Pro and Con 1711

Posted 5-2-13


cherubim with 4 wings


By Marilyn Agee

A friend sent me some information on this that got me started hunting up all the information I could find on it. There is a lot out there. I couldn't read it all and get this posted in a reasonable time. There are lots of pictures. I found an article "Gobekli Tepe" by Patrick Symmes. It says, "A temple complex in Turkey that predates even the pyramids is rewriting the story of HUMAN EVOLUTION.

He has posted a picture of "A pillar at the Gobekli Tepe temple near Sanliurfa, Turkey, the oldest known temple in the world.

"They call it potbelly hill, after the soft, round contour of this final lookout in southeastern Turkey. To the north are forested mountains. East of the hill lies the biblical plain of Harran, and to the south is the Syrian border, visible 20 miles away, pointing toward the ancient lands of Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent, the region that gave rise to HUMAN CIVILIZATION. And under our feet, according to archeologist Klaus Schmidt, are the stones that mark the spot-the exact spot-WHERE HUMANS BEGAN THAT ASCENT."


"Schmidt has uncovered a vast and beautiful temple complex, a structure so ancient that it may be the very first thing HUMAN BEINGS ever built. The site isn't just old, it redefines old: the temple was built 11,500 years ago—a staggering 7,000 years before the Great Pyramid, and more than 6,000 years before Stonehenge first took shape. The ruins are so early that they predate villages, pottery, domesticated animals, and even agriculture—the first embers of civilization. In fact, Schmidt thinks the temple itself, built after the end of the last Ice Age by hunter-gatherers, became that ember—the spark that launched MANKIND toward farming, urban life, and all that followed.

"Though not as large as Stonehenge-the biggest circle is 30 yards across, the tallest pillars 17 feet high-the ruins are astonishing in number. Last year Schmidt found his third and fourth examples of the temples. Ground-penetrating radar indicates that another 15 to 20 such monumental ruins lie under the surface. Schmidt's German-Turkish team has also uncovered some 50 of the huge pillars, including two found in his most recent dig season that are not just the biggest yet, but, according to carbon dating, are the oldest monumental artworks in the world."

If there was a roof supported by 17 ft. pillars, some of the fallen angels could have been giants.

This is not "where humans began that ascent." This was before Adam was created in 4043 BC. I think this huge temple complex was built by the angels that kept not their first estate, the planet Rahab that has now been split apart. It's orbit is now occupied by the Asteroid Belt.

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split) Rahab (meaning proud), and wounded the dragon?" (Satan).

Jude 1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate (arche, first principality), but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

By that, we can tell that the angels have already been tried and sentenced. Satan must have appealed the sentence. It looks like God created man to prove that he is perfectly just in putting the fallen angels in prison. If man, being smaller, weaker, and not being able to see God could still obey him, he would be proved just to consign the fallen angels, that could see God, to prison.

"Some think Gobekli Tepe could have been the Garden of Eden." I don't think so. It was built long before Adam was created in 4043 BC.

But, what about the picture above? Isn't that a man? That carving was found at Gobekli Tepe.

I don't think he is a human like Adam. Look at it closely. That cherubim has FOUR WINGS, as in Ezekiel's visions in Eze 1 and 10.

There are four cherubim in Eze. 1 and 10. They are symbolic, and represent the four terrestrial planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars), globes orbiting the Sun in concentric circles (wheels within wheels). The word translated wings is kanaph. It also means quarters.

Eze 1:5 says, "Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness (symbolic language) of four living creatures (lively flying things). And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man" (adam, which means red clay). These are the terrestrial planets.

Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel (orbit) upon the earth by the living creatures (lively things), with his four faces" (the planet earth, a globe, faces all four directions at the same time). It orbits in all four directions in turn.

The cherubim pictured at Gobekli Tepe probably represents Earth. The first temple at Gobekli Tepe may have been the first Temple on Earth, and the fallen angels must have worshipped the Sun God. No wonder Nimrod was worshipped as a Sun god.

Look at the bull with the Sun sign between his horns. Haven't we seen something very similar in Egypt? Apis, the bull with the Sun sign between his horns was the most important of all the sacred animals in Egypt.

Sun worship seems to have started at Gobekli Tepe and was continued by Nimrod at Babel and later by other countries, including Egypt.

What is the common denominator in all of this? To me, the only possibility is that Satan and his fallen angels took up residence on Earth when they didn't have permission to do it. Their habitation (first estate) was the planet Rahab, which was split and now forms our Asteroid Belt. Satan now lives on the asteroid Wormwood. Wormwood will impact Earth on the Day of God's Wrath.

Verses where wormwood is used:

Deu_29:18 says, "Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood"

Pro_5:4 says, "But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword."

Jer_9:15 says, "Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink."

Jer_23:15 says, "Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land."

Lam_3:15 says, "He hath filled me with bitterness, he hath made me drunken with wormwood."

Lam_3:19 says, "Remembering mine affliction and my misery, the wormwood and the gall."

Amo_5:7 says, "Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and leave off righteousness in the earth."

Rev_8:11 says, "And the name of the star (aster, star, asteroid or meteorite) is called Wormwood (which means bitter): and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

Gen 6:2-4 says, "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (i.e., angels) came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

"Evidence Of A Lost Civilization

"13,000-year-old constructions as complex and elaborate as Gobekli Tepe simply should not exist. The fact that it does exist has forced academia to rethink its views of the ancient world and, more importantly, the people who populated that world."

Maybe they weren't human, but angelic. That makes me sit up and take notice. We seem to be getting a view of things built on Earth before Adam was created, maybe 13,000 BC, before an Ice Age hit Earth about 11,000 BC, probably as punishment for leaving their first estate, the planet Rahab has been split apart to form our Asteroid Belt.

There were animals carved into the stone pillars, but they are not recognizable as the same we have on Earth today. Some were roughly the same, but their heads were too big, their mouths too enormous, and they looked fierce. Truly, this is the find of the century.



"Do these mysterious stones mark the site of the Garden of Eden"

By Tom Knox, March 5, 2009

As he puts it: 'As soon as I got there and saw the stones, I knew that if I didn't walk away immediately I would be here for the rest of my life.'

"As he puts it: 'As soon as I got there and saw the stones, I knew that if I didn't walk away immediately I would be here for the rest of my life.

"Schmidt stayed. And what he has uncovered is astonishing....The oblong stones, unearthed by the shepherd, turned out to be the flat tops of awesome, T-shaped megaliths. Imagine carved and slender versions of the stones of Avebury or Stonehenge.

Most of these standing stones are inscribed with bizarre and delicate images - mainly of boars and ducks, of hunting and game. Sinuous serpents are another common motif. Some of the megaliths show crayfish or lions.

The stones seem to represent human forms"...

To me, the form represented in the picture is not really human. It has wings, so seems like an angel to me.

Jud_1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation (i.e., the planet Rahab), he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The trial of Satan and his fallen angels took place before Adam was created. The angel's first estate was the planet Rahab, between Mars and Jupiter. Because of Satan and his fallen angel's sin, his planet was split into pieces. That area is now called the Asteroid Belt.

Those angels, headed up by Satan, had came to Earth. They were judged and sentenced to prison. Evidently, they appealed their sentence. God seems to have created man to prove he was just in sentencing the fallen angels to prison. The angels could see God, and they sinned. If man, created unable to see God, could still obey him, God would be proved just in putting the fallen angels in prison.

Satan, the leader in the Angelic Conflict, is trying hard to make man disobey God. Satan's, and his fallen angel's, eternal destiny depends on what man does.'

"Functionally, the site appears to be a temple, or ritual site, like the stone circles of Western Europe.

"ten yards across - but there are indications that much more is to come. Geomagnetic surveys imply that there are hundreds more standing stones, just waiting to be excavated.

"So far, so remarkable. If Gobekli Tepe was simply this, it would already be a dazzling site - a Turkish Stonehenge. But several unique factors lift Gobekli Tepe into the archaeological stratosphere - and the realms of the fantastical.

"The first is its staggering age. Carbon-dating shows that the complex is at least 12,000 years old, maybe even 13,000 years old.

"That means it was built around 10,000BC. By comparison, Stonehenge was built in 3,000 BC and the pyramids of Giza in 2,500 BC.

"Gobekli is thus the oldest such site in the world, by an astonishing margin. It is so old that it predates settled human life. It is pre-pottery, pre-writing, pre-everything. Gobekli hails from a part of human history that is unimaginably distant, right back in our hunter-gatherer past.

"How did cavemen build something so ambitious?"

To me, "cavemen" didn't build it. The angels did.

"This revelation, that Stone Age hunter-gatherers could have built something like Gobekli, is worldchanging, for it shows that the old hunter-gatherer life, in this region of Turkey, was far more advanced than we ever conceived - almost unbelievably sophisticated. It's as if the gods came down from heaven and built Gobekli for themselves."

Yes. I think the angels came down from Rahab and built Gobekli for themselves. Since they worshipped the Sun then, I can understand Nimrod being called a Sun god later on.

"The many flint arrowheads found around Gobekli support this thesis; they also support the dating of the site."...

"When people make the transition from hunter-gathering to settled agriculture, their skeletons change - they temporarily grow smaller and less healthy as the human body adapts to a diet poorer in protein and a more wearisome lifestyle. Likewise, newly domesticated animals get scrawnier."

Their skeletons change, they temporarily grow smaller" is proof to me that there were giants in those days.

"There were herds of game, rivers of fish, and flocks of wildfowl; lush green meadows were ringed by woods and wild orchards. About 10,000 years ago, the Kurdish desert was a 'paradisiacal place', as Schmidt puts it. So what destroyed the environment? The answer is Man."

I don't think so. I think it was the disobedience of the fallen angels.

There were animals, but they were not exactly like what we have today. Nothing looks familiar. Heads tended to be more fierce, exaggerated, larger, thicker, with bigger mouths and teeth. Bodies of some were thinner. Some had beaks.


> > Saturn Reaches Opposition on April 28

I think it is a fantastic sign. Heaven is closest to Earth at Opposition. This is the closest Saturn has been for the last 6 years. It looks like the Lord planned this well. Saturn will be near for quite awhile, and what better time could we have for the Rapture? We are going to take a trip to Saturn, and it is closest to Earth now.

What better sign could there be? Agape


John 12:48
"He who rejects me, and does not receive My Words, has that which judges him - the Word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day."

Jesus spoke the following words telling us that the rapture will happen "Immediately after the tribulation....":

Matthew 24:29-31
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light....and He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds..."

Anyone who rejects the spoken words of Jesus by denying that the rapture comes anytime other than "Immediately after the tribulation" is rejecting Jesus at their own eternal peril.

According to Your spoken Word, come Lord Jesus!



Where does Scripture say that? The only times the word "reject" is found in Scripture are these:

Hos_4:6 says, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also REJECT thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children".

Mar_6:26 says, "And the king was exceeding sorry; yet for his oath's sake, and for their sakes which sat with him, he would not REJECT her."

Mar_7:9 says, "And he said unto them, Full well ye REJECT the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."

Tit_3:10 says, "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition REJECT ".

What is a "heretick"? " A person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted.

Be it known, I don't reject anything Jesus said, or anything the Bible said in its original edition. Far from it. I believe every word. Scripture is God-breathed. If man had tried to write the Bible, it would take a warehouse to house the books. God has packed Scripture with so much knowledge, it is amazing that we can carry the book. No man could have done it. God dictated it to his scribes.

For instance, Rev_1:11 says, "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last (i.e., LORD of the Old Testament and Lord of the New Testament): and, What thou seest, WRITE in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea." This book is written to the church just 10 days before the Rapture. It is written to us.

Rev 2:10, says, "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION TEN DAYS: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

I think the First-Trump Rapture will be May 5, 2013, Iyar 25, Ascension Day, Sunday, Eastern Orthodox Easter, Resurrection Day. The dead in Christ would get their resurrection bodies first, then the wise-virgin saints would ascend.

That day is preceded by Holy Saturday. At the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem, the Holy Fire comes up from Jesus's grave shortly after 2 PM. Then Ascension Day will begin at 6 PM. I think Jesus might come in the Holy Fire, as the LORD was in the fire above the Tabernacle and in the burning bush.

May 5 will be exactly 10 days after the Partial Lunar Eclipse of Iyar 15, April 25, 2013, and 5 days before the Annular Solar Eclipse of Sivan 1, May 10, 2013.


2013 Apr 25: Partial Lunar Eclipse
2013 May 10: Annular Solar Eclipse
2013 May 25: Penumbral Lunar Eclipse
2013 Oct 18: Penumbral Lunar Eclipse
2013 Nov 03: Hybrid Solar Eclipse

Also, "NASA - Hubble Captures Comet ISON (i.e., as Jesus will capture us)

Comet (C/2012 S1) ISON (i.e., I, Jesus, the Son of God) was photographed on Wed. April 10, 2013, Nisan 30, 5773, when the comet was slightly closer than Jupiter's orbit"

There will be a Partial Solar eclipse on the Eve of Trumpets, Sun. Sept. 13, 2015, Elul 29, 5775. I expect the Last-Trump Rapture to take place before God's Wrath hits Earth on Mon. Sept. 14, 2015, Tishri 1, 5776.

Isa 60:2 says, "For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee."

There will be a tetrad of Total Lunar Eclipses starting on Tue. April 15, 2014, Nisan 15, 5774.

Tue. April 15, 2014, Nisan 15, 5774, Unleavened Bread, Total Lunar Eclipse
Wed. October 8, 2014, Tishri 14, 5775, Eve of Tabernacles, Total Lunar Eclipse
Sat. April 4, 2015, Nisan 15, 5775, Unleavened Bread, Total Lunar Eclipse
Mon. September 28, 2015, Tishri 15, 5776, Tabernacles, Total Lunar Eclipse

No more tetrads of Total Lunar Eclipses falling on Feast Days will happen for a century.

I think the Second Advent will be Sat. Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016, on the Anniversary of Jesus' Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD. That will be the first day of the Jubilee, Sacred and Regnal years.

A Jubilee year has to follow a Sabbatical Year, and 5775 is a Sabbatical Year.

It looks like the Lord has done some astonishing planning, and he did it before the world began.


Jesus, Director of his Miracle Play, THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST, produced the script. He cast John as actor, narrator and scribe.

Rev_1:19 says, "WRITE the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the First-Trump Rapture of Rev. 4:1), and the things which are (at the time of the First-Trump Rapture of Rev 4:1), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the First-Trump Rapture of Rev 4:1 ).

Rev_2:1 says, "Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus WRITE; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks".

Rev_2:8 says, "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna WRITE; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive".

Rev_2:12 says, "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos WRITE; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges".

Rev_2:18 says, "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira WRITE; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass".

Rev_3:1 says, "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis WRITE; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead."

Rev_3:7 says, "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia WRITE; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth".

Rev_3:14 says, "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans WRITE; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God".

Rev_10:4 says, "And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and WRITE THEM NOT."

Rev_14:13 says, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, WRITE, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them."

Rev_19:9 says, "And he saith unto me, WRITE, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God."

Rev_21:5 says, "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, WRITE: for these words are true and faithful."

> > Jesus spoke the following words telling us that the rapture will happen "Immediately after the tribulation...."

> > Matthew 24:29-31
> > "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light....and He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds..."

Mt 24:29 is the only place in the whole Bible that says "after the tribulation", so let's look at the whole passage carefully.

Mat 24:29-31 says, "Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

This says nothing about anyone being gathered from Earth. Those that went to Heaven in the First-Trump Rapture are to be gathered to the GENERAL ASSEMBLY in Heaven.

Then the Last-Trump Rapture will take place AFTER THAT TRIBULATION. Those from Earth will be called to the GENERAL ASSEMBLY in Heaven.

Mar_13:24 is the only place in scripture that says, "after that tribulation."

Mar 13:24-27 says, "But in those days, AFTER THAT TRIBULATION, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of heaven."

The Last-Trump Rapture will happen exactly like it says, "AFTER THAT TRIBULATION."

Rev 6:12-17 gives some more details of that day. It says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood"

There will be a Partial Solar eclipse on the Eve of Trumpets, Sunday, Sept. 13, 2015.

13 And the stars (aster, star, asteroid, meteor or meteorite, i.e., "mountains and rocks") of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the MOUNTAINS AND ROCKS, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

Here is the heavenly scene on that day.

Rev 7:9,10 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb."

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Those are the Great Tribulation saints that will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture just before the wrath of God hits Earth when Satan's asteroid Wormwood hits Earth.

You may be able to go up then if that is what you want.

I Cor 15:51-54 describes the Last-Trump Rapture. However, you can't have a last trump unless you have a first trump.

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

However, I want to rise up in the First-Trump Rapture.

1Th 4:13-18 describes the First-Trump Rapture. If scripture says it, I believe it.

1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Heb 12:22-24 says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant".

Heb 12:22-24 is the only place in the Bible that "general assembly"is found. It is the only place in the Bible that "heavenly Jerusalem" is found. It is the only place in the Bible that "church of the firstborn" is found. It is the only place in the Bible that "just men made perfect" is found. It is an important verse.

It is when Jesus' prayer is answered. Joh 17:24 says, "Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world."

There are only two trumpets to call believers to the assembly.

Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee TWO TRUMPETS OF SILVER; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them (i.e., BOTH) FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY, and for the journeying of the camps. 3 And when they shall blow with them (i.e., both), ALL THE ASSEMBLY SHALL ASSEMBLE THEMSELVES TO THEE at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And IF THEY BLOW BUT WITH ONE TRUMPET, THEN THE PRINCES (i.e., elders), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

This is the only scripture that mentions "trumpets of silver". It is the only place "calling of the assembly" is found. It is the only place "journeying of the camps" is found.

Notice that there are two ways for the calling of the assembly. Why two? There are only two Raptures. The first time they blow but with one trumpet. That matches up with I Thess. 4:16,17, the first Rapture. The second time, they blow with both trumpets. That matches up with I Cor. 15:51-54, the last Rapture.

The elders are called up to New Jerusalem in Rev 4:1-4. The first trumpet says, "Come up hither".

Rev 4:1-4 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty ELDERS sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

The foolish virgins are left behind.

Heb 12:6,7 says, "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Rev 3:16 says, "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."

Rev 3:19 says, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

There are only two times that "come up hither" is used in Revelation. The first time, John and the other 23 elders are caught up to Heaven. Along with them are saints out of every nation.

The first group out of all nations all sing the new song. They are firstfruits.

Jas_1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures."

Rev 5:9,10 says, "And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

Rev 11:12,13 is the last time "Come up hither" is mentioned. It says, "And they (i.e., Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

In the last group, the 144,000 Israelites are the only ones that can sing the NEW SONG

Rev 14:1-6 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come."

The saints caught up in the FIRST RAPTURE plus the 144,000 Israelites sing the NEW SONG in Heaven.

Psa 149:1-9 says, "Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG, and his praise in the congregation of saints. 2 Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. 3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. 4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. 5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. 6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; 8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; 9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD."

The Gentles caught up in the LAST RAPTURE do not get to sing the new song.

> > Anyone who rejects the spoken words of Jesus by denying that the rapture comes anytime other than "Immediately after the tribulation" is rejecting Jesus at their own eternal peril.

I do not reject Jesus. I love him with all my heart. He did so much for us, it is amazing. He didn't have to offer us a way to be saved, but he did. I am eternally grateful. I try hard to understand the Bible correctly. I have been studying it as hard as I can go ever since 1960. I spent 7 years reading about an 18" stack of books each week from BIOLA Library's Seminary Collection.

When I found this scripture, I said, "Here am I, send me."

Isa_6:8 says, "Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me."

You are rejecting the whole first Rapture. I believe in two Raptures, the first and the last.

I want to go up in the First-Trump Rapture. Ed is waiting patiently for me. I am so glad he was allowed to visit me in his celestial body and let me know that we could be together forever. I needed to know that.

I am pleased how my life is turning out. I said, "Yes" to Jesus and "yes" to Ed. Now I will get to be with both forever. I can't think of anything better. Agape

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