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Dare I think it because this links your timetable with the many web sites which claim the Oslo Accords Peace Treaty signed September 13, 1993, and agreed to in Jerusalem 3 days later on Tishri 1, fulfills Daniel 9:27. However, if these 7 years since September 13, 1993 are the seven years of plenty and the next seven years are the seven years of famine of the tribulation as foreshadowed by Joseph, they would end exactly at September 13, 2007, Tishri 1, 5768, which is your timetable. As you have noticed this can be said to be exactly 14 years in both the Gregorian and the Jewish calendar. As I am sure you are also aware, this also makes the start of the tribulation exactly at the start of the year 2000 as it existed 2000 years ago before the start of what is now our Gregorian calendar got pushed forward 9 months, in one 6 month and another 3 month interval.

My reply

I think the Oslo Accords probably was the barebones outline of the final seven-year peace treaty that will be CONFIRMED (Dan. 9:27) as the Tribulation/Seventieth Week of Daniel starts, probably on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. The date, Sept. 13, seems significant on our calendar, and the Tishri 1 ties in also, for in 2007, both dates coincide.

If we start with the Jewish Tishri 1, 5754 (our Sept. 16, 1993) and add the 7 good years, we come to Tishri 1, 5761 (our Sept. 30, 2001). Adding the 7 bad years to this, we come to Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007).

If we use our calendar, Sept. 13, 1993 plus 14 years is Sept. 13, 2007.

This seems to rough out the years, but does not hit exactly on the beginning of the Tribulation. However, it is probably only intended as a rough idea of our times. If the Tribulation starts on the Feast of Weeks (May 28, 2001), it may take awhile before things actually start to deteriorate anyway.

Since the Sept. 13 date appears at the beginning (the signing) and the end of this period, it seems intentional. Since Tishri 1, 5754 was when the accord was accepted in Jerusalem, adding 14 years brings us to Tishri 1, 5768. This too seems too good to not be intentional. It is marked in one way on our calendar and in another way on the Jewish one. Could you choose a better way to mark the day?

I think that Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007) is the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, that this is the Day of God's Wrath, and that the 2300 days, figured by Jewish inclusive reckoning, of Dan. 8:14 run from the Feast of Weeks in 5761 (our 2001) to this Feast of Trumpets in 5768 (our 2007).

I think we might be represented in some way by the fifth of the corn taken up in the good years. Thus, 1993 + 5 = 1998 seems possible for the Rapture. The fact that the Oslo Accords were actually signed during Elul could point to the Rapture in this month of Elul too. This makes the Eve of Trumpets (Elul 29, 5758; our Sept. 20, 1998) sound like a good bet, doesn't it?

this also makes the start of the tribulation exactly at the start of
If we use the Jewish 5754 (our Sept. 16, 1993), and add seven years, we come to the Jewish 5761, which runs from our Sept. 30, 2000 to our Sept. 18, 2001. The Feast of Weeks (May 28, 2001) is within this year.

I don't remember anything about the Gregorian calendar getting pushed forward 9 months. Ten days were dropped to bring it in line with the seasons.
In 1582, to correct an error in the Julian calendar, Oct. 5 became Oct. 15. Because this was done by Pope Gregory XIII, it is called the Gregorian calendar. At that time, there was only one other change. Centesimal years were only to be leap years if they could be divided by 400.

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you wrote:
I'm hoping for the Rapture on the Eve of the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 20.

And what if instead of the Rapture, we enter the tribulation, will your faith survive? The Bible just doesn't support the rapture as being a separate event from Christ's Second coming. I'm sorry, I'd like there to be a rapture, but I think instead of whisking us away supernaturally, God will protect His elect through the Tribulation (like He did Noah) until the day of His return seven years later on Rosh Hoshannah either this year or next.

The falling away, is what will happen when the persecution of the saints begins, Matthew 24 mentions this. Be strong and persevere no matter the outcome, and you are right, full recompense is ours in the Lord.

My reply

My faith cannot be broken. Period. I know who Jesus Christ really is, the Almighty himself. In Rev. 1:8, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega (i.e., the first and last), the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

He is called Yahweh of hosts in Isa. 44:6: "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH, Yahweh) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHVH, Yahweh) of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." He is "Emmanuel...God with us" (Mt. 1:23). He is the creator. "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:3,4,14).

I think our "blessed hope" (Tit. 2:13) is to be caught away before the Tribulation hits. Why else are we to pray to be worthy to escape? "Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

We are to be kept "FROM the hour of temptation (pierasmos, trial), which shall come upon ALL THE WORLD, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (Rev. 3:10).

"Only with thine EYES shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling" (Psa. 91:8-10).

Noah was taken up by water (symbol of the Holy Spirit) just as we will be taken up by the Holy Spirit. He was above the death dealt to the wicked on Earth. He was above all the mountains.

Psalm 40:1-3 says, "I WAITED patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was taken up out of a pit), out of the miry clay (our bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established by goings. And the hath put a new song (sung after the Rapture in Revelation 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." These who see the Rapture take place are part of the great multitude saved during the Tribulation.

the day of His return seven
The Tribulation will be worse than anything we have gone through so far. It is to begin when the peace covenant is CONFIRMED (Dan. 9:27).

I don't think Christ will return on Rosh HaShanah in any year. I think he will be crowned in Heaven with his golden crown on Rosh HaShanah, Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007), take his Bride at the Marriage of the Lamb, then mete out judgment at the Judgment Seat of Christ. The saints in Heaven will receive their rewards, and the unbelievers will get what they deserve on Earth (Rev. 11:17:18). It is the Day of God's Wrath.

Seven Jewish months (Ezek. 39:12) will go by while the Jews bury the dead so Christ can return in glory on Nisan 1, 5768, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year (Regnal because he is King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of lords). It is seven months from Tishri 1 because 5768 is a leap year.

We can see this date in Ezek. 29:17,21. Nisan 1, the first month and first day of the month is set in verse 17. That it is Nisan 1 can be seen in Ezek. 45:18,21. It is the month of the Passover. Then verse 21 says, "In that day will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD (YHVH)."
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I wanted to get back to you and explain what I mean't by the 9 months pushing forward of our calendar (earlier on P & C 173). I'll just quote C.A.L. Totten's, "Joshua's Long Day and The Dial of Ahaz" book which for reference was written in 1891 and published by Destiny Publishers of Merrimac, Massachusetts. From pages 100-101, Appendix D, Changes in the Times and Seasons: "The Romans changed the beginning of the year from September to March, and the Calendric year which preceded this change was therefore but 6 months long, i.e. the then current A.M. year had run from September to March, when the New Era began as 1st year of Rome. In the same way when Parliament changed the beginning from March to January the year of change was but 9 months long, i.e. the current year (1752 A.D.) had run from March to January (9 months) when the new era began to count as 1753 A.D. Thus the Romans got ahead of A.M. time, in so far as their enumeration of its years are concerned, by 6 months, and Parliament by 3 months more, making a total of 9 months ahead."

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Just thought about something this morning while driving to work in connection with the parable of the barren fig tree. For three years the Lord came to the tree and it didn't bare any fruit, then dung it and wait for one more year. That would mean the end off the third year or beginning of the fourth year something happens to "dung" the tree (Israel) to bring it back to faith. Is it possible that this "something" is the rapture. Nothing will bring people back to faith as the rapture would.

Just wondering. In His name. Maranatha.

My reply

It's possible, but the fig tree is dug about too. Also, there needs to be time to build the temple. It is there as the two witnesses begin their ministry at the beginning of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:1-3).

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Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Thank you for publishing my rather lengthy "treatise" proposing a 350 day "Pentecost" year and applying them to 40-year generations and 2000-year ages.

It could indeed be five very good coincidences that the math works out perfectly for going forward from when the Jews recaptured Jerusalem in 1967, 40 "Pentecost" years and coming out to the Jewish Judgement Day in 2005, to the day. And that Israel was just barely less than 20 "Pentecost" years old when it recaptured Jerusalem in 1967, not just barely 19. And that exactly 2000 "Pentecost" years from when it was reborn in 1948, the Church was born. And that 40 "Pentecost" years from when Jesus prophecied all these things, it appears like to the day, the second temple was destroyed in AV 9, 70 AD. And, going back from when Jesus prophecied all these things to come to pass, exactly 4000 "Pentecost" years for two ages brings us to 40 years before the Jewish calendar. The Jews claim their calendar starts when Adam and Eve were thrown out of the Garden of Eden and You yourself claim that Adam and Eve were in the garden 40 years. I do not know enough about the Jewish calendar to figure whether their 19 year cycle which it is based on works out to 20 "Pentecost" years. I'll let someone more qualified do the math on that.

I've been wondering why people would use a 350 day year or a 360 day year for that matter, instead of a 365.242199 day year. I was thinking back before we had seasons like we know it, i.e. the earth wasn't tilted on it's axis and the mountain ranges with fish fossels on top of them didn't exist to break up the weather pattern and elephants and tigers roamed the polar regions where it was quick-frozen to where the flesh can still be eaten today, (at one time Siberia generated more elephant tusk ivory than Africa), and mist came up from the ground instead of rain coming down, and clouds continuously covered the skys. I would think that the actual length of the solar year was a lot less obvious. There is also evidence that points to the earth's orbit originally being 360 days and the moon's orbit originally being 30 days and Mars orbit being twice that of Earths. One of my favorite science questions for kids is whether the Earth is closer to the Sun in Summer or in Winter. Of course for us in the Northern Hemisphere we are closer to the Sun in Winter. But that's not why I wrote and I will try to keep it short.

If you were warned about an army having 2300 fingers and toes and you wanted to figure out how many people were in the army, what would you do? Would you say that there were 2300 people? No. You would divide 2300 by 20 and come up with 115 people. Likewise if you were warned about a bad period of time composed of 2300 evenings and mornings and you wanted to figure out how many days this was would you say there was 2300 days? No. You would divide 2300 by 2 and come up with 1150 days. Enough said on that point.

But then, wouldn't you wonder why the Author of Daniel didn't just use the word days instead of evenings and mornings and then expect us to do the math? Maybe they weren't days as we know them so the Author couldn't. Anyway, what kind of day is composed only of evenings and mornings? What happened to the time around mid-day or the time around mid-night? Were they just skipped by the Author of Daniel? I don't think they were just skipped by accident. If you figure from 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM as mid-day and 10:00 PM to 2:00 AM as mid-night you come up with 8 hours. This means the "day" would only be 16 hours long. This isn't a day as we know it. This is only 2/3rds of a day. To make this period of time equal to days as we know it we would take 1150 days times 2/3rds. Without going into to much details about how an evening can be part of the previous day, you can come out to exactly 26 Jewish months. This ties in very nicely to P/C 171's "shortened days" and the sun shining for 1/3rd less of the day and the moon shining for 1/3rd less of the day and the sun being seven times hotter and no flesh surviving without the speed up in the earth's rotation. (By the way I have always been facinated that the moon's rotation speed is exactly the same as it's orbit time. That way we never get to see the other side of the moon. (Which by the way has significantly less craters than the side facing us.)

You may indeed be right with 2007 instead of 2005 for Christ's bodily return. Either date can fit a Church rapture the evening of September 20, 1998, Jerusalem time. With 2005, and 360-day years which fit the rest of Daniel's 70-week prophecy, the Tribulation would not start for another 20 days. We will know soon enough. Shalom

My reply

You are entitled to your own beliefs and interpretations. However, I not only do not believe in a 350-day Pentecost year, I do not see how 2005 could possibly be "Christ's bodily return." In your email posted on P & C 167, you said,

> > I wonder if we can work out a chronology based on assuming that Christ's
> > triumphant return to Jerusalem will be on October 4, 2005

My reply was,
> I tried all the possible years, and 5766 did not work. It is not a leap year.
> There must be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1 (Ezek. 39:12). That is
> not possible unless it is a Jewish leap year.

The Jewish year 5766 also does not have the necessary 2300 days from the Feast of Weeks in 5760 to the Feast of Trumpets in 5766. Nisan 1 is not on Sunday. Nothing fits.

> I was thinking back before we had seasons like we know it, i.e. the earth
> wasn't tilted on it's axis and the mountain ranges with fish fossels on top
> of them didn't exist to break up the weather pattern and elephants
> and tigers roamed the polar regions where it was quick-frozen to where the flesh
> can still be eaten today

Those "elephants" and "tigers" were actually mammoths and sabre-toothed tigers. They belong to the time before Adam was put on Earth. They were not in Noah's Ark.

> if you were warned about a bad period of time composed of 2300 evenings and
> mornings and you wanted to figure out how many days this was would you say
> there was 2300 days? No. You would divide 2300 by 2 and come up with 1150 days.

Man does not always think as God thinks. Gen. 1:5 is clear, "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." "Ereb" means evening or night. "Boqer" means morning or morrow. Together, they comprised one full day. Here is the way the NIV translates verse 5: "God called the light 'day,' and the darkness he called 'night.' And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day."

We can tell that the shortened Tribulation lasts more than 1150 days. Moses and Elijah prophesy 1260 days (Rev. 11:3), and that is only to the middle of the seven years.

> wonder why the Author of Daniel didn't just use the word days
> instead of evenings and mornings

The Bible prophecies can't be so clear that the unbeliever can understand them. Isa. 28:13 says, "the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept...line upon line...that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." Dan. 12:10 says, "none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." Without the indwelling Holy Spirit, the prophecies are so much nonsense.

> the moon. (Which by the way has significantly less craters than the side
> facing us.)

This is because the Moon material was blasted off of the Earth before Adam was put on the Earth.

> You may indeed be right with 2007 instead of 2005 for Christ's bodily return.

I don't think Christ's bodily return is until Nisan 1, 5768, our April 6, 2008.

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I purchased your book 'End of The Age' back in 1994. I found it to be both interesting and informative. Having been a Christian for some time now and after reading your book, I have been searching for answers to the following questions:
1. What specifically (besides praising the Lord) will Christians be doing in Heaven? Will we have jobs or will it be more like a country club?

2. If alien life does exist, what is its purpose? Should we believe that God has created it for some reason?

3. You have said that NOT ALL Christians would be called up at the rapture. This goes against everything I have ever been taught about the rapture of the church. Does not the Lord speak of keeping his church from the hour of temptation? Example: Take a Christian who is and has been living in the spirit of the Lord day in and day out (for years). This Christian tells a lie or has a sinful thought on September 20, 1998 5 seconds before the Lord calls up His Bride. This Christian has gone out of fellowship until he/she confesses this sin, will he/she stay or go. If he/she stays, is this fair? Is this love? Is'nt God is both?

I truly appreciate your work in spreading God's word. May He richly bless you, your family and journalism. Sincerely

My reply

Glad you enjoyed my book.

1. I can't be dogmatic, but I have an idea that we just might replace the fallen angels in the government of God. One thing for sure, we won't just play harps forever. We will have work to do.

2. So-called aliens are the fallen angels. They are trying to confuse and deceive mankind.

3. I am not the judge. Jesus Christ is, and one of his attributes is perfect justice. He is fair, and always deals with us with love. If that was not so, we all would have been squashed before this. None of us is perfect.

I think the parable of the ten virgins and the Laodiceans being spewed out of His mouth show that not all believers will go in the first Rapture. All ten virgins had some oil of the Holy Spirit. The Laodiceans were in Christ or they could not be spewed out of his mouth. All believers will be gathered in Heaven by the time the Second Rapture takes place though.

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The day of our Lords return is very near. I found this sight by accident, or was it?

Thank You. You mission is a noble one. By the grace of God and the blood of Jesus I am saved. God bless you, Your Brother in Christ

My reply

Thanks. We all need to be sure all sins are confessed, all wrongs against us forgiven. We want to be as ready as we know how to get and stay that way the rest of the way in.

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Re: Just wanted to say Thanks!
I just wanted to drop a note to you to let you know your writing on the web do reach people. I have been stopping at your web site for a few months now, and I have been very impressed. When many people got angry when a predicted date past without the rapture taking place. You did not lose your faith. It was very inspiring to me. I see your faith in everything you write, and that encourages me to strengthen mine.

I have learned a lot from your website, not only about the rapture, but about God, faith and the Bible. You have opened my eyes in many ways. I am still confused on when the rapture will happen, but I am now realizing that I need to be ready, whenever it occurs. I have also realized I need to reach out to my family and others to let them know the time is at hand.

I am new to the Christian Faith, and I just wanted you to know that you have made a difference and taught me a lot of things. You and Your family are in my prayers.

My reply

Thanks for all your kind words. You are right. My faith cannot be shaken, no matter what. And we do need to get ready and stay ready for the Rapture. World conditions alone tell us that it can't be very long.

Since you are a rather new Christian, you may not yet have read all the Bible. Since I started four times before being able to stay at it, let me pass on what helped me. Don't start at the beginning. The begats, the laws, Israel's history are hard to wade through before you know much about Bible prophecy.

John wrote his gospel to prove that Christ was God. Now, that's a good starting place. Read on through Revelation. That gives you how to walk the Christian walk and also the first book on Bible prophecy. Revelation is an outline into which you can fit Old Testament prophecies to keep them in the proper order.

After that, start with Isaiah and read to John. After that, you will know the prophecies and when going back and reading Israel's history, you will find that they played out little dramatic skits to help us understand prophecy. At that point, that dry old history gets a whole lot more interesting.

When reading the Psalms, think of how they can tie in to prophecy too. There are some real gems there if you think beyond the words themselves. Psa. 40:1-3 even tells that many will see the Rapture and fear and trust in the Lord. I overlooked it for years and years, read it too fast without thinking of what the symbolism pointed to.

I appreciate your prayers in our behalf. Now that Ed can get himself up and down without my help, except when getting out of the car at a curb, I am praying that my back will heal.

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