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just thought I'd drop you a line and tell you how much I have enjoyed reading your web site and I don't mind saying I thought we were out of here also
your friend in Christ
may you continue to look up. I believe 21st of this month the next feast all sign's are pointed toward home!!!!!

My reply

Thanks. I hope for the 20th, but if not, I will be waiting patiently, no matter how long we have to wait. Everything the Lord has planned will come true right on schedule. He knows. That is all that is necessary. Not only is he omniscient, he is also omnipotent and can bring everything to pass right on schedule.

I had Yacov Rambsel's books, "Yeshua" and "His Name is Jesus" with me at the hospital. The long hours when they would not let me see Ed but 10 minutes every two hours and not at all between 5 and 9 PM, I spent reading, except mealtimes. These books are easy reading when your mind is not up to deep concentration. I wish everyone could read them.

"Yeshua" (Jesus) is encoded in the Hebrew of virtually all of the OT messianic passages. The many Bible Code words and phrases found in Isa. 52 and 53 are a surprise. I like "Yeshua is My Name" the best. The Messiah (HaMashiach), Nazarene, Galilee, Shiloh, cross, Passover, three Marys, Joseph, Caiaphas, Annas, Caesar, Herod, Pharisee, Peter, James, John, Andrew, Philip, Thomas, Matthew, James son of Alphaeus, Simon, Thaddaeus, Matthias, Salome and Joses (half-brother of Jesus) are also there. Other things too, like "lamp of the Lord" appear. It is amazing.

I'm looking up; don't worry.

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Re: Fall of Babylon
I wonder if Y2K could be the Fall of Babylon? The entire wealth of the world and economic system could come crashing down with the Y2K problem. Rev. 18:8 "Therefore her plagues will come in ONE day. (1/1/00) Any comment would be appreciated. Thank you.

My reply

No. The Y2K problem may be one of the things that catapults the world government into Babylon, but the destruction of the literal city on the Euphrates in one hour is an asteroid impact that opens "the bottomless pit" and forms "the lake of fire" (Rev. 20:14) at the end of the shortened Tribulation.

"And he (Satan, to whom the key of the bottomless pit had been given) opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit" (Rev. 9:2).

It is "A STONE like a great millstone" (Rev. 18:21), the "great star (aster; star, asteroid, meteorite) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" (Rev. 8:10). "Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come" (Rev. 18:10).

"For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance (I think it is Tishri 1, 5768, our Sept. 13, 2007), and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever" (Isa. 34:8-10).

"For the indignation of the LORD is upon ALL NATIONS, and his fury upon ALL THEIR ARMIES: he hath utterly destroyed them" (Isa. 34:2). He stops the united nations' army in Israel that day.

"Son of man, set thy face against Gog...And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee...And I will turn thee back...and many people with thee ("ALL NATIONS")....in the latter years (started in 1948) thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel...And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel ("a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" [the Mediterranean], Rev. 8:8); So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE at my presence (sight, as in Eze. 36:31, the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and the MOUNTAINS (two main pieces of the asteroid, Rev. 8:8,10) SHALL BE THROWN DOWN, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground...and I will be known in the EYES of many nations, and they shall know that I (Christ) am the LORD (YHVH)" (Ezek. 38:1-23).

"And seven months (Tishri 1, 5768 to Nisan 1, 5768, a leap year) shall the house of Israel be burying of them that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (the Second Advent on Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year), saith the Lord GOD" (Ezek. 39:12,13). It is the Regnal Year because Christ is King of kings, the Sacred Year because he is Lord of lords.

In "the first month, in the first day of the month...In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Christ) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them: and they shall know that I (Christ) am the LORD (YHVH)" (Ezek. 29:17,21).

"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).

Her reply, Re: Fall of Babylon

Dear Marilyn, Thank you so much for taking the time to answer me so completely. I'm truly humbled by your care and concern. I too am hoping for 9/20.... if not then, soon. Thank you dear Sister in Christ.

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Re: You wonderful woman
How could anyone express how much all the work you have done, has done for us all. For a young person like me, I'm 26, this would be something that isnt what we want to hear. But I cant get enough! This world is just plain not atractive to me anymore. I dont want to be here. I feel like I am just in a waiting period. And when its over, the real living and being will begin. What is our life span compaired to all eternity. That is forever. Its like your mind cant comprehend what that means. You could think of it this way, a million years plus a million years plus a million years... etc.... never stopping. To me you would think that most people would open their eyes and say Hey! What I do on this earth for 65 or 75 years could effect what happens for all eternity. But they dont. I dont understand. All the chances one has to take and they just pass it up.. I am guilty as everyone else. I didnt start REALLY living for God till I was older. All the wasted time. There is a song that I like, it has a verse in it that says "I meant to do that" but it was to late. When I listen to it I cant help but close my eyes and inwardly sigh. I pray to God everyday to forgive me for all the foolishness that I have done in my life. It saddens me to think about all the people out there that are not living right. People that are rude, hatefull , prejudice... what is wrong out there? Does Satan get that much joy out of hurting someone? I get where I dont even watch the news anymore because it just makes me want to cry. Then I get back to what I said before. I dont want to be here. I just want to get on with reall living. I want a job, something important that I can devote my every strength , every grain of love, into for God. I have read you say that maybe some get the jobs of the fallen angels. Sounds wonderful to me. But you know most of all I want to forget the things that make me sad and I want to be able to rest easy knowing my two kids will never go through the things that I did. To never know sin. I want to see God and Jesus. To see the angels. One couldnt hardly describe the overwellming emotions. I owe it all to God , so I want to be able to say I am sorry. How can I serve you? Its all that matters. Not how much money you have. Or who you know. Or what you wear. That doesnt matter. Love, peace, friendship, joy, and calmness is waiting for us who run the race to win. Its a reward that I dont want to miss out on. I am sencerily hopping for Sept. 20. It couldnt come at a better time. It feels like the world is falling apart. Sometimes all I can do is look up at the sky and beg Please come! Take us all away from the despare. Well I have rambled enough. I will let you get on to important things. I just wanted to tell you again, thank you. I love you. Your friend-future friend

My reply

Thank you, friend. In His love.

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In one of your most recent Pro/Cons you indicated it was possible to fall out of fellowship with the Lord even if one was saved.

This idea blasphemes the Spirit of God and it makes him a liar. Christ says " I shall never leave you nor forsake you". Once one has been "born again", it is impossible for God to cut off that person in any way. God is not like a man, whose relationships change from day to day. God is eternal and perfect spirit, and he never changes. To say our relationship with him can change is to say God changes, and that Marilyn is blasphemy.

To say we can fall out of fellowship with God is to make the relationship a function of our works, rather than the grace of God. This again is great blasphemy, but typical of the carnal mind.

I have been in Christ for four years and he has never, ever cut me off from his Spirit, no matter what things I think, do or say. To think I could affect the spiritual relationship through acts of the flesh is a carnal idea.

This is just another proof for me that you DO NOT KNOW Christ yet. Only a carnal mind could think God could or would ever love us with less than a perfect, eternal love that never changes. The God you worship is a liar and not worthy of worship, only scorn and derision. Regards

My reply

> you indicated it was possible to fall out
> of fellowship with the Lord even if one was saved...To say our relationship
> with him can change is to say God changes, and that Marilyn is blasphemy

God does not change. He cannot change. We are the ones that can change. You are confusing the sealing, which cannot be lost, with being in fellowship. Fellowship has conditions. Listen to John, and pay attention to the "IF"s: "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. IF we say that we have FELLOWSHIP with him, and walk in darkness, WE LIE, and do not the truth: But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have FELLOWSHIP one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. IF we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. IF we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us" (I John 1:5-10).

What does it mean, "IF we say that we have FELLOWSHIP with him, and walk in darkness, WE LIE"? It means that if we sin, we are not in fellowship with God. It has nothing to do with our salvation. That cannot be lost, but our sin erects a barrier between us and our Holy God. IF we confess our known sins, we are cleansed of all unrighteousness and then we have FELLOWSHIP with God.

When we first believe in Christ, all our past sins are forgiven. Christ baptizes us with his Holy Spirit, and we are filled. Yet, I Thess. 5:19 commands, "Quench not the Spirit." How can we quench the Spirit? by committing sin. This is walking in darkness, and if we walk in darkness, we are not in fellowship with God. The sealing of the Holy Spirit is retained, but we are not FULL of the Holy Spirit. We are as the foolish virgins whose lamps are sputtering for lack of enough oil of the Holy Spirit. Wise virgins are filled with the Holy Spirit. Eph. 5:18 says, "be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but BE FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT." If we are drunk with wine, or any of several other sins the chapter covers, we are not filled with the Spirit, we are quenching the Spirit. If we sin, what can we do to again be filled? confess our sins. IF we confess our sins, we are cleansed of all unrighteousness and then we are "FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT" and have FELLOWSHIP with God. The sin barrier is gone.

There are carnal Christians and there are spiritual Christians. Neither can lose their sealing. However, the former is not filled with the Spirit; the latter is filled. It is simple. Sin erects a sin barrier and quenches the Holy Spirit. Confessing that sin erases the sin barrier so we can again be filled with the Holy Spirit and have fellowship with God. The Spirit is as a fountain of living water welling up within us. "BE FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT" means that we have to DO something to "BE FILLED." It is not automatic except when we first believe. We have to either commit no sins and stay filled, or confess our sins to God so we can "BE FILLED."

Therefore, we are commanded, "grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you" (Eph. 4:30-32).
> The God you worship is a liar and
> not worthy of worship, only scorn and derision.

Sorry, but my God is the God of the Bible. He cannot lie, is worthy of all worship, and is never worthy of scorn and derision. He is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient and perfect love, but he is perfect justice too. We each will get exactly what we deserve. Our faith in Christ earns our Salvation. Our works afterward either earn us rewards on top of Salvation, or don't earn us any extra rewards. The choice is ours--gold, silver and precious stones, or wood, hay and stubble. You can be saved so as by fire if you like. Which will you choose? As for me, I am filled with God's love. I am sending treasures ahead to Heaven. That is where my heart is. It is not on worldly things.

God is love. If we are filled with his Holy Spirit, we are filled with his love. If we are not filled with his agape love, we are "become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal....And though I (Paul) give my body to be burned, and have not charity (agape, love), IT PROFITETH ME NOTHING" (I Cor. 13:1-3). Paul could not lose his Salvation, but he could get out of fellowship and fail to earn rewards. To earn rewards, we must have God's agape love. How do you get it?

As James 2:18 says, "shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works."

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Glad to hear that Ed is getting along well and may not need the portible oxygen. Hope you find an herbal remedy for your back.

I was reading Zechariah last night and saw this verse. I could not find the feast days that coincide with it. Do you know of which feast days it is speaking of, as this verse is prophetic...end times.

"Yahweh Sabaoth says this,"The fast of the fourth month, the fast of the fifth, the fast of the seventh and the fast of the tenth are to become glad, joyful, happy festivals for the House of Judah. So love truth and peace." The New Jerusalem Bible

Also wanted to say that I saw Sid Roth on the 700 Club on Friday (9/11/98). He was talking about his recent trip to Siberia to minister to the Jews there. He is a Messianic Jewish crusader....traveling the world to convert Jews, like himself, to Christ.

He said something disturbing. While he was doing the crusade, the military came in the meeting place, sat down, and then began to take pictures of the participants. He showed a brief clip from his video of the event. You could see the terror on the faces of the people there as the video camera scanned the room. They were trying to hide their faces from the army troops standing at the door.

Mr. Roth went on to speak of his concern that a Hitler type round up might be in the workings...as many Russians think the Jews are responsible for the economic colapse of the country. The Jews are going to be the scapegoat again. He and Pat Robinson asked that we pray for the Jews in Siberia....as scripture is about to be fulfilled there.

I could not find the scriptural reference he gave in Zechariah but I am still looking. Another interesting thing he said: Jesus' return to earth is not only for the christian believers but also to rescue His people by gathering them up from all over the world. Jesus is coming back to fight for Israel. Are the references in Zechariah 14 the scriptures to support that belief? It certainly makes sense to have the King of Kings fight the last battle for Israel...similar to Abraham fighting the kings for the return of his captive family members.

Let me know what you think. I think I have quoted Sid Roth accurately. If only half of what he says is happening in Russia, then we should be prayerful because the King of the North may be getting ready to go to war with Israel. Unlike the 1930-40's, when the Jews had no country of their own, this time there is a Nation of Israel to take action against another nation that kills its people. They will fight back. The Lord Sabaoth will fight for them. In Christ

My reply

Re: Zech 8:19. I think the fast of the fourth month is 17 Tamuz (the golden calf incident at Sinai and the breaching of the walls of Jerusalem in 70 AD). The fast of the fifth month is 9 Av (Tisha be - Av, the incident of the spies' report in the wilderness and the burning of both temples). The fast of the seventh month is the Fast of Gedaliah, 4 Tishri, when he was killed. (Of course the Fast of the Day of Atonement is on Tishri 10.) The fast of the tenth month, 10 Teveth, commemorates the day Nebuchadnezzar set himself against Jerusalem (Ezek. 24:1,2).

I am saddened to hear that news from Russia, but heard on the news that lots of Jews have applied for visas to leave Russia and go to Israel.

> Jesus' return to earth is not only for the christian believers but also to rescue His
> people by gathering them up from all over the world. Jesus is coming back to fight for
> Israel. Are the references in Zechariah 14 the scriptures to support that belief?

Jesus gathers both Jew and Gentile in the Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath Raptures. The latter is just before the Wrath of God falls on the army under Gog that is attacking Israel. The Lord will fight for Israel that day when they blow the alarm on the trumpets, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord.

However, that day is not the day of the Second Advent. It is the day of thick darkness (Joel 2:1-3), and the Second Advent is not on a dark day (Zech. 14:6). The Lord will fight with what is called the Sword of the Lord and the flaming sword set to the east of The Garden of Eden (Gen. 3:24). It is probably a binary asteroid, two pieces of which we see in Rev. 8:8,10. The mountain burning with fire impacts the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5; Ezek. 38:19-21) and stops the invading army. The burning star coming from heaven destroys Babylon on the Euphrates.

The Jews bury the dead the next seven months to cleanse the land for Jesus Christ's return in glory (Ezek. 39:12). Then on Nisan 1 (Ezek. 29:17,21), the first day of the Regnal Year and Sacred Year, Jesus Christ will return as King of kings and Lord of lords. This is when "his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives...and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west" (Zech. 14:4). All the remnant of the Israelites will then be returned to Israel.

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This year, Erev Rosh Hashana (Eve of Jewish New Year) is on 29 Elul 5758 (Sunday, 9/20/1998), and Rosh Hashana (Jewish New Year) is on 1-2 Tishri 5758 (Monday-Tuesday, 9/21-22/1998).

On July 24, as well as on July 21, I posted some information concerning the upcoming Rosh Hashana and Erev Rosh Hashana holidays.

The 6,000/7,000-Year-Time-of-Earth Theory is a very well established concept that has been presented by numerous scholars. Simply stated, it says that man has been given 6,000 years of dominion of this earth, and the L-ord will have dominion 1,000, for a total of 7,000 years, before eternity begins. Many people, including M. J. Agee and J. R. Church trace the expiration of the 6,000 years to 1998.

But what about tracing it to the day? Jewish and other sources hold that Erev Rosh Hashana or Rosh Hashana just may be the anniversary day. Why? These dates are purportedly the dates of Adam's creation, Eve's subsequent creation, the date of the sinful fall and expulsion from the Garden of Eden, Jesus' birthday, and numerous other events. If Adam's creation/expulsion date started the calendar ticking, then wouldn't it run until the last day? Eve, fashioned from Adam's rib, is a type of the Bride of Christ; she is listed as having Rosh Hashana as her birth date. Avi Ben Mordichai traces Jesus' birthday to Rosh Hashana 4,000 A.H.; M.J. Agee agrees, but arrives at a different answer. If all of these things are so, it seems that G-d is keeping time not only to the year, but also to the day. And why not? He who is able to number the hairs on each of our heads can surely measure time more precisely than our best atomic clocks!

Note that Enoch, when he was "translated" as a type of the rapture, was 365 years old. I've always wondered about that. 365 days is the normal length of our year. The 365th day of the year is the last day of the year. Rosh Hashana starts the new civil year.

Erev Rosh Hashana falls on a Sunday this year (rare event), and perhaps mirrors the Apostle John's L-rd's Day "come up hither" that several students believe prefigures that of the church....Watch for his coming!

My reply

Just to clarify my position, I think that Jesus was born on the Jewish Tishri 1 in our BC 5 and was visited by the wise men in BC 3, the 4000th year since Adam was cast out of Eden in BC 4004/3. Herod had the young boys "from two years old and under" (Mt. 2:16) killed in Bethlehem. Herod would have died before the lunar eclipse of Jan. 10, BCE 1 (Julian), our Jan. 8, BC 1.

> Enoch, when he was "translated" as a type of the rapture, was
> 365 years old. I've always wondered about that. 365 days is the normal
> length of our year. The 365th day of the year is the last day of the year.

Enoch's 365 years could turn out to be a clue to the last day of the 6000th year, Elul 29, 5758, the Eve of the Feast of Trumpets (Erev Rosh HaShanah). That is the last day before the time of the "former rain," Tishri 1, begins. Song of Solomon 2:11 says, "For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone." That would no longer be true as Tishri 1 rolls in at 6:00 PM Sept. 20, 1998. If the Rapture is not on the Eve of Trumpets, I will expect to have to wait until the following Pentecost, after the winter and the "latter rain" of Nisan is over and gone. If the passage in Song of Solomon applies to the Rapture, the time slot runs from Iyar 1 to Elul 29 (spring/summer), when it does not normally rain in Israel.

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Re: Beyond the Jordan!
When Elijah was "raptured", he had crossed the Jordan with Elisha, and this followed the miracle of dividing the Jordan River.  He was taken up in the sight of Elisha, and then Elisha performed the same miracle on the way back across the Jordan.

  I think there may be a rapture connectio to the Jordan River symbolism, because when Lazarus was raised from the dead, Jesus was beyond the Jordan or on the East side of the Jordan River, exactly the location of Elijah earlier.  But when He heard of the death of Lazarus, He abode there 2 DAYS longer and then came and raised Lazarus (the bride) from the dead.

  There may be other symbology to support the rapture on the east of Jordan.  Elijah also went through 3 cities or locals before his rapture (|Bethel, Jericho and Jordan), and I wonder what the meaning of the original Hebrew is for these three localities.  It could be signifcant.   Anyway, I think the Jordan also may symbolize the head waters for the cleansing of the Dead Sea, after Jesus sets foot on the MOunt of Olives.  This river may play an important role in the future during the millenium reign of Christ and HIs church. Love in Jesus.

My reply

Bethel means "house of God." Jericho means "his moon/month" or "his sweet smell." Jordan means "the river of judgment," "he that shows or rejects judgment" or "descent."

Crossing the Jordan represents going into the promised land, which for us is Heaven. Two days could represent the two 1000-year days of this age, which without any extension would normally run from the Jewish 3758 (our BC 4/3) through 5758 (our 1997/98 AD).

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hello could you e mail me and tell me about the rapture and how i will kow if i am going or what i must do to know i am a christian but i want to know better when it is thatthe rapture will happen and how i can go to asuringly i geuss is what i am saying i want to be prepared this is not a joke

My reply

To be certain that I was a Christian, I prayed and told Christ that I accepted him as my Savior. (I also asked him what he wanted me to do as part of the Body of Christ.)

Romans 10:9,10 is clear: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

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just a quick question. When did the year of Jubilee start and when does it end? Thanks

My reply

The Jubilee was announced on the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, and began the following Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Sacred Year. If it is counted from Nisan 1, 5708 (in our 1948), I think that it would begin Nisan 1, 5758 (our Mar. 28, 1998) and end as Nisan 1 (March 18, 1999) begins at 6:00 PM on our 17th.

The Jubilee cycle is a 49-year cycle. The 50th year is the first of the new cycle. Thus the Jubilee Years kept pace with the Sabbatic Years.

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