Pro and Con 1698

Posted 4-2-13



Oct. 10, 2012, by Daniel Noe

Abbas and Abdullah sign Jerusalem protection pact

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Jordanian King Abdullah II have signed an agreement to "defend Jerusalem and its holy sites...

Abbas and Abdullah discussed ways to coordinate in order to protect religious sites in Jerusalem - both Christian and Muslim.

The agreement, he said, confirmed both Jordan's role as protector of the city's holy sites and "Palestinian sovereignty over all of Palestine, including its capital East Jerusalem."


Among other things, "PEACE for the Middle East, and particularly between Israelis and Palestinians, who struggle to find the road of agreement, that they may willingly and courageously resume negotiations to end a conflict that has lasted all too long"

Natural gas from Israel's recently discovered, sizable fields begins flowing


Is Passover tomorrow Thursday March 28, 2013 Does this mean this is a year of Perfect Order? March 27, 2013

In my last post I gave my opinion that the Apocalypse could start on Passover to continue the prophecy of Daniel’s 70 week of years right where it was stopped.

The article below explains the possible dates for Passover for this year. At the time of this writing it is 6.03 PM of March 27 the Biblical date of Passover.

Time will tell if this Passover brings forth the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27 or not. Thanks to Friedrich Wenz for this article.

If Passover starts today and extends to tomorrow at 6 PM then this is a year of Perfect Order that fulfills the perfect year for the correct order in the designated feasts of Israel following the same pattern of the year of the crucifixion and the year of the Exodus. If the last week of Daniel starts in this year then the Second Coming is on the year 2020. The link below takes you to the article on the year of Perfect Order where the author wrongly concludes that the year 2020 is the next year of perfect order and consequently the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The second part he has right , it is the year of the Second Coming, seven years after this year the year of Perfect Order that starts the Tribulations. Please read the article below to comprehend the enormous importance of this kind of year in God’s plan. By the way tonight is full moon.


Hi Nando: I am trying to understand what you were saying.

> > Is Passover tomorrow Thursday March 28, 2013 Does this mean this is a year of Perfect Order? March 27, 2013

What is a "year of Perfect Order"?

To try to understand, I went to:


However, I can trust the Torah Calendar:

"The most wonderful aspect of this calendar is that it allows the ability to find a particular date back into antiquity for B.C years."

Hebrew years during the lifetime of Christ will be wrong. The Torah Calendar has been adjusted so the years of Christ's life are correct.

The problem with most modern calendar programs is they extrapolate the present day Hillel II calendar backward. Hillel added some postponements. This causes a 2-day error in their Hebrew Calendar in the time of Christ. To use most modern calendar programs, add 2 days to the Hebrew date and then the rest will be correct.

"The last year of perfect order opened on Thursday, March 26, 2009, Nisan 1, Jewish year 5769. The next year of perfect order will open 11 years later - on Thursday, March 26, 2020, Nisan 1, Jewish year 5780. The next such years after that will open on Nisan 1, 2023, followed by Nisan 1, 2026/2027."

Then is a year of perfect order just a year that Nisan 1 happens to fall on Thursday? or does it also have to happen on March 26?

"In the Bible, Spring is the season of "the latter rain." Hosea 6:3 in the NASV promises the nation of Israel: "…His going forth is as certain as the dawn; And He will come to us like the rain, Like the spring rain watering the earth." Spring is also the season that "the Bridegroom" entreats His Bride (both Israel and His New Testament Bride) … "For, behold, the winter is past; the rain is over and gone. The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing [of birds] has come, and the voice of the turtledove is heard in our land. The fig tree puts forth and ripens her green figs, and the vines are in blossom and give forth their fragrance. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away." SOS 2:11-13 Amplified Bible"

Jesus does come as the rain. He came as the former rain on Tishri 1, 3757, Sept. 4, 5 BC. He will return as the latter rain on Nisan 1, probably on April 9, 2016. It is important for us to remember that the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1.

Hos 6:1-3 says, "Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. 2 After two days (yom, day, age, days agone, season, year, i.e., 2000 years) will he revive us: in the third day (i.e., the third millennium, the 3rd 1000-year day) he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. 3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter (Tishri 1) and former rain (Nisan 1) unto the earth."

April 9, 2016, Nisan 1, 5776, will be the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee year. The year before a Jubilee Year has to be a Sabbatic Year, and 5775 is Sabbatic.

Song of Solomon 2:10f shows that the rain of Nisan is over and gone at the time of the first Rapture. Therefore, I think a First-Trump Rapture on Ascension Day, Iyar 25, May 5, 2013, would fit Song of Solomon.

The article says, "Nisan 10 falls on Sabbath, and is called the Tzav Haggadol / Shabbos HaGadol by the rabbis, which means "The Great Sabbath" as it is always the Sabbath that just precedes Passover, the day on which the Lord instructed Moses that Israel "must take a lamb for a house...for four days" in Exodus 12:3. That is the reason Yeshua Messiah, the Lamb of God, rode into Jerusalem on the "donkey's colt" NOT ON SUNDAY, BUT ON THE SABBATH, PALM SABBATH - at the beginning of 'the Passion Week,' in John 12. ("Six days before the Passover" in John 12:1,according to the Jews, always begins on Thursday - Nisan 15, and counting backwards by 6 days, falls on Sabbath, Nisan 10.)"

I disagree with this article. In 30 AD, Nisan 10 was Monday. Jesus rode on the donkey on Sunday. The Crucifixion was on Nisan 13, Thursday, the preparation day for the Passover, Nisan 14. Jesus died on the preparation of the Passover.

Joh_19:14 says, "And it was the PREPARATION of the passover, and about the sixth hour (9 AM Roman time): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

The Crucifixion was on Thursday, when food preparation for the upcoming feast days had to be done. Friday was Passover, an annual Sabbath, "an high day". Saturday was Unleavened Bread, both an annual Sabbath and the Saturday Sabbath. Sunday was Firstfruits, an annual Sabbath.

Joh_19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (i.e., Nisan 13), that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was AN HIGH DAY, [i.e., Passover, Nisan 14]) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

Lev 23:4,5 says, "These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations (miqra, something called out, a REHEARSAL, an assembly, i.e., annual Sabbaths), which ye shall proclaim in their seasons (moed, appointment, appointed SIGN, FIXED TIME). 5 In the FOURTEENTH DAY of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover."

Passover begins at 6 PM on Nisan 13, and lasts until 6 PM on Nisan 14.

> > In my last post I gave my opinion that the Apocalypse could start on Passover to continue the prophecy of Daniel’s 70 week of years right where it was stopped.

What do you mean, "the Apocalypse"? What do you think could start on Passover?

Rev 1:1 says, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ." The word translated "Revelation" is apokalupsis, "From G601; disclosure: - appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation." G601 is apokalupto, to take off the cover, that is, disclose: -reveal.

Wikipedia says, "An apocalypse (Ancient Greek: meaning 'un-covering'), translated literally from Greek, is a disclosure of knowledge, hidden from humanity in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e., a lifting of the veil or revelation, although this sense did not enter English until the 14th century.[1] In religious contexts it is usually a disclosure of something hidden. In the Revelation of John (Greek Apocalypsis Ioannou), the last book of the New Testament, the revelation which John receives is that of the ultimate victory of good over evil and the end of the present age, and that is the primary meaning of the term, one that dates to 1175.[1] Today, it is commonly used in reference to any prophetic revelation or so-called End Time scenario, or to the end of the world in general."

> > Time will tell if this Passover brings forth the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27 or not.

Dan 9:26 says, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah (i.e., Jesus) be cut off (karath, perish, i.e., he was killed on Thu. Nisan 13), but not for himself: and the people (i.e., the Romans) of the prince (nagiyd, miitary or religious chief ruler) that shall come (i.e., the False Prophet) shall destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (qodesh, sacred place or thing, i.e., the Temple); and the end thereof shall be with a flood (sheteph, deluge, overflowing, i.e., a tsunami, cause by a mountain-sized piece of Satan's asteroid Wormwood hitting the NE Mediterranean Sea, Rev 8:8-11), and unto the end of the war (i.e., Armageddon) desolations are determined."

Then Dan 9:27 says, "And he (i.e., the Roman prince, the False Prophet, probably the religious chief, the Pope) shall confirm (gabar, STRENGTHEN) THE COVENANT (he beriyth, THE confederacy, covenant, league) with many for one week (i.e., 7 years): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice (zebach, slaughter of an animal) and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (shiqquts, idols) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

> > Passover (Pessach) will begin this Wednesday night March 27, 2013 at sunset…

Pope Francis was inaugurated Nisan 8, 5773, March 19-13.
Passover, Nisan 14, 5773, was Mon. March 25, 2013

> > If Passover starts today and extends to tomorrow at 6 PM then this is a year of Perfect Order that fulfills the perfect year for the correct order in the designated feasts of Israel following the same pattern of the year of the crucifixion

Oh, then a year of perfect order is when it follows the pattern of 30 AD.

In 30 AD
Nisan 13 was Thursday, Apr. 6, Preparation of the Passover, the Crucifixion.
Nisan 14 was Friday, Apr. 7, Passover.
Nisan 15 was Saturday, Apr. 8, Unleavened Bread.
Nisan 16 was Sunday, Apr. 9, Firstfruits.

In 2013, Nisan 14 was Monday, March 25, Passover, so it is not a year of perfect order.

> > If the last week of Daniel starts in this year then the Second Coming is on the year 2020.

Maybe you are calling the last week of Daniel the Apocalypse, i.e., the Tribulation.

In 2020, Nisan 1, 5780 is Thu, March 26. That cannot be the Jubilee Year, because a Jubilee Year has to follow a Sabbatic Year. 5775 is Sabbatic.

The year Christ returns should be a Jubilee Year, because all the Israelites will be given back their inherited plot of land. Debts will be forgiven, etc. It should also be a Regnal Year.

I think the Second Coming will be Sat. April 9, 2016, Nisan 1, 5776, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years.
April 9 will be the Anniversary of Jesus' resurrection on April 9, 30 AD. It will be on the Sabbath, and Jesus said he was Lord of the Sabbath.

Mat_12:8 says, "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."

Mat_12:11,12 says, "And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? 12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days."

> > the original crucifixion was on Wednesday with the Resurrection on the Sabbath Day.

I think the crucifixion was on Thursday and the Resurrection was on Sunday, the first day of the week.

Mar_16:9 says, "Now when JESUS WAS RISEN EARLY THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene".

The Crucifixion was on Thursday, and Jesus arose on Sunday.

Joh_19:14 And it was the PREPARATION (Thursday) OF THE PASSOVER (Friday), and about the sixth hour (9 AM, Roman time): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

Mat_12:40 says, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

They were Thursday, DAY; Friday, night and DAY; Saturday, night and DAY; and Sunday, night.

> > me: "But we were taught Friday to Sunday."

I was too, but that is wrong. I studied this for years.

I went to:

The post is by Nehemia Gordon. I recognize that name. He goes out to see if they have abib barley in time for the Feast of Firstfruits each year.

I am going by the HIllel II Hebrew Calendar.
"With US Secretary of State John Kerry trying to push Jerusalem and Ramallah back to the negotiating table, US officials have reportedly proposed convening a four-way summit to jump start Israeli-Palestinian peace talks in May."

In May would be perfect. It should follow the Rapture (which might be May 5).

May 5 is Ascension Day, Iyar 25, and the Eastern Orthodox Easter SUNDAY.

Rev 1:8-19 says, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (SUNDAY), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

The Holy Fire should appear shortly after 2 PM on Holy Saturday in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. It appears above the stone covering Jesus' grave.

That Holy Fire might announce the presence of Jesus on Earth to gather his bride. He appeared to Moses in fire. He appeared over the Tabernacle in fire.

Exo_3:2 says, "And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed."

The Son of God is the "angel of the LORD."

Joh_1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." Agape


Gino (2 Apr 2013)"RE: John B: 03.28.13"

John, That was a very unique approach. I had not considered that the seals may have long since been opened. Your argument about the rejoicing is compelling. Thank you for sending me the link to read it. Gino


I don't see how any of the seals could have already been opened. Jesus is not given the seven-sealed book until after the First-Trump Rapture. The seals begin to be opened in Rev. 6. What appears in Rev 4.1 has to take place before Rev 6.

Jesus arranged his miracle play, The Revelation of Jesus Christ, around the first Rapture. That is when he will first be revealed. Like in our movies, it has a PREVIEW.


In this miracle play, John, the apostle, is cast as both narrator and actor. The time is the time of the First-Trump Rapture. It is at hand in both the first and last chapters. The Revelation of Jesus Christ was specially written for us today. He will be revealed at the First-Trump Rapture.

Rev 1:3 says, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

Rev 22:10 says, "And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."

Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (SUNDAY), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" (i.e., Jesus, the God/man, both the LORD of the Old Testament and Lord of the New Testament).

Rev 1:19 says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be HEREAFTER" (after the Rapture).

The First-Trump Rapture takes place in Rev 4:1. Everything after the word HEREAFTER happens after the first Rapture, including the breaking of the seals.

To the church of Philadelphia, for whom he had no criticism, he said, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name" (Rev 3:8). Heaven's door is already open. We are waiting for the "COME UP HITHER."


Rev 4:1 says, "After this, (i.e., after Jesus' monologue to the churches) I looked, and, behold, a DOOR was OPENED IN HEAVEN: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be HEREAFTER."


People in different parts of the world have been hearing the sound of trumpets or shofars. Russia had a piece of Satan's former planet explode over the Ural Mountains. We have comet PanSTARRS going through Pisces and heading for Cassiopia, the Bride of Christ. The upper fish in Pisces is also heading for Cassiopia. PanSTARRS will be in Cassiopia in late April and in May.


The scene in the throne room in Heaven is next. Jesus is given the seven-sealed book in Rev 5.

Rev 5:1 says, "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."

Rev 5:7 says, "And he (the Lamb, Jesus) came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."

In Rev 5:8-10, it says, "...saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."


Rev 6:1,2 says, "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow (toxon, plain fabric, a sign that he is a man of the cloth, a religious leader); and a crown (stephanos, a chaplet, crown, literally or figuratively) was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer" (nikao, to subdue).


Rev 13:1-10 says, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (i.e., Satan, 'the dragon that is in the sea" Isa 27:1) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns (i.e., then it is during the Tribulation, which follows the Rapture), and upon his heads the name of blasphemy (i.e., Pontifex Maximus). 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (Greece, Dan 7:6), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (Media Persia, Dan 7:5), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon, Dan 7:4): and the dragon (i.e., Satan) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads (i.e., the Holy Roman Empire) as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed (i.e., it became the Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire): and ALL THE WORLD wondered after THE BEAST. 4 And they worshipped the dragon (i.e., Satan) which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? (i.e., the Pope) WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM? (i.e., the world is trying to bring peace to the world) Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth (i.e., he had the mouth of a lion, Babylon, so he is leader of the Harlot Church of Babylon) speaking great things and BLASPHEMIES; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture has already taken place).7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins that were left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 HE THAT LEADETH INTO CAPTIVITY SHALL GO INTO CAPTIVITY: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."



Isa_34:6 says, "The SWORD OF THE LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea."

Jer_12:12 says, "The spoilers are come upon all high places through the wilderness: for the SWORD OF THE LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: NO FLESH SHALL HAVE PEACE."


On the Day of the Lord, when Gog's army attacks Israel, the asteroid Satan lives on called Wormwood will impact Babylon on the Euphrates. A mountain-sized piece will hit the NE Mediterranean Sea. The blast and resulting tsunami will kill all Gog's army all but one sixth, who will flee to Siberia. The Lord will fight for Israel.

Zec 14:1-3 says, "Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle."


Jos 10:12-14 says, "Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. 13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. 14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for THE LORD FOUGHT FOR ISRAEL."

The next time, the Lord will do it. I think that day will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Mon. Sept. 14, 2015.


I am hoping for Ascension Day, the Eastern Orthodox Easter SUNDAY, May 5, 2013.

The Holy Fire should come up from Jesus' grave shortly after 2 PM in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem on Holy Saturday, May 4. That could signal the arrival of Jesus for his Bride.

There are two days on Earth at the same time. So the Rapture might be on May 4th and 5th.


I think it will be on the Feast of Trumpet, Sept. 14, 2015. Those saints will barely make it out of here before God's wrath hits Earth. No wonder the Lord will wipe away their tears. Agape

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