Pro and Con 1751

Posted 9-30-13



> > I have always taken this to mean that in the vision, Ezekiel actually had a vision of God sitting on the Throne that appeared to be made out of a crystalline sapphire blue in color. In the sense of a typical 'vision' one would think the viewer was seeing something that wasn't actually there, but was seeing the image of a reality from elsewhere. If God wanted to display his Glory by being seen on a throne, would he really pick someplace on the surface of Saturn in the atmosphere there? Seems to me that if you want to be someplace nice, physically, you'd pick Earth which was created to house such physical life. There better places anywhere in our solar system??

Of course. I will try to tell you what I believe, and why.

Mat_6:19,20 says, "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 BUT LAY UP FOR YOURSELVES TREASURES IN HEAVEN, WHERE NEITHER MOTH NOR RUST DOTH CORRUPT, AND WHERE THIEVES DO NOT BREAK THROUGH NOR STEAL".

Besides that, we will be as if 33 years old again. Ed and I are old enough to appreciate that a lot. Ed was 87 when he died, and I'm now nearing 85. He looked great when he came to see me, and said he was 33. The Lord demonstrated his great power at that time, sending Ed in his celestial body to answer a few of my questions, the main one was "Can we be together forever?" He said, "Yes." I'm sure thankful for that. It keeps me going. What a reunion that will be.

Heb 11:13-16 says, "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire A BETTER COUNTRY, THAT IS, AN HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city".


Rev_3:12 says, "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and THE NAME OF THE CITY OF MY GOD, WHICH IS NEW JERUSALEM, WHICH COMETH DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN FROM MY GOD: and I will write upon him my new name."

Rev_21:2 says, "And I John saw THE HOLY CITY, NEW JERUSALEM, COMING DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

It sounds like we will be on Saturn, heaven, first, then on New Jerusalem.

Mat 24:31 says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

Php_1:23 says, "For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is FAR BETTER".

Joh 14:1-4 says, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that WHERE I AM, there ye may be also. 4 And WHITHER I GO YE KNOW (i.e., Saturn is the last naked-eye planet, and it was known in ancient times), and the way ye know."

Today, we certainly know the way. Our Cassini spacecraft is orbiting and photographing Saturn now.

"WHITHER I GO YE KNOW" means that Heaven is not some ethereal place that we know nothing about.

In a vision, Ezekiel saw the throne of one who was both "God" and "man" farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets.

Eze 1:1 says, "Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that THE HEAVENS WERE OPENED, AND I SAW VISIONS OF GOD."

The meaning of Sapphire from the Greek sappheiros is "blue". From the Hebrew sappir, it means "beautiful". From the Sanskrit, sanipriya, it means beloved of the planet Saturn, from sani, Saturn, and priya, dear or beloved. This picture shows what Ezekiel saw. He saw the Sun (the fire enfolding itself), the orbits of the four terrestrial planets, the Asteroid Belt, Jupiter and Saturn, which is marked by a rainbow-like halo.

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (i.e., expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (i.e., Saturn is our only amber planet, Jupiter has lots of red on it), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., the rings of Saturn). 28 As the appearance of the bow (i.e., rainbow) that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This (i.e., Saturn's ring system) was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Heaven has a halo. It is marked as no other planet is marked. It produces more heat that it gets from the Sun. It's day is about 10 hours. It's year is about 29.5 of our years. It's ring system is maintained by one of Saturn's moons, Enceladus. It has water fountains shooting up to furnish ice for Saturn's rings.

I don't know of any better place in our solar system. The Sun, Mercury and Venus are too hot. Venus is also too poisonous. Earth belongs to mankind. Mars was hit by a large asteroid that ruined it. The large black scar is evidence of that, and it seems to have lost most of its surface water.

Jupiter was hit by 21 asteroids referred to as a "String of Pearls," pieces of the comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 that broke up. The pieces started hitting Jupiter July 16, 1994, Sat. Av 8, 5754, and continued for 7 days. These were titanic collisions. Both Temples were set on fire on Av 9 and burned down on Av 10, so I consider this a big sign.

Satan's planet Rahab has been split into pieces. We now call it our Asteroid Belt.

Isa 51:9,10 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (i.e., Jesus, Isa 53:1, Isa 44:6); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, cut, or split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (i.e., Satan, Rev 12:9)? 10 Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep".

It looks like the Lord dried the sea on both Rahab and Mars. I believe that some of that water hit the Earth during the 40 days after the Lord shut the door on the Ark in Noah's day. The windows of heaven were opened, and all the mountains were covered with water. That took a tremendous amount of water.

Gen 7:10,11 says, "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

Heaven is not on the Earth. It is above the Earth, and rises in the eastern sky. Isa_66:1 says, "Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool". According to Josephus (Ant. III. VI. 7), the candlestick stood for (1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6 ) Jupiter, and (7) Saturn.


Rahab was split into pieces, so I believe the third heaven Paul was caught up to was Saturn: (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter, and (3) Saturn, which is Paradise.

2Co 12:2-4 says, "I (i.e., Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, and 3. Saturn). 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter".

Gen 7:19 says, "And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered."

> > Marilyn, generally the writers of scripture were not ignorant men. If they saw the actual Throne of God on a different planet in space, they'd likely have described it in terms that made it reasonably clear. To infer otherwise is to tie God to something more physical (i.e. more limiting) than is necessary. Why does God require a 'physical' throne to perch on? Why would God even require a planet to place His throne on? Seems to me, God could appear on a beautiful blue throne anyplace He wanted, including in the sky over my head.

Well, if that were so, he would be pretty isolated. There has to be room for many angels and saints.

Rev 5:8-11 says, "...saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands".

Of course, God could do whatever he wanted to do. He could also inspire men to write what he wanted them to write, and make plans for the future.

As I understand it, men wrote what the Lord inspired them to write. The whole plan is entirely His, and Ecc 1:9 says, "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be".

Job 8:8-10 says, "For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers: 9 (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow:) 10 Shall not they teach thee, and tell thee, and utter words out of their heart?"

2Ti_3:16 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

We need some of the information given in Eze 1 to understand Eze 10. Both speak of the four cherubim, terrestrial planets that face all four directions and orbit in all four directions without turning aside. Eze 10 also speaks of "coals of fire from between the cherubims".

Eze 10:1 says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament (expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims (i.e., the four terrestrial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars) there appeared over them (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) as it were a sapphire stone (i.e., Saturn), as the appearance of the likeness of a throne."

Since Earth is a planet, I believe that Heaven is a planet.

Sapphire means "blue" from the Greek and "dear to the planet Saturn" from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. The blue sapphire is Jesus' September birthstone, which means heaven. I believe that Heaven is Saturn.

Speaking of Mt. Sinai in Exo_24:10, we find, "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven (i.e., as if it were the heavenly body, Saturn) in his clearness."

To me, the sapphire stone under the feet of the God of Israel at Mt. Sinai represented Saturn. Mt. Sinai itself represented a large rock that man cannot touch in his earthly body.


Eze 10:2 says, "And he (i.e., Jesus, the man/God on the throne in Eze 1:1, 26-28) spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels (i.e., orbits), even under the cherub (i.e., Satan), and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims (i.e., from Satan's asteroid Wormwood that orbits between the terrestrial planets, Rev 8:11), and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight."

Eze 10:3: "Now the cherubims (i.e., the four terrestrial planets) stood on the right side (i.e., to the east) of the house (i.e., Temple), when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court."

Eze 10:4: "Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD'S glory."

Eze 10:5: "And the sound of the cherubims' wings (kanaph, wings or quarters) was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh."

Eze 10:6: "And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels (i.e., orbits), from between the cherubims (the four terrestrial planets); then he went in, and stood beside the wheels (i.e., orbits)."

Eze 10:7: "And one CHERUB stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims (i.e., terrestrial planets) unto the fire (i.e., representing Satan's asteroid Wormwood, Rev 8:11) that was between the cherubims (i.e., planets), and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it, and went out."

Eze 10:8: "And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's (Heb. adam's, meaning red clay) hand under their wings (kanaph, quarters)."

Eze 10:9: "And when I looked, behold the four wheels (i.e., orbits) by the cherubims (i.e., the terrestrial planets), one wheel (Heb. ophan, revolve, wheel, i.e., orbit) by one cherub, and another wheel (i.e., orbit) by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels (i.e., orbits) was as the colour of a beryl stone (i.e., clear)."

Eze 10:10: "And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel" (i.e., the terrestrial planets have concentric orbits).

Eze 10:11: "When they went, they went upon their four sides (i.e., orbiting in all four directions); they turned not (i.e., they orbited in a smooth circle) as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it (i.e., the four faces represented the four compass points, the lion represented east; the man represented south; the ox represented west, and the eagle represented north); they turned not (i.e., they orbited smoothly around the Sun) as they went."

Eze 10:12: "And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes (i.e., full orbs, globes) round about, even the wheels (i.e., orbits) that they four had."

Eze 10:13: "As for the wheels (i.e., orbits), it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel."

Eze 10:14 (KJV): "And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub (Eze 1:10 has ox, i.e., west), and the second face was the face of a man (i.e., south), and the third the face of a lion (i.e., east), and the fourth the face of an eagle (i.e., north)."

Clarence Larkin found out that the four faces in Eze 1:10 were on the flags placed at the compass points when Israel was camping around the Tabernacle.

Green's Interlinear has "cherub" in Eze 10:14. Eze 1:10 has "ox".

This may tie in with Eze 28:14: "Thou (i.e., Satan) art the anointed CHERUB that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (i.e., Saturn); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire" (on Rahab, now the Asteroid Belt).

Notice that all the planets are "stones", not gas. They look like lighted lamps in our sky at night. I believe that one of the stones of fire is Saturn.

Stone's Tanach note says of Eze. "10:1-2 Much of the vision here is similar to the Merkavah vision in Chapter 1 and is generally beyond human comprehension." Another note says, "10-14. The ox's face in the first vision (1-10) had been changed to a cherub's face. Ezekiel had entreated God not to have the ox remain as a constant reminder of the Golden Calf [see Exodus Ch. 32] (Chagigah 13b)."

I am doing my best to understand what Stone's translators could not understand. Here is Chagigah 13b.


"AGADAH: The Gemara discusses the four "faces" of the "chariot-bearing" angels. Originally (as described in Yechezkel 1), the angels had the faces of a man, lion, ox, and eagle. Yechezkel prayed for mercy on behalf of the Jewish people so that the face of the ox not incriminate them for the sin of the Egel ha'Zahav, and it was changed to the face of a Keruv (cherub). "We find that these four faces of the angels are represented elsewhere. When the Jewish people traveled in the desert, they encamped in formation according to their tribes. They formed a great square around the Mishkan, with three tribes on each of the four sides of the square. One of the tribes in each group was designated as the flag-bearer of the group. It was assigned a banner, or flag, under which the three tribes encamped. The four flag- bearing tribes were: Yehudah to the east, Reuven to the south, Efraim to the west, and Dan to the north.

"The Torah gives no indication as to the significance of this formation, nor as to what appeared on these flags. However, the IBN EZRA provides us with some fascinating information in this regard. The Ibn Ezra (Bamidbar 2:2) writes as follows: "There were figures depicted on each of the flags. Our sages tell us (Bamidbar Raba 2:10) that on the flag of Reuven was the figure of a person. This is to recall the incident wherein Reuven brought Duda'im -- a type of flower whose blossoms resemble the figure of a person -- from the field to his mother (Bereshis 30:14). (The word "Dudaim" is spelled with the same Hebrew letters as "Adam," or "person." Furthermore, the precious stone which represented Reuven on the Kohen Gadol's breastplate was "Odem," which is spelled exactly like "Adam" in Hebrew.)

"The flag of Yehudah had the figure of a lion on it, for Yehudah was compared to the lion in the blessings that his father gave him (Bereishis 49:9). (This, as well as what follows, appears to be the Ibn Ezra's own addendum to the Midrash.) The flag of Efraim had the image of an ox on it, based on the verse that compares Yosef, Efraim's father, to an ox. (Devarim 33:17; see also Bereishis 49:6. We may add that after the ox was changed to a Keruv, it still represented the tribe of Yosef. The Gemara says that the Keruv was a "small face of a man." Yosef is the child that was born to Rachel with the help of the Duda'im that Reuven found.) Dan's flag pictured an eagle. (The Ibn Ezra offers no explanation for the connection between Dan and an eagle. See, however Rashi to Shemos 19:4, DH Al, and Rashi to Bamidbar 10:25, DH Me'asef.) Thus, the four flags resembled the heavenly beings that serve Hashem which were seen by Yechezkel in his vision, which featured the images of a man, a lion, an ox, and an eagle."

"Thus, the Ibn Ezra teaches that the four flags of the Jewish camp bore the same four symbols as the celestial beings who bore the Divine Chariot. What is the significance behind this resemblance? The RAMBAN (ibid.) cites a Midrashic source for Ibn Ezra's words: "Just as Hashem created the four points of the compass, so did He surround His throne with the likenesses of four celestial beings, and so did He command Moshe to organize the camp of the Jewish people into four flag formations" (Bamidbar Rabah 2:10)."

Keep in mind that Eze 10:2 (KJV) says, "And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under THE CHERUB (i.e., Satan, Eze 28), and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims (i.e., terrestrial planets), and scatter them over the city."

Eze 10:7 says, "And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city."

Continuing in Eze 10, verse 15 says, "And the cherubims (i.e., terrestrial planets) were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar (i.e., in Eze 1)."

Eze 10:16: "And when the cherubims (i.e., terrestrial planets) went, the wheels (i.e., orbits) went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth (i.e, the 4th cherubim, Eze 1:15), the same wheels orbits) also turned not (i.e., they all orbit smoothly around the 4 directions) from beside them."

Eze 10:17: "When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit of the living creature was in them."

Eze 10:18: "Then the glory of the LORD departed from off the threshold of the house (i.e., Temple), and stood over the cherubims (i.e., farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets)."

Eze 10:19: "And the cherubims lifted up their wings (kanaph, quarters), and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD'S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above (i.e., Saturn is farther out in space than the terrestrial planets."

Eze 10:20: "This is the living creature (i.e., lively thing that flies) (i.e., Saturn) that I saw under the God of Israel (i.e., under the throne of the man/God Jesus Christ) by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims (i.e., planets)."

Eze 10:21: "Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings (kanaph, quarters, wings); and the likeness of the hands of a man (Heb. adam, red clay) was under their wings (quarters)."

Eze 10:22: "And the likeness of their faces (i.e., the four faces that represent the four directions) was the same faces which I saw by the river of Chebar (in Mesopotamia), their appearances and themselves: they went every one straight forward."

This is the astronomical symbol of Earth. It faces north, south, east and west. It has four faces (paniym, face, as the part that turns, from panah, to face, i.e., it FACES four directions) and has four wings (kanaph, wings or QUARTERS).

If the translators had known what Ezekiel's visions meant, they could have made them easier to understand. As it is, it took me over 7 years of study to figure them out, and even then, defeated, I had to ask tearfully for the Lord's help to be able to unravel it. None of the authors of the books from BIOLA that I read in those 7 years knew what Ezekiel's visions in chapters 1 and 10 meant. Most thought they were some kind of angels, which I knew was not true. I am totally convinced that neither cherubim nor seraphim are angels. To me, they are symbols of flying, orbiting planets.

According to Josephus, a Pharisee priest, the lampstand represented 7 planets (i.e., the naked-eye planets known to the ancients) including the Sun (Ant. III. VI. 7).

(1) Sun (this is why the western lamp was to always be kept burning), (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars (i.e., the 4 terrestrial planets), (6, Jupiter, (7) Saturn.

Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold ONE WHEEL UPON THE EARTH by the living creatures, with his (i.e., Earth's) four faces."

According to Strong's, the Hebrew ophan, translated "wheel," means "to revolve". What "REVOLVE" does Earth have? IT'S ORBIT.

Revolve: "to move in a circular or curving course or orbit: The earth revolves around the sun" (

Earth is not an angel, it is a flying globe, a terrestrial planet.

It orbits around the Sun at about 67,000 miles per hour. (

Eze 1:4-6 says, "And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud (i.e., the Asteroid Belt), and a fire infolding itself (the Sun), and a brightness (sunshine) was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. 5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures (chay, lively things, i.e., four flying things). And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man (Heb. adam, which means red clay, i.e., they are the four terrestrial planets). 6 And every one had four faces (paniym, face, as part that turns, i.e., they are globes, and face all four directions at the same time), and every one had four wings (kanaph, quarters)."


Rev_20:8 says, "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in THE FOUR QUARTERS OF THE EARTH, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle".

Jer_49:36 says, "And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from THE FOUR QUARTERS OF HEAVEN, and will scatter them toward all those winds".


Eze 28:12-19 says, "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus (meaning rock, i.e., Satan, who lives on the asteroid Wormwood, Rev 8:11), and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering (mesukkah, from sakak, to fence in) , the sardius (i.e., Mercury), topaz (Venus), and the diamond (Earth), the beryl (Mars), the onyx (Rahab), and the jasper (Jupiter), the SAPPHIRE (SATURN), the emerald (Uranus), and the carbuncle (Neptune), and gold (Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed CHERUB that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the HOLY MOUNTAIN OF GOD (SATURN); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire (i.e., on Rahab). 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God (i.e., Saturn): and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire (i.e., from Rahab). 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground (i.e., on Earth), I will lay thee before kings (i.e.,in hell), that they may behold thee. 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries (Rahab and Babylon) by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee (i.e., by the asteroid, Wormwood), it shall devour thee, and I WILL BRING THEE TO ASHES UPON THE EARTH in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."


Isa 22:16-18 says, "What hast thou here? (i.e., Babylon) and whom hast thou here (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (i.e., at Babylon), as he (i.e., Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood, Rev 8:11)? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down. Agape

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