Pro and Con 1704

Posted 4-15-13



By Marilyn Agee
It looks like Moses and Elijah will come to Earth as the First-Trump Rapture takes place on Ascension Day, May 5, 2013. The way I figure it, Mid-Trib should come June 4, 2013. Moses and Elijah will be caught up in the second Rapture, probably Sunday/Monday, Sept 13/14, 2015.

Act 1:9-11 says, "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, HE WAS TAKEN UP; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men (probably Moses and Elijah) stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, SHALL SO COME IN LIKE MANNER as ye have seen him go into heaven."


Transfiguration means a complete change of form or appearance into a more beautiful or spiritual state.

Luk 9:28-31 says, "And it came to pass about an EIGHT DAYS after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and WENT UP into a mountain to pray. 29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared IN GLORY".

Mat 17:1-7 says, "And after six days (i.e., on the 8th day, Sunday) Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and BRINGETH THEM UP INTO AN HIGH MOUNTAIN APART, 2 And was transfigured (metamorphoo, changed, metamorphosed) before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 AND JESUS CAME and touched them, AND SAID, ARISE (egeiro, take up), AND BE NOT AFRAID."

Picturing the last Rapture, Lot and his family were told not to look back. That might be because the great distance would make us feel uncomfortable, whether we are caught up in the first or second Rapture. We should just go with it and not be afraid. We know what Earth looks like without looking back. We have seen pictures of Earth taken from the Space Station. At the second Rapture, if they looked back, they would see the asteroid Wormwood hit Babylon. They should not look back.

Mar 9:2-10 says, "And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and LEADETH THEM UP INTO AN HIGH MOUNTAIN APART by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth (i.e., figuratively, they were in Heavan, Saturn) can white them. 4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. 5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. 7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man (i.e., Moses and Elijah probably were pictured as going to Earth) any more, save Jesus only with themselves. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead. 10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the RISING FROM THE DEAD should mean."


Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION (i.e., but probably before Mid-Trib), and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (SUNDAY), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

That sounds like the Rapture will happen fast. John was on Earth, then suddenly, he was in Heaven. I hope it will happen fast, it is a long way to Saturn. It took the Cassini Mission 7 years to get there. However, Jesus made the trip to Heaven and back on Easter Sunday.

The open door is set before the Philadelphian church for whom Jesus had no words of condemnation.

Rev 3:8 says, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name."

Rev 4:1 says, "behold, A DOOR WAS OPEN IN HEAVEN: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER".

Rev 11:1,2 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (egeiro, lift up, take up, i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture?), and MEASURE THE TEMPLE OF GOD (i.e., we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit/God), and the altar (i.e., those that have come by sacrifice, i.e., Old Testament saints), and them that worship therein. 2 But the court (aule, sheepfold) which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city (Jerusalem) shall they tread under foot forty and two months" (i.e., they will still be on Earth during the last half of the Tribulation)."

In the Gospel in the Stars, there are two sheepfolds. They represent the two Raptures. The first one is a lot smaller than the second one. Today, they are called Ursa Minor and Ursa Major, or the Little Dipper and the Big Dipper.


Rev 11:12 says, "And they (Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them."

Rev 21:2 says, "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

Rev_21:10 says, "And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God".

Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."

It is talking about a globe. The length and breadth and height of it are equal.

Earth is a globe too. It is said to have four corners.

Isa_11:12 says, "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners (kanaph, quarters) of the earth."

In Joh 14:1-4, Jesus said, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know (i.e., to Saturn), and the way ye know" (yes, we sent the Cassini Mission up there).


Rev_4:6 says, "And before the throne (i.e., on Saturn) there was a sea of glass (hualinos, glassy, transparent, i.e., Saturn's rings) like unto crystal (krustallos, ice): and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes (i.e., full orbs, globes) before and behind."

The cherubim are Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars. The seraphim are Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. They are lively globes that fly in concentric circles around the Sun. Earth is orbiting around the Sun at about 67,000 MPH. Thank you Lord for gravity to hold us down. Just thinking about that reminds me that I never wanted on the Hammerhead ride at the the 4th of July carnival.

Rev_15:2 says, "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."

The lighted lamps on the lampstand represent the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are Earth's three heavens. Paul had traveled to the third heaven.

In 2Co 12:2-4, he said, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven (i.e., Saturn). 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." That's where we are headed.

Luk_23:43 says, "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise"

Rev_2:7 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

Rev_21:18 says, "And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass."

Rev_21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass."

God likes pretty things. I can hardly wait to see Heaven. We already know that there is a river and trees.

Rev_22:1,2 says, "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."


When Jesus opens the Second Seal He begins the Gog-Magog War in Israel which is the great tribulation of Israel.

Ezekiel 38:14-16
"Therefore, Son of Man, prophesy and say to Gog.....Then you will come from your place out of the far north.....You will come up against My people will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land........"

Notice the connection between the previous and the next Scripture referring to "My land" and "My people" of Israel. There is no doubt that they are both referencing "the land" and "this people" of Israel:

Luke 21:22-23
"For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written ( in Ezekiel 38:14-16 ) may be fulfilled.......For there will be great distress (tribulation) in the land and wrath upon this people."

It is Jesus who is opening the seals. He is the one bringing Gog against the land and people of Israel, and He gives Gog the "great sword" which brings great tribulation in the land of Israel.

Revelation 6:4
"Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another, and there was given to him a great sword."

Matthew 10:34
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." This is the sword Jesus gives to Gog.

Therefore the Second Seal Horseman is Gog whom Jesus brings out of the far north to come up against "the land" and "this people" of Israel causing the great tribulation of Israel which is the Gog-Magog War in Israel just before the rapture happens.

Matthew 24:29
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days ( in Israel )..........." The rapture happens.

According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus !


> > Therefore the Second Seal Horseman is Gog whom Jesus brings out of the far north to come up against "the land" and "this people" of Israel causing the great tribulation of Israel which is the Gog-Magog War in Israel just before the rapture happens.
> > Matthew 24:29
> > "Immediately after the tribulation of those days ( in Israel )..........." The rapture happens.

You think the Gog and Magog War will take place BEFORE the Rapture? I don't. The wrath of God falls on "he that believeth not".

Joh_3:36 says, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT the Son shall not see life; but THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM."

Rom_1:18 says, "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness"

Eph 5:6 says, "Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience."

Col_3:6 says, "For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience".

We have two chances to get out of here before the wrath of God hits. There are two Raptures, the First-Trump Rapture of I Th 4:13-18 and Rev 4:1, and the Last-Trump Rapture of ICor 15:51-54, Rev 6:17 and 7:14.

Both Raptures take place before the asteroid as big as a mountain hits the NE Mediterranean Sea, and the asteroid Wormwood hits Babylon on the Day of God's Wrath, when every wall will fall in the worldwide earthquake, when all cities will be in shambles, when Earth will turn upside down.

Isa_24:1-6 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. 3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word. 4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. 5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore hath the curse (i.e., Wormwood) devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and FEW MEN LEFT."

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Do you actually think the Lord would leave any of the Body of Christ on Earth during that catastrophe? I don't think so.

Eze 38:18-22 says, "And it shall come to pass AT THE SAME TIME WHEN GOG SHALL COME AGAINST THE LAND OF ISRAEL, SAITH THE LORD GOD, THAT MY FURY SHALL COME UP IN MY FACE. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely IN THAT DAY THERE SHALL BE A GREAT SHAKING IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL; 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face; i.e., they will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I WILL BE KNOWN IN THE EYES OF MANY NATIONS, and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Mat 24:29,30 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars (aster, star, asteroid, or meteor) shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And THEN SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Luk 17:29,30 says, "But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be IN THE DAY WHEN THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED."


1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Rev 5:7 says, "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."


1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Rev 7:14 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."


Hab_2:20 says, "the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the EARTH KEEP SILENCE before him."

Rev 8:1,2 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was SILENCE IN HEAVEN about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets."


Rev 11:18,19 says, "And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (i.e., at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD UNTO THY SERVANTS THE PROPHETS, AND TO THE SAINTS, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an EARTHQUAKE, and great hail."

Typifying the Rapture, Exo 19:4 says, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I BARE YOU ON EAGLES' (nesher, eagle) WINGS, AND BROUGHT YOU UNTO MYSELF."

Isa_40:31 says, "they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; THEY SHALL MOUNT UP WITH WINGS AS EAGLES (nesher, eagle); THEY SHALL RUN, AND NOT BE WEARY; AND THEY SHALL WALK, AND NOT FAINT."

Luk_17:37 says, "Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body (i.e., the Body of Christ that was caught up in the first Rapture) is (i.e., in heaven), thither will the eagles (aetos, eagles, i.e., the Tribulation saints) be gathered together."

The two asteroids, typified by the 2 stone tablets with the 10 commandments on them, will be smashed on Earth as Moses broke the first tablets.

Exo_32:16 And the tables (luach, tablets) were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables."

In Deu 9:17, Moses said, "I took the two tables, and cast them out of my two hands, and brake them before your eyes."

Breaking the two stones was a type, a harbinger of things to come. One stone will hit the NE Mediterranean Sea. The other will hit Babylon near the Euphrates.

Gen 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east (i.e., they rise in the eastern sky) of the garden of Eden Cherubims (terrestrial planets), and a flaming sword (i.e., the sword of the Lord, the asteroid) which turned every way, to keep the way of (or to) the tree of life."

Therefore, Satan's planet Rahab was split apart forming our Asteroid Belt before Gen 3:24.

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (the Son of God, Isa 53:1); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon?" (Satan).

When his planet Rahab split apart, Satan made his home on a piece of it. This piece is Wormwood, and it will obliterate Babylon. The mountain-sized piece will probably break off of Wormwood at the Roche Limit 11,000 miles out. This will release a flurry of smaller rocks.

Rev 6:12,13 says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind."

This Solar Eclipse will probably be the one on Sept. 13, 2015. 2015 Sep 13 - time of greatest eclipse 06:55:19 - Partial - Saros 125 - magnitude 0.788 - Africa, s Indian, Antarctica

The Feast of Trumpets will start at 6 PM on Tishri 1, 5776, Mon. Sept. 14, 2015. Therefore, this eclipse will be on the Feast of Trumpets. I think this is the Day of the Lord that will be the Day of God's Wrath.

Therefore, I expect the Last-Trump Rapture to take place that day just before Wormwood hits Earth.

Isa_25:8,9 says, "He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. 9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation."

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." Agape

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