Pro and Con 167, Updated 8-26-98, AM

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Caps has proposed in P/C 164 to measure Pentecosts, or periods of 50 days, as each being a watch, which would bring us to the third watch on September 6, 1998. I would like to propose extending this concept further and counting seven, or a weeks worth, (seven being the number for completion), of 50 day periods for a total of 350 days, which is a little less than an earth orbit year. This will be referred to throughout this letter as a Pentecost Year. (Although I have not seen this 350 day year proposed elsewhere, it may very well have and be called something else.)

I would then ever be so bold to assert that it appears that God has used this measure of a year ever since Adam was formed. The evidence for this will be given later. In addition, I believe eschatologists like yourself can unify understanding of timing of prophecy throughout the Bible from the concept of years, to generations, to ages, by using this measure of a year.

³And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf on the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number FIFTY days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.² Leviticus 23:15, 16

I will be running through simple calculations which anyone can duplicate with a calculator, and I hope people will take the time to do so for verification in their own minds. These calculations will cover the following items:

1. A generation from Christıs triumphal entry into Jerusalem/rejection by Jews to temple destroyed.
2. The Church Age or Gentile Age being 2000 years, just as previous 2 ages.
3. The Jewish calendarıs beginning date indeed being correct. (Could the Christian calendarıs beginning date be correct also?)

This will lead to at least the following application:

4. A generation from modern Israel putting forth itıs branches and Christıs expected second triumphal entry into Jerusalem/ acceptance by Jews falling to the day on the anticipated Jewish calendar day.

So the fundamental question people may argue is how long is a year? There are references in the Bible which have inferred 360 days per year which some have called a prophetic year. Since the Orthodox Jewish year is based on the lunar cycle, their year is either 353, 354, 355, 383, 384, or 385 days long. The Gregorian and Julian calendars are either 365 or 366 days long. If you want to split hairs, you yourself have called the period of time from June 7, 1967 to September 13, 2007, the Feast of Trumpets, 40 years, which would make each year 367.7 days long. By the way, this calculation was easily performed using a Hebrew Calendar program which I personally prefer using and is available over the internet at: http://users.aol.com/calmaven/calmaven.htm (I like this particular one because of itıs interface. It shows both Gregorian and Jewish calendars side by side and you can just mouse click on whatever day you want and the corresponding calendar date will be highlighted in blue and the julian sequential count will be automatically updated.) However none of the calculations will require itıs use. Letıs see how this Pentecost year fits the data.

A. Lets start with a generation from Christıs triumphal entry into Jerusalem/rejection by Jews to temple destroyed.

You agree that the birth of the Church was on Pentecost following Christıs death and resurrection, (and rejection of Christ by the Jews) in Pro/Con 148. However to fit a 2000 year Church age with 1998 AD you are forced into saying that the Age of the Church extends some 30 years BEFORE the Church was born. I am sure these some 30 years are what the writer in P/C 154 was referring to as to why he did not think the rapture would probably occur for another 30 years.

Likewise, based on various historical evidence, many scholars say that Jesus died in 32 AD. Yet to make a 40 calendar year generation before the well-established Av 9, 70 AD for the destruction of the temple, you and others are forced into making the date for His death in 30 AD. (For example itıs fairly well established that Tiberious Caesar became the Roman Emperor in AD 14. Jesus began his ministry in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberious Caesar (see Luke 3:1) and He was about 30 years old, (see Luke 3:23). His ministry was not for just a year.) Regardless, we both agree His generation speech was probably four to five days before the Passover which he was killed just before, which puts it around Nisan 10. Adding 40 calendar years to this brings us to Nisan 10, AD 70 which is still some 117 days SHORT of Av 9 which the Jews commemorate each year because both of their temples were destroyed on this date. (Take for example this year, the rest of Nisan is 20 days. Iyar has 29 days. Sivan has 30 days. Tammuz has 29 days. To Av 9 is 9 days. This total is 117 days. Since the month of Adar II does not fall between these dates, other years are similar), Although there are some excellent Hebrew calendars available over the Web such as the one referenced before, (although it doesnıt go back to 30 AD), lets do a rough calculation.

40 years divided by 365.242199 orbit days times 350 Pentecost year days yields 38.330705 years. 32 AD + 38 = 70 AD. 350 days times 0.330705 yields 116 days. Not bad.

B. Letıs skip ahead to the application that it will be a generation from modern Israel putting forth itıs branches and Christıs second triumphal entry into Jerusalem/ acceptance by Jews.

I am in agreement with you that the prophecy of ³This generation will not pass² recorded three times in three different gospels, Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 has a dual fullfillment. The first fullfillment was of ³not one stone left upon the other² of the temple as documented above. The second fullfillment is the second coming of Christ to earth to rule. The fig tree put forth itıs branches on June 7, 1967. You agree that He will be coming back the second time on Rosh Hashana or the eve of Rosh Hashana, the Feast of Trumpets. However, again 40 calendar years from June 7, 1967 brings us to June 7, 2007, not September 13, 2007, the Feast of Trumpets in the year 2007. However, 40 Pentecost years brings us to June 7, 2005 plus 117 days. Adding 117 days brings us to October 2, 2005 which is the day before the eve of Rosh Hashana. Not bad again. Also, October 2, 2005 happens to be a Sunday, (The day of the Lord). Also, seven Hebrew years previous, we find the actual eve of Rosh Hashana, (which someone pointed out is the day that no one knows because the moon has not been sighted to confirm that it is the actual eve). Also known as the feast of Trumpets, September 20, 1998, it happens to also be on a Sunday, (the day of the Lord), the same day as set forth in Revelations looking back and forward to the next 7 years of tribulation.

C. Lets now cover the Church Age or Gentile Age being 2000 years, just as the previous 2 ages were also 2000 years.

We are both in agreement that the Church was born on Pentecost following Jesusıs death and resurrection, which you state as 30 AD and I believe is 32 AD. Regardless of this discrepancy, obviously if the Jews had accepted Jesus as their Messiah when he made his triumphal entry into Jerusalem which we commemorate on Palm Sunday, the Church would not have been born. Therefore the Church age could not have started before itıs birth for this reason also. Anyway, adding 2000 years to your 30 AD, brings us to 2030 AD. Pretty much out of our window even with a generation from June 7, 1967.

Letıs now establish the end of the Church age or the age of the Gentiles, sometimes referred to as the age of grace. Now most Gentiles will probably not have an answer. However, ask any Jewish person or visit any of their web sites and the concensus will be overwhelming that the age of the Gentiles ended when Israel was reborn. That would put the date at May 14, 1948 or shortly thereafter. Some put it the following year but itıs not worth making a case over it.

Now for the simple calculations: Before we calculated that 38.330705 earth orbit years equaled 40 Pentecost years. Since 40 years times 50 (Jubilee years) equals 2000 years or an age, we just need to take 38.330705 times 50 which yields 1916.5352. Adding roughly 1916 to 32 AD brings us to 1948 AD. You may note that our calculation is probably not accurate to within a day as was the previous generation calculation. However, if we were within a day for a generation, multiplying this by 50 we could expect to be accurate to within 50 days.

D. Letıs now cover the Jewish calendarıs beginning date indeed being correct.

Okay, roughly as of August 1998, it is Av 5758 on the Jewish calendar. Christians have offered up various explanations for why this isnıt 5998 or thereabouts. Regardless, letıs timeline this. Weıve already timelined the last age (of grace) which led us to 1948. You can use a Hebrew calendar that goes back to 32 AD which is the Hebrew year 3792. Or you can take 5758 - 1998 + 32 = 3792. Our starting point in 32 AD is Pentecost when the church was born which is usually the last part of May and according to one Jewish computer calendar for 32 AD was 150 days since the beginning of the year. Adding this fractional amount gives us 3792.4098.

Now the first two ages are:

Age of lawlessness = 2000 Pentecost years = 1916.5352 orbital years Age of the law = 2000 Pentecost years = 1916.5352 orbital years (Iım guessing this age probably started when Abraham obeyed God to be willing to sacrifice Isaac and it was counted to him for righteousness)

Total = 3833.0704 orbital years

This total is 3833.0704 - 3792.4098 = 40.66 years more than the Jewish calendarıs start date. However, this start date is said to begin when Adam and Eve were thrown out of the garden of Eden. However, you yourself have said that Adam and Eve were in the garden for 40 years before being thrown out. And since Adam and Eve operated under lawlessness in the garden, before the law was given, it would also be part of the age of lawlessness, which explains the extra 40 years.

For yours and others thoughtful and prayerful consideration. God Bless

My reply

I would have a lot of trouble accepting a 350-day prophetic year. I have enough trouble with some things people do with a 360-day year. For instance, I do not accept what Sir Robert Anderson did in figuring the year Jesus was born.

I think Jesus was born in 30 AD, not 32 AD. Tiberius became Co-Rex in 12 AD. He had practically sole authority over Judaea, Augustus concerning himself with other parts of the empire. Tiberius became Sole-Rex in 14 AD. The temple was begun in BC 20/19. It had been 46 years under construction in 27 AD, the first Passover of Jesus' ministry and the 15th year of Tiberius. The first year of Cyrus (BC 454, Anstey, "The Romance of Bible Chronology) is the year to begin figuring the 483 years of Daniel 9:25. God "saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid" (Isa. 44:28). The 483 years are literal years. Jesus was Crucified in 30 AD, leaving the proper 40 years of probation, one generation) till the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD.

God gave the sun and moon for "seasons, and for days, and years." We have to adjust our Gregorian calendar to the sun. The Jews set their calendar by the date of the new moon on New Year Day, but have to also adjust it by the sun so that the grain will be ripe for Firstfruits and Pentecost. Thus, their calendar is both lunar and solar.

> If you want to split hairs, you yourself have
> called the period of time from June 7, 1967 to September 13, 2007, the
> Feast of Trumpets, 40 years, which would make each year 367.7 days long.

Actually, I have said that the Jewish 5727 + 40 = 5767, the last day of which is our Sept. 12, 2007. I think the Jewish New Year, Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007) will be the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

> However to fit a 2000 year Church age with 1998 AD you
> are forced into saying that the Age of the Church extends some 30 years
> BEFORE the Church was born.

I do not force anything into a preconceived mold. I let things fall where they will. Forget the names for the 2000-year ages if you please. They are not named in Scripture. You could call them the First Age, Second Age and Third Age. I just used the names R.B. Thieme gave them, for those names make good sense to me. God did deal mainly with the Jews in the Second Age, even though the age turned in BC 2003 and Abraham was not called until BC 1960. God is dealing mainly with the Church in the Third Age, even though the true birthday of the Church is 30 AD. I do think the wise men visited Jesus in BC 3, when the Third Age began. They brought him gifts that showed that he was both High Priest and King, i.e., Lord of lords and King of kings.

For my chart of the Divisions of Time, see page 265 in my book, "Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed" ("The End of the Age" in the Avon Books edition). It shows the Dispensations, 1000-year Days, and the 2000-year Ages all on one chart. The event that began each Dispensation is named and dated. The number of years in each Dispensation is listed. You may find it strange, but the number of years in each Dispensation varies a lot, from 40 years for the Dispensation of Innocence to 1977 years for the Dispensation of Grace.

> You agree that He will be coming back the second time on Rosh Hashana or the
> eve of Rosh Hashana, the Feast of Trumpets.

No. The Rapture could be on the Eve of Trumpets, but I think the Second Advent will be on "the first month, in the first day of the month" (Ezek. 29:17,21), Nisan 1, 5768, the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year (he is King) and Sacred Year (he is Lord), April 6, 2008 (see Ezek. 29:17,21). This is the anniversary of the Crucifixion on our calendar. The Jews will bury the dead to cleanse the land for his glorious return during the previous seven months (Ezek. 39:12) (i.e., between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1 in the Jewish leap year 5768).

> ask any Jewish person or visit any of their web sites and the concensus will
> be overwhelming that the age of the Gentiles ended when Israel was reborn.

We have to go by Scripture only. The parable given by the Lord himself says, "When his branch (modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, set when they came out of Egypt), and putteth forth leaves" (Mt. 24:32). Israel was 19 and grew leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights) in 1967.

The present Jewish calendar started with the Jewish New Year Day, Tishri 1, in our BC 3761. That was an arbitary decision. It does not tally with the creation of Adam according to the chronological information in Scripture. I think Adam was created on the Eve of Trumpets in BC 4044/43. That would be 283 years before the Jewish Era, or BJE 283.

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From the same person as above:
I must take exception to your explanation in P/C 166 of the tribulation timing, basing it on Daniel 8:14. You wrote:

#2. If you move the end of the 2300 days of Dan. 8:14 to Yom Kippor, the Day of Atonement, then you have moved the beginning of the Seventieth Week of Daniel off the Feast of Weeks that begins the Tribulation.

If you look up the word days as used in the King James Dan. 8:14 in the Strong's concordance, you will find that two Hebrew words were combined into the one English word, days. The meaning of these two Hebrew words, (Strongs #6153 and 1242) is evenings and mornings, said to be a reference to the evening and morning sacrifices. This is further emphasized by Dan. 8:26 which WAS translated evenings and mornings and refers to the previous Dan. 8:14 vision.

Basing your whole chronology on what has been called a mistranslation in the King James does not make any sense. This reference must be to 1150 days.

However, through your internet forum for the exchange of ideas, I think we can work out the most likely end times eschatology. Daniel 12 refers to 1290 and 1335 days. We know that 7 years times 360 days is 2520 days and 7 years times 350 days is 2450 days. I believe the Bible says the last 45 days there will be darkness. Daniel 12 refers to 1290 and 1335 days. We know that 7 years times 360 days is 2520 days and 7 years times 350 days is 2450 days. I believe the Bible says the last 45 days there will be darkness. Does this darkness fall around 2 weeks before Av 9 which is talked about as being dark days, and continue to Tishri 1?

I am also wondering about the 10 days between the day of judgement on Rosh Hashana and the day of atonement on Yom Kippur? Does this parallel 32 AD when Jesus threw out the money changers from the temple, judging them, and maybe 10 days later when Jesus rose from the dead? I'll have to think about this since this adds 3 to 4 more days to the regular chronology.

I wonder if we can work out a chronology based on assuming that Christ's triumphant return to Jerusalem will be on October 4, 2005 instead of 2 years later.

Well, taking my first shot. If you take 1335 days and add it to 1150 days you come up with 2485 days. Now I don't know how the shortened days in the second half of the tribulation fits in unless when the meteors hit the earth they increase the rotational speed of the earth. Anyway, I just did that on my Hebrew calendar by subtracting 2485 from the sequential day count and it fell on December 15, Kislev 26, 1998, which happens to be the second day of Hannukah.

I agree with the many reasons given through your P/C pages that point to September 20, 1998 as the day of the rapture of the Church. (i.e. Sunday, Day of the Lord, Harvest time, day of eve of Jewish New Year not actually known till after passed when moon sited, first letters of Song of Solomon 6:3 spelling Elel, etc.) I wanted to point out what the encyclopedia I have states about Harvest Moon:

"Harvest moon is the name given to the full moon that occurs nearest the autumnal equinox of the sun, about September 23. The moon rises at about the same time for several nights. It shines with such brightness that farmers in morthern Europe and Canada can work until late at night to take in the fall harvest."

My reply

> Basing your whole chronology on what has been called a mistranslation in the King
> James does not make any sense. This reference must be to 1150 days.

According to Dan. 8:26, this is "the vision of the evening and the morning." According to Gen. 1:5, the evening and the morning are one day. Therefore Dan. 8:14 refers to 2300 literal Jewish days, which consist of the evening (12 hours of night) and the morning (12 hours of day).

> Does this darkness fall around 2 weeks before Av 9 which is talked about as
> being dark days, and continue to Tishri 1?

I don't think so. An asteroid comes in faster than that.

> Does this parallel 32 AD when Jesus threw out the money changers from the
> temple, judging them, and maybe 10 days later when Jesus rose from the dead?

No. The timing does not fit. Jesus purified the temple on Monday (Mk. 11:9-15) and was crucified on Thursday.

> I wonder if we can work out a chronology based on assuming that Christ's triumphant
> return to Jerusalem will be on October 4, 2005 instead of 2 years later.

I tried all the possible years, and 5766 did not work. It is not a leap year. There must be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1 (Ezek. 39:12). That is not possible unless it is a Jewish leap year.

> "Harvest moon is the name given to the full moon that occurs nearest the autumnal > equinox of the sun, about September 23.

Remember that this year (1998), the new moon is Sept. 20, Tishri 1 is Sept. 21, and the first day of autumn is Sept. 23. The full moon is not until the Feast of Tabernacles, Tishri 15, October 5. Tabernacles is a harvest festival, and that full moon is the harvest moon.

Do you understand the shortened days different from this?

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The book, THE SEVEN FESTIVALS OF THE MESSIAH, By Eddie Chumney, also has something on the wise men of east. This gives further information concerning the original meaning of stars and constellations.

In Chapter 9 of that book we find:

"The last evidence I will give for the birth of Yeshua during Sukkot according to the Scriptures is in Matthew (Mattityahu) 2:1. There we see that wise men come from the East to visit Yeshua. The land of the East is Babylon, where the largest Jewish population was at the time of the birth of Yeshua. These Jews were descendants from the captivity when King Nebuchadnezzar defeated Israel and took the Jews to Babylon to serve him. Babylon is referred to as the land of the East in Genesis (Bereishit) 29:1 and Judges (Shoftim) 6:3. The wise men in Matthew (Mattityahu) 2:1 were rabbis. The rabbis, also called sages, are known in Hebrew as chakamim, which means wise men. The word in Matthew (Mattityahu) 2:1 in Greek is magos, which is translated into English as "Magi." Magos in Greek is the Hebrew word ravmag. Ravmag comes from the Hebrew word rav, which means "rabbi." It should also be noted that the Greek word magos can also mean scientist, counselor, scholar, or teacher. The rabbis were scholars or teachers of the Jewish law. Yeshua was referred to as "Rabbi," or "Teacher" in John (Yochanan) 1:38,47,49; 3:2. So, we can see that the wise men were Jewish rabbis coming from Babylon to witness the birth of Yeshua.

A question we can ask ourselves is, "What made the rabbis make the journey from Babylon to Bethlehem to witness the birth of Yeshua?" The answer is given in Matthew (Mattityahu) 2:2, as it is written, "...we have seen His star in the east...."

One of the requirements during the time of Sukkot was to build an outside temporary shelter and live in it during this festival season. This shelter is called a booth, or sukkah. The sukkah had to be built with an opening in the roof so the people could see the stars in heaven. This is another reason for why the rabbis would be looking for, and thus seeing, the star in the sky when it appeared. In addition, there was a prophecy in Numbers (Bamidbar), as it is written, "...a star shall come forth from Jacob..." (Numbers [Bamidbar] 24:17 NAS). King Herod inquired about where the Messiah would be born in Matthew (Mattityahu) 2:4. He was told in Bethlehem (Matthew [Mattityahu] 2:5-6), based upon the prophecy in Micah 5:2. In Matthew 2:10 it is written, "When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy." Once again, remember that Sukkot is called "the season of our joy." In Matthew 2:2, the rabbis saw the star from the East. Salvation was seen by the Jewish people as coming from the East. Yeshua descended from the tribe of Judah (Revelation 5:5). The tribe of Judah was positioned on the east side of the tabernacle of Moses (Moshe) in the wilderness. Finally, in Luke 2:32, Yeshua is called a light to the Gentiles. Once again, Sukkot is called "the festival of lights" and "the festival of all nations."

Therefore, by studying and understanding the festival of Sukkot and the themes and messages that G-d desired to be conveyed during this festival, enables us to read the Bible in a new light; it enables us to understand that Yeshua was born during the season of Sukkot and that He is the Star we are all called to see with our (spiritual) eyes!"

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If you get a chance, take a look at an article at:
www.shilhavy.com/y2k/savageau.htm

This article is not about the y2k problem, but about events that happened in 1991 and their effect seven years later (1998) on the current problems with Clinton. The writer compares all of this to verses in Isaiah 30 and 31 and how God's wrath may soon be felt. At first I felt a fearful bone-chilling response to what he had to say, then thankfully remembered that God is still in control. If what the writer says is in fact true and is prophetic, the time before the Rapture is very short indeed! I'm wondering if all this discussion about Jewish feasts is really necessary. Perhaps we do need to take an indepth look at current events and compare them to the words of OT prophets to understand our future. Ecclesiastes 3:15 "That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been".

Glad to hear Ed is on the mend. May God bless you and keep you.

My reply

The scriptures that Savageau mentioned, Isaiah 30:8-33 and Isaiah 31:1-3, are talking about Israel, not the USA. Isa. 29 begins, "WOE to Ariel, to Ariel (Jerusalem), the city where David dwelt...Yet I will distress Ariel. Isa. 30:9 says, "this is a rebellious people. lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD." Who was the law given to? Israel. In verse 14, "he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel" refers to the asteroid impact on the 2300th day of the shortened Tribulation. There "shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit."

Verse 25 says, "And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall" (the towers that house the world government and world church at Babylon). This is because the great mountain burning with fire of Rev. 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea. It is also because of the great star that comes from heaven burning with fire of Rev. 8:10. It impacts and destroys literal Babylon on the Euphrates River. On that day, this globe will be turned upside down (Isa. 24:1) because of these impacts. You can imagine what that will do to the seas.

Isa. 31:5 shows that Jerusalem is still being addressed. It says, "As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem (the army under Gog attacks Israel); defending also he will deliver it."

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I was wondering, NOW WHAT? Where do you think you went wrong with your calculations? Did you discovered where the errors were; there must have been some definite perimeters which could have acted as guidelines for the time frame. Have you looked into the new discovery called the Bible Code.There are computer programs for the old testament, maybe hidden in the text of the Torah the dates could be revealed. I do not know if any work has been done in the new testament with Bible codes. There are a lot of books on this subject, one book being The Bible Code by John Weldon. What date have you readjusted your estimation from May 31 1998 and why? If this date is wrong does that put out all the other dates as well, dates such as the tribulation's beginning and end. Have you by any chance written any new books on the readjustment of the dates? Thanks to the answers to these questions. Sincerely

My reply

I can tell that you have not been reading my Pro and Cons or you would know the answers to all these things.

My date for the Rapture always was the weakest link. It came last in the figuring, so it does not affect the other dates. The Rapture has to come before the Tribulation, which I think will begin on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. The shortened Tribulation lasts 2300 days (Dan. 8:14) and ends on the Feast of Trumpets in 2007.

That day, the Jewish Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept 13, 2007), is, I think, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. That was the first day I found indicated by the clues I found in Scripture. It is in the 40th year since the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War of 1967. The Jewish 5727 + 40 = 5767, the last day of which will be Sept. 12, 2007, the end of this age. From the next day, the Feast of Trumpets, when the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth, I counted back the 2300 days, using Jewish inclusive reckoning, and landed on the Feast of Weeks, a perfect time for the Seventieth Week of Daniel to start.

That timing seems pretty secure since there must be seven months (Ezek. 39:12) between the catastrophe on the 2300th day and the return of Christ on the following Nisan 1 (Ezek. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:1-3). The seven months between the first day of the Jewish Civil Year and the Jewish Regnal/Sacred Year means that this must be a Jewish leap year. Those come approximately every three years, so you can't move it backward or forward a year or two and have it fit. Also, there is no other time left now within the 40 years that there are 2300 days between the Feast of Weeks and the Feast of Trumpets six years later.

Then I figured the Pre-Trib Rapture. From Song of Solomon 2:10-14, I thought Pentecost, in the spring, was indicated. Verse 11 says, "the winter is past, the rain is over and gone." This is the latter rain of Nisan. The word used in Scripture for the latter rain means spring showering. In the spring, there would be green figs and the firstripe grapes. April showers would bring May flowers. Also, the feasts of Nisan are in the month of the latter rain, the feasts of Tishri are in the month of the former rain. This eliminates all the main feasts except Pentecost.

As several of us have found out since, the clues there can also apply to summer. There is a turtledove that migrates from Europe that comes back to Israel in the fall. The following is what "Mr. Caps" emailed me:

"It spends the Summer in Central Europe and Central Asia. In the winter it migrates to North Africa and the Middle East. The Turtledove therefore would "head south" when the colder winds started up north.This would fit a FALL timing for the arrival of this bird in the land of Israel. This bird makes a "cooing" sound.A reference to this same bird can be found in Jer. 8:7.."the TURTLEDOVE..observes the TIME of his COMING; but my people know not the judgement of the Lord."

Since the time of the coming of the turtledove is equated with the judgment of the Lord, it seems to indicate the Feast of Trumpets. Since this feast is on Tishri 1, when the former rains begin in Israel, I think the Eve of Trumpets would be a more likely time for the Rapture. It would also fit the parable of the barren fig tree of Luke 13:6-9. The four years mentioned would be the Jewish 5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761 (our 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001). Therefore, I am going to be watching on that date, which is Sept. 20, 1998. I think Eve was taken out of Adam's body on the Eve of Trumpets, and this "kosmos" began to operate on Tishri 1. That would fit the Bride of Christ being taken out of the Body of Christ on the Eve of Trumpets.

If the Rapture does not take place on that date, I will be watching next Pentecost. Luke 13:6-9 mentions three years and then one year more. I took this to mean the Rapture would probably happen four years, by Jewish inclusive reckoning, before the Tribulation began. However, it could be that it would be three years before the Tribulation. The other year is separate, and could be the first year of the Tribulation since the fig tree (Israel) is to be dug about and dunged that year. We will have to wait patiently and stay ready, whenever it is.

I did not consider that the Lord might tarry. The parable of the ten virgins in Mt. 25:1-13 says, "While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept." However, it is possible that Satan is being given time to sift us as wheat. Jesus told Peter that Satan desired to sift him as wheat. This might be a very important time. We must stay strong and watch.

In the parable, something caused the ten virgins to take their lamps and go forth to meet the Bridegroom. Then the Bridegroom tarried (Mt. 25:2,5). That fits what has happened to all of us that expected the Rapture last Pentecost. We are still waiting for that midnight call. We must keep our lamps burning brightly and be sure we have plenty of the oil of the Holy Spirit. If this is a testing period, we want to end up being wise virgins, not foolish ones. Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Much has been searched for in the Bible Codes. Rapture ("natzal") is there. What makes it hard about a date is that each letter in the Hebrew has a numerical coefficient. That is a lot of numbers.

I have not written any books but the three mentioned on my Web site. It takes too long to get a book into print. I don't think the Rapture will be that long in coming. For instance, I sent Avon Books the MSS for my third book near the end of August, 1996. They published the book Jan. 1, 1998. Instead, I use my Web site to discuss Bible prophecy. This will be posted on Pro and Con 167 with your name deleted.

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