Pro and Con 1708

Posted 4-24-13


A POST ON FIVE DOVES: Donna Danna (16 Apr 2013)

Pontificate of Pope Francis is to be consecrated to Our Lady of Fatima

As an answer to the request of the Pope to the Patriarch of Lisbon, Cardinal Jose Policarpo, asking that he consecrate the Pope's Pontificate to Our Lady of Fatima, the Bishops of Portugal have just decided that this consecration be made next May 13.

The consecration will be included in the program of the International Pilgrimage of May 12/13 and will be made on the 13th at a time to be announced later.
May's International Anniversary Pilgrimage, on the 96th anniversary of the first apparition of Our Lady to seers Lucia, Francisco and Jacinta, will be presided over by Mons. Orani Tempesta, Archbishop of Rio de Janeiro.
Let us remind you that, during the opening speech of the 181st Plenary Assembly of the Bishops Conference of Portugal, Cardinal Policarpo said that he could very well fulfill the request all alone, "in silent prayer", but that "it would be nice if the entire Bishops Conference joined him in fulfilling the Pope's request".

Pope Francis asks Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon to consecrate his pontificate to Our Lady of Fatima 2013-04-07

Pope Francis asked, on two different occasions, His Eminence Jose Policarpo, Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon and President of the Bishops Conference of Portugal, to consecrate his Petrine Ministry to Our Lady of Fatima.
The revelation was made by Cardinal Policarpo on the afternoon of April 8, at the Shrine of Fatima, during the opening remarks of the 181st Plenary Assembly of the Bishops Conference of Portugal (CEP).
Towards the end of the opening speech, Cardinal Policarpo revealed: Pope Francis has asked me twice to consecrate his new ministry to Our Lady of Fatima. It is a command I can fulfill in silent prayer. But it would be nice if the whole Bishops Conference joined me in fulfilling this request. Mary will guide us in all our work and also in the way we may fulfill this desire of Pope Francis".
The Plenary Assembly runs through April 11 at the Retreat House of Our Lady of Sorrows. The President of CEP focused his opening speech on two events: the Resurrection of Christ and the election of Pope Francis.


"Although the great God of India was female and male, yet we are assured by Forlong that the female energy Maya, Queen of Heaven, even at the present time is more heard of than the male principle....

"Not only did Dionysos, and all the rest of the gods who in later ages came to be regarded as men, represent the sun, but after the separation of the male and female elements in the originally indivisible God, Maut or Minerva, Demeter, Ceres, Isis, Juno, and others less important in the pagan world were also the sun, or, in other words, they represented the female power throughout the universe which was supposed to reside in the sun."

"In most groups of Babylonian and Assyrian divine emblems, there occur two distinct representations of the sun, 'one being figured with four rays or divisions within the orb, and the other, with eight.' According to George Rawlinson, these figures represent a distinction between the male and female powers residing within the sun, the quartered disk signifying the male energy, and the eight-rayed orb appearing as the emblem of the female!" (


By Marilyn Agee

"Skeletons Of Giants Found In Midwest Mounds"
From Patricia Mason (

"A History of Ashtabula County, Ohio, 1878"

"In cultivating the soil in the vicinity implements have been found, and in excavating the ground for graves it is said that bones have been exhumed which seemed to have belonged to a race of giants.

"This land at one time belonged to a Mr. Peleg Sweet, who was a man of large size and full features; and it is narrated that at one time he, in digging, came upon a skull and jaw which were of such size that the skull would cover his head and the jaw could be easily slipped over his face, as though the head of a giant were enveloping his".

"Giant Human Skeletons Found In Indiana Burial Mounds" "Indiana mound builder's giant race

"Henge group in Henry County, Indiana.
"Indiana Geological Survey, 1862
"Henry County, Indiana

"About seven or eight miles west of New Castle, a number of Indian skeletons were disinterred in the constructing a turnpike, and about the same distance south of town some remarkable humans bones and skeletons of giant size were dug out, with other relics, during the making of the road.

"Indiana Geological Survey, 1881
"Delaware County, Indiana

"The Indians used many of the hills as burial places; bones have been discovered which from their size would indicate that they belonged to a race of giants.

"History of Delaware County, Indiana, 1924

"About one mile and a half south of Muncie, in Center Township is another class of these earthworks--a mound of considerable proportions which is said to have been dug into by some parties in search of relics. The excavation, however developed the fact that it contained, instead of relics, human bones. "One of these skeletons was of gigantic proportions. The jaw and thighbones were in a good state of preservation, and nearly complete. The jaw-bone was so large that it could be easily slipped over the jaw of the largest man of the party--a tall, big boned six footer, and the the thigh bone of the skeleton was three inches longer than his" The discovery of these numerous bones fixed the class under which this specimen should be arranged--the sepulcher--and would also warrant the presumption that there were specimens of some of the other classes not far distant, though investigation has not developed the fact.

Who would have thought that giants were in the USA? Some mounds are even in Indiana, so close to Terre Haute, Indiana, where I was born. They have also been found in Mississippi, Ohio, West Virginia, Louisiana, Minnesota, and Tennessee. I don't know which mounds had giant bones in them though.

Of course, it wasn't hard for the giants to navigate to America. The continents didn't split apart until the days of Peleg.

Gen_10:25 says, "And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg (meaning earthquake); for in his days was the earth divided (palag, split, divided)".

Josephus also said that "Phaleg" means "division". (Ant I.VI.4)

Adam and Enoch were prophets. It looks like Seth drew the original Zodiac, the Gospel in the Stars, with the coaching of Adam. I had thought it was by Enoch's coaching. Maybe it was both Adam and Enoch. They were contemporaries. God may have used them both.

Josephus said that Adam and Seth "were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam's prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made two pillars; the one of brick, the other of stone; that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those dicoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad (i.e., Egypt, Seri in Egyptian is south).

The missing capstone, or cornerstone, of the pyramid of Giza may be the Benben stone placed at the Sun Temple in On (Annu, Heliopolis), Egypt. "On" in Coptic means pillar.

"The ancient site of Heliopolis lies in the northeastern extreme of greater Cairo in a district known as Mataria, or Matariya.

"The Benben stone, named after the mound, was a sacred stone in the solar temple of Heliopolis. It was the location on which the first rays of the sun fell. It is thought to have been the prototype for later obelisks, and the capstones of the great pyramids were based on its design." (

Josephus also said, "Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations; but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their fore-fathers, and did neither pay those honours to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shown for virtue, they now shewed by their actions a double degree of wickedness, whereby they made God to be their enemy; for many angels of God accompanied (i.e., to go somewhere with someone as a companion or escort, which often means as a prostitute) with women, and begat (i.e., to be the father of a child) sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength, for the tradition is that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians called GIANTS. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did; and, being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions and their acts for the better;-- but, seeing that they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married; so he departed out of that land." (Ant I.III.1,2)

Josephus mentions the Ark and flood, then said, "This calamity happened in the six hundredth year of Noah's government" (Ant I.III.2,3). I didn't realize that Noah was a ruler. I had read all of the Works of Josephus after someone nice sent it to me, but I had forgotten this.

A little later, Josephus said, "Now Lamech, when he had governed seven hundred and seventy-seven years, appointed Noah his son to be ruler of the people, who was born to Lamech when he was one hundred and eighty-two years old, and retained the government nine hundred and fifty years....After this the ark rested on the top of a certain mountain in Armenia...the Armenians call this place The Place of Descent; for the ark being saved in that place, its remains are shewn there by the inhabitants to this day." (Ant I.III.4,5)

"The tomb of Noah (pictured) in today's Nakhchivan area of the Azerbaijan Republic. The name Nakhijevan (Armenian) is believed to derive from the meaning "The place where Noah landed after the flood" from Armenian (Nakhchivan used to be part of Armenia."

Josephus also spoke of the ancient biblical Amorites that lived around Hebron. He said, "In Hebron there were still then left the race of GIANTS, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entitely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day. (Ant V.II.3)"


Gen_6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (i.e., angels) came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Num_13:33 "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."

Deu_2:11 "Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims."

Deu 2:19,20 says, "And when thou comest nigh over against the children of Ammon, distress them not, nor meddle with them: for I will not give thee of the land of the children of Ammon any possession; because I have given it unto the children of Lot for a possession. 20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims".

Deu_3:11 "For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits (i.e., 13.5 ft.) was the length thereof, and four cubits (6 ft.) the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man (1.5 ft.)."

Deu_3:13 "And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants."

Jos_12:4 "And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei".

Jos_13:12 "All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out."

Jos_15:8 "And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward".

Jos_17:15 "And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee."

Jos_18:16 "And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel"

1Sam 17:4-11: "And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span" (9 ft. 9 inches).

That is counting a cubit as 18" and a span as 9". A cubit could be 17 to 22 inches. Any way we figure it, Goliath was a giant. Our seven-foot basketball players would look short next to Goliath.

2Sa_21:16: "And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David."

2Sa_21:18: "And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant."

2Sam_21:20: "And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant."

2Sa_21:22: "These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants."

1Ch_20:4: "And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued."

1Ch_20:6: "And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son of the giant."

1Ch_20:8: "These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants."


"To the amazement of those who excavated these sites, the remains of giant men, some reaching almost 10 feet tall, were unearthed. Often these giants had six fingers and six toes with a double row of teeth. Some had red hair, and wore copper ornaments."

"...They predated the First Nation people (i.e., Indians) and created the mound works that now held the skeletal remains of the inhabitants. These men had robust jaws and skulls that were large enough to slip over the average white man's head....

"...what we found in Peru was mind-blowing!...

"We handled and photographed elongated skulls with certain physical anomalies...

"We visited megalithic sites which I believe were the remains of the Fallen Angel and Nephilim architecture!...

"We went to the privately owned Chongos Necropolis, a 2000-year-old cemetery where the elongated skulls were found."

I think my grandson visited this also on his trip to Peru.


Charles (23 Apr 2013)
"Earthquakes increase in frequency past two weeks"

Does anyone realize this that according to the official statistics 6.0 to 7.0 Earhquakes have increased by 200% the yearly average the last two weeks! The average is 135 they will in the last two weeks be an average of 260+!

The 7.0 to 8.0 quakes average 15 per year and we have had three the last two weeks! That's a 400% increase in the last two weeks!

Look what has been going on in the world!

This I have to say is conclusive physical evidence of the nearness of the birth of the man child tribulation and rapture. Combined with the sinkholes weather patterns.

As in the days of Noah people are walking according to the world wStchimg tv eating drinking getting married no idea they have become immune they scares me. Christians are like hey Jesus will come and take me but are they watching for Jesus to come no that's silly, are they praying for Jesus to rescue them a few, are they warning others to repent and turn to Jesus again a few.

The churches are coming together to be one big happy religion when Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life no man comes to the Father except through Me!

People who are seeing warning visions dreams are increasingly being discounted by those watching those watching discounted by those not.

The Lord says come out of her my people touch not the unclean thing and I will recieve you and you shall be my sins and daughters. Cleansing yourself of uncleanliness of flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in fear of The Lord.

This is Gods prescription to be rescued from the worlds wrath yet any who suggest we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling to warn the world and each other judgement is coming are focusing on the wrong message?

Really the whole message of the bible is to repent fear and obey God through His Son Jesus Christ and you shall recieve the attonement the blood pardon!

Eclastisees ends with fear God obey His Commands all else is vanity!

We are vanity our importance to witness is vanity God does it all though us but guess what we are to surrender ourselves to be the willing vessels He does it though. Can a person walkning in darkness give light?

Well another sign in Argentina a ball of light exploded temperarily turning night into day!

Was that another Warning from God saying wake up look at the darkness around you come out of it into My glorious light?

If thou shalt confess with thy mouth The Lord Jesus (make Him the Head of your Life with your words) and believe God raised Him from the dead (through faith know your real life is in Heavan through Jesus and live for that not this one) you shall be saved!

All who call upon The Lord shall be saved! How many with all thecrcebt events have truly been convicted by the need to be saved?

Please time is running out darkness is light and they call light darkness come out of this worlds vanity it's the narrow path Jesus said few find!

It's the path Jesus walked we must pick up the cross and die to ourselves live though Him walk the narrow path and go Home!


> > Does anyone realize this that according to the official statistics 6.0 to 7.0 Earhquakes have increased by 200% the yearly average the last two weeks! The average is 135 they will in the last two weeks be an average of 260+!

> > The 7.0 to 8.0 quakes average 15 per year and we have had three the last two weeks! That's a 400% increase in the last two weeks!

> > Look what has been going on in the world!

> > This I have to say is conclusive physical evidence of the nearness of the birth of the man child tribulation and rapture. Combined with the sinkholes weather patterns....

> > Well another sign in Argentina a ball of light exploded temperarily turning night into day!

> > Was that another Warning from God saying wake up look at the darkness around you come out of it into My glorious light?

Yes. Thanks for all this information. I agree that these are "conclusive physical evidence of the nearness of the ... rapture." We should take these things as a warning.

Earthquakes, sinkholes, eclipses and comet ISON are signs.

"Why Are Giant Sinkholes Appearing All Over America? Is Something Happening To The Earth’s Crust?"

My comments:

Jesus warned that Earthquakes would increase. They have not only increased, but they have reached record proportions.

Earthquakes can cause sinkholes. According to Annette's Newsletter, we had a record-breaking total of 6.0 and over in February. April already has already had at least 12. Our underpinnings are getting shaky.

Your news, "400% increase in the last two weeks!" is GOOD NEWS INDEED.

If we didn't pay enough attention to earthquakes, the giant sinkholes are warning us. God is trying to get our attention.

And that isn't all. The comet ISON showing its beautiful tail was photographed by NASA on April 10. The word NASA in Hebrew means lift up. The comet ISON (I, Jesus, am the son of God) seems to be a sign of the coming Rapture, our lifting up.

"NASA - Hubble Captures Comet ISON (i.e., as Jesus will capture us) This NASA Hubble Space Telescope image of Comet (C/2012 S1) ISON was photographed on April 10, when the comet was slightly closer than Jupiter's orbit"

A partial Lunar eclipse is coming Thur. April 25, 2013, Iyar 15, 5773. Another eclipse (Annular Solar) is due Fri. May 10, Sivan 1. These two eclipses may sandwich the First-Trump Rapture, our Resurrection Day, on Sunday, May 5.
The first could be 10 days prior, and the last could be 5 days after the Rapture. Even the days of the week look significant. Jesus was crucified on Thursday, Passover was on Friday, Unleavened Bread was on Saturday, and Firstfruits (Resurrection Day) was on Sunday.

2013 Apr 25: Partial Lunar Eclipse
2013 May 10: Annular Solar Eclipse
2013 May 25: Penumbral Lunar Eclipse
2013 Oct 18: Penumbral Lunar Eclipse
2013 Nov 03: Hybrid Solar Eclipse

Sunday, May 5, 2013 is both Ascension Day and the Eastern Orthodox Easter, Jesus' Resurrection Day. I can't think of a better day for the Rapture to take place. Jesus may come in the Holy Fire about 2 PM on Holy Saturday at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. Ascension day will start at 6 PM on our May 4. Agape

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