Pro and Con 1726

Posted 6-11-13



Gemini is the Bride and Bridegroom sitting together in heavenly places.

Eph 2:4-10 says, "God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And HATH RAISED US UP TOGETHER, AND MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS: 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

The lyre the Bride is holding means "Praise for the Conqueror." That fits. The Bridegroom has praise for Christ.
"NASA's Swift satellite and the Hubble Space Telescope (HST) have also imaged Comet ISON recently...Swift's ultraviolet observations determined that the comet's main body was spewing some 850 tons of dust per second at the beginning of the year, leading astronomers to estimate the comet's nucleus diameter is some 3-4 miles (5-6 kilometers). HST scientists concurred with that size estimate, adding that the comet's coma measures about 3100 miles (5000 km) across."


Wow! 850 tons a second. How long can it last at that rate?

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: Charles (11 June 2013)"Thursday, We are the circumcision, Christian neighbors"

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

These are the hallmarks of how God wants us to worship ie truly practice the Christian worship.

Yes I had a dream vision as I was being raptured off my couch where I fall asleep reading the bible I said I can't believe the rapture was on a Thursday.

Christians as neighbors are a blessing true but its hard to witness to anyone when your own brothers are asleep as to the time at hand.

It's as if your yelling run to deck put on your lifevests get in the boat and everyone else is still in the lounge looking out the window saying I don't see any iceberg. But they are looking out the wrong side.


> > Yes I had a dream vision as I was being raptured off my couch where I fall asleep reading the bible I said I can't believe the rapture was on a Thursday.

Oh, thank you so much. I do hope the Rapture will be on Thursday the 13th.

That would be perfect for me, born during Hanukkah, on Dec. 13th, and married on the 13th. Agape


> > The last Jubilee began in the fall of 1966, thus, the regaining of Jerusalem in '67 was within the Jewish year that began in '66.

> > The next 50th year would begin in the fall of 2016.

I think that is close, but the Jubilee year starts on the 1st month, 1st day, Nisan 1, not the 7th month, 10th day, Tishri 10.

> > If the prophecy of Samuel Ben Judah is correct, the Messiah would have to return before the fall of 2016, since that is the beginning of the 11th Jubilee year.

I think it is safe to go by the prophecies of Rabbi Judah ben Samuel, because he said that Jerusalem would be controlled by the Ottoman Turks for 400 years. He hit it on the nose and his prophecy was 300 years before the Ottoman Turks took Jerusalem. They kept it 400 years, and that isn't all he foretold.

"the Mamluk Bahri dynasty...held power over Jerusalem until they were conquered by the Ottoman Turks in the year of 1517, three hundred years after the death of Rabbi Judah ben Samuel."

The "Ottoman Turks gained control of Jerusalem in the year 1517 and held power over Jerusalem for 400 years, when they were conquered in 1917, by the British military forces under the command of British military General Edmund Allenby ON HANUKKAH, December 17, 1917."

"When he was asked where he received his wisdom from, his answer was:

Rabbi Judah ben Samuel: "The prophet Elijah, who will precede the Messiah, appeared to me and revealed many things to me and emphasized that the precondition for answered prayer is that it is fueled by enthusiasm and joy for the greatness and holiness of God."

Refer to the chart "Rabbi Judah ben Samuel's Prophecy of Ten Jubilees"

"1217 Rabbai Judah Ben Samuel
1517 Turks take control of Jerusalem
1917 Turks lose Jerusalem
1967 6-Day War
2017 The Day of the Lord?"

The only thing I find wrong in the Rabbi's words is he counts a Jubilee as 50 years. I think the Jubilee cycle is 49 years, and the 50th year is both the Jubilee and the first year of the next cycle.

Here is where I differ with this author that wrote about the Rabbi's prophecies:

"If this Sabbatical Messianic cycle 2009-2017 is completed and the GogUMogog war does begin within the year between Rosh Hashanah 2015 to Rosh Hashanah 2016, then the Messianic Era will commence before Rosh Hashanah 2017. We are currently in the 4th year of the Sabbatical Messianic Cycle that began on Rosh Hashanah 2009, in the Jewish year 5773 (2013)."

I think the Gog and Magog War will start, and end, on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Mon. Sept. 14, 2015.

I think the Jubilee will be announced on the following Day of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015. Every wall will have fallen, so the Israelites will construct booths to live in by Tabernacles, Sept. 28, 2015.

There are 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, 5776, because 5776 is a Leap Year with 13 months.

Eze. 39:1f says, "Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
Eze 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel...
Eze 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 39:8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
Eze 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
Eze 39:12 And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
Eze 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD."

I think Jesus will be glorified seven months later. I think the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016, the anniversary of Jesus' Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD. It will be the first day of the Jubilee, Sacred and Regnal years.

I think the Jubilee Year will begin with the Second Advent of Christ on Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016. The Jubilee Year must be preceded by a Sabbatic Year. 5775 is Sabbatic. This locks in the Jubilee Year.

The sanctuary will be cleansed on Nisan 1.

Eze 45:17,48 says, "And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. 18 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month (i.e., Nisan 1), thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary"

That will be the first day of the Jubilee Year. It will be announced with the Great Trumpet blast on the previous Tishri 10, 5776, so the people that will move to a different house can pack up and get ready.

Mat_12:8 says, "the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."

I think it is lawful to heal on the Sabbath, because at the Second Advent, Jesus and his saints will fight the Battle of Armageddon on the Sabbath. It looks like R.B. Thieme was right, that each one of us will bump one demon. That war will therefore be over in a hurry.

Rev_16:16 says, "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

It looks like the saved will equal Satan and his forces "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah" (I Pet 3:20).

Psa 149:5-9 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. 6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; 8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; 9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD." Agape


How can there be two raptures ?

Rev. 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindred's of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." 1 Cor. 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we [everyone] shall be changed."

Once Jesus arrives there will be no more need for FAITH. Read the faith chapter; Hebrews 11. It was only by FAITH in God's word.

John 10:9 Jesus said: "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture."

Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [Jesus] shall be saved. Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

Speaking of Jesus [Immanuel=God with us]
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." I do believe "they" call that the Trinity: Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

John 1:2-5 "The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

John 1:6 "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."

Malachi 3:1-3 "Behold, I will send my messenger [John the Baptist], and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord [Jesus], whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the [Jesus is the] messenger of the [new] covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' sope [liquid to dip into]: And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness." And He did.

The Rapture is going to be instantaneous and no one is going to be left behind. Folks are going UP or DOWN. We have to choose NOW.

2 Cor. 6:2 "(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)"

NOT TOMORROW BUT NOW !!! Don't wait to see what's going to happen. You've been warned for almost 2,000 years. Be wise. Get educated. The ignorant will fall into the abyss. There is no excuse.

May God bless the reading of His [kjv] Word.

Writ cuz I luv y'all ;o) It could be just 4 months down the road of this life. I'm watching and calculating also. God's Book is an outline of 6,000 years of Time with many timelines. He is called "Palmoni" the great numberer. I'm expecting to see all you 'saved' folks on the "flip flop".

May the Lord bless you, keep his face upon you, and give you peace. Amen


> > How can there be two raptures ?

Scripture teaches it. We have to let it say what it says. The saints are caught up at two different times, around Mid-Trib and before God's Wrath hits Earth at the end of the Great Tribulation.



1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."


Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Of the first Rapture, Rev 5:8-10 says, "... saints. 9 And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."


1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."


Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Rev 7:14 is "hereafter" the first Rapture. These are the 144,000 Israelites. Along with them is a great multitude that do have to wash their robes in the blood of Christ to make them white.


Rev 14:1-5 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

> > The Rapture is going to be instantaneous and no one is going to be left behind. Folks are going UP or DOWN. We have to choose NOW.

The foolish virgins are going to be left behind.

Mat 25:5-10 says, "While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out (lit., going out, i.e., sputtering). 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut."

How are the foolish virgins going to get to Heaven? Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: The two witnesses

You say the two witnesses are Moses & Elijah???????????????????


Many people look upon the two witnesses of Revelation 11 and speculate they are two individual people. Some say they are Moses and Elijah, others say they are Enoch and Moses.

Most of the people of God place the two witnesses in a street in physical Jerusalem. They are building their houses upon the sand, which is to say they are building upon the surface. I question these doctrines because the LORD has shown me something much different. It is my belief these two witnesses have been with the people of God from the beginning. A testimony has the power to give life or take a life it has the power to condemn or set free. A testimony dwells within a person. Therefore a testimony bears witness. John bared witness of Christ that all through Him might believe. John gave testimony of the Messiah, saying that He would baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire, Matthew 3:11. We see the testimony that John had dwelling inside him was a witness for Christ.

There are many streets in physical Jerusalem. One translation of the Bible calls it Main Street. It is my belief that we need to be very careful of what translation of the Bible we use. Many of these translations have added words in and taken words out of the Bible and totally changing the meaning. It is also my belief we need to be very careful of the things we allow in the temple. It is the little foxes that spoil the vine, Song of Solomon 2:15.

Many people are wrongly dividing the Word of Truth. They are accepting anything as truth that comes their way. The Saints are obligated to teach people how to rightly divide the word of truth. The Saints of God are obligated to train up a child in the way he should go teaching them how to rightly divide the word of truth. If we teach a babe in Christ how to rightly divide the Word of Truth, the Word of Truth will teach the Child how to walk in perfect love, in which will cast out all fear. The perfect will of God bears witness against a person or for a person. When the perfect will of God bears witness against a person, they will rise up in bitterness. We see the testimony inside of each person as: the witness and not the person giving the testimony.In other words if you are summoned into a court of law to testify for or against a person, the words you speak will either set him free or condemn the person. So in this we see the witness dwells within a person.

When the Word of Truth is rightly divided the perfect will of the Father CAN be proved. He will give infallible proofs, Acts 1:3. Infallible proof is Revelation knowledge received from the Father by the Word that no one can deny. Although some may reject the Revelation but still they will not be able to prove it wrong. In Revelation 11 we have two witnesses who will prophecy for forty two months breathing out fire from their mouth. We know the Spirit of Prophecy is the testimonies of Yahshua dwelling within the two prophets. The fire coming from their mouth is a reference to being very offensive.

It is my belief those two bearing their witness keeps the Commandments of God and have the testimonies of Yahshua. Because: the Law is written upon the hearts of these two bearing witnesses. With the Law written upon the heart they have the testimony of Christ. If we look into the Laws of God we will find the Law testified of the coming Messiah and the Prophets gave testimony of His coming. The testimony of Yahshua is the Spirit of Prophecy. In this we see the Prophets prophesied of Christ coming. Therefore if a person has the Commandments of God, that is to say the Law written upon the table of his heart. He will have a testimony of Yahshua, which is the Spirit of Prophecy. A beacon light on a hill cannot be hidden.

Who are the two witnesses? I see the two witnesses far greater than two individual people. The two witnesses are the Commandments of God and the Testimonies of Yahshua dwelling in two kinds of people both Jew and Gentile who are one with the Messiah.

What many are missing is Revelation 11:4, the two Olive Trees produces oil for the two lamp stands. The two Olive trees are the Law and the Prophets, which produces the oil of the Holy Spirit through Christ. The two lamp stands are two types of people both Jew and Gentile receiving the oil of the Holy Spirit. Every time these two types of people open their mouth, fire of the Holy Spirit proceeds out, meaning the Prophecies will be VERY offensive.

Leviticus 19:19 19‘you shall keep My statutes. You shall not let your livestock breed with another kind. You shall not sow your field with mixed seed. Nor shall a garment of mixed linen and wool come upon you.

Matthew 13:24-25 says the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man which sowed good seed in his field, but while they slept his enemy came and sowed tares in the field. Good seed is a reference to Truth; the tares are a reference to fleshly doctrine that cannot bow to truth. Many people are sowing mixed seed in the same field and calling it Spirit and Truth. Sowing natural seed in a Spiritual realm will corrupt the harvest. Sowing mixed seed in the same field will create an unsavory flavor and Christ will vomit it out. Sowing mixed seed creates a spirit to teach and prophecy falsely. Many teach the two witnesses are two natural human individuals, calling it Spirit and truth.

I have come to the conclusion that people either do not think for them selves or they cannot think any deeper than the surface. Whatever the case is, in the harvest Christ will send the reapers to gather the tares first in bundles to burn. He will harvest those who worship in Spirit and Truth, those who hear what the Spirit says and obey.

Those who sow mixed seed in the same field, go to and fro in a state of babble prophesying falsely teaching false doctrine, bringing false witness against Christ. If the people of God could just understand how big Babylon is, they would see how rich she is, Revelation 17:4. Babylon is the world supplier of all worldly goods. She is much larger than the United States, Canada and Mexico combine together. The merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her supplies, Revelation 18:3. It is no wonder the kings of the earth weep and lament when they see her going up in smoke. As I said, Babylon is a world supplier of goods. After her fall no longer will the kings of the earth be able supply the merchants of the earth with world traded goods. The store shelves will be empty because of the fall of Babylon. 99.9 percent of the people who claim Christ as LORD and savior dwell in Babylon and they do not realize it. The LORD has only a small remnant who never bowed to idol worship they are virgins. They have followed Him every where.

The two witnesses in Revelation 11 will call many of the people of God out of Babylon to rejoin the LORD in Spirit and truth. Zechariah 13:9 tells us that one-third of the city will return to the LORD and the LORD will purify them as gold and silver is purified with fire. The purification fire is the Great Tribulations, many will love the LORD more than life. Therefore by the Commandment of the LORD and the testimonies of Yahshua He will call His people out of Babylon, before she is destroyed. He will not loose one soul that belongs to Him. The two witnesses are the Commandments of God and testimonies of Yahshua dwelling in a very small remnant in which the LORD preserved alive and kept them pure and clean, and free of idolatry.

Not all who says LORD, LORD will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that does the will of the Father.


> > You say the two witnesses are Moses & Elijah???????????????????

> > Who are the two witnesses? I see the two witnesses far greater than two individual people. The two witnesses are the Commandments of God and the Testimonies of Yahshua dwelling in two kinds of people both Jew and Gentile who are one with the Messiah.

> > What many are missing is Revelation 11:4, the two Olive Trees produces oil for the two lamp stands. The two Olive trees are the Law and the Prophets, which produces the oil of the Holy Spirit through Christ. The two lamp stands are two types of people both Jew and Gentile receiving the oil of the Holy Spirit. Every time these two types of people open their mouth, fire of the Holy Spirit proceeds out, meaning the Prophecies will be VERY offensive.

Yes! I think the two witnesses are Moses and Elijah. Let's just look at some scriptures and see: Rev. 11:1-19; Zech 4:3-14; and Mt. 17:1-3.

Rev 11:1-19 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise (egeiro, lift up, take up, i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture MID-TRIB ), and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the temple of God, because He dwells in us), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. (i.e., the last half of the Tribulation, called the Great Tribulation)3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 THESE ARE THE TWO OLIVE TREES, AND THE TWO CANDLESTICKS STANDING BEFORE THE GOD OF THE EARTH. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast (i.e., Satan) that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (Rev 17:8) shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified (i.e., in Jerusalem). 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER (i.e., in the Last-Trump Rapture). And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

Now, let's look at Zech 4:2-14. It says, "And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: 3 And TWO OLIVE TREES (Moses and Elijah) by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof. 4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? 5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. 7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it. 8 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. 10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth. 11 Then answered I, and said unto him, WHAT ARE THESE TWO OLIVE TREES (Moses and Elijah) upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? 12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 14 Then said he, THESE ARE THE TWO ANOINTED ONES, THAT STAND BY THE LORD OF THE WHOLE EARTH."

Both Moses and Elijah stood by Jesus, the Lord of the whole Earth, at the Transfiguration, and maybe at his Ascension.

Mat 17:1-3 says, And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him."

Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH the King of Israel) , and I am the last (YHWH the redeemer, Christ, the YHWH of hosts) ; and beside me there is no God."

2Co_5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

> > It is my belief that we need to be very careful of what translation of the Bible we use. Many of these translations have added words in and taken words out of the Bible and totally changing the meaning.

I agree. The KJV is best. Agape

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