Pro and Con 1676

Posted 12-29-2012


FROM A POST ON FIVE DOVES SITE, RE: Marilyn Agee (28 Dec 2012) "Re: Nicole (20 Dec 2012) "To Marilyn Agee: I respectfully disagree with your study of Christ's Conception and Birth"

Marilyn, You and I are coming from the study from two different perspectives. I am using a scientific study to verify Christ's conception and birth. And this is from a scientifically re-created calendar going back to "fix" the error with the Hallel issue when the calendar was skewed. It is and they have retraced the data and it verifies that Jesus was conceived on 9/11 3BC. Using the data, it ties to the torahcalendar of Christ's conception. And then he shows from there that Jesus live birth was on 6/17 2BC and the wise men found him on Christmas 12/25 2BC. Going back to the torah calendar, this day of Christmas was the 4th day of Hanukkah and it ties to them giving Jesus gifts as He is in the center of the lampstands (menorah).

I also find that Jesus as He was born in June (live birth...Jews believe that the birth date is really their conception date however) is that his birthstone is Pearl. And in the Bible Jesus says that He is the door. And I find interesting that there is a large Pearl at each of the 12 gates in Heaven.

This is where I am getting my data, and since we are coming from two different perspectives, our data will never converge. I respect your thesis on Jesus conception and birth, but I am not in agreement as I try to find scientific evidence to support what I believe and then tie it back to scripture. The man at shows that most scholars get the conception and birth of Jesus wrong because they did not tie back key data relating to Herod and the writings of Josephus. I purchased his video and watched it.


The Star of Bethlehem Movie


> > "To Marilyn Agee: I respectfully disagree with your study of Christ's Conception and Birth
> > Marilyn, You and I are coming from the study from two different perspectives. I am using a scientific study to verify Christ's conception and birth. And this is from a scientifically re-created calendar going back to "fix" the error with the Hallel issue when the calendar was skewed. It is and they have retraced the data and it verifies that Jesus was conceived on 9/11 3BC. Using the data, it ties to the torahcalendar of Christ's conception. And then he shows from there that Jesus live birth was on 6/17 2BC and the wise men found him on Christmas 12/25 2BC. Going back to the torah calendar, this day of Christmas was the 4th day of Hanukkah and it ties to them giving Jesus gifts as He is in the center of the lampstands (menorah).

Thanks so MUCH for the link to the Torah Calendar. It inspired me to make new chart using it and a few other sources. This is my most accurate chart yet, inspired by you.

Of course, you can believe what you want. Our salvation does not depend on understanding these dates correctly. However, I disagree on Jesus being conceived on 9/11 3 BC and his being born on 6/17 2 BC. You will see why in this new chart. There are a lot of things we should take into consideration.



Luk 3:1,23: "in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar... Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age"


31 BC, SEPT 2, BATTLE OF ACTIUM. "Octavian's victory enabled him to consolidate his power over Rome and its dominions. To that end, he adopted the title of Princeps ("first citizen") and some years after the victory was awarded the title of Augustus by the Roman Senate. This became the name by which he was known in later times. As Augustus, he would retain the trappings of a restored Republican leader; however, historians generally view this consolidation of power and the adoption of these honorifics as the end of the Roman Republic and the beginning of the Roman Empire."

"Octavian's victory at the Battle of Actium gave him sole and uncontested control of "Mare Nostrum" (Our Sea i.e. the Roman Mediterannean) and he became "Augustus Caesar" and the "first citizen" of Rome. This victory, consolidating his power over every Roman institution, marked the transition of Rome from Republic to Empire. Egypt's final surrender following Cleopatra's death also marks the final demise of both the Hellenistic Period and the Ptolemaic Kingdom." (

"In the eighteenth year of his reign (20-9 BC), Herod rebuilt the Second Temple in Jerusalem on "a more magnificent scale".[2] The new Temple was finished in a year and a half, although work on out-buildings and courts continued another eighty years. To comply with religious law, Herod employed a thousand priests as masons and carpenters for the rebuilding. The finished temple, which was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, is often referred to as Herod's Temple." (

"On the death of Lepidus (12 BC), the failed third Triumvir, who had been shunted aside with the conciliatory position of pontifex maximus, Augustus assumed that highest of all religious positions for himself.

"Perhaps the highest point came in 2 BC when the senate granted Augustus a new honour. He was henceforth pater patriae, the father of the country." (

Josephus, Ant.XV. XI. 1,5-7: "Herod, in the EIGHTEENTH YEAR (i.e., 20 BC) of his reign, and after the acts already mentioned, undertook a very great work, that is, TO BUILD OF HIMSELF THE TEMPLE OF GOD, and make it larger in compass...he took care of the cloisters and the outer enclosures; and these he built in eight years. But THE TEMPLE ITSELF WAS BUILT BY THE PRIESTS IN A YEAR AND SIX MONTHS...It is also reported, that during the time that the temple was building, IT DID NOT RAIN IN THE DAY TIME, but that the showers fell in the nights, so that the work was not hindered".


21 BC, 17th (3742) Caesar made Herod procurator of all Syria in the 10th year after 1st games at Actium
20 BC, Temple construction began, building materials assembled.
19 BC, 1st year of Temple construction, the temple proper was finished in 1.5 years, construction of other things on the Temple Mount had taken 46 years by 27 AD
18 BC, 2nd year of Temple construction
17 BC, 3rd year of Temple construction
16 BC, 4th year of Temple construction
15 BC, 5th year of Temple construction
14 BC, 6th year of Temple construction
13 BC, 7th year of Temple construction
12 BC, 8th year of Temple construction
11 BC, 9th year of Temple construction
10 BC, 10th year of Temple construction
9 BC, 11th year of Temple construction
8 BC, 12th year of Temple construction



According to Josephus, a Pharisee priest, the lampstand in the Temple represented the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Our 3 heavens are Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.
Paul was caught up to the 3rd Heaven, Saturn (Paradise) (II Cor 12:2-4)


6 BC, 14th year of Temple construction, Febuary 25, Earth's 3 heavens, 1. Mars, 2. Jupiter and 3. Saturn, came to within 8 degrees of each other in PISCES (this only happens every 800 yrs).
--6 BC, Wed, 15 Sep, Julian: 1,453,673


--6 BC, Mon 6 Dec, Julian: 1,453,755, Kislev 24, 3751 (385 day yr), 14th year of Temple construction

Hag 2:18,19 says, "Consider (sum labab, take it to heart) now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation (JESUS, 1Co 3:11) of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. 19 Is the seed (zera, seed or child) yet in the barn? (a saying, meaning is she pregnant) yea (i.e., YES, Jesus was conceived), as yet the vine (Jesus), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate (meaning upright), and the olive tree (Israel with the Gentiles grafted in), hath not brought forth (NASA, lifted up): from (min, after) this day will I bless you" (i.e., Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24, and the Rapture will be after that Kislev 24).

1Co_3:11 says, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."


5 BC, A NOVA, MEANING "NEW STAR," ACTUALLY AN EXPLODING STAR, WAS SEEN IN CAPRICORN. It probably was what the wise men had been watching for.

The Chinese recorded it, it was seen close to Alpha and Beta Capricornii March 10, and was visible 70 days. JESUS' death and resurrection are pictured in CAPRICORNUS. The Lord named the stars. The 2nd brightest star is DENEB AL GEDI, meaning THE LORD, OR SACRIFICE, COMETH.


Hos. 6:3 says, "he shall COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."

His First Advent is as the Former Rain in Israel, Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets that begins their Civil Year when the sun is in VIRGO.

His Second Advent is as the Latter Rain, Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year in the spring (Eze, 29:17,21), when the sun is in ARIES (March 21 to April 20), the LAMB pictures Jesus as the Lamb of the tribe of Judah. Aries means battle strife. The brightest star is El Natik, the wounded or slain. Second brightest is Al Sheratan, meaning the bruised.

At the time of the Crucifixion, the unnatural darkness may have been to give the people a vivid view of Aries. Those 2 stars would have stood out.

--5 BC, Another Nova was also seen near the star Altair, meaning the flier or flying (eagle)


--5 BC, March 25, Julian 1,453,865, Feast of Firstfruits, John the Baptist born
--5 BC, MON 4 SEP, JESUS BORN, Julian: 1,454,028, Tishri 1, 3757, Feast of Trumpets (354 day yr), (SABBATIC YEAR) (273-day gestation), 15th year of Temple construction


--5 BC, 15th year of Temple construction
--5 BC, Sat 25 Nov, Julian: 1,454,110, Kislev 24, 3753 (355 day yr)
--5 BC, Josephus (Ant. XVII, ii, 4) event: 'when all the people of the Jews gave assurance of their goodwill to Caesar, and to the king's government, these very men [the Pharisees] did not swear, being above six thousand.' From the context of these words in Josephus, this census of allegiance to Caesar Augustus occurred ABOUT ONE YEAR BEFORE THE DEATH OF HEROD THE GREAT
4 BC, 16th year of Temple construction, Herod died between eclipse of Mar. 13 (Adar 25, 3755) and Passover (no other eclipse is possible, because Esther's fast of Adar 13 did not precede them (Josephus Ant. XVII. VI. 4,5; Ant XVII. VIII.1).
Ant. XVII. vi. 4: "Now Now it happened, that during the time of the high priesthood of this Matthias, there was another person made high priest for a single day, that very day which the Jews observe as A FAST (i.e., Esther's Fast, Nisan 13). The occasion was this:--This Matthias the high priest, ON THE NIGHT BEFORE THAT DAY WHEN THE FAST WAS TO BE CELEBRATED, seemed, in a dream, to have conversation with his wife; and because he could not officiate himself on that account, Joseph, the son of Ellemus, his kinsman, assisted him in that sacred office. But Herod deprived this Matthias of the high priesthood, and burnt the other Matthias, who had raised the sedition (i.e., over the eagle Herod placed at the temple), with his companions, alive. AND THAT VERY NIGHT THERE WAS AN ECLIPSE OF THE MOON." (i.e., March 13, 4 BC).

Ant., XVII, viii, 1: Herod "died, the fifth day after he had caused Antipater to be slain; having reigned, since he had procured Antigonus to be slain, thirty-four years; but since he had been declared king by the Romans, thirty-seven."
Wars. I. 33. 8: "So Herod, having survived the slaughter of his son five days, died, having reigned THIRTY FOUR YEARS, since he had caused Antigonus to be slain, and obtained his kingdom; but THIRTY-SEVEN YEARS SINCE HE HAD BEEN MADE KING by the Romans."

Wars. II. I. 1,3: "Now the necessity which Archelaus was under of taking a journey to Rome was the occasion of new disturbances; for when he had mourned for his father seven says, and had given a very expensive funeral the FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, WHICH WAS NOW AT HAND, AND IS BY THE JEWS CALLED THE PASSOVER" (i.e., they ate unleavened bread on Passover).
Fred Espenak, at NASA, listed the Lunar Eclipse as March 13, 4 BC. The correlation is perfect. YourSky shows that March 13, 4 BC was the day of the Full Moon in Virgo. That is necessary for there to be a Lunar Eclipse.
Josephus Ant. XVII. VIII. 4 says, "Now Archelaus paid him so much respect, as to continue his mourning till the seventh day; for so many days are appointed for it by the law of our fathers; and when he had given a treat to the multitude, and LEFT OFF HIS MOURNING, he went up into the temple...and took his seat, in a throne made of gold". He left for Rome to get his kingship confirmed between Unleavened Bread and Pentecost.
"SOLAR AND LUNAR ECLIPSES OF THE ANCIENT NEAR EAST, by M. Kudler by Neukirchen-Bluyn:Verias Butson and Bercker Kevelaer... lunar eclipses: 7 B.C. - No eclipses 6 B.C. - No eclipses 5 B.C. - Total eclipse, March 23 at 8:30 p.m. 5 B.C. - Total eclipse, September 15 at 10:30 p.m.

--4 B.C. - Partial eclipse, March 13 at 2:20 a.m.
(3 B.C. - No eclipses that would fit)
(2 B.C. - No eclipses that would fit)

"During the last years of Augustus' reign, ".....the consuls caused a law to be passed.....that he (Tiberius) should govern the province jointly with Augustus and hold the census with him" (Seutonius Ed. J. C. Rolfe, LCL, 1, p.323). Tiberius began his co-rulership with Augustus in A.D. 12.This means that the 15th year of Tiberius was A.D. 26. There was a two year co-regency from A.D. 12 to A.D. 14"

COINS TELL THE TRUE STORY Herod the Great (ruled 37 BCE - 4 BCE)
"Herod Archelaus (ruled 4 BCE - 6 CE)"
"Herod Antipas (ruled 4 BC-39 AD)"
"Herod Philip II (ruled 4 BC-34 AD)"

"The coins of Herod Philip II are mostly bronze of middle-size. He was the first Jewish ruler to put portraits of himself and the Roman Emperors on his coinage. An early issue has a portrait of the Emperor Augustus, with the Greek inscription 'KAICAPI CEBACTO' on the obverse, and ... on the reverse. Later coins depicted Tiberius on the obverse, with the inscription 'TIBEPIOS SEBAS', and ... on the reverse. Both types had the facade of a four-columned temple on the reverse, possibly the Temple in Jerusalem. The coins are dated according to the year of the Emperor's reign."

Josephus: Herod died shortly after a Lunar eclipse (Ant. XVII. VI. 4), but prior to Passover (Wars. II. I. 3.)
Choice of 3 eclipses: total on Mar 23rd, 5 BC, partial on Mar 13th, 4 BC, total Jan 10th, 1 BC
--4 BC, Sat 23 Sep, Julian: 1,454,412, Tishri 1, 3754, 16th year of Temple construction, NO SIGN of Rev 12 in the sky
--4 BC, Fri 14 Dec, Julian: 1,454,494, Kislev 24, 3755, Jesus 1
3 BC, Thu 12 Sept, Julian 1,454,766, Tishri 1, 3756, 17th year of Temple construction, NO SIGN of Rev 12 in the sky
--3 BC, Wed 4 Dec, Julian: 1,454,849, Kislev 24, 3757, Jesus 2
2 BC, Wed 1 Oct, Julian: 1,455,150, Tishri 1, 3758, 18th year of Temple construction, NO SIGN of Rev 12 in the sky
--2 BC, Tue 22 Dec, Julian: 1,455,232, Kislev 24, 3759, (Sabbatic Year) Jesus 3
1 BC, Sun 19 Sep, Julian: 1,455,504, Tishri 1, 3760, 19th year of Temple construction, NO SIGN of Rev 12 in the sky
-- 1 BC, Fri 10 Dec, Julian: 1,455,586, Kislev 24, 3761, Jesus 4

1 AD, Tishri 1, 3762, 20th year of Temple construction, Jesus 5
2 AD, Tishri 1, 3763, 21st year of Temple construction, Jesus 6
3 AD, Tishri 1, 3764, 22nd year of Temple construction, Jesus 7
4 AD, Tishri 1, 3765, 23rd year of Temple construction, Jesus 8
5 AD, Tishri 1, 3766, (Sabbatic Year) 24th year of Temple construction, Jesus 9
6 AD, Tishri 1, 3767, 25th year of Temple construction, Jesus 10 (Sabbatic Year) 37th year since Battle of Actium, when the taxings (on Sept 2, anniversary of Actium) concluded
7 AD, Tishri 1, 3768, 26th year of Temple construction, Jesus 11
8 AD, Tishri 1, 3769, 27th year of Temple construction, Jesus 12
9 AD, Tishri 1, 3770, 28th year of Temple construction, Jesus 13
10 AD, Tishri 1, 3771, 29th year of Temple construction, Jesus 14
11 AD, Tishri 1, 3772, 30th year of Temple construction, Jesus 15

This coin has head of Tiberius on one side and head of Augustus on the other side. It was minted in 13 AD

"From A.D. 4 to 14 Tiberius was clearly Augustus's successor. When he was adopted, he also received grants of proconsular power and tribunician power; and in A.D. 13 his proconsular power was made co-extensive with that of Augustus. [11] In effect, Tiberius was now co-princeps with Augustus so that when the latter finally died on 19 August A.D. 14, Tiberius's position was unassailable and the continuation of the Principate a foregone conclusion. After 55 years living at the behest of his stepfather, Tiberius finally assumed the mantle of sole power." (

12 AD, Tishri 1, 3773, (Sabbatic Year) 1ST YEAR OF TIBERIUS, CO-REX WITH AUGUSTUS, Jesus 16, 31st year of Temple construction
13 AD, Tishri 1, 3774, 2nd year of Tiberius, Co-Rex with Augustus, Jesus 17, coin with heads of Augustus and Tiberius, 32nd year of Temple construction
14 AD, Tishri 1, 3775, 3rd year of Tiberius, Sole-Rex, Augustus died, Jesus 18, 33rd year of Temple construction
15 AD, Tishri 1, 3776, 4th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 19, 34th year of Temple construction
16 AD, Tishri 1, 3777, 5th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 20, 35th year of Temple construction
17 AD, Tishri 1, 3778, 6th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 21, 36th year of Temple construction
18 AD, Tishri 1, 3779, 7th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 22, 37th year of Temple construction
19 AD, Tishri 1, 3780, 8th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 23, 38th yr of Temple construction (Sabbatic Year)
20 AD, Tishri 1, 3781, 9th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 24, 39th year of Temple construction
21 AD, Tishri 1, 3782, 10th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 25, 40th year of Temple construction
22 AD, Tishri 1, 3783, 11th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 26, 41st year of Temple construction
23 AD, Tishri 1, 3784, 12th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 27, 42nd year of Temple construction
24 AD, Tishri 1, 3785, 13th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 28, 43rd year of Temple construction
25 AD, Tishri 1, 3786, 14th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 29, 44th year of Temple construction


THIS SABBATIC YEAR CANNOT BE MOVED. 3787 DIVIDES BY 7 EQUALLY, THEREFORE THIS JUBILEE YEAR CANNOT BE MOVED. It was the last Jubilee kept by Israel before the Temple was burned in 70 AD.

Luk 3:1,22,23 "in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius...Jesus also being baptized... Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age"

26 AD, 15th year of Tiberius, Jesus baptized near Tishri 1, 45th yr of Temple construction
--Mon 2 Sep, Julian 1,464,983, Tishri 1, 3787 (SABBATIC YEAR), Jesus 30, when priests begin ministry
--Sat 7 Sep, Julian 1,464,988, Tishri 6, 3787, Jesus announced the coming JUBILEE YEAR

Isa 61:1,2, Jesus said, "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable (ratson, favour, from ratsah, pardon, i.e., the Jubilee) year of the LORD"

27 AD, 28 Mar, Julian 1,465,190, Nisan 1, 3788, JUBILEE YEAR began
--10 Apr, Julian 1,465,203, Nisan 14, 3787, 1st Passover of Jesus' ministry, John 2:13
--Sun 21 Sep, Julian: 1,465,367, Tishri 1, 3788, 46th year of Temple construction

28 AD, Nisan 14, 3788, 2nd Passover of Jesus' ministry, John 5:1
29 AD, Mon 18 Apr, Julian 1,465,942, Nisan 14, 3789, 3rd Passover of Jesus' ministry, John 6:4

30 AD, Thu 6 Apr, Julian (1,466,295), Nisan 13, 3790 (354 day) Preparation Day for 4th Passover of Jesus' ministry (John 12:1), 1st day, orig. Fast of (Esther 4:16) (our son David's birthday)
--Fri 7 Apr, Julian: 1,466,296, Nisan 14, 3790, Passover, 2nd day, orig. Fast of Esther
--Sat 8 Apr, Julian: 1,466,297, Nisan 15, 3790, Unleavened Bread, 3rd day, orig. Fast of Esther, Israel left Rameses
--Sun 9 Apr, Julian: 1,466,298, Nisan 16, 3790, Firstfruits, Annual Sabbath, Jesus' Resurrection
--Sun 28 May, Julian: 1,466.347, Sivan 6, Pentecost, counting Omer 1 on Firstfruits
--Mon 29 May, Julian: 1455.348, Sivan 7, Feast of Weeks, counting Omer 1 on day after Firstfruits (our daughter Carol's birthday). Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: From Out Past Jupiter, Comet ISON Comes Heralding the Son of God

Just as he first came into this world heralded by a 'heavenly light' He shall come again with his coming heralded by the greatest comet of them all. Even the name of this visitor from 'out past Jupiter' identifies the coming King. ISON actually declares 'I'm the son'

Written in Hebrew, ISON implies both male gender and the past-present tense; ISON declares the glory of Jesus Christ and proclaims both his First and Second Advent as the alpha and omega. Merry Christmas Marilyn, I thought you might like to know the comet comes from Saturn. Agape


The first is Dr. Diane M. Komp - Professor Emeritus Hematology/Oncology Pediatrics Yale University School of Medicine

Dr. Komp was a pediatric oncologist who taught at Yale University School of Medicine before retiring.

She wrote several books, and a good one to begin with is A WINDOW TO HEAVEN.
It tells of her experiences with the little children that were soon to die. Some knew exactly who would be there to greet them when they got to Heaven. One child told his mother that his grandfather told him that he would meet him. She told her little one that he never knew him, as his grandfather died before the little one was born. Nevertheless, he was able to pick out his picture in their photo album. It was one taken of his grandfather when he was a young man. This is a truly a wonderful little book.

There was an article in the Reader's Digest a number of years ago about BOB HOPE who recently passed on.

Bob Hope said that as he was reading in his living room alone at home, his father came into the room. At the moment, he thought nothing unusual about seeing him and he greeted him. His dad said that as he had to leave he wanted to say goodbye to Bob. Soon after his dad walked out of the room, Bob Hope realized that his father lived several hundred miles from his home. So he immediately phoned home and was told that his father had just passed away.

ARTHUR GODFREY had an excellent testimony. He ranks as one of the important on-air stars of the first decade of American television. Prior to 1959 there was no bigger TV luminary than Godfrey, a ukelele playing, host/pitchman. Through most of the decade of the 1950s, Godfrey hosted a daily radio program and appeared in two top-ten prime time television shows, all for CBS.

Arthur Godfrey was in the submarine service during in World War II. One night while traveling submerged in enemy waters he was in his bunk sleeping. At about one o'clock in the morning he was awakened by his father who was at the foot of his bunk. He told his son Arthur that he wanted to say good bye before he had to leave.

After his father was gone Arthur quickly made a notation in his note pad, putting down the date and time of his dad's appearance. Weeks later when he got into the home port he called home and was told that his father had died at the precise date and time that he saw him last in the submarine.

I'll mention very briefly another testimony of Dr. Gerard Landry who was always in good health, but one morning he had a sudden massive heart attack. He was taken to Heaven and he spoke to Jesus who told him that he would have to return to earth, but he would not suffer any heart damage.

Dr. Landry was perfectly healed with no damage to his heart that could be found in tests. Also he previously had some minor skin condition that he had for a period of time and this was completely healed.

14:1-3 "Let not your heart be troubled. You are trusting God, now trust in me.

There are many homes up there where my Father lives, and I am going to prepare them for your coming.

When everything is ready, then I will come and get you, so that you can always be with me where I am. If this weren't so, I would tell you plainly.
Yours in Christ, Paul N. F.


I can add a bit to this list. Heaven is real. Hell is real. Celestial bodies are real, and they can walk through a wall.

When we had our Spring Crest Drapery store, a customer had died and gone to Heaven-and had come back. He knew Heaven was real. He had died during heart surgery.

Our rep for one brand of carpet had the same kind of thing happen to him. He had had a heart attack. His experience totally changed his life. He went on his rounds calling on customers every day talking about Jesus. He was sent back to tell people what happened to him.

Soon after we sold the store, a man and his wife visited me at our house. He had read my book and wanted to talk to me. He had to drive about 40 miles too, but he felt like he had to tell me of his experience. He died and went to hell, and came back. That changed his life too. I remember that he was a painter and a part-time gold miner. He didn't make a lot at that, but he knew he could find enough gold by panning to get by.

Most people that go to hell see fire, but for him, it was thick darkness, so thick that he was so totally alone it was shockingly scary. He couldn't see anything. After that, he accepted Jesus, carried his Bible around with him in his car, and talked to people about Jesus wherever he went.

My husband died Dec 27, 2011. He flew to heaven that day.

On April 2, 2012, he was allowed to appear to me in his celestial body. He walked into the bedroom fast with an ear-to-ear grin on his face and came up between the dresser and bed. He was dressed in a black suit that appeared to be silk. It was thinner than any suit material I had ever seen. It had a sheen and flowed around his shin like silk. He may have had on a black shirt, I don't know, but his clothing was all black. It hung on his shoulders, waist, arms and legs as if his body was solid.

I was propped up on pillows getting ready to watch TV, but hadn’t turned it on yet. I asked him to get on the bed with me so I could hug him, but uncharacteristically, he didn't. He just stood by my head. I got the message really fast — "No touch," and started asking him questions as fast as I could get them out of my mouth.

"Are you 30 or 33? He said, "33." He was 87 when he died, but looked exactly as he had when 33.

"Can we be together forever? He said, "Yes." That was what I needed so desperately to know. I couldn't be happy otherwise. We had been married almost 65 years without ever having a fight.

I am happy with the way my life is turning out. I said, "Yes" to Jesus and to Ed when he asked me to marry him on the fourth day we got together. Now, I will get to be with them both forever.

I asked Ed, "Are there female angels in Heaven?" He said, "Yes."
The Bible only mentions angels in the masculine gender.
I asked, "Have you gotten with your family?" He said, "Yes."
I asked, "Have you gotten with my family?" He said, "Yes."
I asked, "Do you have a piano?" He said, "Yes" and walked through the wall.

I certainly know that Heaven is real, and what the celestial body is like. It looks entirely normal, but it isn't. It can walk through walls. Even the clothing can go through the wall. Agape

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