constellation Ophiuchus.

According to Wikipedia, "Ophiuchus is a large constellation located just above the celestial equator. Its name is from the Greek ... (a word meaning) "serpent-bearer", and it is commonly represented as a man grasping the snake that is represented by the constellation Serpens."

Ophiuchus (representing Christ), is walking with his foot on Scorpio (Satan) and is wrestling with Serpens (Satan) to keep him from claiming the crown (Corona).

Wikipedia describes the position of Ophiuchus differently than I do. It says, "It is located between Aquila, Serpens and Hercules, northwest of the center of the Milky Way. The southern part lies between Scorpius to the west and Sagittarius to the east. It is best visible in the northern summer and located opposite Orion in the sky. Ophiuchus is depicted as a man grasping a serpent; the interposition of his body divides the snake constellation Serpens into two parts, Serpens Caput and Serpens Cauda, which are nonetheless counted as one constellation."

The Sun is actually in Virgo during the month of Tishri. Don't pay any attention to Astrology. It is wrong, the months are off and trying to predict human behavior by the stars is Satanic. For our own good, God forbids it.

Literally, Virgo is clothed with the Sun in Rev 12. Jesus was born on Tishri 1 in 5 BC, and the sign of Rev 12 was in the sky Sept 4, 5 BC. It will also be in the sky Sept 29, 2011, Tishri 1, 5772. Maybe the Rapture will be in that night. I sure hope so.

Incoming e-mail, Re: First, the tares

What do you think of this explanation? Very misleading and convenient for explaining the facts away. The Pre Trib or first fruits occurs before the main harvest.

Biblical Evidence of the Pre-Tribulation False Rapture [False ...

Biblical Evidence of the Pre-Tribulation False Rapture [False Alien Rapture] ... Pre Tribulation Rapture is a Fairy Tale for ...

My reply

> > > What do you think of this explanation? Very misleading and convenient for explaining the facts away. The Pre Trib or first fruits occurs before the main harvest.

Definitely. Like you, I disagree with "Awakened2Truth". This is what that person wrote:

"Biblical Evidence of the False Pre-Tribulation Rapture [False 'Alien" Rapture]"

"Mt 13:37-43: "He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world); and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."


"So, if you see thousands of people DISAPPEAR... DO NOT be sad for yourself and others who are LEFT BEHIND.

"They did NOT "miss the rapture".


"Remember Jesus said the TARES are 'Taken'.
"Luke 17
"36 Two [men] shall be in the field the one shall be TAKEN, and the other LEFT.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body [is], thither will the eagles be gathered together."
"The church are those are are [sic] LEFT and remain."

My reply

There are two Raptures. In Luke 21:36,37, the one "taken" is a Tribulation saint being caught up in the second Rapture. He is taken to where the "body", i.e., the Body of Christ, is (it's in Heaven, having been caught up in the first Rapture).

Mt 24:28 is at the time of the second Rapture. It says, "For wheresoever the carcase (body, i.e., the Body of Christ) is (it's in Heaven, having been caught up in the first Rapture), there will the eagles (the Tribulation saints) be gathered together."

Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise servant) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (i.e., of the Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Mt 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder (lit., cut him off), and appoint him his portion (i.e., of the Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Mt 22:11-13 says, "And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment (i.e., like the unwise, or foolish virgins): 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness (lit., outside the door darkness); there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

We need to be called, and chosen, and faithful. At the time of the first Rapture, Rev 17:14 says, "These shall (i.e., the ones that are going on into the Tribulation) make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: AND THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM (i.e., with Christ right after the first Rapture) are called, and chosen, and faithful." Isa 40:31 explains, "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings AS EAGLES; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

> > "the 'Tares'will be 'TAKEN' FIRST NOT THE CHURCH!!!

The wise virgin Philadelphian church will be taken up first. The tares are gathered in bundles (probably in the 10 regions of the world) to be burned, NOT to be raptured. Mt 13:38 says, "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but THE TARES ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE WICKED ONE" (i.e., of Satan). Therefore, the tares will not go in either Rapture.

Mt 13:40 says, "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world (aion, age). When the asteroids of Rev 8:8-11 impact Earth on the Day of God's Wrath, which is the end of this age, the tares will be burned.

There are two Raptures, the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17 and the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54. I expect the wise virgins to be caught up in the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17. At that Rapture, the saints will be incorruptable, but not yet actually immortal.

1Co 15:42 says, "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption".

The foolish virgins, 144,000 Israelites and a great multitude of Tribulation saints will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54. Then, Paul and all the saints of both Raptures will become immortal.

1Cor 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE (including Paul) shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption (i.e., at the first Rapture), and this mortal must put on immortality (i.e., at the last Rapture). 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption (i.e., at the first Rapture), and this mortal shall have put on immortality (i.e., at the last Rapture), then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

I expect the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17 to take place before the False Prophet is revealed Mid-Trib. I'm hoping for Thursday Sept 29, 2011. I think the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 will take place on the Day of God's Wrath. That day has come in Rev 6:17. Then the Tribulation saints and the 144,000 Israelites will be caught up to Heaven in Rev 7:9,14. After that, in Rev 8, the 7 judgment trumpets will be given to the 7 angels.

The tares are not raptured at all. They are gathered in bundles to be burned at the end of the Age, i.e., on the Day of the Lord which is the Day of God's Wrath and the day of the Last-Trump Rapture. As Mt 13:49 says, "the harvest is the end of the world (aion, age).

I can be wrong, but I think the Day of God's Wrath will be Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015. Then there will be 7 months to the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016. Eze 39:12,13 tells us about the 7 months. So does Dan 12:11, where an extra 30-day month appears. The Jewish 5776 is a Leap Year with the 13th month. Preceeding the Jubilee year, there has to be a Sabbatic Year, and 5775 is a Sabbatic Year. More pieces of the puzzle are fitting together.

Eze 39:12,13 says, "And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them (Gog's army that was killed on Tishri 1), that they may cleanse the land.13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

Dan 12:10,11 says, "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (i.e., Mid-Trib), and the abomination that maketh desolate (i.e., an idol) set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days" (1260 + 30 = 1290).

We can see that on the Day of the Lord when Jesus receives his kingdom, the Second Advent is still "to come".

Rev 11:15-19 says, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (on the Day of the Lord, Tishri 1), and wast (at the First Advent, Tishri 1), and ART TO COME (at the Second Advent, Nisan 1); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast (past tense) reigned (his reign started the previous Tishri 1). 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come (Tishri 1), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ, Tishri 1), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices (Gr. phone; noise, sound, voice), and thunderings, and an earthquake (worldwide, Eze 38:18-21), and great hail." Agape

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