Pro and Con 1720

Posted 5-16-13


By Scott Sutherland, 6 May, 2013

An ancient pyramid and dozens of stone lines that align with the pyramid and the sunset at winter solstice have been found in the Chincha Valley in Southern Peru.

The pyramid called Cerro del Gentil, dated 600 to 50 BC, is not much to look at. It is 16 ft. tall, made out of adobe clay, and covered with grass. It has a flat top. The lines running to it are not absolutely straight rows of rocks, but when viewed from a distance, they are good enough to direct your eyes to the setting Sun at the winter solstice. It would look as if it were sitting on the flat top of the pyramid.

We had adobe clay when we lived in La Mirada, a suburb of Los Angeles, CA. Adobe is very hard to work. I ruined my back digging a 28' x 4' Doughboy swimming pool halfway into the ground. There was one section I could not budge. It was as hard as a brick. The men had to use pick axes to get that broken up. Whatever is built of adobe clay is likely to remain and not get washed away by normal rainfall, especially if covered by grass.

In my mind, this setup is a calendar of sorts. When the Sun is at the winter solstice, the people would know not to plant a food crop even if the days were warm. There are other lines that may have lined up with the Sun at the spring equinox, the summer solstice and the autumn equinox. That is all that would be necessary to know when to plant and when not to plant. I think Stonehenge was used as a calendar too.

Over 200 rock cairns, each about 15 metres in diameter, have been found between the lines. They might have been piled up to just clear the field of view so the lines they wanted to use could be easily seen

I think the circles and huge limestone T-shaped pillars at Gobekli Tepe, Turkey, were used in much the same way. The picture above shows how those could have been used.

The Hopi Indians used something similar. Their calendar wheel with the Winter Solstice and Summer Solstice marked will come up if you search on Google.

"Hopi sacred time and space are marked by positions on the horizon where the sun rises and sets at summer and winter solstices. The solstice points in the southeast, where the sun rises at winter solstice (December 21st), and in the northwest, where the sun sets at the summer solstice (June 21st), are known as the sun's houses (Tawaki). The sun chief or priest of the Water (Patki) Clan is responsible for "sun watching" near the solstices. These observations form the basis for the Hopi Calendar within which the sacred ceremonies such as Katsina dances, Social Dances, and planting times occur."

The structures at Gobekli Tepe in Turkey were set up right after the ice age, so they were probably built by the angels that kept not their first estate. I think the angels were taller than humans.

Jude 1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation (i.e., the planet Rahab, now our Asteroid Belt), he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." They could see God. They were tried, judged and sentenced to prison before Adam was created. He was made a little lower than the angels. He couldn't see God, but if man, who can't see God can still obey him, God is perfectly just in sentencing the fallen angels that could see God to prison for their disobedience.

Knesset member calls for building of synagogue in Al-Aqsa courtyard

15 May 2013 Middle East

Israeli Knesset member, Mordechai Eugev, has called for a Jewish synagogue to be built in the southern part of the Aqsa Mosque courtyard.

A statement from the Aqsa Foundation for Heritage and Islamic Endowments said that Israel's campaign against Al-Aqsa Mosque has been continuous and provocative. The latest chapter in this saga is the article published by Eugev, in which he called for a synagogue to be built in the courtyard of the Mosque.

Israeli Knesset member, Mordechai Eugev, has called for a Jewish synagogue to be built in the southern part of the Aqsa Mosque courtyard.

INCOMING EMAIL: Fwd: Rapture vision

Mon, 13 May 2013
I am passing this along! I cannot verify the dream other than this is from a source who I know and he is a prophecy teacher. I don't know the time, if the rapture is soon but events show that we are close to the end. Christ will come when He is ready! Blessings.

My Daughter's Visit to Heaven and the Rapture
On April 6, 2013, my daughter Shae, age 11-years told me this experience that she had. This is her account of heaven, time being over, and the coming rapture: It was somewhere between 9 to 9:30 am, when my daughter was frantic and excited when she shouted: "Mommy, Mommy, Mommy." I was alarmed, as I wanted to know what had happened. As I ran to her and asked her what was wrong she said: "I am so excited" and she began to cry. I again asked her what happened. She then began to give her account of the following:

She said that when she first awoke this morning, she saw a huge angel in the room. She was very frightened but could not say anything. She then tuned to face her left on the bed and saw another angel standing there also. She then heard a voice saying: "I am taking you to heaven."

Within moments, she was in a very beautiful place looking at a throne made of a very, very bright light. She said she could not see the entire throne, just the feet of WHO was sitting on the huge throne. She then saw a MAN WHO was so big and tall but very beautiful and HE said to her: "Come up here!" Immediately she began to fly and flew directly up and sat on this MAN's shoulder. She said she did not need to ask who he was because she automatically knew HE was JESUS.

HE then said to her: "I am going to show you what will happen very, very soon." HE first took her to where some fruit trees were and she saw an apple tree which had some beautiful apples. She wanted to have one and the LORD got one for her. As she took it, the fruit changed to a different color in her hand. JESUS then took her back to the FATHER's Throne to witness something that was about to happen. When they arrived at the Throne of GOD, she saw a huge clock appear in heaven and the time was 12:00. She also noticed some angels standing at a specific location. A huge hand pointed to the clock and then she heard the loud blaring sounds coming from the trumpets as the angels sounded them. The LORD JESUS then said to her: "Come let me show you what is happening on earth." In seconds, they were on earth. As she looked, she saw millions of angels descend to the earth. As they did, some of them went to graves to collect people. She said this was happening so fast she could not see but still being transported by JESUS on HIS Shoulders. HE knew her thoughts and either adjusted her eyes or slowed down the event to allow her to see what was really happening. The graves broke open and the angels came and took those who belonged to JESUS up out of the graves. The manner in which they took them out was described as taking a sleeping baby up out of their beds. As soon as this task was complete, all those who are still alive and belong to JESUS flew up into the sky to join with HIM and the angels and went into Heaven. JESUS then took her back to heaven. When she got back to heaven with JESUS, HE took her to see our grandmother who passed away last October. She described her as being very young and beautiful. JESUS then gave her this message and sent her back:

HE said: "Tell them: I am no longer coming, but I AM HERE! TIME IS OVER!!!"

Ron and Jennifer grounds


Thanks. I sure hope the Rapture is soon. It looks like it will be Mid-Trib, maybe June 4, 2013. Satan and the fallen angels will probably come down as we go up.

I think the Second Advent will be Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016, on the anniversary of Jesus' resurrection on April 9, 30 AD.

Eze 45:18 says, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary".

I subtracted the 2300 days of the Tribulation in Dan 8:13,14 and got Dec 22, 2009 for the beginning of the Tribulation. Then I added 1260 days to find Mid-Trib, June 4, 2013.

I just happened to think of this. Ed was 4.5 years older than me. When we get together again in Heaven, we will both be 33.


By Marilyn Agee
Job 11:6 says, "And that he (God) would shew thee the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is!"

Ecc 1:9,10 says, "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us."


Mar 13:23 says "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things."

Amo 3:7 says "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

Mat_10:26 says "there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."

Mar 4:22 says "For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad."

Luk_12:2 says "For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known."

Dan 12:10 says "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."


The two Raptures are not totally alike.

The first Rapture is for the wise virgins (Rev 4:1). The last one is for the foolish virgins, the 144,000 Israelites, and a great multitude that no man can number (Rev 7:9,14).

The reality check brought on by the first Rapture will bring in a lot of people at the last Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath just before Satan's asteroid Wormwood impacts Earth and obliterates Babylon near the Euphrates. It will probably bring the Lake of Fire into reality.


1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."


1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE SHALL BE CHANGED. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."


Rev 4:1-4 says, "After this I (John, one of the 24 elders) looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of A TRUMPET TALKING WITH ME; WHICH SAID, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter (i.e., after the first Rapture). 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (i.e., the only God/man, Jesus Christ) sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (last stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (first stone in the breastplate): and there was a rainbow (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about the throne (on Saturn), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

Rev 5:8-10 says, " saints. And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth.


Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Rev_14:3 And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, WHICH WERE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH."


2Co 12:2-4 says, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Luk_23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in PARADISE.
2Co_12:4 How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the PARADISE of God."

Josephus, a Pharisee Priest, indicated that the Lampstand stood for 1. Sun, 2. Mercury, 3. Venus, 4. Earth, 5. Mars, 6. Jupiter, and 7. Saturn. (Ant. III. VI. 7)

Earth's first heaven is Mars, the second heaven Jupiter, and the third Heaven Saturn.

Eze 1:1,26-28 says, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God....26 And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (the only God/man, Jesus Christ) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it (i.e., it looks like a lighted lamp in the night sky), from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's rings). 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 4, 5 BC.

"September's birthstone is the SAPPHIRE, WHICH MEANS HEAVEN."
"Blue sapphire (meaning): It is of a blue color and is associated with SATURN."
"Because of its divine blue, Sapphire is called the GEMSTONE OF THE HEAVENS....
"The word "sapphire" has its descent from several ancient languages: the Persian word "safir" (meaning "beloved of SATURN"), the Latin "sapphirus" (meaning "blue"), and the Greek word "sappheiros" for the island of Sappherine in the Arabian Sea where sapphires were found in ancient Grecian times....According to an ancient legend, the table on which the Ten Commandments were written was made up of sapphires....For a gem such as sapphire that has ruled for over million years, there are countless myths, legends, lore associated with it".

In The Legends of The Jews by Louis Ginzberg, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and Aaron reside in the Third Heaven.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise (EGEIRO, LIFT UP, TAKE UP), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein."


1Co_3:16,17 says, "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

1Co_6:19 says, "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

Rev 7:9,14 says, "Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"...

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."


Not in the winter or on the Sabbath day:

Mat 24:20-21 says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

If we are caught up in the spring, which seems likely, there will be great tribulation in the following winter.

Not in Nisan, month of the latter rain

Song of Solomon says, "winter is past, the rain is over and gone". In June, in the spring, before June 21, the grape harvest begins. We are the grapes.

Church of the firstborn, as in the days of Noah, no asteroid hit Earth. The windows of Heaven were open.

Church of the lastborn, as in the days of Lot, an asteroid hit Earth. Lot escaped to Zoar (meaning smallness), one of the most ancient cities of the land of Canaan.


Song 2:10-17 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; 12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove, i.e., April to October) is heard in our land; 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places (not in the original) of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. 15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes. 16 My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies. 17 Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains of Bether" (meaning separation, i.e., there are two Raptures).


Isa 18:3-6 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (i.e., the UN flag) on the mountains (kingdoms); and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye. 4 For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider (see) in my dwelling place (i.e, Saturn) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. 5 For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches. (i.e., in the spring) 6 They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them".

Jer_5:24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in HIS season (i.e., First Advent on Tishri 1, Second Advent on Nisan 1): he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the HARVEST." The grape harvest starts in early June.

Hos 6:1-3 says, "Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. 2 After two days (i.e., 2000 years) will he revive us: in the third day (3rd Millennium) he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. 3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter (Nisan 1, Second Advent on first day of Jubilee year, Sat. April 9, 2016, anniversary of Jesus' Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD) and former (Tishri 1, First Advent on Feast of Trumpets, Sept 4, 5 BC) rain unto the earth."

In Israel, the barley harvest starts on Firstfruits, the wheat harvest starts on Pentecost, and the grape harvest starts in early June. Jer_8:20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended (i.e., the fall equinox is Sun. Sept 22. Tishri 18, 5774, this year), and we are not saved.

Mat 24:20 says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day"

Mar_13:18 echoes, "And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter."

Mat 24:29-31 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and THEY SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

The saints that are already in Heaven, caught up in the First Rapture, are called to the General Assembly in Heaven.

Heb 12:22-24 says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant".

Luk 17:27 says, "They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all."


A dark day, rocks falling like figs in the wind, the Sign of the Son of man is seen in the sky
As in the days of Lot, it rained fire and brimstone

Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest USE THEM FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY, AND FOR THE JOURNEYING OF THE CAMPS. 3 And when they shall blow with them (i.e., both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET, then the princes (i.e., elders), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."


Mar 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

Luk 17:24 says, "For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day."

The Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky on the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath.

Mar 13:24-27 says, "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they SEE the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

Luk_17:29,30 says, "But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."

2Th_1:7 says, "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels".

Luk 17:36,37 says, "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."

The Body of Christ will be in Heaven, and the Tribulation saints will fly to Heaven that day just before the Wrath of God hits Earth.

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