Pro and Con 1716

Posted 5-11-13


INCOMING EMAIL, Re: Mid-Trib coming up?

I hope you are well! It sure looks like you are staying up late typing every night!

You postulate that Mid-Trib is approaching in early June.

Personally, I don't see how this is feasible. The sacrifices are to be cut off "Mid-week" when the AC causes them to cease.

please note:

There is no temple.

There are no sacrifices going on.

There is no AC revealed that has "confirmed the covenant".

There is no "covenant" at all (to my knowledge).

In Mid-Week, the AC breaks the covenant that was made 3.5 years earlier. Perhaps you know when and what that was?

what am I missing?

Thanks for all your hard work and awesome scholarship over the years!

regards in Jesus


I'm well. Got the cataracts removed and had laser treatment in both eyes, so I can see, and drive. Oh yes, I work all night most nights. I don't have Ed telling me I should get some sleep.

I am approaching this Biblical timing question differently than I used to. Most of the authors of those books I read from the BIOLA Library thought the Rapture would be Pre-Trib. So did the teachers coming our of Dallas Theological Seminary. Their reasons seemed sound. Then, I thought the Rapture would be Pre-Trib, but now, world conditions have persuaded me that we seem to be in the first half of the Tribulation. I must start over and be careful not to read more into a verse than it really says.

Looking up the meaning of the original words helps, for sometimes, we can tell that the translators didn't know what it meant, in Eze 1 and 10 for instance. It took me over 7 years to figure out that Saturn was the 3rd heaven (1. Mars, 2, Jupiter, 3. Saturn) Paul was caught up to in II Cor 12:2-4, and I haven't been able to convince you of that yet.

However, Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (lively flying things), behold one wheel (orbit) upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces." The Earth's orbit is its wheel and the wheels within wheels are the concentric orbits of the terrestial planets orbiting the Sun, a fire enfolding itself. Earth, a globe with four quarters, faces four directions of the compass and it orbits in four directions. Eze 1:8 says, "And they had the hands (yad, borders, coasts, sides) of a man (adam, meaning red clay, therefore the cherubim are terrestrial planets like Earth) under their wings" (kanaph, quarters).

Josephus, a Pharisee priest, indicated that the lampstand stood for 1. Sun, 2. Mercury, 3. Venus, 4. Earth, 5. Mars, 6. Jupiter and 7. Saturn. (Ant. III.VI. 7). That makes it easier to see what Earth's 3 heavens are. In the Temple, the 7th lamp faced east. The western light was to always be kept burning, because it represented the Sun. Earth is represented by the 4th lamp. To the east of it is Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (the 3rd Heaven).

Gen 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden (in Earth's eastern sky) Cherubims (planets, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, the last naked-eye planet), and a flaming sword (Satan's asteroid Wormwood (Rev 8:11), probably an Apollo asteroid which crosses Earth's orbit) which turned every way (rotates and orbits), to keep the way of (or to) the tree of life" (which is on Saturn). The planets are said to be east, because they rise in the east.

2Co 12:2-4 says, "I (Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, 3. Saturn). 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise (i.e., in the 3rd Heaven), and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Now, Ed is in the 3rd Heaven. When he came to see me, he just said, "33" and "Yes" five times in answer to my questions, then walked through the wall. However, I learned that he is ok, awake, looking and walking great at 33 years old, visiting his family, my family, and has a piano. I learned that there are female angels in Heaven and that we could be together forever. So, I sure have a lot to look forward to. I went through our picture albums trying to imagine how my parents will look at 33. I found a picture of me at 33, and it was the best picture I ever had made. I can be happy at 33, and Ed sure looked great. And, to think, we will stay 33. I don't know how the Lord does it, but I'm sure glad he does, and I feel very privileged to have had Ed visit me in his celestial body. That doesn't happen often. I wonder if that is how people can entertain angels unaware. Gabriel visited Vincent Tan, and he looked like a man. There were only two things that showed me Ed was in his celestial body. There was no touching and he walked through the wall. Other than that, he looked and sounded totally normal. I have a picture of him with that big grin on his face he had when he walked in here. I can't forget how he looked. I see that picture every day. When I see him grinning, I have to grin too.


First, the fig tree Parable answers the disciple's question in Mt. 24:3 about "when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of THY COMING, and of the end of the world? (aion, age).


Mat 24:32-34 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, which Israel was in 1967), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, West Bank, Sinai, and Golan Heights), ye know that summer is nigh (the Six-Day War was June 5-10, 1967, summer was June 21): 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the end of the age) is near, even at the doors (two Raptures, Rev 3:8). 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation (48.33 years, Mt 1:17) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

Then the Last-Trump Rapture should be 48.33 years from June 10, 1967. That future day will be the Day of God's Wrath, one literal day that will be Jesus' Long Day, because the asteroid Wormwood will impact Earth and knock this globe upside down. It will come in over Russia and set fires there, but it will hit Babylon. It is the sword of the Lord.

Eze 21:28-30 says, "The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering: 29: Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end. 30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity" (i.e., Eden, near the Euphrates River).

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Isa 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

Isa 24:18 says, "And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for THE WINDOWS FROM ON HIGH ARE OPEN, and the foundations of the earth do shake."

The windows on high were opened in Noah's day too. Gen 7:11 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and THE WINDOWS OF HEAVEN WERE OPENED."


In Noah's day, I think much of the ocean from Satan's planet Rahab hit the Earth. All the high mountains were covered. I think Satan's asteroid Wormwood will hit Earth on the great and terrible Day of the Lord.

Gen_1:2 says, "And the earth was (hayah, became) without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Gen_1:6 says, "And God said, Let there be a firmament (expanse of space) in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."

Gen_1:7 says, "And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so."


Ecc 1:9 says, "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."

Jos 10:9-14 says, "Joshua (Jesus from the Greek is Joshua from the Hebrew) therefore came unto them suddenly, and went up from Gilgal (meaning circle) all night. 10 And the LORD discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah. 11 And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great STONES FROM HEAVEN upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword. 12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. 13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. 14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel."

The next time, the Lord will cause Satan's asteroid Wormwood to hit Earth.

When the Israelites came out of Egypt, those "From twenty years old and upward" were counted. This made 19 or under young. Therefore, Israel was only young until she turned 20 years old. That just won't stretch any farther.

Mt. 1:17 says, "So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations." 2035 - 5 (because Jesus was born in 5 BC) = 2030. 2030 divided by 42 generations = 48.33 years for one generation.

1967 + 48.33 years = 2015.33 years, or Tishri 1, 5776, Mon. Sept. 14, 2015, the Feast of Trumpets, the end of this age. How can you make that stretch any farther than that? Jesus said, "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." He is God. He made the plans before the world began. He knows the plan. Israel was 19. How can you make that more?

The Gog and Magog War is at the end of the age.

Eze 38:18-23 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; (i.e., Satan's asteroid Wormwood hits Babylon and a mountain-sized piece hits the NE Mediterranean Sea) 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain (i.e., a tsunami), and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the EYES of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Jer_30:7 says, " Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."

There are 7 months from the Gog and Magog War of Eze. 38 (i.e., the end of the age, the Day of God's Wrath, the great and terrible Day of the Lord) to the Second Advent.

Eze 39:11-13 says, "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. 12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

From Tishri 1, 5776, Mon. Sept. 14, 2015, to Nisan 1, 5776, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years is 7 months, because 5776 is a Leap Year. 5775 is a Sabbatical Year, which can be followed by a Jubilee year 5776. The next leap year will be 5779, and the next Sabbatical Year will be 5782. I don't see how the Second Advent can come after Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016, on the anniversary of Jesus' resurrection on April 9, 30 AD, can you?

A Jubilee Year has to be preceded by a Sabbatical Year. 5775 is Sabbatic. 5768 was too soon. 5782 will be too late.

On the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the Feast of Trumpets, there will be darkness.

Joel 2:1,2 says, "BLOW YE THE TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; 2 A DAY OF DARKNESS and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of THICK DARKNESS, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

That horrible day can't be spread over the last 3.5 years of the Tribulation. It is one long day. Jer_30:7 says, "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."

Joe_2:10 says, "The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining"

There will be enormous tsunamis. The mountain-sized asteroid of Rev 8:8 will hit the Mediterranean Sea. Amo_5:8 says, "Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name".

Rev 6:12-13 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth".

There will be a Partial Solar Eclipse on Sept. 13, 2015, Elul 29, 5776, and no eclipse on Elul 29 or Tishri 1 in 5773, 5774, 5775, 5777, 5778, 5779, 5780, or 5781. Also, the tetrads of Total Lunar Eclipses on Feast days of 2014 and 2015 will not happen again this century. Tishri 1, 5776 seems to be the Day of the Lord.


The First-Trump Rapture is on the "Lord's day" (Rev 1:9-11) maybe Tue. June 4, 2013, Mid-Trib. The Last-Trump Rapture is on the Day of the Lord, probably Mon. Sept. 14, 2015, the Feast of Trumpets.

The Tetrad of Total Lunar Eclipses near the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Tabernacles follows 2013. The timing seems perfect. The First-Trump Rapture precedes the Tetrad. The Second Advent follows the Tetrad. That seems to lock them in place.

2013, possible First-Trump Rapture, Tue, June 4, MID-TRIB 2014, TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE, April 15 [5774, Nisan 15, Feast of Unleavened Bread 2014, TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE, October 08 [5775, Tishri 14, Eve of Tabernacles 2015, TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE, April 04 [5775, Nisan 15, Feast of Unleavened Bread 2015, possible Last-Trump Rapture, Tishri 1, 5776, Monday, Sept. 14, Feast of Trumpets 2015, TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE, September 28 [5776, Tishri 15, Feast of Tabernacles 2016, possible Second Advent, Nisan 1, 5776, Saturday, April 9, 1st day of Jubilee and Regnal years

Mat 24:13-16 says, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall THE END (he telos, THE POINT AIMED AT AS A LIMIT) come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy [hagios, ceremonially consecrated] place [topos, LOCATION], (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains".

It says, "holy place". That could mean the Temple Mount instead of the Temple.

Lev_6:16 says, "And the remainder thereof shall Aaron and his sons eat: with unleavened bread shall it be eaten in THE HOLY PLACE, IN THE COURT OF THE TABERNACLE of the congregation they shall eat it." Lev_6:26 is similar. It says, "The priest that offereth it for sin shall eat it: in the holy place shall it be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation."

This court was where the altar and Brasen Sea were located, in front of the Temple.

The location of the Temple was between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount.

The aquaduct turned SE as soon as it entered the Temple Mount at Wilson's Bridge, just north of the Wailing Wall, which was lined up with the back wall of the Temple. The cisterns, part of the Temple water purification system, are in the southern part of the Temple Mount. The cisterns are carved out of the Meleke, white limestone, meaning "kingly," a lithologic type of coarsely crystalline, thickly bedded limestone found in the hills of the West Bank. When quarried it is soft and workable. After exposure it hardens and develops a clear surface that will take on a high polish. As it weathers, it's color changes to off white.

Rev 12:6 says, "And the woman (i.e., Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place (Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days" i.e., the Great Tribulation before it gets shortened to 1040 days. (1260 + 1040 = 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14).

What could make Israelites flee to the mountains and Petra today? The First-Trump Rapture? It just might take that. War with Gaza won't do it. War with Syria won't do it. War with Iran didn't before, that could change, but nothing would do it like the Rapture. The sudden knowledge that the most dedicated Christians are gone world-wide should make them sit up and take notice. The eye-opener, the Brit Hadasha, the Hebrew New Testament, must be true. The increased evil power of the then Satan-possessed False Prophet would spur them on.

Huge numbers of people will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture along with the 144,000 Israelites.

Rev 7:9 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".


Rev 12:1-5 says, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman (VIRGO) clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet (ON 9-4-5 BC, WHEN JESUS WAS BORN, THE MOON WAS UNDER VIRGO'S FEET), and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and SEVEN CROWNS, i.e., now it is during the Tribulation) upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven (i.e., the fallen angels), and did cast them to the earth (MID-TRIB): and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she (the virgin) brought forth a man child (THE BODY OF CHRIST), who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child (i.e.,THE BODY OF CHRIST) was caught up unto God (Jesus), and to his throne" (on Saturn)."

Rev_2:26,27 says, "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father."

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (Jesus' September birthstone meaning Heaven): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (v. 1 said God, the only God/man is Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire (i.e., like a lighted lamp in the dark sky), and it had brightness (Saturn's rings) round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow (i.e., the rainbow) that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Ex_24:10 says, "And they saw the God of Israel (i.e., the Son of God, the LORD of hosts, Isa 44:6): and there was under his feet as it were (i.e., as if it were) a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were (as if it were) the body of heaven (ie., the heavenly body) in his clearness."
"Blue Sapphire gem stone meaning...The sapphire is the SYMBOL OF HEAVEN...the birthstone of September"

In Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, the word sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani (Saturn) and priya (dear). ( Mt.) Sinai is probably from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, too.

"Translation of Sani in English - Free Online Translation › English Translation Sani (Sanskrit) The planet Saturn or its regent (i.e., ruler); in the Hindu pantheon, the son of Surya (i.e., the Sun god)...Dictionary source: Victors - English Romanian Technical Dictionary"

Jesus truly was born of Mary when the Moon was under Virgo's feet on September 4, 5 BC, but Rev 12 seems to be more comprehensive that that. Seven times, in Rev 2:7, 11, 17, 29 and 3:6, 13, 22 all say, " He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". In The Revelation of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit is talking to the "churches", the Body of Christ when the Rapture is near. Why is that emphasized? because the wise virgins are going to be caught up to the "morning star", Christ in Heaven when it is a morning star.

Rev_2:28 says, "And I will give him the morning star."

Rev_22:16 says, "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

I have enclosed a picture of the sky at midnight on June 4, 2013. Saturn is not only a morning star, it is under Virgo's feet. When Jesus was born, the Moon was under Virgo's feet.

Saturn was at its closest to the Earth on April 28. It will still be close for weeks. It was at opposition on the 28th. Earth was on a line between the Sun and Saturn that day. If we were planning a Rapture, wouldn't we plan for Earth and Heaven to be as close together as possible?

Rev 1:19 says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the Rapture).

Rev 2:26-29 says, "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star (i.e., Saturn). 29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

Rev 12:6-17 says, "And the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven (Mid-Trib): Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame (past tense) him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM (the Bride of Christ). Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time (i.e., the Great Tribulation is to be shortened). 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman (Israel) which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (i.e., the Great Tribulation), from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. (Petra floods)16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Rev 17:7,8 says, "And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman (i.e., the harlot church), and of the beast (Satan) that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was (i.e., was in Judas Iscariot) and is not (i.e., in man now); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition (the False Prophet): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

The False Prophet will become Satan-possessed at Mid-Trib.

Zec 5:5-11 says, "Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth (i.e., the harlot church). 6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah (a measure for wheat) that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth. 7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. 8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. 9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women (two religious groups), and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. 10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? 11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (i.e., the Tower of Babel).

All of the seven seals can happen during the 1040-day Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation is not the Day of the Lord. The great and terrible Day of the Lord is one day, the Day of God's Wrath, Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type. The reason it is a long day is because the asteroid impact turns the world upside down.

Isa_24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

Rev 6:-17 says, "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow (toxon, plain fabric i.e., he is a man of the cloth, a religious leader); and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. 3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. 5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. 7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. 8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. 9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 11:1 shows us that the Rapture is Mid-Trib when the 2 witnesses return to Earth.

Rev 11:1-4 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (egeiro, LIFT UP, TAKE UP), and measure the temple of God (i.e., the believers in Heaven), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (the Great Tribulation). 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks (i.e., Moses and Elijah) standing before the God of the earth." They stand by Jesus at the Transfiguration.

Zec_4:11-14 says, "Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? 12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth."

Mat 17:1-3 says, "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him".

There are two Raptures, the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:13-18 and the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54. The two COME UP HITHERS are in Rev 4:1 and 11:12.


Rev 4:1-4 says, "After this (i.e., after the message to the Laodiceans) I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty ELDERS sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."


Rev 11:12-19 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty ELDERS, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come (i.e., the Second Advent is 7 months future); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."


Rev_19:11 says, "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war."

This war is Armageddon.

> > You postulate that Mid-Trib is approaching in early June. > > Personally, I don't see how this is feasible. The sacrifices are to be cut off "Mid-week" when the AC causes them to cease.

Dan 9:27 says, "And he shall confirm (gawbar, strengthen) the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

If the Roman prince that shall come strengthens the covenant for 7 Years at Mid-Trib, he could cause the sacrificing to cease at the end of the Great Tribulation. That determined shall be poured on him at the end of the Great Tribulation. The abominations are shiqquts, idols.

> > please note:

> > There is no temple.

But there is a Temple Mount.

> > There are no sacrifices going on.

It isn't for want of trying. Wait until Moses and Elijah get here at the time of the First-Trump Rapture. The altar has been made. The lambs have been procured. I think they have a red heifer if it didn't get disqualified. Everything is ready. The government just has to be convinced. Wait until the covenant is agreed to. Israel may get control of part of the Temple Mount.

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

They will have a little clout. Rev 11:6 says, "These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will."

Now, the court nixes the sacrificing, but after Moses and Elijah are here, it may be a different story.

"Court nixes Passover lamb sacrifice at Temple Mount - Israel …
"Wednesday, May 08, 2013 Iyyar ... Court nixes Passover lamb sacrifice at Temple Mount . ... the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful ...

> > There is no AC revealed that has "confirmed the covenant".

When the Lord wants it done, it will get done.

They are working on amending the existing agreement in Israel right now. The covenant is to be made stronger. It is to give Israel the right to a country. It is not to make two nations. It is just to bring peace.

"Officials: Israel-PA talks to resume in June",7340,L-4378537,00.html Attila Somfalvi Published: 05.10.13 / Israel News

"Top official says Israel has agreed to freeze or slow down pace of settlement construction to entice Palestinians to return to negotiation table

"The peace negations between Israel and the Palestinians are expected to resume in June, a senior Israeli official said Thursday amid US Secretary of State John Kerry's intensive efforts to jumpstart the stalled talks.

"Israel has presented to the United States a list of measures it is willing to take, including freezing or slowing the pace of construction outside the settlement blocs," said the official, who is familiar with the talks between Jerusalem and Washington. "Now we are awaiting a response from the Palestinian side. They must express their opinion and willingness, but the overall direction is the resumption of talks in the near future."

"The Palestinians recently announced their willingness to resume economic negotiations with Israel, after refusing for years, since Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu began his second term, to conduct such talks for fear that "economic peace" would be an alternative to a "diplomatic peace" that would lead to the establishment of an independent Palestinian state.

"On Wednesday Justice Minister Tzipi Livni and Attorney Yitzhak Molcho met with Kerry in Rome. Kerry and Livni, who is in charge of the negotiations with the Palestinians, said they were optimistic regarding the possibility that talks would resume soon. Molcho is Prime Minister Netanyahu's aide."

"Top official says Israel has agreed to freeze or slow down pace of settlement construction to entice Palestinians to return to negotiation table"

They have had several meetings already. Don't worry. God gets things done when he wants them done. All we need to do is study the Scriptures thoroughly, then sit back and watch him work. He will bring everything to pass just the way he planned it before the world began.

Has a Bible prophecy ever failed? No, and rest assured, it never will. The Lord is in complete control. It will get done the way he dictated it, not necessarily the way we understand it. We are near-sighted, and struggle to understand the big picture. Sometimes, we have to start over and revise our view. I like to discuss these things with others. It seems that the Lord gives understanding of different things to different people. We all get farther if we put our heads together. Agape

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